Excellent video! You stirred a hornet's nest. The funniest thing is no one but you can actually hear the units. We just hear your recording on your video equipment as it is futher filtered though youtube. Half of us or more have earphones watching on our mobile devises which makes any listening experience pretty washed out compared to even mediocre home hi-fi set ups. To listeners like myself, the difference between tables with essentially the same stylus and cartridge and both with decent wow and flutter will be minimal. I respect the people who can discern the difference and know there are certainly those who can but frankly I can't hear $595 worth of difference. The rega is a nice piece of gear. The fact you have to take the platter off to change speed versuses the aiwa's full auto everything shows even though there is 30 years between them, they were designed for widely different end users. The Rega's tone arm alone is high art. I enjoy the disparate vintage v. modern comparisons. This one should encourage new entrants with hope of having a reasonable decent vintage unit to play without selling an organ. Cheers!
Haha great comment and thank you very much for the kind words. It is impossible indeed to tell those small differences after the youtube compression, plus most people watch these videos on their phones, so yeah there's that. Bottom line, as you also pointed out, is that the 5€ turntable can reproduce highly enjoyable music so everyone can jump into this beautiful hobby just with a few bucks. Cheers!
Excellent vid, as usual ! I've noticed that you have a Beyerdynamic DT 770 pro, which is nice. These are very good studio headphones. I own the 80ohm version and i really love it !
Thank you Chris! It's always great to see you here man. And yes, those Beyerdynamic are absolutely fantastic. I have the 250Ohm version that I use for my video editing and critical listening. It's a family owned company founded here in Berlin which makes me want to support them even more. Take care and see you around!
@@soundelegy5987 You're welcome, i'm here for the great content ! I didn't know about Beyer, this is nice indeed. Hope you are well in Berlin, see you soon !
A very interesting video thank you for sharing. Unfortunately I am only using UA-cam with headphones so I can’t tell them apart. Having had the Rega Planner 3 I am aware of its quality. If anyone is looking for a budget used turntable I would personally recommend the Dual CS505. I picked the mk3 audiophile version up for £140 from eBay. Very easy for my teenage sons to use and it sounds very good. Best bang for your buck out there.
I saw already a video with the technics full automatic sold through out the 80´s and sold with a diferent box with the same system inside also using the T4P system also sold by grundig and pioneer and a lot of other brands, mostly in early 80´s. When they compared a very beaten technics turntable sold new under 100€ (direct convertion) with a Pro-Ject bought at 6 monthes by one of the man in the test when reading first the specifications they noticed that were very close in both manuals, but when playing records and getting all measures they noticed that the technics with a lot of use for the last 35 years was still having by 0,001 diference in several specifications and when measuring the 6 month Pro-ject(800€) was far from the speed it should had and all specifications were far from what was written in the manual ,they even bought a new one and it was also far from origynal specifications and the new measures while the beaten down technics that they bought cheap on ebay was almost as new and correct specifications as described and when putting a record on, now with AT stylus for the nagaoka developed cartridges or fabricated, the sound was much better and it was a full automatic technics no weight or anti-skating to correct but from factory and still working very close to new, i think that says all about new expensive turntables but only by hearing them i couldn´t belive how bad they sounded and using you´re hands to change the speed on the belt seems to me snake oil as we have in our hands a protective cover to our skin but handluing a belt it will be dirty it at first change of speed. When you refer red neck technology i went to my 12 years old when we repaired cars that my father gave to me, i had a fiat sport abarth with 40h.p. but fully equiped and because it was litle and red ,in highschool they called it the litle ferrari but age of drivers permit it´s only at 18 years old and because to avoid police in the city that it was close to none, i use to drive fast with 4 kids in the car ,including me ,the fast as a 40 h.p car can be in a dirt road we used to brake the chassi in half and correct it with gardening screw safeties for tightening hoses for watering with wooden round tubes using those metal