HYPERCAR vs GT500 At LE MANS
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Can the fastest GT car in the world beat a Hypercar on home groud?
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GT500 cars are so underrated, Super GT as a series deserves a lot more attention internationally to be honest
Yeah, only problem is the Time Zones, I want to watch it but I don't want to wake up at 4 am
Perhaps if there was English broadcasting
@@toro4271The main problem is definitely the series not catering to an international audience. They mainly race at Japan.
@TEITO869 That to but its a national race series, like DTM is to Germany, BTCC is to UK, V8 Supercar Australia, Nascar USA, and so on
@@TEITO869 They had plans to expand in Asia but covid happened so they had to postpone those plans. Recently there was an announcement that they will race at Sepang next year.
I think GT500 is the perfect example of how OP a racecar can be if they have their own custom tires tailored for the car instead of just one-make spec tires like the hypercars.
The amount of grip they get around fast corners because of the tires + the downforce is unreal.
Reminds me of the heydays of Ferrari and Bridgestone. Rumors say that Bridgestone's tires back then were basically tailor made for the Scuderia, even though there are other teams who shod their cars with the Japanese rubber.
@@TwentyNinerRlike the one in 1999?
It's amazing that a GT500 car despite costing 2 million dollars less and has no hybrid system manages to almost lap at a identical time than a Le Mans Hypercar, just proves how much of a monster GT500 cars are on the track
To be fair, LM cars have restrictions on how much power they can create. They can't dump all of their hybrid energy all at once, plus the BOP (Balance of Performance) comes into play too, which can either limit how much torque is allowed and/or use of ballasts. If LM cars didn't have those restrictions, they would leave the GT500 car in the dust.
But in a way, you are kinda making a good point. Even without the hybrid systems, the GT500 car can easily surpass the LMP2s.
@@GabsARVCan? Or already surpass? The GT500 has been if not on par, faster than the LMP2s for a while now.
True, but you gotta take into account the fact that the new regulations which came with the category's name changing to LMH made the cars slower than they were under the former LMP regulations. Modern LMP1 Cars were significantly faster than current LMH1. The Porsche 919 even in its unmodified version wouldn't have given the GT500 Z much of a chance.
Though with that said, you're right, it's definitely impressive how what is essentially a heavily modified production car can give a run for its money to a race-designed from scratch prototype. What's even more impressive is the GT500 seems to outperform the LMH into the corners, with a downforce that looks closer to that a formula car than an endurance one. Le Mans has a lot of straight line sections which were the portions where the LMH outpaced the GT500. I'm curious to see how much closer it'd have gotten on a more balanced track like Spa-Francorchamps.
@@GabsARV Super GT is famous for having the most balanced BoP
@@GabsARV And also Super GT has a open tyre war as well
Wow that was incredibly close......I say bring gt500 to LeMans like they brought the Nascar Garage56.........They would definitely challenge for the win and I would bet the gt500 cars would be trimmed out for top speed so they would probably be faster than the lap in this video......great video!!!!
Well said they'd definitely add some top speed
I'd love to see it too! Only question is have is would the long term reliability of the car be there, which is point of the race anyway. But I just wonder what kinda power they'd give up to gain the necessary reliably to finish. Definitely an interesting idea I wanna see play out!
I don't think it'll compete for the win because there's also fuel economy to consider, which has no effect on a single lap but huge over an endurance race. The LMH carries an expensive and heavy hybrid system for fuel economy purposes because the ICE can easily meet the power limit. So even if the GT500 can match lap times, it'll most certainly use more fuel doing so.
@@Alan-ww8vi That's already the case for LMH as non-manufacturer teams are allowed to do without some restrictions the manufacturer teams are imposed, like the use of the hybrid system. Haven't seen what it looks like in terms of perf diff on the track tho.
Yeah, it would be nice but I think the regulations say that cars in the experimental entry can't compete for overall win, meaning even if they finished first, it wouldn't be a win.
Le Mans winner and GT500 champion Ryo Hirakawa once said in an interview, "Hypercars are faster in terms of top speed in straight lines, but GT500 are faster in terms of cornering speed because of the tire development competition," and he was right.
