I've been on Campagnolo for 40 years. Really sad to see the thumb shifter go away. It was what made Campy stand out and it's just so great. I would assume it is still around on mechanical groups, at least until mechanical goes the way of the dodo. Also... 53 up front or go home. :)
Campagnolo purist here, now maybe a former Campag purist, the thumb shifter is the main reason I used Campagnolo exclusively. Having the buttons separated to different parts of the hand makes a huge ergonomic difference when wearing gloves or when in O2 debt and the brain is shutting off and you need to rely on gross muscle memory. Especially given how hard to find (and expensive!) Campagnolo parts are in the US my next group will likely not be Campagnolo. If I have to pay for inferior shifting design I'm not going to pay a premium.
Sadly different batteries front and rear. One of the more useful design features of SRAM AXS is the ability to put the FD battery (or from a dropper post) on the RD if you've run out of juice.
That's the first thing I noticed. I have Etap and the ability to swap the batteries to get in the right chainring to make it home when one is dead is a savior. I now carry one spare that will work on either front or rear.
@@donjuandeaustria1213 yeah the patent issue is such a big thing on cycling. IIRC it's why Shimano was unable to go full wireless. Shimano also hold a shit load of patents too.😊
A 1 by set up is an abomination on a road bike, absolutely horrendous looking with a dinner plate cassette on the back but then I still ride what we used to call a mans bike, 53/39 with 23 as lowest gear on my road bike, I do have a gravel bike also but even that has a double crankset for optimal chain alignment.
@@julianmorris9951 And that front derailleur is not an abomination…? Also, 'a mans bike'? LOL, men who find it necessary to boast about how manly they are, are usually pretty laughable.
I love the aesthetics of the group. The derailleurs in particular look premium and classy. What I don't like, as others have mentioned, is the different batteries for each derailleur. Gone is the opportunity to swap batteries mid-ride if you forget to charge them. I'll be sticking with my eTap for the foreseeable.
I was a loyal Campy user for 30 years until I got my last road bike. Have always loved campy equipment. Use Chorus, on par with Ultegra. As the electronic shifting trickles down to the lower groups, I may try it again!!!! All Campy stuff is solid and can be rebuilt never just a throw away and replace.
@@rosomak8244 I have never been a fan of electronic shifting. Sure there are benefits, but I like to be able to fix my own bikes and to troubleshoot on the road any issues. As I mentioned all Campy components of the past could all be fixed, parts replaced, etc. we will have to see the long term outcome of this shifting technology. I was real sad when Shimano no longer has mechanical systems for Ultegra and Dura Ace. Big mistake IMHO, but will have to see how the market shakes out. I am still running mechanical on my latest gravel bike, SRAM Force/Eagle GX mullet build. But I always follow Campy. If you have never ridden their past components..... lots of firsts from that company. Why they have mostly been race focused, at least they are providing options for the everyday rider as well.
Interesting that, in a time when pros are using OS jockey wheels to save watts, manufacturers are moving to smaller rings and cassettes. 1 tooth diff isn't the same across cassettes either. 10 to 11 is 10% increase, 12 to 13 is 8% increase so easier to match to perfect cadence.
Not just the Pro's the UK TT scene has been adapting larger chainrings for improvements in efficiency for a while. Look at Sram they had to bring out larger rings for their pro's. I think it is probably due to the 'all road' phenomenon, and provides gearing to match. This leaves us amateur racers high and dry - e.g. Shimano only offer Ultegra 12spd with a max ring size of 52 which isn't great for TT's, Tri's and even some crits where a 54(+) can be useful.
53/39 isn’t just for racers. And if you ask most consumers, which no manufacturer seems to do these days, they’d prefer a 14-32 cassette. If anything is “racer only” it’s the 10,11,12,13 tooth sprockets on a 2x drivetrain.
@@frankmeyer1865 I’ll sell you a pair of my all new, cutting edge, glass slippers to match the 45/29 chainrings. They maximise the aero gains of groupset plus rider. 50 watt saving at 15 kmp/h.
My prayers have been answered. I've always loved Campy. I never had their electric but I loved their Super Record mechanical. I am disappointed about the loss of the of the thumb shifter. I used to down shift from the tops with my pinky finger, but hopefully they will come out with blips because I have them on my SRAM and it's awesome.
I haven't tried this one, nor the previous Campy EPS, but think Campagnolo should stick with their top quality mechanical shifting they've been known for. I have a feeling there'll be a lot of misshifts when riding in the hoods from those similarly feeling buttons right above/below each other and neither would I be convinced to buy this groupset by the enormous front mech, non-swappable batteries between front and rear derailleurs, gear ratios and highly doubt somewhat competitive price.
Should have copied SRAM - right lever for harder- left for easier. Both to change the front. Very easy to do and no need to find the right tiny button.
what a beautiful bike. I have never been a Campag fan, but the new group is really a move in the right direction for them I think. That Willier is Smoke'n
I have mechanical SRecord on one of my bikes, I love using it as it’s so different from Shimano & SRAM. Really not sure about this, I do hope it’s not the beginning of the end for a brand with such a rich and fabulous heritage. Doesn’t SRAM just do the same only better? 😢 Hope I’m very very wrong.
Great video! Wouldnt mind keep using the thumb shifter as the new solution looks too close for up and down now... weight wise for the groupset what are the numbers?
it's not a good way to do! It looks very good and clean, but in use you will roll the sides of the bar tape - you have to start at the bottom, though that doesn't look as clean
@@fiddleronthebike Thanks, I was told the same from multiple sources. However, I've been riding for a while (6 months) now with the "reverse" wrap method with Zipp Service Course CX bar tape and it's been working well. Love how clean it looks. I guess I don't torque against the bars as often as the hoods.