screw to tight garden hoses and later with that working perfect when i was already 14 ,i trade it with a dirt bike only with 125cc´s.but professional one ,he colect old sportive fiats my fathers bank coleague and explain and showed him how it was under the car, to what he replied ,it´s better this way. where i live there is a lot of agriculture and men after a day of work first are going to a cofe shop ,kind of 19 th century style to drink a beer or a cup of wine ,all have red necks, as the first source of income in my region is agriculture , till the 80´s most of the people were using compact systems still with saphire needles and 8-track or cassette recorder, i had the luck of being from two big agricultural families ,the reason why i have old but good sound systems, since late 50´s valve amplifiers or tubes and speakers that looked more like traditional clothes closets with only 70 to 80watts with woofers of 60 to 80 cm´s of diameter and horn tweeters, my first tannoy speakers if i took the woofer i could seat inside confortably and couldn´t be moved by two men only
i have to add that audio technica in the 70´s was considered by some the best brand in turntable cartridges, stylus, arms etc. ,my technics SP-10 as a AT tonearm that was considered the best in the late 70´s it´s mc cartridge was also said to be one of the best, recentelly i´ve had dificulties to buy a new one that sounded good as the previous, not exactelly the same but bought a ortofon quintect black s and for a pioneer PLC-590 a AT-art 9 ,much cheaper and close to the ortofon who cost me a lot, that also had a diferent tonearm but from AT also i remenber seeing several SME arms but wasn´t a much diference from a technics titanium arm S-shaped and the geometry in SME was a lot of work compared to AT tonearms
For sure. AT had top notch carts and tone arms. Excellent headphones overall as well. I'm happy they're having a comeback in the market. I have many friends using their new turntables nowadays. They are affordable and they sound really good for the price. In between Pro-Ject, the new Rega P1 and AT LP timetables, I think there hasn't been a better time for entry level setups. Maybe Japan during the 80s can only rival it. Thanks for sharing ✌🏻
Measuring crosstalk doesn't necessarily say something about azimuth, it's also related to the precision at which a cartridge is made. Cartridges inherently have some crosstalk and it's different for every individual cartridge, every cartridge is unique in that aspect. At least the Rega Carbon is a rebrand of that Audio Technica AT3600L so they're basically the same type. If you were to test different cartridges, this test wouldn't work at all. Instead, you should do an optical inspection: Put the stylus on a mirror and inspect it with a magnifying glass ( or preferably a microscope) to see if the reflection of the tip is perpendicular to the tip. You might also want to look for a tonearm that has an SME connector; those allow the use of headshells that have azimuth adjustment. Those headshells with TopQ type of azimuth adjustment, like those by Jelco, Nagaoka, Tonar and LP Gear are good ones.
I disagree. But hey, don't take my word for it, I quote Michael Fremer the Editor of Analoge Planet: "Clearly we want the playback stylus to reproduce the groove modulations produced by the cutting stylus but if the stylus isn't perfectly aligned to vertical, the left channel modulation might affect the right channel and vice-versa. That unwanted modulation is called "crosstalk." That's when the right channel modulation modulated the left channel and vice-versa. In the real world, there is always some crosstalk but minimizing it maximizes channel separation and maximizing channel separation maximizes soundstage width and soundstage symmetry. So we want the stylus to sit perfectly centered in the groove. Were the stylus perfectly aligned with the cantilever, cantilever perpendicularity to the record surface would guaranty minimum crosstalk and correct setting of azimuth. But as we described in our discussion of SRA, styli are rarely set correctly in the cantilever in terms of SRA and that's also true with azimuth. Usually the stylus is canted slightly to one side or the other, thus, cantilever perpendicularity to the record surface is no guaranty of correct azimuth setting. Also, what are the odds that the coil assembly will be perfectly aligned and symmetrically placed between the 45/45 angle of the record grooves? Not great. And for cartridges where the motor is a complete assembly that's affixed within a separate body, what are the odds of that being symmetrical? Not great! And that's why it is virtually impossible to correctly set azimuth by eye or with a mirror or with a balancing beam." Plus, if this particular test methodology only works for this comparison, the results are still valid.
