Neal Theise - What is Enlightenment?
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
- Enlightenment is the claimed higher mental states that characterize various Eastern religious and philosophical traditions. Such enlightenment is usually achieved through kinds of meditative practices. While there is no doubt that deep and protracted mediation can alter normal conscious states, is there any real reach to ultimate reality?
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Neil Theise, MD is a diagnostic liver pathologist and adult stem cell researcher in New York City, where he is Professor of Pathology and of Medicine at the Mount Sinai Beth Israel of Icahn School of Medicine.
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Enlightenment is a consistent state of active awareness. When what you want and what you want to want line up, you're there.
There are many philosophical definitions of enlightenment, but only a direct experience of non-duality will shake our world and reveal something totally new, yet most intimate.
My eyes are so bad every step I take brings enlightenment...
This gentleman has developed genuine wisdom. Well said!
I believed I understood Enlightenment like this as a Buddhist some decades ago, However, since then I have moved on to develop a personal relationship with the Divine through Jesus and I'm now told what to do by the Holy Spirit. Several years ago I asked The Divine for some simple guidance on how I should live my life without having to study the whole Bible (because there are so many honest yet diverse Jewish and Christian interpretations of the same text), and I was 'channelled' the Guidelines of Problacism. My wonderful life since then has taken on a completely different and amazing perspective and I live a totally fulfilled life without any anxieties, worries or fear. 'Rational' people say '...they will believe it when they see it' - they end their life having never seen 'It'! Unfortunately for most people, you have to believe in the Divine and the Trinity BEFORE you start to know and understand how everything works.
This guy seems so comfortable with himself. He seems to have granted himself complete acceptance.
Acceptance granted! 😊
phych-meds. probably a lot of them.
That is the only thing that really matters in the end, doesn't it? How much difference will it really make if one is able to understand the true working of this 🌎 the universe etc, and compare it to the one who doesn't understand it and is happy for what he believes I'm to be true. In the end all is star dust
@@maazasad4618 I like, "... is happy for what he believes..." Those are deep words.
@@coffeefish no kidding
Yes, enlightenment is the realization of simultaneous unity and diversity.
That would make a very confused person.
Except if you know how to be alone with everybody else, but not many people can.
4:52 - “Too see a World in a grain of sand and Heaven in a wild flower. Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand and and Eternity in an hour.”
“A robin readbreast in a cage
Puts all of heaven in a rage” ✌🏻
Fascinating and great episode. You can view things from many perspectives and many heights, you can also live that way. Will watch this one again for sure.
I never looked at it like that.. a moment of enlightenment 💪👍👏👏 thank you
Excellent. "Seamlessness" is a great description of non-duality. However, an Awakened person can live in this world serving others, living by the Golden Rule, etc., but simultaneously not take it seriously, personally or as real.
Nice! That description of the flock of birds fairly describes my own "spiritual experience". Whatever that means. Either way, it seems to be there as a perspective and I like that he honors both gestalts.
I started with "Three Pillars of Zen" as well. One of the best introductions to Zen.
“Closer to Truth”…Indeed! Thank you for these videos.
We are already enlightened. We are not interested in it, because we are not interested in being simple, easy and true. We want to become something rather than just be ourselves. In being ourselves we are living, but we don't want to just live, we want more than just living. Our minds are naturally silent if we just be ourselves, but we want more. Nature in itself has its own order and it is easy to be oneself but religion, society is always telling us to be something other than what we are. This creates hurt in us and we suffer.
.“I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.” - Lily Tomlin (she has enlightenment)
The Source, such an amazing novel.
