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  • @KillShot227
    @KillShot227 День тому

    I just did this with my old sony powered subwoofer. Wow big difference!!! Very simple mod that took about 10 minutes. Ran the wire right to line level input.

  • @bcheo890
    @bcheo890 17 годин тому

    Hey man this is awesome! Routing the wires through a terminal cup is simple and looks better just a thought

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  16 годин тому

      @@bcheo890 for sure it would. Good suggestion. This was just step one to get it working and tested for me though. I’ve since removed the Samsung sub entirely and moved the amp to a smaller 3D printed enclosure. Added a Y splitter after the line level converter and now running two of these subs in opposite sides of the room. The bass is unreal. It’s surprising the soundbar can hold its own alongside them honestly, but it does well.

  • @JazukaiX
    @JazukaiX 6 місяців тому +4

    I already have to worry about the neighbours with what I get from the Q990 sub, but it's cool to know I can do this if I wanted to. Do the usual volume controls still apply?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  6 місяців тому +2

      Yeah the volume level for the soundbar will adjust the subwoofer output/volume as well. There’s also an additional gain knob on the back of the sub to set the relative output (0-11). I typically keep mine at 3-4. Above that and it feels too loud compared to the rest of the system.

  • @arikononen4022
    @arikononen4022 6 місяців тому +5

    Hi! I have Q990d and klipsch rp1400sw, Do you know if Samsung amp cuts low lows like it does for regular sub or does it play down to klipsch lower limit at about 15hz like AVR ?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  6 місяців тому +3

      It doesn’t filter out any lower hz signal to the bigger Klipsch sub.
      It can hit those lower thresholds for sure with the new sub.

    • @arikononen4022
      @arikononen4022 5 місяців тому +2

      @@thejuice33 Hi I have now tested it with my rp1400 for couple of days and it definately rolls out lowest lows but gives a lot more grunt to upper low bass. I will do measurements next week to confirm. I used to have flat response down to 13hz with AVR and this with samsung sounds like its rolling off at 22hz because samsung amp signal is heavily filtered for safe operation st high volumes. Not a critical issue though. Still shakes the sofa.

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  5 місяців тому +2

      @@arikononen4022 interesting. I’m not sure I noticed exactly what you’re talking about, but I did feel like the bass was a little too noticeable at higher hz levels (140hz+).
      I reduced my crossover just slightly and stopped sending those higher ranges to the Klipsch Sub which smoothed it out well for me. I assumed it to be because there’s no bass from my mid (soundbar) and once it hits a specific hz range the 14” sub suddenly kicks in and is too much at the higher ranges. Traditional centers and sides should provide some higher range bass to smooth out the transition - or at least that was my assumption of what my ears were hearing. Could be wrong on that.
      Definitely not an audio engineer or anything close, and haven’t done detailed testing like you’re getting into…but with adding the new sub through the Samsung Sub/amp and lightly reducing the crossover made a massive improvement to my movie experience. I wouldn’t doubt a dedicated AVR setup may sound better, but for my needs this is amazing.
      Curious to hear more as you continue to test. Still learning over here myself.

    • @arikononen4022
      @arikononen4022 5 місяців тому +1

      @@thejuice33 Hi! I use Dspeaker antimode 8033 sII separate sub EQ to EQ klipsch. It makes it a lot better for higher crossovers. I’m impressed how well klipsch integrates with open crossover. Without antimode its a mess in my room.

    • @arikononen4022
      @arikononen4022 5 місяців тому +2

      I will share my results after a bit of testing. This setup kicks ass and simply causes less ”setup autism” than regular multi ch setup. I’m going to try to put samsung sub at the opposite back corner after a weekend and see how it goes

  • @waterprosurge
    @waterprosurge 28 днів тому +3

    This is very interesting and it got me thinking. Instead of grabbing the amplified signal off the Samsung sub and feeding it to a line level adapter, is there a way to tap into the Samsung board and grab the line level (pre-amplified) signal and then just use an rca cable on that?
    Also curious, I'm planning on ditching the existing Samsung sub in favor of a singluar SVS 2000 sub or even possibly two Klipsch subs (not sure if I should do dual 10's or 12's). If I decide to run dual subs, I assume I would just split the singluar pair of speaker wires coming off the Samsung amp into 4 wires(2 red and 2 black). The line level adapter looks like it has 2 sets of speaker wire inputs and two rca outputs. So I assume you could just split it like that to run two self powered subs? Or would it be easier to just use an rca cable splitter (1 input to 2 outputs) after it comes out of the line-level adapter? I'm not sure if the line level signal would be too low on each rca at that point?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  27 днів тому

      I was wondering the same thing on the pre-amplified signal from the Samsung board. I didn't feel comfortable testing out tapping into different connection points out of fear of destroying it -- so I opted for the safer route converting it back down.
      Routing to two subs - you could do either approach, but my plan was to split at the very end after it's back down to line level and route that to two subs. Just out of simplicity and less wires. I wouldn't expect any issues with the signal strength by splitting there. I'm actually waiting for the 14" Klipsch 1400SW to go back on sale to grab another myself. I just missed it the last time...maybe that's a good thing for my wallet.