i hear vynil because there is no better option and cds came later when i already had thousands of records so i bought a lot of titles that i already had in compact disc but the sound was horrible and missing parts of the instruments soud, so vinyl is still the best source allthough i have already thousands of cds
Haha I remember the first CDs as well, the mastering and mixing processes were so bad that vinyls had an edge for a couple years. Luckily my brothers and I understood quite fast that CDs were meant to die very fast because what's the point of saving your music in zeros and ones (binary code) in an external disc when you can save it directly on your HDD? New generations of external data storage would mean an even faster death of the format. And so came DVDs, Mini Discs, Blue Rays, etc. I think we had a maximum of 50 CDs before returning to vinyl once again. Thanks for sharing ✌🏻
@@soundelegy5987 i in the first years till 93 ,had only 7 cds ,mainly because i went to Lisbon, Portugal to see concerts , and at the time this was a country still getting out of a dictatorship and records that were never released in Portugal because they were subversive to the minds of young men ,one when entering the stores had all organised by the name of the bands than you could look at all albuns from each band and buy whatever you wanted and cd´s that were better built ,i know i have 7 titles from those days ,were doble the price of a record (vinyl) and even thinking of buying this or that cd one would find another album that one really wanted and ended up buying two records instead of one cd ,in the 90´s in 93 the stores all closed and when opening again two weeks later only a few LP´s in the basement and all full of cds ,so the main reason why i bought morecds in 93 but when going to madrid,Spain they had all new albums in cd and also in vinyl ,so only in my country Portugal lp´s weren´t available and one started to notice that cds had not the same quality as records because ,thinking i would have a better sound but that was a wish of something better and in the 90´s cds were made of a cheaper material but in Portugal ,where i live and was born the cds become cheaper but if you ordered from the U.S. or U.K. or Germany they would be less expensive ,paying transport and also being tired of having a old system allthough today is still much better than most i hear in hi-fi stores or demonstrations i was tired of looking all my life to older stuff and i payed a lot of money for ES system from Sony ,well the next years after selling all boughta entire nakamuichi system because i was told they were the best ,not even a year later i sold everything again and having good hi-fi systems from Pioneer, i bought all pioneer minus the speakers that had already bought some new series of cerwin-vegas the most expensive model they had also some mission Argonaut mkII (200watts)and 96 DB /sensivety, and with a mix of second hand and new i had again a urushi pioneer complete system. being happy with the purchase i was in Lisbon for the weekend in a friends house that was renting the extra rooms of his house to 3 otherguys who instantelly become my friends ,they tell me thatin open air fair they were selling records ,very cheap and by what today is 20 cents.all labels were selling all albums from every band and also independent labels , i had taken a old merecdes to Lisbon a 71 350SE ,it is a huge car i filled it twice only leaving space to myself to drive, did this twice and at the third time i had to bring back my other 3 friends who also had bought albums fromm bands they didn´t like but because all were studying arts ,they bought the better looking covers ,and i don´t remenber how many but were thousands of titles, i even bought a new thorens turntable and i had already 7 good turntables, so cds were loosing the fight and bought many with great sound or never had heard the vinyl version, then CD-R appeared and i spent on a big pioneer recorder almost what today is 1.000€ and recording at standart speed but after all this years the older recorded cds i have still play perfec t and the quality was exactelly the same of the original but limited at 3 copy´s from each original cds ,.some that fell and were 20 years behind a piece of furniture ,all yellow and missing bit´s of the material where the music is recorded sound perfect ,the same can´t say abnout the cd-roms i had in early 2000´s but that´s when they started to have a quality very near the original some think there are no diferencies and recorded at 52X the strandart speed, now i started to record again cassettes because in 2017 i had a pioneer top end model deck the CT-93 and changed his belts and had boxes of tdk cassettes only sa-x and some SA and AR ,AD, AD-x as i always prefered type I cassettes because of the reels that have much better sound and mainly ferric tapes ,and more faithfull to the original sound,again earlier in time a friend who worked in a big