@@MazingerZX interesting! I did it many years ago with bad experience, but maybe there are tapes today which can do better with this. The look is great for sure, so I will try it again….
Mechanical,keepin it simple stupid is my motto,no batteries to replace ,ever,no motor lock ups,ever,crash's will be expensive also,dont need a phone to fix anything just a screwdriver at most
They should call it SRAMpagnolo. This isn't a criticism. We are already halfway to a SRAMano groupset, and I expect the evolution will be complete within a few years.
I am sure there will be a lot of comments about the price and be fair at £4.5k i can see why. You can see why the Chinese groupsets gain so much interest in their development. It would be good to see some European companies challenging the status quo for performance at better value points within cycling as well.
The problem is, that cycling gained So much popularity with covid, so as long as people will keep buying these ridicolously priced bikes and parts, they will just increase price. And the other issue is, that you can't buy a bike with chinese groupset on it in normal shop, and not many people are willing to build bike themslefs.
@Alex Michl I think the hyped prices happened before Covid, but the shortages definitely made things worse. Yep though with more Chinese brands having European distributing it is only a matter of time I guess, but Currently a very niche market. I guess the selling less at a higher price has advantages, but with a shrinking middle class in many countries you wonder how sustainable that business model will be in the long run.
@@morrisizing Agreed. Chinese alternatives can't be available soon enough. Right now, it's a widespread money grab by the big players before peak cycling recedes.
Basically they’ve looked at Sram AXS and Shimano Di2 and tried to copy the best of both. The crankset looks like Ultegra, the batteries are a clunky design of AXS. If you’re going to be last to the party you’ve got to leap forward with some innovation… this is set to sit on the shelf I suspect.
I really like Campa’s approach to the crank. Interesting that they opted for 29 at the back… seems like a missed opportunity to really bring it to Shimano/SRAM who now (for Shimano) is warming up to the 34’s 😅… 105’s 12 speeds only option (11-34) and even the mighty Dura-Ace now offering the same ⚙️… IMO, 52/36 and bigger should definitely be available for the powerful among you guys, and the industry should gravitate to 50/34 as the new standard (Shimano) and smaller offering already at SRAM and now at Campa… Great direction if you ask me… PS: I had to buy 50/34 to downsize from the 52/36 standard on my Trek Émonda fitted with Ultegra R8000… but kept the 11-30 as had to stop the spending spree.. 🙃 would have loved standard 50/34 with 11-34 out back 😍…
@@andrewmcalister3462 clearly, but that’s “mountain” territory… I’m talking about the everyday ride in mixed terrain… 29 IMO, is still too small if you’re running 50/34 up front… but maybe that’s just me 😅
Shimano 12 speed has an 11-36 option. That said, Campagnolo SR is still going to have 52/36 & 53/39 options in the range, albeit for mechanical. What will be interesting is whether the mech will handle 11-32 or 11.34 cassettes.....
@@inthefieldunderthesky cry about it, these filante frames are some of the best most beautiful frames you can buy, the attention to detail is outstanding on these...
Today i ordered the frame for my last DreamBuild, a Colnago C68. I will mount this group to get something, that is built completely in europe especially in italy. I hope the ride on the C68 will be as smooth, as you discribed in another video, David. Nice Video🎉❤
@charlesmansplaining they are not Made in US, and i am tired about the samelooking mass products of asia. I own a SWORKS Tarmac SL7, it‘s a fantastic bike, but the Italien job has got a Soul. I am now 58 years old, and become an old white man, maybe that’s the reason. But i totally agree with you, my other brand still will be Specialized
Pretty ugly derailleurs, but I could get used to that. The main problem is the move away from the thumb shifter. That's what made Campy Campy. That was the absolute joy of riding and interacting with it. Removing that makes it a way too expensive version of Di2 or eTap, and now there is nothing special about it, as the shifting mechanism has changed. After 20 years with Campy, if their electronic groupsets all go this way, if I ever got an electronic gruppo, it would not be Campy, because now the only thing that separates Campy from the others is the massive price. Thumb shifters or bust. Thankfully, it is still on mechanical.
After a severe hand injury in 2004, I went to Campag as the thumb shifter worked with the injury. So for me the loss of the Thumb shifter is a loss of its functionality with that hand. No biggy for me as I prefer cable actuated anyway, but anyone with a similar loss of hand motion, may find it unworkable.
God damn. People in the west are so hopeless. Why can't you get some other gears for 20 times less money and some two compound adhesives to glue in an extension knob where you would like to have it done? It's about pulling a wire-line. It will function as good as anything. Get compression less cabling and pre-stretch the cables if you want to improve precision. This is far more of relevance that the levers.
Why wouldn't they make the front and rear battery the same? When people die in the small or large ring it would be helpful to swap batteries momentarily to change the ring and move on.
Nice and interesting video, as always, especially, as the media here in Japan hasn’t reported on it much yet. Btw, I ordered one of your Just Ride Bikes T-shirt back in April but seems its printing has never finished since then for 1.5 months. There maybe some others who are experiencing the same and that’d be a shame if so. It’s good to check on such small things concerning the channel sometimes.
