Yes it was a time trial. I was actually there with Thunder N' Rain. The Linda Seagent Racing Stables. I slept in front of Rains stall on a couple hay bells.
I worked for Fred Grant (trainer of Cam Best) for the better part of a year back in the late 1970s and I can assure everyone that he is a very serious, smart, hard working guy who has excellent intuition about how to train and get the best from a horse ... without drugs. I do recall he used vitamin supplements often, but I think his success was knowing exactly how to make a horse first strong and fast using interval training methods, and then sharp (i.e., wanting to race) using fast short workouts right near a big race. Fred Grant is a very serious, estute trainer.
Wow, to think all the other trainers missed such a simple approach. Let me guess: he also fixed their feet, teeth, and gums because every horse is neglected there.
Yep, very true. I've worked with a number of other standardbred trainers in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and from my own direct experience attention to a lot of little details makes a huge difference. I once spent about 3-4 hours one on one with Billy Haughton and he told me that his success was largely attributable to experimenting (quickly and intelligently) to find what helps and what hinders a horse. So, he was always attentive in the extreme about the look, feel, and attitude of his horses ... and this is exactly the way Fred Grant is as well. Other trainers I've known personally and worked with really weren't as rigorous in these regards as the Haughtons (Peter Haughton was very much like his father) and Fred Grant.
People can say what they want but I know of no proof. The cloud that hung over Cambest's head from the Black Box at Delaware prevented him from going to Hanover Shoe Farm and probably reduced the impact of his first 4 or 5 crops. Instead of being ONE of the best all time sires, he might have been the best.
@DoctorFuego Also Cambest has proven everyone wrong with His great production as a SIRE! He is an awesome sire produced some world champions so I still think he is one of the top 5 pacers that ever lived! Walter Case Jr drove this horse and still calls him the fastest horse he has ever driven! That says a lot coming from Walter Case Jr! He has sat behind countless great horses to be called the best he has ever driven says A LOT ABOUT CAMBEST!
They shouldn't have paid the fee for the prompter because the Thoroughbred utterly failed to keep up! This is actually impressive because it was really a training mile and not a time trial - the prompter was not even remotely in contact with Cambest for at least the final five furlongs! I always knew that Harold J. would produce at least one really important grandkid...
the "black box" test has some questions of it's own to answer. I showed Dr. Sams (Ohio chief chemist) my bloodwork on Postmark and 1/4 times that I pulled her blood he told me that on that particular day that she would have blown any box in the country and this was on a day she trained, 4 weeks before the next time she raced, and I know she wasn't milkshaked, so through personal experience I know that there CAN be other reasons for a horse to have a high blood gas test. We just don't know.
@karloomick Im confused as to what they are being juiced with. Plus this was 93. Even if he was milkshaking and had a cheetah sulky that is a seriously legit mile
I always thought harness racing was a major league sport in Canada and a minor league sport in the States.It made me sick when Ontario pulled the rug out from under their program.I had to pay a $10000 stud fee AFTER they announced they wanted to destroy their racing program.Short sighted idiots.I've sent more money North than I ever brought back South.Sorry what they did to your program.
Don’t feel bad because I grew up a few miles from the Meadowlands and remember opening night and how they drew 20,000 + every weekend card for years and saw the greats race because they not only had $1 million dollar races but well over that but NJ destroyed it and I remember how Canada had great cards also ! It’s a real shame what has happened to some of the great places they raced back in the 1980’s & 1990’s !!
ODONNELL SHOWED STUCK WITH TIME TRIALING WERE HE WAS THE BEST BUT HAS ADMINSTRATOR OF C.0.S.T/A HE HAS NOT STEP UP TO HELP THE B TRACK IN ONTARIO FROM LOSING THERE SLOT REVENUE
@TheRagingNerd every horse in this era wore the cheetah sulky! I rode in a cheetah sulky and they made every horse go 2 seconds or more faster! I wish the never outlawed those sulkys. They were not dangerous!
wow it was a trial and seriously the horses need to stop being juiced to there eyesballs in america. i have a freind who has an ex united states pacer and it took time to wean him off the jungle juice the yanks shove down there throats. plus no pressure in a race scenario diminishes his so called feat
Man, am I old. I remember when breaking a 2 minute mile was a great race
Yeah, same here. Just shows how awesome Niatross was.
Like when Jack Lee would have a heart attack on any sub-:58 I mean FIFTY-SEVEN AND FOUR! halfmile.
I was there that day with Thunder N' Rain, The Seargent Racing Stables. Wow I forget how we did but I still remember this like it was yesterday.
That was not a time trial, it was a training mile, which makes it even more impressive.