surface warehouse phoned me and tells me "they are going to incinerate all cassettes they still have also minidiscs ,that i also brought some boxes of TDK and all were black ,again 400kms in the old mercedes and fit the most i could of boxes filled with cassettes and some of minidisc too maybe 2.000 only and i wanted to give some money to this friend to what he replyed "no, i don´t want money ,later you´ll pay me a beer", now i already recorded 120 cassettes and have restored 17 of my 58 cassette decks,this because my father died recentelly and all that was his related with music came to me my sister and brother didn´t want nothing of that garbage they told me and i have a huge colection of hi-fi components and music in all known formats and maybe 3 or 4 8-track cartridges that my father kept because it was what he hear with my mother when happy with her, in reality i have now maybe 5.000 cds and my father´s cds that he had good taste, so maybe he had around 10.000 cds and 20.000 records and also reels
Very well edited and scripted. However, this video has many flaws. The whole point of Regas design is low mass, so I dont see how its a con for the competitor, both will have vibration issues most likely. I hope you put a new stylus on the Aiwa, regardless, its the same cart as the Carbon, just with different names. The recommended spec varies from 2 - 3.5 depending on where you look. Technically, the channel crosstalk test does not measure Azimuth, that can only be set visually. You are aligning the generators perpendicularly, not the stylus, and this can just be a luck of the draw depending on your specific cart, not necessarily the turntable. The difference you hear in listening tests are also likely due to the built in pre amp more than anything.
Thank you Leon! Okey you made some good points, let's break them down. I see the Aiwa's low mass (1/3 of Regas) as a con because, as shown in the video, pressing the stop, play and tonearm lift buttons, make the deck shake considerably and the stylus jumps in between grooves which might damage your vinyls, so definitely a con. I've also read that the Rega Carbon is pretty much identical to the AT91. In the end I went for 2.5g which I thought gave the best sonic experience. But still, the initial 3.7g were a bit too much. About Azimuth, that's a very long subject with many different opinions across the board. Some people use a 300 Euros tool called Fozgometer, others just visualise the waves on an Oscilloscope but I've found that the crosstalk method gave me great results. Here's an article that uses the same theory. I've also check forums online of people using this method with good results too. www.analogmagik.com/azimuth And about the sound difference between both turntables, yes indeed. The built in preamp probably plays the biggest part in sound quality. But how is this a flaw?
@@soundelegy5987 The stiffness of the build is one thing sure, but the weight is not necessarily a con. Or if it is any tables heavier than the Regas, which are most, would be considered better. The Fozgometer is basically the same as the test LP, you measure the crosstalk and balance it. This balances the generators performance in channel separation, but that impacts the stylus in no way, it could be crooked 30 degrees. This is almost a non existent issue with a conical stylus however, which is what is on these carts. So basically the crosstalk is the relation between the generators and the cantilever movement. How the stylus sits in the groove is separate, but is the actual Azimuth. Of course, these may or may not be very close, but that is a guessing game. Well, the video attempts to compare the tables, but if you play one table with 5 dollar earbuds and another with 10K speakers you will like the latter no matter how much worse the table itself is, an extreme of course, but I have no idea what Pre Amp is in the Aiwa so I have no idea how much of a discrepancy is there. If they both used the same pre amp it would be totally fair.
If other turntables are heavier than the Rega has nothing to do with the Aiwa being so light that when pressing the stop button the stylus jumps, which might damage a vinyl. That for me is a clear con. We can happily disagree on that one :) As for Azimuth, the amount of unwanted modulations that beleed into each channel of course is not the perpendicularity of the stylus but for many people online, including me, it does give good results when doing a cartridge alignment. And as in the Aiwa you can't align the cartridge, I thought that visually showing the crosstalk was at least a good option. About the preamp, that's the nature of both turntables. One has a built in preamp and the other one doesn't. If someone wants to buy the Aiwa for such a price, I can't show them the results using an expensive phono stage. I wanted to show people what they'll actually get if they decide to buy one. Thank you very much for your input. I appreciate it.