Thanks for ordering a t-shirt! The t-shirt orders are fulfilled by TeeSpring a company that specialises in producing t-shirt designs - delivery can sometimes be a bit slow and I imagine posting the Japan may take a bit longer. It could be worth dropping them an email just to ask how your order is proceeding. Hope it arrives soon!
this looks like the thing i would want with the classified powershift hub wheels. the carbon cranks and e shifting in a custom non gravel 1x setup on one of the feather weight bikes. could be robust if nothing else more people need to have access to it for viability to be a thing tho. . .
Would like to know how is it unsafe or “illegal”? Is the concern about how one might strongly grip and twist the opposite direction of the wrap direction when riding? (This concern applies equally for “traditional” wrapping methods.)
@@MazingerZX true, it's not about if you wrap clockwise or anti-, but how the seam between coils shows. With traditional wrap you slide your hand from stem towards hoods smoothly, with reverse you catch on the ridge. Must be still from the times of cotton tape, when it is unpleasant, destructive to the tape and can cause involuntary handlebar movement 🤷♂️ Or maybe it's just to prevent the tape sliding off alltogether like stockings without garment belt, in case it looses tension over time or gets cut in a crash...
It looks nice and all, but fr who'd buy this at that price. Thier lower tier groupsets are most likely gonna be more price than everything else on the market. The worst part of campag is (imo) the low install base, meaning that it's not guaranteed that you'll find replacement parts.
You can bet yours ass that you will not find any replacement parts at all. This thing will be produced as a single relatively small batch in the far east. There will be no incentive to hold a sufficient inventory orto restart any production by the real manufacturer at all.
When the major selling point of your new groupset is that it has copied something that has been on the market for year already. I was really hoping Campag would push us forward. Maybe a better way of having auxiliary switches, better automatic shift, or a method to get you home when the batteries die.
Shimano's newest groupsets still offer rim brakes. As for SRAM, I'm not yet sure if the Force AXS can use the Force eTap AXS's dual-control levers that's designed for mechanical brakes.
Not seeing much to gazump Shimano or Sram. For me only having a max cassette range of 11-29 is off-putting. Despite the choice of 3 front crank sizes I would prefer to have the choice of an 11-32 on back at least. Aside from that it's a great groupset
the gear range has not improved. We have now 10-29 (a bit under 1:3) and before 11-34 (a bit over 1:3). And btw, the Campagnolo 11-34 has the best gradation of all 11-34 cassettes; imo the step to 10-29 (following SRAM) is a mistake because the smaller the cassettes are getting, the bigger is a 1-tooth-step - 10 to 11 is a bigger step than 11 to 12, and especially with the small kogs it matters. Other than that it is a beautiful group set - as most of Campagnolo since many years
Sure looks nice and a visual improvement from the last Campy groupset. Naturally the two p's, pricing along with performance will play an important role in the overall success.
Campagnolo used to make the most beautiful metal components, and the top-end gruppos were polished like jewels. Not sure why I would pay these prices for the same black carbon fiber that everyone else uses
Are those Hyperon wheels? Quite scarce. The cost of campag is just not justifiable, and removing all the quirks of a thumb shifter and oddly shaped hood means it’s got nothing for its fans to justify the outlay for.
Great video David, Could you tell me if that is a Campy chain ? I noticed the locking mechanism like Scram and Shimano use so I surmised it is one of them. I figure the only thing they did not improve on was the price tag !!!
@@Unwavering137 I bought the chain tool a couple of years ago because I didn't think at the time, there was a quick link for Campy. I have a chorus 12 speed as well. What quick link do you use please ?
@@Unwavering137 Yeah. I never bought that tool. I've always used a $15 park tool to pop the pin in and out. Never had any problems. (*touch wood) Currently on two sets of Record 12 and have ridden Campy on and off since 9sp. I've just always been careful using standard chain tools.
@@gregfisher216 Nah. If I remember correctly I did use one on 10sp. But, I dont plan on taking the chain off except to put a new one on so I dont really bother with it. But, if I heard correctly, KMC one works. I guess you'd want to take it off to do the wax treatment?
Just my $.02 but it doesn't look like the shift selectors are very ergonomic, in that you need to adjust your hand position to reach the lower paddle. That's horrible!
Well, be honest. How often do you use the 10 tooth sprocket?? Not to often I think. Because you have to go way over 50km/h on that gear. So it just don’t matter in the real word how much the loosing on a 10 tooth sprocket is.
What i do l like about riding a bike is the fact it will be not dependent on any modern technology. That it´s just me and an analogic machine. I understand it´s purpouse but in a modern world, everything is turning electric... allow me to keep my sanity off this technology on an analogic bike.
You mentioned the disappearance of Campagnolo from the pro peloton and shop floors. Shimano and to lesser extent SRAM have the marketing budgets to drown out Campagnolo by throwing more money at pro teams and now also UA-cam channels - not to mention a certain Global cycling channel. As a result Shimano gets massive coverage- how many times have you heard 105 group set of the people, or “I’ve upgraded to Ultegra” or “Durace is the best bar none” for example as if there are no other choices. Occasionally SRAM gets mentioned particularly etap or SRAM red being the lightest. Almost never is Campagnolo mentioned except that it’s quirky or bought only by dentists. This is effectively negative marketing and it’s effective. It’s a shame because Campagnolo have and do produce excellent products. I made the switch more than 20 years ago following my frustration with Shimano durability. I would never go back. But many people especially newer cyclists have no idea that there’s an alternative. Obviously Super Record is not for everyone but what about Chorus as an alternative to Ultegra or Veloce as an alternative groupset for the people? How about some reviews? Might be an eye opener to many even if only the awareness alternatives are out there. It would be a great loss if Campagnolo were to slowly disappear.