Greate interview and very good straight question on the end by Robert 👍👍
At the moment of enlightenment a paradigm shift occurs. Then, the lens through which you "see" (perceive) the world suddenly shifts. Its like the Necker Cube illusion, where the drawing of a cube appears to have the box oriented open to the "left" but, when you blink again, you suddenly see it shift and appear to open to the "right" as well. Once you see (perceive) the optical illusion you can easily shift between left/right orientation at will. So it is with enlightenment. Once you "see" (perceive) the world in a completely different way, you can forever move (toggle) between the two "worlds" (mental paradigms). There is the old Zen saying "Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood carry water." Nothing outwardly changes in your life after enlightenment. You live your life in the physical world the same way as before. Only now you have a permanent smile on your face. Your inner life, your mental world is the thing thst changes. Your perception, how you "see" the world changes. You have "realised" that, although the world is "physically real" it isn't at it "appears" on the surface. You need to be very careful at this point. The yoga sutras speak of the "beings of light" that will begin to visit you to have conversations with you and fool you. These beings come from other dimensions and have nefarious intentions. They are not your spirit guides, but dark forces you have allowed into your mind by having invited them in when you opened the "portal" to the 4th level of awareness (called turiya in yoga). Be very careful. Tread very carefully. These ancient techniques actually work but you can accidentally wind up living in a very dark place and living with entities that wish you harm. Just like Pandora's Box, once this portal is opened it cannot be closed. When you are visited by these beings of light, do NOT stop to entertain them, talk to them, ask them questions or ask for psychic powers from them. They WILL give you these powers in you're not paying attention. Many people stop at this level and make money from their new found psychic powers. I'm warning you not to do this. It will be very tempting and hard to resist using the powers (called "siddhis" in yoga) but you absolutely must. This olane of existence where these beings of light live is not your final destination. The beings want to distract you from going any further, any deeper. If you can resist them, ignore the psychic powers they give you, you will enter deeper levels of awareness and eventually experience God Himself.
Mr. Kuhn has always had a very good taste choosing sweaters.
(apart from being a great scientist)
Finally something of interest.
Robert - your interview technique has developed tremendously and is now so impressive - I really enjoy watching your films.
Enlightenment comes down to understanding your nature to the extent that you understand how to live. It can be summed up as living morally. But to a great extent, living morally - being a loving and thinking person - will lead you to enlightenment. Love thy neighbour and think for yourself.
By the time you find yourself, you're somebody else.
Keep pressing I think your getting there. No separation to become something IMO
I agree, enlightenment perhaps is ALWAYS about the ability to see the same things in more than one way, like William Blake's fourfold vision. Then you're forced to realize you can only see what is already inside the self (even if as intuition), and the self can bias perception, like the quote "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Then you have to consider withdrawing the projections and taking responsibility of perception and judgment as your own reflections, and then a better chance to see what is really there.
Or like the poem Shadow Play:
Shadows are illusions, but they can point the way to the light.
Light is not the source, but its messenger.
The eyes yet blind, but the mind reflects and inner light see.
The Yin Yang perspective of 'Closer to Truth' is that you have to be farther away to get closer and that the Closer perspective is as true, or false, as the Distant perspective.
“Maybe they touch”
Where does the shadow end and the light begin? Where does the material end and opening begin to create a slit?
Great advice.
Closer to truth indeed
Min. 06:50, it's so simple, yet incomprehensible.
Interesting, isn't it?🙂
Excellent.... thanks 🙏.
Non-duality recognized and explained well.
Isn't that moment described in Zen as Satori? It's not enlightment, but a glimpse.
The bridge that can be spoken is not a working bridge. That said; blueprints are helpful when building a bridge.
Amazing what one book can do
I don’t know why I keep looking for something I’ve had my entire life…
When Beings realize that it is them self,
they see in mirror, might the first step
of enlightenment, even it is mystic.
Birds is the first group, to have such experiences.
But You can't See your Self in mirror, only the body.
So, there is many steps on the road to Enlightenment.
a Major Enlightenment, Mile-Stone, is when You 'See' your Self,
understand that You are the 'Steady Point', as Can't be Seen,
Only Known, The Arch to the Eternal Life.
Excellent vid!
Check out a video/movie called "Words of my Perfect Teacher", much more great information on the subject.
Nailed it
Enlightenment is thus-
If most things in Space are travelling anywhere from hundreds to thousands of miles per hour, in some cases per second, but to us from our perspective most things "look" relatively stationary, that is because we already move at the speed of light.
We are made out of Photons. Photons are particles of light.
I agree, but I might add that we are SOUL, a Divine Being, wearing a body of photons. Your thoughts?
@@moranplano 100% agree with you. All things come from the Source, which a lot of us are interpreting as the collective Consciousness.
@@zaw2654 There is no collective consciousness beyond human social instinct.
But there are only so many ways you can form all the words and symbols you have learned into meaningful concepts. It's a giant number of possibilities, but not infinite, therefore there is something like the total amount of stuff and ideas we can describe with languages. Consciousness this is not, only possibilities, chances and corruption.
@@xspotbox4400 Wrong.