Best video so far. Top notch.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Excellent video! You stirred a hornet's nest. The funniest thing is no one but you can actually hear the units. We just hear your recording on your video equipment as it is futher filtered though youtube. Half of us or more have earphones watching on our mobile devises which makes any listening experience pretty washed out compared to even mediocre home hi-fi set ups. To listeners like myself, the difference between tables with essentially the same stylus and cartridge and both with decent wow and flutter will be minimal. I respect the people who can discern the difference and know there are certainly those who can but frankly I can't hear $595 worth of difference. The rega is a nice piece of gear. The fact you have to take the platter off to change speed versuses the aiwa's full auto everything shows even though there is 30 years between them, they were designed for widely different end users. The Rega's tone arm alone is high art. I enjoy the disparate vintage v. modern comparisons. This one should encourage new entrants with hope of having a reasonable decent vintage unit to play without selling an organ. Cheers!
Haha great comment and thank you very much for the kind words. It is impossible indeed to tell those small differences after the youtube compression, plus most people watch these videos on their phones, so yeah there's that. Bottom line, as you also pointed out, is that the 5€ turntable can reproduce highly enjoyable music so everyone can jump into this beautiful hobby just with a few bucks. Cheers!
Excellent vid, as usual ! I've noticed that you have a Beyerdynamic DT 770 pro, which is nice. These are very good studio headphones. I own the 80ohm version and i really love it !
Thank you Chris! It's always great to see you here man. And yes, those Beyerdynamic are absolutely fantastic. I have the 250Ohm version that I use for my video editing and critical listening. It's a family owned company founded here in Berlin which makes me want to support them even more. Take care and see you around!
@@soundelegy5987 You're welcome, i'm here for the great content ! I didn't know about Beyer, this is nice indeed. Hope you are well in Berlin, see you soon !
please keep making videos
A very interesting video thank you for sharing. Unfortunately I am only using UA-cam with headphones so I can’t tell them apart. Having had the Rega Planner 3 I am aware of its quality. If anyone is looking for a budget used turntable I would personally recommend the Dual CS505. I picked the mk3 audiophile version up for £140 from eBay. Very easy for my teenage sons to use and it sounds very good. Best bang for your buck out there.
Great content!
this is beautiful, keep it up!
Thank you 🙏🏻
I saw already a video with the technics full automatic sold through out the 80´s and sold with a diferent box with the same system inside also using the T4P system also sold by grundig and pioneer and a lot of other brands, mostly in early 80´s. When they compared a very beaten technics turntable sold new under 100€ (direct convertion) with a Pro-Ject bought at 6 monthes by one of the man in the test when reading first the specifications they noticed that were very close in both manuals, but when playing records and getting all measures they noticed that the technics with a lot of use for the last 35 years was still having by 0,001 diference in several specifications and when measuring the 6 month Pro-ject(800€) was far from the speed it should had and all specifications were far from what was written in the manual ,they even bought a new one and it was also far from origynal specifications and the new measures while the beaten down technics that they bought cheap on ebay was almost as new and correct specifications as described and when putting a record on, now with AT stylus for the nagaoka developed cartridges or fabricated, the sound was much better and it was a full automatic technics no weight or anti-skating to correct but from factory and still working very close to new, i think that says all about new expensive turntables but only by hearing them i couldn´t belive how bad they sounded and using you´re hands to change the speed on the belt seems to me snake oil as we have in our hands a protective cover to our skin but handluing a belt it will be dirty it at first change of speed. When you refer red neck technology i went to my 12 years old when we repaired cars that my father gave to me, i had a fiat sport abarth with 40h.p. but fully equiped and because it was litle and red ,in highschool they called it the litle ferrari but age of drivers permit it´s only at 18 years old and because to avoid police in the city that it was close to none, i use to drive fast with 4 kids in the car ,including me ,the fast as a 40 h.p car can be in a dirt road we used to brake the chassi in half and correct it with gardening screw safeties for tightening hoses for watering with wooden