I'm really happy for Campy for finally emerging into the 21st century. However... Their entire platform is nothing more than a very 'expected' copy (I won't say stolen) of SRAM/Shimano tech. It is clearly behind-the-power-curve out of the box which goes to show how 'un-Agile' Italian designers truly are. To be sure; it is a miracle that Colnago will continue to exist after UAE bought them. Let's hope they do the same with Campagnolo. If I had to guess; I'd say the Italian bike scene is approaching the conclusion of their long and storied history. (They just can't keep up. And they don't even want to...) Whether it is Campagnolo, Colnago, Bianchi, Cippolini, Cinelli, or what have you; they haven't done anything "innovative" since the bicycle 'Renaissance'. They reach a certain level of prolonged dominance and then they just quit. But isn't that the case with all hegemons? There was a time when Italian bicycle hardware dominated the Pro Peloton. But like all civilizations (be it the Roman Empire of antiquity or the US hegemony of today); they all eventually "go to zero". And that is where we're at with Campagnolo now. No matter how hard they try, Shimano is the new dominant player and SRAM will be 'second fiddle'. And poor Campy will simply fade into irrelevance before vanishing without notice.
I've been on Campagnolo for 40 years. Really sad to see the thumb shifter go away. It was what made Campy stand out and it's just so great. I would assume it is still around on mechanical groups, at least until mechanical goes the way of the dodo. Also... 53 up front or go home. :)
Campagnolo purist here, now maybe a former Campag purist, the thumb shifter is the main reason I used Campagnolo exclusively. Having the buttons separated to different parts of the hand makes a huge ergonomic difference when wearing gloves or when in O2 debt and the brain is shutting off and you need to rely on gross muscle memory. Especially given how hard to find (and expensive!) Campagnolo parts are in the US my next group will likely not be Campagnolo. If I have to pay for inferior shifting design I'm not going to pay a premium.
Sadly different batteries front and rear. One of the more useful design features of SRAM AXS is the ability to put the FD battery (or from a dropper post) on the RD if you've run out of juice.
That's the first thing I noticed. I have Etap and the ability to swap the batteries to get in the right chainring to make it home when one is dead is a savior. I now carry one spare that will work on either front or rear.
Apparently it's a patent issue (lawyers, amirite?). Davide Campagnolo mentioned the design space as "paved with patents".
Yeah since they like to fall off it’s a handy feature. Besides the batteries and dropping chains SRAM is great 😂
@@donjuandeaustria1213 yeah the patent issue is such a big thing on cycling. IIRC it's why Shimano was unable to go full wireless. Shimano also hold a shit load of patents too.😊
How many years do the patent hold ???
That bike is begging for a gold chain.
Indeed!
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That HUGE front mech is the best argument I've ever seen for a single front chainring.
So you want to go 1x just for aesthetics and believe it's a good enough argument?
A 1 by set up is an abomination on a road bike, absolutely horrendous looking with a dinner plate cassette on the back but then I still ride what we used to call a mans bike, 53/39 with 23 as lowest gear on my road bike, I do have a gravel bike also but even that has a double crankset for optimal chain alignment.
@@julianmorris9951 cool story.
@@julianmorris9951 Zzzzzzzzzz...
@@julianmorris9951 And that front derailleur is not an abomination…?
Also, 'a mans bike'? LOL, men who find it necessary to boast about how manly they are, are usually pretty laughable.
I love the aesthetics of the group. The derailleurs in particular look premium and classy. What I don't like, as others have mentioned, is the different batteries for each derailleur. Gone is the opportunity to swap batteries mid-ride if you forget to charge them. I'll be sticking with my eTap for the foreseeable.
Unfortunately I’ve heard this is because SRAM has a patent on using the same batteries on both derailleurs
bulky = premium and classy?!
@@LRG251 🤡
I was a loyal Campy user for 30 years until I got my last road bike. Have always loved campy equipment. Use Chorus, on par with Ultegra. As the electronic shifting trickles down to the lower groups, I may try it again!!!! All Campy stuff is solid and can be rebuilt never just a throw away and replace.
Are you trying to convince someone that some cheap ass electronics is going to be servicable? Yeah sure. Good luck with that.
@@rosomak8244 I have never been a fan of electronic shifting. Sure there are benefits, but I like to be able to fix my own bikes and to troubleshoot on the road any issues. As I mentioned all Campy components of the past could all be fixed, parts replaced, etc. we will have to see the long term outcome of this shifting technology. I was real sad when Shimano no longer has mechanical systems for Ultegra and Dura Ace. Big mistake IMHO, but will have to see how the market shakes out. I am still running mechanical on my latest gravel bike, SRAM Force/Eagle GX mullet build. But I always follow Campy. If you have never ridden their past components..... lots of firsts from that company. Why they have mostly been race focused, at least they are providing options for the everyday rider as well.
One benefit from losing the thumb shifters is it's going to be a hell of a lot easier to roll the hoods up to get to the bolt.
I love the tump shifter
Even as a long time Campy user (30 years - I have first year Ergopower on my 90's Colnago) I have to agree...
@@ianfurqueron5850 Oooh, I have a 90's Colnago too, a Tecnos, which I've got built-up with Record 10 speed. Still my favourite bike to ride!
That front mech housing is about the same size as my carry-on luggage.
Interesting that, in a time when pros are using OS jockey wheels to save watts, manufacturers are moving to smaller rings and cassettes.