    • @waterprosurge
      @waterprosurge 26 днів тому +1

      @@thejuice33I was doing a little more research and it looks like if you're going to split the signal into two (or more), it's best to do the split at line level vs speaker level. Apparently line-level signals are meant to be split and are near lossless whereas splitting the speaker level wires makes the amp work harder apparently.
      I'm curious if you've noticed the sound bar overheating at all since you're effectively splitting the speaker wire to go to the Samsung sub and the Klipsch sub?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  26 днів тому

      @ Interesting find. I haven’t noticed any overheating or issues at all with the soundbar, or existing Samsung sub with the amp in it. Going on close to a year now with this setup and it’s still working great. I did feel like the Samsung sub might have gotten less powerful after making this change…but I assumed it was because I was now comparing it to a gigantic 14” subwoofer side by side. Definitely no expert on amps but curious if this setup could overwork the amp, or dilute the power across connections? Which might explain why my Samsung sub feels even more underwhelming than before. Have a link to what you found? Would be interested to educate myself more on it.

    • @waterprosurge
      @waterprosurge 26 днів тому +1

      @@thejuice33 I don't have a link per say, I just typed this into google, "is it better to use a splitter at the speaker level or line level", and the AI genereated responses indicated it's better at the line level. A few other articles and forums alluded to the same thing too but it wasn't as direct as the AI generated response.
      The reason I'm finding this so facinating is because I have the Klipsch Cinema 600 soundbar which comes with a 10" sub. I loved this setup for what it was, but inevitibly, the power supply died just like every other Cinema 400,600, 800,1200 setup. I grabbed a new power supply off Amazon and got the soundbar working again, however the sub would not connect to the soundbar no matter what I tried. Someone had suggested updating the firmware on it, so I tried that and while in the middle of the update, my soundbar turned off and has never come back to life after that. I used a volt meter on the new power supply and verified that the new power supply was working properly. So I think problem is in the bios chip now and I think it's bricked at this point. Which is horrible, because it also means my 10" sub is now useless because it can only be used wirelessly with the Cinema Sound Bars. What I'm thinking of doing though is using this hack to A) grab the speaker wire from the Samsung sub and bypass it completely B) Open up the Klipsch sub to disconnect it's amp from the speaker C) Feed the Samsung speaker wire to the Klipsch sub speaker directly. Or I guess I could parallel them too and use them both, but I'm afraid of burning out the samsung soundbar amp since both would be powered directly from the soundbar then so I think I'd just use the Klipsch 10" sub instead.
      I ordered the Samsung 990C through their EPP site and got a great deal on it! It won't be here till Dec 2nd. I'm just worried that the default 8" sub that comes with it is going to be horrible which is how I found your post. I really wish all soundbar manufacturers would just put a sub-out on their soundbars! It would be so much easier than having to work on these hacks. Yes, it wouldn't directly be wireless, but it would allow you to add a better quality sub to the mix than the pre-packed one. This was the main reason I picked up the 990C vs the 990D. I figured I'd save a few hundred dollars in the short term going with the C and with 2025 upon us, I'm really hoping that they release the new 990E or some new line that has a sub-output. I got such a good deal on the 990C I know I can sell it for more than I paid for it and use that money towards the 990E when it goes on sale during black friday next year 2025!

    • @bcheo890
      @bcheo890 17 годин тому

      It makes the amp work slightly harder because it’s like putting a kink in a hose. Less amperage can flow through a lesser gauge wire.

  • @av1743
    @av1743 7 днів тому

    Have never opened up a speaker before . Its both intimidating and tempting at the same time . I haven’t bought a subwoofer yet . Is it better to get one with speaker level input ?to avoid the conversion step etc ? Also is it easier if I just reroute the signal to the new sub ? To avoid the splicing step etc

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  7 днів тому

      @@av1743 it was my first time too. It’s fairly simple once you get a look in there though. For me I’d rather convert the signal down and into the line level of a powered subwoofer. I really doubt the Samsung amp could power a much larger sub well. I’ve also since added a second 14” subwoofer and no chance it could power both.
      Yes I would just reroute it direct to the new sub honestly and avoid splicing to both. Once I added the bigger sub I couldn’t even notice the smaller one on at all.

    • @av1743
      @av1743 6 днів тому

      @ did you have to change the converter for the bigger subwoofer ?