round tubes using those metal screw to tight garden hoses and later with that working perfect when i was already 14 ,i trade it with a dirt bike only with 125cc´s.but professional one ,he colect old sportive fiats my fathers bank coleague and explain and showed him how it was under the car, to what he replied ,it´s better this way. where i live there is a lot of agriculture and men after a day of work first are going to a cofe shop ,kind of 19 th century style to drink a beer or a cup of wine ,all have red necks, as the first source of income in my region is agriculture , till the 80´s most of the people were using compact systems still with saphire needles and 8-track or cassette recorder, i had the luck of being from two big agricultural families ,the reason why i have old but good sound systems, since late 50´s valve amplifiers or tubes and speakers that looked more like traditional clothes closets with only 70 to 80watts with woofers of 60 to 80 cm´s of diameter and horn tweeters, my first tannoy speakers if i took the woofer i could seat inside confortably and couldn´t be moved by two men only
i have to add that audio technica in the 70´s was considered by some the best brand in turntable cartridges, stylus, arms etc. ,my technics SP-10 as a AT tonearm that was considered the best in the late 70´s it´s mc cartridge was also said to be one of the best, recentelly i´ve had dificulties to buy a new one that sounded good as the previous, not exactelly the same but bought a ortofon quintect black s and for a pioneer PLC-590 a AT-art 9 ,much cheaper and close to the ortofon who cost me a lot, that also had a diferent tonearm but from AT also i remenber seeing several SME arms but wasn´t a much diference from a technics titanium arm S-shaped and the geometry in SME was a lot of work compared to AT tonearms
For sure. AT had top notch carts and tone arms. Excellent headphones overall as well. I'm happy they're having a comeback in the market. I have many friends using their new turntables nowadays. They are affordable and they sound really good for the price. In between Pro-Ject, the new Rega P1 and AT LP timetables, I think there hasn't been a better time for entry level setups. Maybe Japan during the 80s can only rival it. Thanks for sharing ✌🏻
Great video man, sub hope for more content
Thank you mate, I appreciate it! New video is cooking 🥘
The Aiwa probably has weight similar to the top of the range Rega 10.
I love the 80's japanese aesthetics
Measuring crosstalk doesn't necessarily say something about azimuth, it's also related to the precision at which a cartridge is made.
Cartridges inherently have some crosstalk and it's different for every individual cartridge, every cartridge is unique in that aspect.
At least the Rega Carbon is a rebrand of that Audio Technica AT3600L so they're basically the same type.
If you were to test different cartridges, this test wouldn't work at all.
Instead, you should do an optical inspection:
Put the stylus on a mirror and inspect it with a magnifying glass ( or preferably a microscope) to see if the reflection of the tip is perpendicular to the tip.
You might also want to look for a tonearm that has an SME connector; those allow the use of headshells that have azimuth adjustment.
Those headshells with TopQ type of azimuth adjustment, like those by Jelco, Nagaoka, Tonar and LP Gear are good ones.
I disagree. But hey, don't take my word for it, I quote Michael Fremer the Editor of Analoge Planet:
"Clearly we want the playback stylus to reproduce the groove modulations produced by the cutting stylus but if the stylus isn't perfectly aligned to vertical, the left channel modulation might affect the right channel and vice-versa. That unwanted modulation is called "crosstalk." That's when the right channel modulation modulated the left channel and vice-versa.
In the real world, there is always some crosstalk but minimizing it maximizes channel separation and maximizing channel separation maximizes soundstage width and soundstage symmetry. So we want the stylus to sit perfectly centered in the groove. Were the stylus perfectly aligned with the cantilever, cantilever perpendicularity to the record surface would guaranty minimum crosstalk and correct setting of azimuth.
But as we described in our discussion of SRA, styli are rarely set correctly in the cantilever in terms of SRA and that's also true with azimuth. Usually the stylus is canted slightly to one side or the other, thus, cantilever perpendicularity to the record surface is no guaranty of correct azimuth setting.
Also, what are the odds that the coil assembly will be perfectly aligned and symmetrically placed between the 45/45 angle of the record grooves? Not great. And for cartridges where the motor is a complete assembly that's affixed within a separate body, what are the odds of that being symmetrical? Not great!
And that's why it is virtually impossible to correctly set azimuth by eye or with a mirror or with a balancing beam."