1 tooth diff isn't the same across cassettes either. 10 to 11 is 10% increase, 12 to 13 is 8% increase so easier to match to perfect cadence.
Less material - cheaper and lighter
Not just the Pro's the UK TT scene has been adapting larger chainrings for improvements in efficiency for a while. Look at Sram they had to bring out larger rings for their pro's. I think it is probably due to the 'all road' phenomenon, and provides gearing to match. This leaves us amateur racers high and dry - e.g. Shimano only offer Ultegra 12spd with a max ring size of 52 which isn't great for TT's, Tri's and even some crits where a 54(+) can be useful.
That looks like a really neat set. Melds best of Shimano and SRAM. Hope that’s how it rides. Look forward to a road test, David.
Clearly Campy went all in on this group set… hope it works out for them…
Lucky the SR is still offered in Rim brakes 😊❤
I'm imagining winter gloves with those two small paddles. Feeling more attached to my thumb shifter. Hmm.
I'm not sure many people will be using this groupset in winter !
@@leskennedy Judging by the price this is designed for the deserts where oil springs are common.
absolutely outrageous price
53/39 isn’t just for racers. And if you ask most consumers, which no manufacturer seems to do these days, they’d prefer a 14-32 cassette. If anything is “racer only” it’s the 10,11,12,13 tooth sprockets on a 2x drivetrain.
… take the 45/29 crankset, i will
@@frankmeyer1865 I’ll sell you a pair of my all new, cutting edge, glass slippers to match the 45/29 chainrings. They maximise the aero gains of groupset plus rider. 50 watt saving at 15 kmp/h.
Agree Tommy,
Sounds like the very viable mod of the 11-32 Shimano cassette but swap with the Jr cassette 14T and 15T cogs from the 11T and 13T.
@@lordalfa600 hyperglide is potentially a problem, but it should probably work ok alright 😅
appreciate the first look video! Great work :)
Lovely classy bit of build footage in there. Workshop envy. That groupset is quite expensive isn't it 😮
My prayers have been answered. I've always loved Campy. I never had their electric but I loved their Super Record mechanical. I am disappointed about the loss of the of the thumb shifter. I used to down shift from the tops with my pinky finger, but hopefully they will come out with blips because I have them on my SRAM and it's awesome.
I haven't tried this one, nor the previous Campy EPS, but think Campagnolo should stick with their top quality mechanical shifting they've been known for. I have a feeling there'll be a lot of misshifts when riding in the hoods from those similarly feeling buttons right above/below each other and neither would I be convinced to buy this groupset by the enormous front mech, non-swappable batteries between front and rear derailleurs, gear ratios and highly doubt somewhat competitive price.
Should have copied SRAM - right lever for harder- left for easier. Both to change the front. Very easy to do and no need to find the right tiny button.
what a beautiful bike. I have never been a Campag fan, but the new group is really a move in the right direction for them I think. That Willier is Smoke'n
I have mechanical SRecord on one of my bikes, I love using it as it’s so different from Shimano & SRAM. Really not sure about this, I do hope it’s not the beginning of the end for a brand with such a rich and fabulous heritage. Doesn’t SRAM just do the same only better? 😢 Hope I’m very very wrong.
OMG; that bar-tape wrapping technique, loving it. So he starts from the top, interesting.
Contador used to do this, claimed it gave better grip. Still as a pro it's easy to get someone else to rewrap your bars every week.
Wrapping like this will get everything (dirt, sweat) got stucked under the tape. You gonna love it 😋
Great video! Wouldnt mind keep using the thumb shifter as the new solution looks too close for up and down now... weight wise for the groupset what are the numbers?
Really appreciate the extra video time spent on bar tape wrap technique. ❤ Will try it next time I have to replace the tapes.
I'm going to try it as well
it's not a good way to do! It looks very good and clean, but in use you will roll the sides of the bar tape - you have to start at the bottom, though that doesn't look as clean
@@fiddleronthebike Thanks, I was told the same from multiple sources. However, I've been riding for a while (6 months) now with the "reverse" wrap method with Zipp Service Course CX bar tape and it's been working well. Love how clean it looks. I guess I don't torque against the bars as often as the hoods.
@@MazingerZX interesting! I did it many years ago with bad experience, but maybe there are tapes today which can do better with this. The look is great for sure, so I will try it again….
Sorted, upgrade groupset for my Halfords Carrera Virtuoso
Mechanical,keepin it simple stupid is my motto,no batteries to replace ,ever,no motor lock ups,ever,crash's will be expensive also,dont need a phone to fix anything just a screwdriver at most
They should call it SRAMpagnolo. This isn't a criticism. We are already halfway to a SRAMano groupset, and I expect the evolution will be complete within a few years.
No rim brake option. Was hoping to buy it for my old Time RXR.
Was there some gravel dirt riding and crash before it was filmed . Set was filthy.
David cant wait for you to do a comparison between Dura Ace vs Super Record vs SRAM Red…. !!!
Me too! 😎
I am sure there will be a lot of comments about the price and be fair at £4.5k i can see why. You can see why the Chinese groupsets gain so much interest in their development. It would be good to see some European companies challenging the status quo for performance at better value points within cycling as well.
Well for about HALF you have (faster shifting) Dura Ace Di2... still not cheap but I mean... half 😂
The problem is, that cycling gained So much popularity with covid, so as long as people will keep buying these ridicolously priced bikes and parts, they will just increase price. And the other issue is, that you can't buy a bike with chinese groupset on it in normal shop, and not many people are willing to build bike themslefs.