@@zaw2654 Wrong what?
Thats a question for someone who is Enlightened.
If I were a teacher, this would would be Unacceptable.
Science and spirituality will finally touch each other at the level of the quantum, but resting on their backs facing the opposite sides like a North,South pole as if merged closely. They will talk about the same thing forever diverged, but make peace ultimately..
How can you define an illogical thing logically which is to be witnessed experientially only and by nature designed to produce varied experience?
Real enlightenment is a state of consciousness that goes along with changes in body and mind. There must be certain brain patterns that will be recognizable. The experience is like a silent visitor undetached in the unlimited field of consciousness, even during sleep, while activity continous, but accompanied by this silent base which is aware of itself at all times. Being aware in deep sleep is a sign in this direction of inner awakening.
Well, there isn't. Seriously, many people wasted a lot of time, performed all kinds of measurements and weird experiment, nobody has found such a thing. Scientists generally agree there's no need for supernatural explanations anyway, it's all easy to understand without involving any superstition, and psychological phenomena can also be proven.
You can be understand what is Pain provided if you can understand what is pleasure, as pain and pleasure are the two sides of a coin…
Understand and can let’s go all of good& bad and can stay on top of them, it’s an enlightenment. ( it’s many levels of enlightenment)
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices sorry I did my best. My bad .
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices “Understand and let go of all concepts of “good” and “bad” and stay in a state of neutral awareness of all - this is enlightenment (one level/aspect of it at least)”
@@magicpotion8, what do you mean by "ENLIGHTENMENT"?
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🐟 17. THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN SPIRITUAL AWAKENING, LIBERATION, & ENLIGHTENMENT:
AWAKENING:
Any person who has experienced a state of cosmic awareness can rightly be called a “buddha” (a Sanskrit/Pali term for “an awakened being”). During such TEMPORAL experiences (that is, they begin at some point in time and then end at a subsequent point in time, even if at the time of death), there is usually an apparent dissolution of the subject-object dichotomy, or at least a radical shift in one’s perception of life. In the most profound awakening experience, the perceiver, the perceived, and the perceiving, mystically unify (“advaita anubhava”, in Sanskrit).
Awakening means to clearly see that one’s persona is but a character in a dream of The Absolute, and that one is essentially that Flawless Awareness. Therefore, it is not to be taken literally - that the person wakes from the “Cosmic Dream” in the same way that a human wakes from a night dream. It simply implies that the person realizes that he/she is one of the multitude of dream CHARACTERS, and that individual free-will was purely an illusion. When one experiences a night dream, one usually identifies with only one particular character (for example, “last night, I dreamed that I played chess with the prince”). However, all the characters in one's dream originate in the very same mind. Similarly, the living creatures in this universe are naught but characters in the “Mind of God”, to put it in theistic terms.
During such awakenings, one experiences the non-conceptual state, which is somewhat akin to the state of equanimous mind or "steady-mind" (“samādhi”, in Sanskrit). However, samādhi is usually a far longer-term state of being, normally arising after lengthy periods of practice.
Spiritual awakening is a relatively common phenomenon. In fact, there are most probably MILLIONS of persons currently on earth who have experienced some kind of awakening, where they directly perceive themselves to be more than a mere body-mind complex. The experience can be either totally spontaneous, or it can follow many decades of intense spiritual practice (“sādhanā”, in Sanskrit). However, there is no direct causal link between religious practices and awakening experiences, despite what most religionists (“sādhaka”, in Sanskrit) believe.
It is common for newly-awakened persons to CONFUSE and conflate relative and absolute truth. That is to say, when neophyte buddhas speak of relative concepts, they invariably use absolute terms. This is colloquially known as the “spiritual side-step” or as “spiritual bypassing”.
For instance, they may make such statements as: “You don't exist”; “Nothing ever happened”; “There is no right or wrong”; “Everything and/or everyone is equal”; “I am not my body”; “We are One”; and “I am you, and you are me”. Hopefully, such persons will come to see that there is no need to speak about everything from the Absolute perspective. Verily, it is unbeneficial to the persons with whom they are conversing (unless, of course, those third persons are thoroughly deluded materialists, who are unable to see beyond the physical realm).