Plus, if this particular test methodology only works for this comparison, the results are still valid.
i hear vynil because there is no better option and cds came later when i already had thousands of records so i bought a lot of titles that i already had in compact disc but the sound was horrible and missing parts of the instruments soud, so vinyl is still the best source allthough i have already thousands of cds
Haha I remember the first CDs as well, the mastering and mixing processes were so bad that vinyls had an edge for a couple years. Luckily my brothers and I understood quite fast that CDs were meant to die very fast because what's the point of saving your music in zeros and ones (binary code) in an external disc when you can save it directly on your HDD? New generations of external data storage would mean an even faster death of the format. And so came DVDs, Mini Discs, Blue Rays, etc. I think we had a maximum of 50 CDs before returning to vinyl once again. Thanks for sharing ✌🏻
@@soundelegy5987 i in the first years till 93 ,had only 7 cds ,mainly because i went to Lisbon, Portugal to see concerts , and at the time this was a country still getting out of a dictatorship and records that were never released in Portugal because they were subversive to the minds of young men ,one when entering the stores had all organised by the name of the bands than you could look at all albuns from each band and buy whatever you wanted and cd´s that were better built ,i know i have 7 titles from those days ,were doble the price of a record (vinyl) and even thinking of buying this or that cd one would find another album that one really wanted and ended up buying two records instead of one cd ,in the 90´s in 93 the stores all closed and when opening again two weeks later only a few LP´s in the basement and all full of cds ,so the main reason why i bought morecds in 93 but when going to madrid,Spain they had all new albums in cd and also in vinyl ,so only in my country Portugal lp´s weren´t available and one started to notice that cds had not the same quality as records because ,thinking i would have a better sound but that was a wish of something better and in the 90´s cds were made of a cheaper material but in Portugal ,where i live and was born the cds become cheaper but if you ordered from the U.S. or U.K. or Germany they would be less expensive ,paying transport and also being tired of having a old system allthough today is still much better than most i hear in hi-fi stores or demonstrations i was tired of looking all my life to older stuff and i payed a lot of money for ES system from Sony ,well the next years after selling all boughta entire nakamuichi system because i was told they were the best ,not even a year later i sold everything again and having good hi-fi systems from Pioneer, i bought all pioneer minus the speakers that had already bought some new series of cerwin-vegas the most expensive model they had also some mission Argonaut mkII (200watts)and 96 DB /sensivety, and with a mix of second hand and new i had again a urushi pioneer complete system. being happy with the purchase i was in Lisbon for the weekend in a friends house that was renting the extra rooms of his house to 3 otherguys who instantelly become my friends ,they tell me thatin open air fair they were selling records ,very cheap and by what today is 20 cents.all labels were selling all albums from every band and also independent labels , i had taken a old merecdes to Lisbon a 71 350SE ,it is a huge car i filled it twice only leaving space to myself to drive, did this twice and at the third time i had to bring back my other 3 friends who also had bought albums fromm bands they didn´t like but because all were studying arts ,they bought the better looking covers ,and i don´t remenber how many but were thousands of titles, i even bought a new thorens turntable and i had already 7 good turntables, so cds were loosing the fight and bought many with great sound or never had heard the vinyl version, then CD-R appeared and i spent on a big pioneer recorder almost what today is 1.000€ and recording at standart speed but after all this years the older recorded cds i have still play perfec t and the quality was exactelly the same of the original but limited at 3 copy´s from each original cds ,.some that fell and were 20 years behind a piece of furniture ,all yellow and missing bit´s of the material where the music is recorded sound perfect ,the same can´t say abnout the cd-roms i had in early 2000´s but that´s when they started to have a quality very near the original some think there are no diferencies and recorded at 52X the strandart speed, now i started to record again cassettes because in 2017 i had a pioneer top end model deck the CT-93 and changed his belts and had boxes of tdk cassettes only sa-x and some SA and AR ,AD, AD-x as i always prefered type I cassettes because of the reels that have much better sound and mainly ferric tapes ,and more faithfull to the original sound,again earlier in time a friend who worked in a big surface warehouse phoned me and tells me "they are going to incinerate all cassettes they still have also minidiscs ,that i also brought some boxes of TDK and all were black ,again 400kms in the old mercedes and fit the most i could of boxes filled with cassettes and some of minidisc too maybe 2.000 only and i wanted to give some money to this friend to what he replyed "no, i don´t want money ,later you´ll pay me a beer", now i already recorded 120 cassettes and have restored 17 of my 58 cassette decks,this because my father died recentelly and all that was his related with music came to me my sister and brother didn´t want nothing of that garbage they told me and i have a huge colection of hi-fi components and music in all known formats and maybe 3 or 4 8-track cartridges that my father kept because it was what he hear with my mother when happy with her, in reality i have now maybe 5.000 cds and my father´s cds that he had good taste, so maybe he had around 10.000 cds and 20.000 records and also reels
Very well edited and scripted. However, this video has many flaws.