Yes it was a time trial. I was actually there with Thunder N' Rain. The Linda Seagent Racing Stables. I slept in front of Rains stall on a couple hay bells.
I remember Albatross going 154.1 at Sportsmans Park in 1972.
I worked for Fred Grant (trainer of Cam Best) for the better part of a year back in the late 1970s and I can assure everyone that he is a very serious, smart, hard working guy who has excellent intuition about how to train and get the best from a horse ... without drugs. I do recall he used vitamin supplements often, but I think his success was knowing exactly how to make a horse first strong and fast using interval training methods, and then sharp (i.e., wanting to race) using fast short workouts right near a big race. Fred Grant is a very serious, estute trainer.
Wow, to think all the other trainers missed such a simple approach. Let me guess: he also fixed their feet, teeth, and gums because every horse is neglected there.
Yep, very true. I've worked with a number of other standardbred trainers in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and from my own direct experience attention to a lot of little details makes a huge difference. I once spent about 3-4 hours one on one with Billy Haughton and he told me that his success was largely attributable to experimenting (quickly and intelligently) to find what helps and what hinders a horse. So, he was always attentive in the extreme about the look, feel, and attitude of his horses ... and this is exactly the way Fred Grant is as well. Other trainers I've known personally and worked with really weren't as rigorous in these regards as the Haughtons (Peter Haughton was very much like his father) and Fred Grant.
The prompter lived in shame forever after.
People can say what they want but I know of no proof. The cloud that hung over Cambest's head from the Black Box at Delaware prevented him from going to Hanover Shoe Farm and probably reduced the impact of his first 4 or 5 crops. Instead of being ONE of the best all time sires, he might have been the best.
@DoctorFuego Also Cambest has proven everyone wrong with His great production as a SIRE! He is an awesome sire produced some world champions so I still think he is one of the top 5 pacers that ever lived! Walter Case Jr drove this horse and still calls him the fastest horse he has ever driven! That says a lot coming from Walter Case Jr! He has sat behind countless great horses to be called the best he has ever driven says A LOT ABOUT CAMBEST!
They shouldn't have paid the fee for the prompter because the Thoroughbred utterly failed to keep up! This is actually impressive because it was really a training mile and not a time trial - the prompter was not even remotely in contact with Cambest for at least the final five furlongs! I always knew that Harold J. would produce at least one really important grandkid...
the "black box" test has some questions of it's own to answer. I showed Dr. Sams (Ohio chief chemist) my bloodwork on Postmark and 1/4 times that I pulled her blood he told me that on that particular day that she would have blown any box in the country and this was on a day she trained, 4 weeks before the next time she raced, and I know she wasn't milkshaked, so through personal experience I know that there CAN be other reasons for a horse to have a high blood gas test. We just don't know.
@karloomick Im confused as to what they are being juiced with. Plus this was 93. Even if he was milkshaking and had a cheetah sulky that is a seriously legit mile
I always thought harness racing was a major league sport in Canada and a minor league sport in the States.It made me sick when Ontario pulled the rug out from under their program.I had to pay a $10000 stud fee AFTER they announced they wanted to destroy their racing program.Short sighted idiots.I've sent more money North than I ever brought back South.Sorry what they did to your program.
Don’t feel bad because I grew up a few miles from the Meadowlands and remember opening night and how they drew 20,000 + every weekend card for years and saw the greats race because they not only had $1 million dollar races but well over that but NJ destroyed it and I remember how Canada had great cards also ! It’s a real shame what has happened to some of the great places they raced back in the 1980’s & 1990’s !!
any great horse that rides the rail with no other horses in the way should have a great time
This was the infamous cheetah sulky time trial yes?
How fast he going 34.7 mph or 35.7mph
ODONNELL SHOWED STUCK WITH TIME TRIALING WERE HE WAS THE BEST BUT HAS ADMINSTRATOR OF C.0.S.T/A HE HAS NOT STEP UP TO HELP THE B TRACK IN ONTARIO FROM LOSING THERE SLOT REVENUE
somebeachsomewhere had a trip 146.4 in a race
@TheRagingNerd every horse in this era wore the cheetah sulky! I rode in a cheetah sulky and they made every horse go 2 seconds or more faster! I wish the never outlawed those sulkys. They were not dangerous!
37mph
wow it was a trial and seriously the horses need to stop being juiced to there eyesballs in america. i have a freind who has an ex united states pacer and it took time to wean him off the jungle juice the yanks shove down there throats.
plus no pressure in a race scenario diminishes his so called feat
Never liked him as a race horse, or sire.......
Juice! Not spit box
american harness racing is a joke till they wean them off lasix and bute