  • @HomeDevices_Rans
    @HomeDevices_Rans 3 місяці тому +1

    I am new to audio system setup and my question may be dumb but can we connect it directly to a passive subwoofer ? Will it work and are there any risks ? Also what is the impedance of Q990 series subwoofer ?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  3 місяці тому

      Not a dumb question…teaching myself as part of this project.
      I don’t think there’s any risk using a passive subwoofer assuming it has a higher wattage requirement it would just be underpowered and probably wouldn’t be a big improvement, but could always give it a try and see how it sounds.
      Not sure on the impedance of the q990 sub.

    • @HomeDevices_Rans
      @HomeDevices_Rans 3 місяці тому

      @@thejuice33 Thanks for answering brother 🙂

  • @arikononen4022
    @arikononen4022 6 місяців тому +1

    Just wondering before starting a project like this.

  • @belvitaliy720
    @belvitaliy720 8 днів тому

    What wire or gage is that between the the Samsung subwoofer and the a line reducer

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  8 днів тому

      @@belvitaliy720 It’s 16 gauge stranded speaker wire.

  • @DROIDRAZR16
    @DROIDRAZR16 4 місяці тому +2

    Is it possible just to use the bigger sub without using the Samsung?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  4 місяці тому +1

      @@DROIDRAZR16 Partially. You don’t need to use the woofer & enclosure from the Samsung but you do need to connect the bigger sub to the output of the wifi/amplifier board inside the enclosure. If you want to reduce the footprint you could take that board out and mount it somewhere hidden.

    • @DROIDRAZR16
      @DROIDRAZR16 4 місяці тому +1

      @@thejuice33 thank you I’ll try it out

  • @Olifer1031
    @Olifer1031 20 годин тому

    Anyone know if I can simply tap into and run some speaker wire from the standard Samsung Sub into a non powered sub? I have a 10” JL Audio sub in a box, would I be able to use this?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  18 годин тому +1

      @@Olifer1031 yes you could, it just might be underpowered if the JL sub uses higher wattage. Samsung amp puts out 200 watts I believe. So disconnect the Samsung sub and extend those speaker wires to the JL sub directly without a line level converter.

  • @hakansalihoglu
    @hakansalihoglu 4 місяці тому

    If I'm not mistaken, the factory data is for a 200w rms subwoofer. I think this huge thing would fill even a villa room. For example, it could shake the couch while watching a movie. What difference did you make with the method you used? By the way, I think the subwoofer cabinet was designed incorrectly. If we just change the design of the subwoofer cabinet and place it in a cabinet like the SVS PB16 Ultra, what would the performance be? Or would this process be unnecessary and not worth it?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  4 місяці тому +1

      @@hakansalihoglu for 95% of consumers I think the included subwoofer would be adequate. I was fairly impressed with the performance for it being part of a subwoofer bundle…but knowing the capabilities of larger more powerful subwoofers I always wished for more performance. Moving from a 200RMS 8” woofer to a 500 RMS/1000 max and a 14” woofer makes a drastic difference. I can “feel” movies now, not just hear bigger, deeper sound. It made me love watching movies with the new subwoofer. It’s not just action movies either, it adds a new dimension of sound to many types of scenes. A dramatic transition during a surprise moment in a movie can be physically felt and the impact of it is much greater. Hard to describe, but this change for me is well worth it.

    • @hakansalihoglu
      @hakansalihoglu 4 місяці тому

      @@thejuice33 Thank you for your long and detailed article. So instead of messing around with changing the cabinet on the original speaker, you suggest I go straight to a new subwoofer, right?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  4 місяці тому

      @@hakansalihoglu it depends. I know changing the cabinet out could make some improvements but it will never come close to the 14” subwoofer I added. If you only want marginal improvements and you’re experienced with what enclosure type might work better I’d say give it a try. For me I knew I wanted a large step up in performance so I opted for a new subwoofer entirely.

  • @ericpark8244
    @ericpark8244 Місяць тому

    What is that blue box you put the adapter in? I just ordered the adapter to do the same modification.

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  Місяць тому

      It's a 3D printed box I roughly designed to go around it.

  • @xSlickNick5x
    @xSlickNick5x Місяць тому

    My subwoofer has left and right speaker inputs. Can I just connect the wire straight to one of those and skip the adapter?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  Місяць тому

      Yes you could. Assuming the second sub is bigger and can handle the voltage output to it from the Samsung amp it should work fine and can avoid the line level converter.

    • @xSlickNick5x
      @xSlickNick5x Місяць тому

      @@thejuice33 I hooked it up and it works!

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  Місяць тому

      @@xSlickNick5xNice!!

  • @gill02ful
    @gill02ful 2 місяці тому

    Hi , i have a jbl bar 5.1 active wireless subwoofer do you know if i can connect that to my samsung q990d?