I really want to drive a GT500 at Le Mans someday.
Which tyres are they running??
@@josecalvo9730 most of them run Bridgestone, 1 on Yokohama and 1 on Dunlop
@@donglaomotorsports699 thanks!
@@josecalvo9730there are 3 different manufacturers competing with each other in Super GT's "tyre war" being Bridgestone, Dunlop, & Yokohama.
Michelin used to participate as well, but they dropped GT500 this year and now only supply BMW Studie in GT300.
To be fair, this "war" is pretty one sided because Bridgestone is the clear tyre choice.
@@josecalvo9730 there are 3 different tyre providers in GT500 & GT300 which are Bridgestone, Dunlop, & Yokohama (technically 4 if we count Michelin since they're only entering GT300.)
How many people know that the name GT500 comes from the fact that the original regulations were around 500 horsepower?
GT500 is a truly monster on the corners
C-WEST RAZO SILVIA and Opel Calibra DTM also a monster on the corners.
@@purwantiallan5089 GRAN TURISMO 😂
This really is more merit of the GT500 car than demerit of the Hypercar. Hypercars, despite what people like to think, aren't really that slow, they're about on pace with 2013 or so LMP1 cars, so they're pretty damn rapid, it's just that GT500 cars are ridiculously fast. Unlike most racing series that have seen various rule changes to slow them down, GT500 has been keeping getting faster and faster, in the 2000's they were around as fast as GT1 cars, if a bit faster, and they've just kept getting faster and faster.
It doesnt help that the GT500s resemble the road cars more starkly while almost giving the same performance..
@@MainMite06 Well, yes, but they're entirely silhouette cars that have little to nothing to do with an actual road car. The Valkyrie LMH will be more road car than a GT500 car ever will be.
En 2013 on allait déjà bien vite qu'une hypercar mdr renseigne toi.
@@MainMite06 Les GT5 n'on qu'un ecarrosserie en polysestère lol. Elel est en 3 parties et n'est en aucun cas une voiture de route. C'est une LMP carrosser comme les anciennes DTM.
SuperGT & the old DTM class are what should be the top class at Le Mans, racing in those series are incredible
100%
LMP3 cars as well.
This is what DTM should be if they never chickened out to GT3
What could ITC/DTM do when both Audi and Mercedes pulled out from their sport in the turn of the decade?
Could they just run as BMW vs Aston Martin?
@@MainMite06 They already ran as Mercedes vs Audi for years after Opel pulled out after the 2005 season. It wouldn’t have been anything new.
LeMans cars used to weigh 750Kg. Then they made them 900Kg. Now they are 1030Kg? That's why both of them are so close.
Yeah they weigh as much as my Clio now lol
Not only that, but nerfs to downforce and power. The current LMH are essentially the old LMP2s, which is a bit sad.
@@Alan-ww8vi While the classes work a bit differently, in terms of pace you probably have a point.
But that stuff always happens. For instance, 2000's GT1 was like early GT1, which was essentially late 90's GT2, since GT1 got so fast so quickly. Then they introduced 2000's GT2 which was like early GT2 I suppose but turned into GTE when GT1 got scrapped. Towards the end of GTE they once again were as fast as late 00's GT1. Now they're replaced by GT3 which in their inception were slower than contemporary GT2 but now have probably become faster than the old GT2 cars.
So what I'm saying is I'll expect hypercars to become faster and possibly break into two classes in the next few years. If entrants suffice, you could run hypercar unrestricted and keep lmdh as is, like a lmp2 style class
Power also from hybrid system (only at 198 kmh/123 mph)
@@real765rp8 GT3 has gotten several orders of magnitude faster around corners than they were in 2014-2017. The current GT3's would likely beat the 00-10 GT1/GTS cars at most tracks. Late 90's Group GT2 would be identical to 00's GT1/GTS but with substantially more primitive aero and tyres. GT3 cars have become insanely complicated and assisted machines from their starting point. The 2009 cars are analog fossils by comparison.