@Alex Michl I think the hyped prices happened before Covid, but the shortages definitely made things worse. Yep though with more Chinese brands having European distributing it is only a matter of time I guess, but Currently a very niche market. I guess the selling less at a higher price has advantages, but with a shrinking middle class in many countries you wonder how sustainable that business model will be in the long run.
@@morrisizing Agreed. Chinese alternatives can't be available soon enough. Right now, it's a widespread money grab by the big players before peak cycling recedes.
@@RepsacZ Where can I get Dura Ace 9200 / 9250 DI2 for any less than 3K? Are you buying used or black market or just no idea about prices?
what we wanna see is the shifting performance, cost and weight stats. i hope to see that in the next vid David 🙏
I hope so too, working hard to make it happen
@@davidarthur ill be tuning in for sure!
Basically they’ve looked at Sram AXS and Shimano Di2 and tried to copy the best of both. The crankset looks like Ultegra, the batteries are a clunky design of AXS. If you’re going to be last to the party you’ve got to leap forward with some innovation… this is set to sit on the shelf I suspect.
Looks great I just hope they release it in record and Chorus looks like they’ve done a great job 🤞😊
EKAR EPS will be great as well.
@@lennartschmidt5385 was thinking the same. I'm sure it won't be too far off.
I really like Campa’s approach to the crank. Interesting that they opted for 29 at the back… seems like a missed opportunity to really bring it to Shimano/SRAM who now (for Shimano) is warming up to the 34’s 😅… 105’s 12 speeds only option (11-34) and even the mighty Dura-Ace now offering the same ⚙️… IMO, 52/36 and bigger should definitely be available for the powerful among you guys, and the industry should gravitate to 50/34 as the new standard (Shimano) and smaller offering already at SRAM and now at Campa… Great direction if you ask me… PS: I had to buy 50/34 to downsize from the 52/36 standard on my Trek Émonda fitted with Ultegra R8000… but kept the 11-30 as had to stop the spending spree.. 🙃 would have loved standard 50/34 with 11-34 out back 😍…
The 45/29 crankset when combined with the 10-29 cassette, will give a 1:1 ratio, same as Shimamo with a 34 compact and 34t cassette.
@@andrewmcalister3462 clearly, but that’s “mountain” territory… I’m talking about the everyday ride in mixed terrain… 29 IMO, is still too small if you’re running 50/34 up front… but maybe that’s just me 😅
Shimano 12 speed has an 11-36 option. That said, Campagnolo SR is still going to have 52/36 & 53/39 options in the range, albeit for mechanical. What will be interesting is whether the mech will handle 11-32 or 11.34 cassettes.....
@@andrewmcalister3462 45-29 with 10-29 is inferior to standard Shimano 50-34 with 11-34. Casette options look totally screwed.
@@Gianniz27 What's your reasoning? (Other than the inefficiency of the 10t cog). Not doubting you, genuinely curious.
My 2 penneth - NEVER liked the old style campy shifter but this new one looks really good tho I've the original ETAP and I like that 🙏😎
That Wilier frameset is a thing of beauty. 😍😍😍
@@inthefieldunderthesky cry about it, these filante frames are some of the best most beautiful frames you can buy, the attention to detail is outstanding on these...
@@larsdohmen6796 Frameset is available to buy 👀
Today i ordered the frame for my last DreamBuild, a Colnago C68. I will mount this group to get something, that is built completely in europe especially in italy. I hope the ride on the C68 will be as smooth, as you discribed in another video, David. Nice Video🎉❤
@charlesmansplaining they are not Made in US, and i am tired about the samelooking mass products of asia. I own a SWORKS Tarmac SL7, it‘s a fantastic bike, but the Italien job has got a Soul. I am now 58 years old, and become an old white man, maybe that’s the reason. But i totally agree with you, my other brand still will be Specialized
@charlesmansplaining sounds like you know what you are speaking of!
Pretty ugly derailleurs, but I could get used to that. The main problem is the move away from the thumb shifter. That's what made Campy Campy. That was the absolute joy of riding and interacting with it. Removing that makes it a way too expensive version of Di2 or eTap, and now there is nothing special about it, as the shifting mechanism has changed. After 20 years with Campy, if their electronic groupsets all go this way, if I ever got an electronic gruppo, it would not be Campy, because now the only thing that separates Campy from the others is the massive price. Thumb shifters or bust. Thankfully, it is still on mechanical.
That thing is huge
After a severe hand injury in 2004, I went to Campag as the thumb shifter worked with the injury. So for me the loss of the Thumb shifter is a loss of its functionality with that hand. No biggy for me as I prefer cable actuated anyway, but anyone with a similar loss of hand motion, may find it unworkable.
God damn. People in the west are so hopeless. Why can't you get some other gears for 20 times less money and some two compound adhesives to glue in an extension knob where you would like to have it done? It's about pulling a wire-line. It will function as good as anything. Get compression less cabling and pre-stretch the cables if you want to improve precision. This is far more of relevance that the levers.
hope they update the ekar with this shifter setup. and wireless
Dave a few weeks ago you showed the new Campy wireless im waiting for your reviews on the actual ride
I'm still waiting for Campagnolo to send me a groupset or bike with it on to ride I'm afraid
Why wouldn't they make the front and rear battery the same? When people die in the small or large ring it would be helpful to swap batteries momentarily to change the ring and move on.
Nice and interesting video, as always, especially, as the media here in Japan hasn’t reported on it much yet.