Awakening to one’s true nature does NOT automatically promote one to being a saint, since one’s unique characteristics, flaws and obsessions may perdure. There is an abundance of evidence that awakening experiences can be induced simply by the administration of certain hallucinogenic drugs, so to claim that one is exceptionally remarkable just for being a buddha, is rather conceited.
Unfortunately (for spiritual-seekers), there is a multitude of awakened or partially-awakened persons who mistakenly believe that they are somehow enlightened masters, and proceed to embark on a teaching career.
The fact is, practically every one of these BOGUS “gurus” are afflicted with a narcissistic, demonic mentality, bereft of morality, and ought to be exposed and denounced for the fraudsters that they are.
As will be very succinctly explained in forthcoming chapters of this Holy Scripture, it is the sacred duty of members of the Priesthood ALONE to disseminate religious/spiritual knowledge throughout society (or to be more accurate, teach seminarians and the leader of the government, who in turn teach other men, who in turn teach their own subordinates). Simply attaining a “spiritual state”, even with the benefit of a vast body of knowledge, does not automatically confer authority on a person to become a spiritual master (“guru”, in Sanskrit). There is, in fact, an enormous gulf between the two (that is, between an awakened non-priest working as a spiritual teacher, and an enlightened spiritual master).
Most persons would undoubtedly disapprove of a person stealing the property of another, yet think nothing of a working-class chap or a mere woman performing the function of a priest (“brāhmaṇa”, in Sanskrit). The fact is, when any person (other than a priest/guru) assumes the role of a spiritual leader, he or she is quite LITERALLY stealing the occupation of a priest. The phrase “The blind leading the blind” is pertinent here.
By understanding the entirety of this “Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, it shall assist one in the discernment necessary to distinguish an actual spiritual master from a person who may superficially seem to be a wise and holy teacher by the masses, yet is, in fact, a charlatan.
Unfortunately, only a wise sage can identify his peers, so it requires a genuine prophet to recognize which spiritual teachers are ACTUAL masters. Nevertheless, as a general rule, at least ninety-nine per cent of those giving spiritual precepts to society, are unqualified to do so (see Chapter 20 to know the prerequisites for a member of the Holy Priesthood. Despite what many believe, priests are not at all ordinary men).
LIBERATION:
“Liberation” means “freedom”. Thus, a liberated soul is a person who has become emancipated from the five kinds of suffering (blame, shame, pride, regrets/expectations, and anxiety), all of which are based on the belief in personal AGENCY. Read Chapter 15 to understand the nature of suffering, and Chapter 11 to understand that humans are not independent agents with freedom of will.
Awakening experiences are not a prerequisite to being liberated from suffering.
LIKEWISE, not all liberated persons are automatically enlightened (at least not to the degree necessary in order to be labelled as such), but there is a strong correlation between the two states of being. It's possible to be liberated, whilst not possessing a deep understanding of life.
A liberated person is scarce, because very few understand the true nature of suffering, and of those who do understand the distinction between psycho-physical pain and ACTUAL (psychological) suffering, it is difficult to surrender to one's circumstances, free of obsessive thinking and judging. Liberated souls are usually those who have diligently practiced one of the four systems of yoga described in Chapter 16.
Cont...
As Alan Watts put it, “enlightenment” is an expansion in common sense awareness. It’s something obvious but overlooked when we learned our ABCs and 123s: “For every inside there’s an outside. For every outside there’s an inside.” You can’t have one without the other. No more, say, can we have a front without a back. We can’t have a one sided coin. One hand can’t clap. Explicitly two, implicitly one.
Can't have a tree falling without it making noise.
In the traditional Buddhist view enlightenment is the experience of someone who has eradicated Greed, Hate, and delusion in themselves. Such a person would be very peaceful and happy since the roots of suffering in them would be gone. It is also the view that the self is a delusion, so it's not that the universe is the self, the whole premise is flawed and deluded. Imagine seeing that your own mind is fully conditioned, it's just a stream of causes coming together. How would a self be any different from the wind blowing through the leaves or water flowing downhill, if this were the case? There would not be anyone there, aside from the feeling that one is, which would be dissolved by seeing this.
So people must experience all the worst and most selfish motional states first, then judge their own behavior from an enlightened perspective. We call that growing up, good parents cultivate and educate their children before they reach puberty. So they never became poorly developed personalities, therefore no need for Buddhism or any other ideology.