I once have an idea of endurance/sports car racing in my dream, which will be formed by the following catalogues:
-Hypercar/LMP1/Group C cars, renamed as GTP like the IMSA;
-Class 1 Touring Cars(DTM/Super GT500), renamed as GTS;
-GT1 cars;
-GTE/GT3 cars with 2-door coupes only (i.e. those GT3 cars that satisfied the original defination of "Grand Touring Cars").
Maybe added the Daytona Prototypes too.
I was thinking of calling the Class One cars GTX, or Grand Touring Extreme.
Make the IMSA GT Series a thing again, with GTP being the top class, GTX the second class with Class One-spec cars, such as Super GT and DTM, and the GTO class will be GT3 homologated cars.
ナスカーみたいにスーパーGTも参加して欲しい…
ガレージ56でGT500車両に参加してもらいたいですね！
To be fair, Le Mans Hypercars and their Le Mans Daytona H counterparts really are designed for the 24 hours of Le Mans, which naturally means a much greater emphasis on staying power, as opposed to overall track performance.
GT500 deserves a place in Garage 56 one day.
No. They need their own garages in the pitlane.
Agreed, but, there'd have to be more than just 3 manufacturers.@@satvikkrishna7332
@@satvikkrishna7332 in an ideal world yes. But I bet Japanese economy can only manage a G56 entry at best.
@@satvikkrishna7332it could be possible in 2025 or 2026 24hrs of LeMans.
I didn't realize the hypercars were sluggish like this. 🤔
I think it's more that the GT500 cars are much faster than they were ten years ago.
Hypercars are slower than the old LMP2 cars because of BOP and weight
I wouldn't really say that since they pretty much have the same pace as early LMP1 which i really won't describe as slow at all.
As good as LMP1 was, it's a class too expensive for its own good and Hypercar's regulation is a far more attractive proposition for manufacturers to join Endurance Racing than LMP1 will ever be.
In this case, Faster =/= Better
@@AbrahamArthemiusexactly old LMP1 was as expensive as F1 to compete in, with less than half the coverage and benefits of F1 lol it was a total loss for manufacturers that weren’t winning
Didnt know GT500 had that much more downforce
You'll be surprised when you look at GT500 cars up close. There are a lot of aero bits splattered across the car and they're usually hidden by their colorful liveries. Dive planes, giant wings, big diffusers, etc.
@@AbrahamArthemius and this is after they reduced the total downforce. 4-5 years ago they had even more downforce. And they produce all that downforce while pretending to look like souped up road cars.
The tires also play a massive part. SGT has several competing tire manufacturers, while WEC only has one standard tire that all teams use.
@@izzdin6228 yeah, not to mention the tyres in Super GT (both GT500 & GT300) have a softer compound than those used in WEC.
Because of that GT300 which has homebred GTA-GT300 race cars & your typical GT3 cars in it were able to go as fast if not faster than a GTE as well.
I liked! How about in the next video you recreate "Monzanapolis" with current F1 and Indy cars? :)
Should’ve done a race at Fuji which is a mutual track both cars race at🙌🏽
He already done that, look in his channel!
Ahora con super gt viejos como el nsx takata de 2006 o el honda hsv, los super gt mas viejos lucen brutales.
Now I prefer GT500
GT500は箱車最速のコーナリングマシン
GT500 should mean silhouette touring 500
Nah. That's just a class itself for the series. The 500 has lost its meaning since this was meant to be 500PS (495BHP).
Still they keep the same geometery of the chassis and the outline of the production car. At least a bit closer to production version than those who just simply bolted a production bodywork on a spaceframe or monocoque chassis.
Super siluete 650 just doesn't sound as nice
I always dreamed about Class 1 cars becomeing second fastest class after LMP1 in the WEC sadly such a crossover did never happen
Next Garage 56: Super GT.
The GT500 would finish 15 seconds ahead I fear
@@THEWINDTUNNELI still want to see it
Super GT Cars is underrated called the machine monster
Imagine if nissan built an lmh or lmdh car and used the engine from their gt500 race car. That will be cool.