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  2 місяці тому +1

      Probably not wirelessly. Assuming it works the same way as the Samsung Sub with a wifi controller + amp, you could try running the amplified signal (speaker level) from the Samsung Sub to the subwoofer directly in the JBL speaker completely bypassing the amplifier. Sounds a little risky though, not knowing the JBL speaker specs or if the Samsung amp can power both well enough. Ideally you just get another active subwoofer with LFE inputs.

    • @gill02ful
      @gill02ful 2 місяці тому +1

      @@thejuice33 Thanks for taking the time to revert back i have a question do you happen to know the technology these subwoofers uses, how do they connect to their respective soundbar wirelessly and send signals to subwoofer i just got mine q990d i like the bass though but in some situations i feel like having some extra bass, is there any way to add on additional subwoofer wirelessly. I would appreciate your response

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  2 місяці тому

      @@gill02ful I don’t know how you would add an additional subwoofer wirelessly, that’s why I opted the wired route as I knew it would work.
      You could replace the subwoofer wirelessly though with some extra effort. If you see my video there is that wireless board and amp within the Samsung subwoofer. In theory you could remove that entirely and put it into its own small enclosure right next to a new subwoofer (or inside depending on space) and hook it up like I did this in video. Only difference is you no longer have the Samsung sub and new sub working together - although after months of testing mine I don’t think you’d be missing out on much just getting rid of the original smaller Samsung sub and replacing with a larger sub. I can’t even notice mine anymore with the 14” Klipsch hooked up.

    • @gill02ful
      @gill02ful 2 місяці тому +1

      @@thejuice33 i know it will sound stupid but I can’t figure out myself need your help. So if i take off the circuit board completely out of samsung sub and put it on let’s say a svs pb 1000 pro then do i have to have two power cords plugged into wall socket one for samsung and another for svs???? Question 2 is there a chance of getting the samsung board getting blown i mean does it heat-up a lot when connected to additional sub, i am planning to completely ditch the samsung sub i will only be using the svs sub.

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  2 місяці тому

      @@gill02ful not a stupid question, this was fairly complicated for me to figure out as well and wanted to share with others.
      First question: yes you would need to plug the Samsung board pulled out of the sub into the wall and the SVS Sub also plugged into the wall. Samsung board because you need that WiFi (or Bluetooth) connectivity between the main soundbar and the Samsung sub, and the SVS obviously for the amplifier.
      If you have an SVS subwoofer with LFE input you can set it up almost exactly like I do in the video except just pull out that Samsung board and route the two output wires from the board (speaker level) into a line level converter (bringing it back down to LFE) and then connect to LFE input of SVS subwoofer. Mine was more complicated with splicing to two subwoofers yours would be simpler than mine and more direct.
      You could avoid the line level converter with an SVS sub potentially since I recall SVS subs have speaker level inputs, but the amp on the Samsung is probably underpowered for the SVS sub so I’d follow what I did and allow the amplifier on the SVS sub to do its job. This approach might carry risk with damaging the Samsung amp so I’d avoid running to SVS speaker level inputs directly.
      To your second question, no there shouldn’t be any additional strain or power draw on the Samsung amplifier (using LFE) since you’d just be allowing it to output it’s normal wattage into the line level converter, which then brings the power down to line level, and then the SVS amplifier “upscales” it back up to speaker level for its own power needs.
      I’m mobile so hopefully I explained that clearly. If you need a diagram later to illustrate I may be able to get that together for you.

  • @umm2012
    @umm2012 3 місяці тому +1

    Can I add a second samsung q990 sub ?

    • @bimalbk4u
      @bimalbk4u 3 місяці тому +2

      Hi you can do it , I am still using 2 subwoofers with my old HW Q90R sound bar , I did ID set with both the subs and the rear speakers and it works pretty well, just make sure keep 3/4 meters distance between the subs when you do ID set once both subs connects you can put the subs any where you want. Give a go I am sure it will work out as it works over frequency range. Cheers

    • @umm2012
      @umm2012 3 місяці тому

      @@bimalbk4u could you explain plz how to do it proper :) many many thanx

    • @bimalbk4u
      @bimalbk4u 3 місяці тому

      @@umm2012Hi just do the ID set that’s all, just make sure keep the subs at least 3 meter apart from each others that’s all. Hope it helps

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  2 місяці тому

      Not sure about sending the wireless signal to two subs (@bimalbk4u seems to be suggesting that is possible) - but you could also route the amplified signal out of the first sub directly to the speaker itself in a second sub (bypassing the wireless panel) if you wanted matching subs.

  • @noelnoyce1997
    @noelnoyce1997 День тому

    thanks bro

  • @rovd4433
    @rovd4433 12 годин тому

    I would not try this..Not safe and there's a risk of damaging the more expensive traditional hifi active subwoofer

    • @thejuice33
      @thejuice33  12 годин тому

      @@rovd4433can you explain whats unsafe and what the risk is of doing this when using a line level converter?