Btw, I ordered one of your Just Ride Bikes T-shirt back in April but seems its printing has never finished since then for 1.5 months. There maybe some others who are experiencing the same and that’d be a shame if so. It’s good to check on such small things concerning the channel sometimes.
Thanks for ordering a t-shirt! The t-shirt orders are fulfilled by TeeSpring a company that specialises in producing t-shirt designs - delivery can sometimes be a bit slow and I imagine posting the Japan may take a bit longer. It could be worth dropping them an email just to ask how your order is proceeding. Hope it arrives soon!
I prefer my wired EPS with thumb shift button and better looking deraileurs.
this looks like the thing i would want with the classified powershift hub wheels. the carbon cranks and e shifting in a custom non gravel 1x setup on one of the feather weight bikes. could be robust if nothing else more people need to have access to it for viability to be a thing tho. . .
The new design of the hoods looks like it’s easier to wrap bar tape 😮 9:25
Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see mention that the front and rear batteries are not interchangeable.
I knew about the changes for quite the time but I still don't believe Campa actually did it.
That "illigal" bartape wrap though...
No ways, reverse wrap is way more logical to install. And obvs no electrical tape to be seen for aesthetic purposes 😂
@@neilk22 it is considered unsafe
@@feedbackzaloop cant imagine why, but from my experience ive had no issues for years.
Would like to know how is it unsafe or “illegal”? Is the concern about how one might strongly grip and twist the opposite direction of the wrap direction when riding? (This concern applies equally for “traditional” wrapping methods.)
@@MazingerZX true, it's not about if you wrap clockwise or anti-, but how the seam between coils shows. With traditional wrap you slide your hand from stem towards hoods smoothly, with reverse you catch on the ridge. Must be still from the times of cotton tape, when it is unpleasant, destructive to the tape and can cause involuntary handlebar movement 🤷♂️
Or maybe it's just to prevent the tape sliding off alltogether like stockings without garment belt, in case it looses tension over time or gets cut in a crash...
Beautiful bike!😮
Nice Willer Filante…… any update on new Willer
david, when do you reckon you can update with a road test?
That depends on when Campagnolo decide to let me have a groupset or bike with the groupset to test. I've asked they've not replied
It looks nice and all, but fr who'd buy this at that price. Thier lower tier groupsets are most likely gonna be more price than everything else on the market. The worst part of campag is (imo) the low install base, meaning that it's not guaranteed that you'll find replacement parts.
You can bet yours ass that you will not find any replacement parts at all. This thing will be produced as a single relatively small batch in the far east. There will be no incentive to hold a sufficient inventory orto restart any production by the real manufacturer at all.
Awesome group set! Now if they could just bring it to the world at less than $2000 in would be great
I.ride Campa Super Record Electronics, no cabels as in the UA-cam video, for all most 6 Month at my Colnago C68. It’s great and I recomend it 100%.
When the major selling point of your new groupset is that it has copied something that has been on the market for year already. I was really hoping Campag would push us forward. Maybe a better way of having auxiliary switches, better automatic shift, or a method to get you home when the batteries die.
I would wind the tape the other way around to prevent getting loose.
Another disk brake only groupset?
Shimano's newest groupsets still offer rim brakes. As for SRAM, I'm not yet sure if the Force AXS can use the Force eTap AXS's dual-control levers that's designed for mechanical brakes.
This is like a death knell for campy, ekar was pretty poor but this is gonna be their toughest sell....imo obvs
😲😲😲😲😲THE PRICE IS RIDICULOUS!😲😲😲😲😲
this will probably cost 1.5 kidneys💸
Thoughtful and insightful… Thank you so much for weighing in
@@knbstonehalf, or whole brain
It does, indeed. 4.499 GBP 😢
And a lung ;)
Is that a Campy OE quick link or is the mechanic running a KMC or other with the Campy 12sp chain?
New groupset now comes with a supplied quick link, so no more pins needed!
@@ride247 Thanks for the detail, I assume that applies to all 12sp chains now as well. That's a small but nice improvement.
Not seeing much to gazump Shimano or Sram. For me only having a max cassette range of 11-29 is off-putting. Despite the choice of 3 front crank sizes I would prefer to have the choice of an 11-32 on back at least.
Aside from that it's a great groupset
the gear range has not improved. We have now 10-29 (a bit under 1:3) and before 11-34 (a bit over 1:3). And btw, the Campagnolo 11-34 has the best gradation of all 11-34 cassettes; imo the step to 10-29 (following SRAM) is a mistake because the smaller the cassettes are getting, the bigger is a 1-tooth-step - 10 to 11 is a bigger step than 11 to 12, and especially with the small kogs it matters. Other than that it is a beautiful group set - as most of Campagnolo since many years
Campagnolo builds excellent mechanical groupsets when it comes to electronics what can we expect?
Parts from China or more precise Asia, is what you can expect. No consumer electronics is manufactured in europe or the US.
Sure looks nice and a visual improvement from the last Campy groupset. Naturally the two p's, pricing along with performance will play an important role in the overall success.
Cool video and really nice looking new wireless Super Record,it looks similar to Di2.💯👌🏻
Campagnolo used to make the most beautiful metal components, and the top-end gruppos were polished like jewels. Not sure why I would pay these prices for the same black carbon fiber that everyone else uses
Are those Hyperon wheels? Quite scarce. The cost of campag is just not justifiable, and removing all the quirks of a thumb shifter and oddly shaped hood means it’s got nothing for its fans to justify the outlay for.