Imagine if the hypercars had tires tailor made for them
I've had this idea for a while now but technically if you built an old gt500 nsx or something to hypercar spec it would be hella fun to watch it race.
Memories of gran turismo 😊
this, at spa, would be a totally different game
Imagine if we got: ANEST IWATA RC F GT300 vs Pennzoil Zexel R34GTR 2001 vs GR010 Hybrid at Circuit de la Sarthe...
Before the Hypercar regs were announced I was really hoping that WEC would adopt these Class 1 regulations
Gt500 is almost as fast as gt2 series though so not surprised
Imagine a world where the GT category in Le Mans had the power of GT500 and the Hyper Car/LMP1 had the power of the Porsche 919 EVO.
Well that gt500 is just like tuner faster in the corners and the hypercar a exotic faster in the straights
Well.... A tuner set to Time Attack..... Because most of them are just set to 1000 hp and call it a day
What the f are you talking about? Grow up, it's not fcking NFS, they are both racing cars.
Request!! All winning le mans prototypes from 1990-2024 on le mans circuit
GT500 vs LMP2 would be interesting imo. LMP2 can generate quite a decent amount of downforce, maybe just as much as GT500, but also exceed 300 kph by a little bit.
GT500 cars would still win easily
Impressively close, but not quite there.
Can you start putting the engine information for each car in the videos please
I think the Japan's Super GT being the only series that consistently maintains the silhoutte class (or in this case, GT500).
interesting comparison, although the hypercar is slower than it should be on straights: the 499p reached 350km/h on the Mulsanne straight last year
Wow! That's close!
これやっぱりタイヤによるところが大きい気がする
GT500がWECのコントロールタイヤ（MICHELINにせよGOOD YEARにせよ）履いたらどうなるのか、どれくらいパフォーマンスに差が出るのか見てみたい。
at also Fuji speedway, lap time of GT500 is almost same to hyper cars.
The GT Association has inquired about participating from Garage 56, but it has been rejected by the ACO.
Really? Is there any statement/news?
@@THEWINDTUNNEL It's true. I am Japanese, and I watch SGT's broadcasts as well. They mentioned it in a broadcast some time ago. I'm not sure if there is a news article about it, but if I find one, I'll contact you here again.
By the way, it's a well-known story among Japanese motorsport fans.
@@茹でた孫Maybe the ACO (the organisers of the Le Mans 24 hours) don't want to be humiliated that a Japanese GT car could beat the Le Mans Hypercars for overall victory
During Le Mans week, it's a topic that comes up every year on the Japanese broadcast, so it's a well-known story in Japan.
Now go race them in fuji or suzuka!
There’s an older video of a GT500 NSX vs Toyota hypercar racing in Fuji, the NSX won
@@fishii8237 can you give link!
Do Hypercars vs 2013 LMP1
国際的になろうとGTAは努力したのにそれをDTMが潰した。もっと流行れるはずだった。
DTMもGT3のみとなって面白くないって言っているらしい
Heard recent gt500(class1 gen) cars are faster than lmp2... so the result, close to lmh, is kinda predictable
Mind you that this is what DTM was, the same set of regulations. They could have raced together with DTM.
@@Dakkyun They actually did have a joint race a few years ago called DTM x Super GT Dream Race.
The difference between DTM & Super GT is that Super GT has the support not just from both big manufacturers but also from dealers & tuning shops as well. The lack of support from manufacturers in DTM just killed it completely.
@@AbrahamArthemius And also Super GT has a tyre war between different tyre makers whereas DTM used to use the same Hankook tyres
@@AdamTheMan1993 Yup. When GT500 came to Germany they were actually struggling because the Hankooks are such "shit" tyres compared to their usual tailor-made ones in Japan. When it was DTM's turn to come to Japan, GT500 were able to finally show their strength
@@AbrahamArthemius i meant as a series not just a dream race.
GT500 is capable of doing turns so quick due to their low weight.