Then the salient inquiry I would propose would be all about finding out whether or not that awakening (or ''enlightenment'') is also the result and product of our own thought processes conditioned by countless of factors. Because is that is the case, then that's not awakening.. it still self-deception..
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Neil Theise
Read, Kant! He answered this question 250 years ago.
What is enlightenment? - Immanuel Kant
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Is it wrong that I listen to this kind of thing like hinduism/budhism and read everything I can find on the subject/s and yet never practice it?
Nothing is wrong! Pick a practice and try for 15 minutes per day. Read the recipe but do prepare the food and then don't forget to eat!
Listening and reading are practices too. Only you know how to live your life best.
When one turns the light on in a dark room
What is meditation, it's something our minds do naturally, since forever.
People think meditation is part of religion or ideology, involving souls, supernatural force s and such, but it's way more simple and pure than that. It's only where our alert mind goes when we let go control and make it forget about material body, nothing more and nothing less. Everybody can learn meditation in 15 minutes, it's that simple.
But mental states can also be heavily manipulated and enhanced, this is what we call trance. Those transcendental states of mind are very useful for indoctrination, people can become perceptive to various suggestions, they begin to follow rituals and join ideological groups, share collective hallucinations and believe anything, usually with help of drugs. That is not a meditation.
There are various traditions and teachings, some are thousands of years old and some can be modern, none of them is practicing pure meditation, they all want to indoctrinate and subordinate their followers. How could any ancient knowledge or practice still be useful today, intellectuals are not fools, if anything was useful or interesting, they already did researches and analyzed phenomenology. What was useful is now sold in rehabilitation centers or part of relaxation programs, rest was discarded as BS and gibberish.
This is not a meditation.
I actually believe what Theise is saying, but only to a certain expend. You can meditate about physics, trying to imagine how quantum could feel like, alternatives spaces, guide your mind towards creative ideas and such. But this has nothing to do with Zen or any other traditional practice. When a meditative mind doesn't need to deal with realities and biological sensory perceptions, there's more brain powers available for complex visualizations and problem-solving. Like that example he was mentioning, what do we see, two faces or two crack pots facing each other, none of them is correct. What we actually see is an optical illusion, designed that way deliberately. First is an illusion, how we experience it is another matter, there could be people who can't see faces or vases, only a stupid abstract painting. Enlightenment is in a way why and how illusions works, how our minds get confused by clever manipulations, awareness those phenomena exist is useful for creative thinking.
Your comment is just words without meaning.
"Enlightenment is in a way and why and how illusion works"
Where do they teach that bullshit?
@@S3RAVA3LM It's not BS if you say it's BS, you know you're not very smart.
What is wrong with that idea, only idiots take things for granted or trust some superstitious nonsense.
@@S3RAVA3LM Could be, but since i can understand my concepts pretty well, it must be your mind got broken somehow.
science and the source cannot meet...the source is the science & everything...you can't accumulate data about the source 😊...you can't look outside yourself for it...because you are source energy😊
Enlightenment is the giving up of the idea that this world is real
And abide in the pure consciousness
Tell that to a Voltaire.
Why didn't you go to India, country of origin of this concept, and ask the spiritual practitioners there, rather than asking a Westerner who is Jewish and also practices Buddhism?
In Islam "englihtenment" is simply one in the state of consciously knowing that oneself is a created being (who has body and soul), one Creator (The Almighty God namely Allah) and the purpose of being created (so live to serve one's Creator that is to love and worship Him, and to love and do good deeds to all His creations, as prescribed by one's Creator, sincerely without any string attach). That is to say to live as a Muslim-believer living on a straight path guided by alQuran and aSunnah (the Prophet Muhammad SAW teachings)
Everybody has a mama and a papa.
Love is what we experience when thinking abut mother, own child or when looking at a beautiful, healthy young girl. But not to young, like when Mohammed felt about Aisha, that's a perverted sensation of love, experienced as unhealthy sexual attraction to kids. It's not love, but a sign of repressed sexuality, he probably couldn't get over some bad teenage frustrations.
Enlightenment is in recognizing own psychology, emotions and reason about general ethics, so disturbed people can go to therapy and get proper treatment. There's no reason for an old man to marry a child in a modern world, we can all live better now and bring about healthy future generations, we want girls to grow up in women who were not destroyed at a very young age and can contribute to common society as equals.