Not the only group in the UK for sure.
That's a very nice frame
Wrapping the bars starting at the top rather than the norm starting at the bar plug end 🤔🤔
I don't mind to buy bikes with DuraAce or Sram AXS Red, but $5,399/£4,499 is too much 🤦♂
Great video David, Could you tell me if that is a Campy chain ? I noticed the locking mechanism like Scram and Shimano use so I surmised it is one of them. I figure the only thing they did not improve on was the price tag !!!
New Campy chain. They switched from just a pin.
@@Unwavering137 I bought the chain tool a couple of years ago because I didn't think at the time, there was a quick link for Campy. I have a chorus 12 speed as well. What quick link do you use please ?
@@Unwavering137 Yeah. I never bought that tool. I've always used a $15 park tool to pop the pin in and out. Never had any problems. (*touch wood) Currently on two sets of Record 12 and have ridden Campy on and off since 9sp. I've just always been careful using standard chain tools.
@@kalanihines do you use a quick link ?
@@gregfisher216 Nah. If I remember correctly I did use one on 10sp. But, I dont plan on taking the chain off except to put a new one on so I dont really bother with it. But, if I heard correctly, KMC one works. I guess you'd want to take it off to do the wax treatment?
Have to say it looks a lot prettier in the video than on the first pics I saw 😅
❤❤❤ I would have to pull out a load to buy any of the top group sets but I do lock them❤
Oh no! They took away my thumb shifter. I love the thumb shifter.
Just my $.02 but it doesn't look like the shift selectors are very ergonomic, in that you need to adjust your hand position to reach the lower paddle. That's horrible!
Why handle bar tape starting from the top!
Hey David, the derailleurs don't look aero, so I guess fast riders won't be riding them
Fookin gorgeous
Well, be honest. How often do you use the 10 tooth sprocket?? Not to often I think. Because you have to go way over 50km/h on that gear. So it just don’t matter in the real word how much the loosing on a 10 tooth sprocket is.
Point is, u loose in all the gears with the 45 "big" ring, what most amateurs need in mountains. Casette options are totally wrong. (10-29 max).
Only 0.1w penalty on the 10t? I think they first decided the result then came up with a test to produce it. Or didn't even bother and just lied.
What i do l like about riding a bike is the fact it will be not dependent on any modern technology. That it´s just me and an analogic machine. I understand it´s purpouse but in a modern world, everything is turning electric... allow me to keep my sanity off this technology on an analogic bike.
Real shame the didn't make a rim break version did not expect this from Campy. Unfortunately they lost a customer.
You mentioned the disappearance of Campagnolo from the pro peloton and shop floors. Shimano and to lesser extent SRAM have the marketing budgets to drown out Campagnolo by throwing more money at pro teams and now also UA-cam channels - not to mention a certain Global cycling channel. As a result Shimano gets massive coverage- how many times have you heard 105 group set of the people, or “I’ve upgraded to Ultegra” or “Durace is the best bar none” for example as if there are no other choices. Occasionally SRAM gets mentioned particularly etap or SRAM red being the lightest. Almost never is Campagnolo mentioned except that it’s quirky or bought only by dentists. This is effectively negative marketing and it’s effective. It’s a shame because Campagnolo have and do produce excellent products. I made the switch more than 20 years ago following my frustration with Shimano durability. I would never go back. But many people especially newer cyclists have no idea that there’s an alternative. Obviously Super Record is not for everyone but what about Chorus as an alternative to Ultegra or Veloce as an alternative groupset for the people? How about some reviews? Might be an eye opener to many even if only the awareness alternatives are out there. It would be a great loss if Campagnolo were to slowly disappear.
Just bought the entire groupset (with BB and rotors) for 3600 EUR…brand new… this is reasonable-ish for a high end groupset….
Amazing
nice looking shop.
SRAM and Shimano might as well call it a day 😂 apparently it doesn’t work that great 😬
I'm really happy for Campy for finally emerging into the 21st century. However... Their entire platform is nothing more than a very 'expected' copy (I won't say stolen) of SRAM/Shimano tech. It is clearly behind-the-power-curve out of the box which goes to show how 'un-Agile' Italian designers truly are. To be sure; it is a miracle that Colnago will continue to exist after UAE bought them. Let's hope they do the same with Campagnolo. If I had to guess; I'd say the Italian bike scene is approaching the conclusion of their long and storied history. (They just can't keep up. And they don't even want to...) Whether it is Campagnolo, Colnago, Bianchi, Cippolini, Cinelli, or what have you; they haven't done anything "innovative" since the bicycle 'Renaissance'. They reach a certain level of prolonged dominance and then they just quit. But isn't that the case with all hegemons? There was a time when Italian bicycle hardware dominated the Pro Peloton. But like all civilizations (be it the Roman Empire of antiquity or the US hegemony of today); they all eventually "go to zero". And that is where we're at with Campagnolo now. No matter how hard they try, Shimano is the new dominant player and SRAM will be 'second fiddle'. And poor Campy will simply fade into irrelevance before vanishing without notice.
Cheap toy actuators on batteries are not an invention at all.
Nice bar tape wrapping..
why would you not make the derailleur batteries interchangeable like sram, thats a huge letdown..
Because of SRAM patent.
The charging Port just exposed without no cover..??
I can't express how disappointed I am in the lack of thumb shifters. 😭
Are they licensing from SRAM? Seems to be some patent infringement going on.
I love campy but the price for this grounp is just too much for me. USD 6500
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