ClassOne Cars have a min weight of 986kgs. (Idk why the graphic showed 1030kgs at the beginning tho) That low weight aids for extremely reactive turn in and overall cornering speed.
And also each GT500 car use special tyre war spec compounds unlike WEC Hypercars that use the same spec Michelin tyres
Every car in this channel has a 70-80kg driver included
Hyper cars are only 4WD when their hybrid system is active
Yeah, only over 190 km/h
Hypercar vs SRO GT2 at Le Mans! That battle will be legendary!
SRO GT2’s will not stand a chance.
Yeah the GT2 is nowhere near as fast. LMP2, LMP3, GTE & GT3 are faster than GT2 and they are all considerably slower than a Hypercar
@@gbalao8885 Have you seen the straightaway speeds of a GT2?
@@FlashoftheBlades That doesn’t mean anything if it can’t corner quick enough to keep up. GT2 has GT3-style power but in a GT4-style aerodynamics package.
@@gbalao8885 Nevertheless…uninterrupted Mulsanne, GT2 will have that HINO (Hypercar In Name Only) choking on both their exhaust fumes.
Can you imagine tuned purchasable car beating prototype? Now you can.
honestly, the degree of "tuned" on a GT500 car could be not anywhere less than a Daytona Prototype compared to the "purchasable car" they based on.
Tbh Calling an GT500 car as a “tuned road car” is like calling maglev trains as “modified trains”
These things are basically sports prototype with a vaguely road car looking shell slapped on it
I miss DTM so so much 😭😭😭😭
GT500 is fast, but the straight line speed of the prototype was too much here.
Away we go at Le mans and the GT500 takes the lead!
Through the dunlop chicane
the hypercar is trying to catch on the straight but the GT500 is still fast to keep it away the second time? Yes it did! They both side by side now Hypercar leads
Gt500 has more speed in corner but Hypercar has a better horsepower
Hypercar takes the flag of this session
I wonder SGT is more popular.
HyperCar 278
GT500 301
HyperCar opens gap…
🤷🏻♂️
I didn't realize GT500 cars had that much downforce. I think a lot of people don't give Japanese motorsports the credit they deserve.
They're as fast as pre-GT3 DTM.
@@KikuraKunSuper GT and DTM tried to unify their rule sets to both reduce costs and allow manufacturers to enter either series with only minor changes. Then 2020 happened, and DTM couldn't sustain operating costs anyway, hence the switch to GT3s. They did manage a single exhibition event at (I think) Fiji, which was cool.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 Am I the only to think DTM could do better with the series by having more private works create their own race car? GTA from Super GT provide their own cars to the team who have no budget to build one, while others create their own for uniqueness to the series, and then there's GT3.
This would mean more variety and excitement. You have low weight, low powered car versus big GT3s. Only then we would see the DTM vs Super GT Dream Race again.
@@KikuraKun I remember when DTM and SuperGT finally raced each other at Fuji
Gt500 cars are impressive
Only proves they're making F1 cars and LM prototypes too heavy.
gt500 vs gt1car pls
Gt500 wins that easily.
What engine does a GT500 race car have
@@aloniabasmerom8868 2 litre 4 cylinder turbo producing 650 horsepower
Can you add some of the Korean Superrace series classes? They have a few like Alpine, Prius PHEV, Super 6000 and used to have GT1 and some other cool classes
Hypercars are just the DPi class cars for the WEC. The Hypercar class are on spec in terms of performance with the LMP1s of 2011. Anything after 2012 with LMP1 HY would smoke a Hypercar. The compromise of performance is factor of the costs… 😢😢😢. The GT500 if it carried less drag would beat it as well.
So like... that's why the 2023 Ferrari pole lap would be good enough for pole in 2012, 2nd in 2013 and even 5th in 2014, ahead of the Audis, right? Because it's so slow. They're really not that slow.
No, they aren't. LMH cars are fully custom but have BOP, LMDh are spec chassis and have BOP. They're slower because they have performance limitations to keep costs down.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks So we both agree 👍🏾
@@Starfire_Storm There performance is a whole decade behind
Prendre un jeu complètement irréaliste et surtout avec des mods non officiel c'est ridicule et non crédible. De plus les temps affiché sont clairement faux mais bon nous ne dirons rien.