The whole point of Regas design is low mass, so I dont see how its a con for the competitor, both will have vibration issues most likely.
I hope you put a new stylus on the Aiwa, regardless, its the same cart as the Carbon, just with different names. The recommended spec varies from 2 - 3.5 depending on where you look.
Technically, the channel crosstalk test does not measure Azimuth, that can only be set visually. You are aligning the generators perpendicularly, not the stylus, and this can just be a luck of the draw depending on your specific cart, not necessarily the turntable.
The difference you hear in listening tests are also likely due to the built in pre amp more than anything.
Thank you Leon! Okey you made some good points, let's break them down.
I see the Aiwa's low mass (1/3 of Regas) as a con because, as shown in the video, pressing the stop, play and tonearm lift buttons, make the deck shake considerably and the stylus jumps in between grooves which might damage your vinyls, so definitely a con.
I've also read that the Rega Carbon is pretty much identical to the AT91. In the end I went for 2.5g which I thought gave the best sonic experience. But still, the initial 3.7g were a bit too much.
About Azimuth, that's a very long subject with many different opinions across the board. Some people use a 300 Euros tool called Fozgometer, others just visualise the waves on an Oscilloscope but I've found that the crosstalk method gave me great results. Here's an article that uses the same theory. I've also check forums online of people using this method with good results too. www.analogmagik.com/azimuth
And about the sound difference between both turntables, yes indeed. The built in preamp probably plays the biggest part in sound quality. But how is this a flaw?
@@soundelegy5987 The stiffness of the build is one thing sure, but the weight is not necessarily a con. Or if it is any tables heavier than the Regas, which are most, would be considered better.
The Fozgometer is basically the same as the test LP, you measure the crosstalk and balance it. This balances the generators performance in channel separation, but that impacts the stylus in no way, it could be crooked 30 degrees. This is almost a non existent issue with a conical stylus however, which is what is on these carts.
So basically the crosstalk is the relation between the generators and the cantilever movement. How the stylus sits in the groove is separate, but is the actual Azimuth. Of course, these may or may not be very close, but that is a guessing game.
Well, the video attempts to compare the tables, but if you play one table with 5 dollar earbuds and another with 10K speakers you will like the latter no matter how much worse the table itself is, an extreme of course, but I have no idea what Pre Amp is in the Aiwa so I have no idea how much of a discrepancy is there. If they both used the same pre amp it would be totally fair.
If other turntables are heavier than the Rega has nothing to do with the Aiwa being so light that when pressing the stop button the stylus jumps, which might damage a vinyl. That for me is a clear con. We can happily disagree on that one :)
As for Azimuth, the amount of unwanted modulations that beleed into each channel of course is not the perpendicularity of the stylus but for many people online, including me, it does give good results when doing a cartridge alignment. And as in the Aiwa you can't align the cartridge, I thought that visually showing the crosstalk was at least a good option.
About the preamp, that's the nature of both turntables. One has a built in preamp and the other one doesn't. If someone wants to buy the Aiwa for such a price, I can't show them the results using an expensive phono stage. I wanted to show people what they'll actually get if they decide to buy one.
Thank you very much for your input. I appreciate it.