Pour information les GT500 on le même problème que les DTM classe one avant qu'elles soit remplacer par les GT3, ces autos on tellement d'aero qu'en ligne droite au maximum ça prend 260 sans le DRS et 280 avec (et encore avec du mal).
1: This game is very realistic and so are the top mods (which are always unofficial, that's why they are mods), we literally use real life data to make every video in this channel, I guarantee it's as close a representation you as can have.
2 Here's some real-life data, GT500s going over 300 km/h at Fuji (without DRS or push-to-pass) You are telling me they wouldn't be able to reach 305 km/h at a longer straight with a Le Mans setup? (lower downforce setup than Fuji obviously) www.motorsport.com/supergt/news/nissan-fuji-top-speed-analysis/10464454/#:~:text=The%20%2324%20Kondo%20Racing%20machine,in%20the%20FCY%20practice%20session.
Is this more credible now?
Here's Kubica going over 290 km/h in a DTM car by the way; ua-cam.com/video/CBbBrBLvZ94/v-deo.htmlsi=8SdakKS_qoVo6pXv
GT500マシン速すぎない？w
Goes to show you how slow the rules made the hypercars. They're too heavy and not enough power.
And also GT500 have loads of grip from their special tyre war spec compounds from Bridgestone, Yokohama and Dunlop whereas all WEC Hypercars use the same control spec Michelin tyres
Is the gt500 tje fastest tourism car?
So none of these are fully acurate to the real cars.. they look the same as real but the physics vs real are no where close. Setups. weather track (scale) do it in real life and we will get real data. Sims are close but not accurate.
At Fuji last year Super GT GT500 cars lapped at almost identical times as FIA WEC Hypercars including the factory Toyota and Ferrari
Why was the video reuploaded
😮
This gt500 mod is broken... it has it's own gravity field!! It has nothing to do with reality. It should be behind a LMP2 and not much faster than the Garage 56 nascar. Yet this is around 10s faster than it should per lap.
You’re crazy thinking it would lap around the nascar time.
telling others you've never watched super gt without saying it. i mean how difficult is it to check the lap time of fuji speedway where both gt500 and wec prototypes run? or are u just being plain ignorant
Man, just compare 2023 WEC laptimes at Fuji with 2023 SuperGT laptimes at the very same track. Thank me later for discovering the biggest sleepers in racing 🙃
菅生ならgt500勝てるかね
フェラーリ499P最高速もっと伸びるぞ？
Yes
Woah, I really didn't know GT500 cars were so much faster than GT3s!!
They race against GT3s in Super GT. Just check how easy they lap them
SUPER GT FOR GARAGE 56 PLS 🥹
I worked as a mechanic in Japan a few years ago with them, I'm sorry to say that this mod is false. The GT500s have less cornering than an LMP2... It is true that they are the fastest touring cars but the performance of this mod is totally false.
Actually last year at Fuji GT500 cars were lapping at almost identical lap times as the Le Mans Hypercars then again GT500 cars have a open tyre war between Bridgestone, Yokohama and Dunlop whereas WEC Hypercars use the same spec Michelin tyres
First, that's very cool, for which team did you work?
Second, I'm afraid you are wrong, currently GT500 cars are faster at the only track they share, Fuji, which has bit of everything. Just check last years laptimes from both series. The GT500 cars are even faster than the Hypercars (with the GT500s being faster at the bends while the Hypercars have better top speed, that's why it was faster here). A few years ago, they were closer but right now a GT500 car obliterates an LMP2 car everywhere.
ネットの世界は嘘を拡散しやすいですね、このチャンネルには沢山の日本人視聴者が居ます、しかも彼らはレーシングマシンを贔屓目で評価しません。
Que sobrevalorados estan los hypercars
In terms of speed they aren't that special, but people rate them for the amount of manufacturers and competition, not their performance
Wowww im early