You will not find that in the Quran, but deep down you know I'm right. Look at girls in western countries, they can walk around dressed as models, looking like little angles, but nobody wants to touch them or make them feel threatened in any way., We want them to be free and joyful because they're the most beautiful creatures in the whole wide universe, they make everything look better. This is how we show respect to our human nature, girls will become women and healthy woman can become a good mother, giving birth to good people, them making a better society for all.
@@xspotbox4400 Child marriage was common in the West, so you cannot apply 21st century standards to 1500 years old customs.
chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primarysources&source=24
@@xspotbox4400 Marrying young girl isn't a prerequisite in Islam for one's salvation.
@@xspotbox4400 Do you believe in a religion, what it is?
@@rizwanrafeek3811 No, but it was a personal trait of a prophet, so he must have done something right, ha? Wrong, read my comment again.
the Buddha wrote about ultimate truth for some not all its not for me way too complex I am a simple meditator a reductionist you might say, its getting to a point of bliss in the other direction through the heart not the head we may end up at the same place but I dont think so.
Keep in mind: Before enlightenment, walk the doggies and wash the dishes; after enlightenment, walk the doggies and wash the dishes.
Gregorian Calendar= 2021.
Holocene Calendar= 12,021.
Maya Prophecy= 12/21. 2021.
The whole "2012" prediction was a misinterpretation.
kids should be at school at this hour
@@francesco5581 Why not research what I'm saying before commenting ignorantly?
Slow down a bit and remember to love family and friends.
Time Theory
You are a Time Mechanic!
Time lines - Infinity - all information
What is the universe?
The universe consists of pure - Information - is the universe.
What is information?
One bit of information is a technology
Two bits of information create a new independent information- a new information structure
What are atoms or matter?
Structures of information or better, technologies!
One technology = one individual atom
Two technologies make a new technology
A - new structure made up of two inner technologies or structures. Itself is a technology. Independent
What is mathematics?
Information interactions - creating new information / or interactions between set technologies (From & too infinity)
What is time?
Time is Information - interacting to create a order. A sense of entropy is the ordering of the information interactions - creating new technologies and technologies sets.
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I think there is purpose to our existence and that purpose is to learn the art of creation; not to destroy our Creator's version.
We are not a planet, not made from stone, we must become way better than physical forces responsible for emergence of the universe. We can think, nature can not, our creative imagination is not limited by anything but physics and general ethics.
When we die, the bones in our skeleton get forged over time into a layer of the Earth, as stone,
@@chyfields Some of it yes, not all became fossilized.
@@xspotbox4400 Where else do all your bones go if not into the ground?
@@chyfields Not many people get buried in a coffin these days, there's no space, and it's also a question of hygiene, also bones rot, they are not permanent material, nothing is.
If one claims enlightenment is a higher state, then you have brought in the notion of comparison, which is violence - then it is not enlightenment. A wise man once said..be a light to yourself.
This is the only way to truth.....as truth has no path. if something has a path such as a belief...then it is fixed and unable to change. And belief has no place where truth is concerned. change is necessary. If he says he is enlightened...i question that.
To be enlightened is also being able to do what is right. That's a very hard decision every individual must take for himself, sometimes we must engage in a violent fight, to prevent the worst.
@@xspotbox4400 no sir. Enlightenment has its own insight. That insight informs every action eliminating wrong decision. where there is choice there is wrong decision. To be enlightened eliminates choice.
@@tonysales3687 Are you sure you're not talking about that wisdom nonsense?
Enlightenment can be just a word, could mean some spiritual practices or the sensation people experience when they come up with some bright idea.
Then there's also political enlightenment, like what was happening in Europe when intelligent and well-educated people begin doubting religious authorities and even kings. Without that movement, the entire world would still get stuck in dark medieval ages. And it was not a single idea, but how people actually live and reason about stuff, everything has changed and now humanity has a chance to build better societies, after religion was banned from all positions of power and decision-making.
@@xspotbox4400 it is almost impossible to talk about enlightenment in a youtube chat as much can be misconstrued. And also if we were talking face to face it would be with total dignity and respect. here is a link to this complex problem if you care to watch. stay well.
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French singer Mélanie Georgiades who suffered 5 years of depression and mental health problems, she was hospitalized and was kept on medications, but all gone in five minutes of Islamic prayer, it was a miracle in the broad day light. This is true enlightenment.
Ah, that BS modern media is selling these days, you are not so dumb to believe anything they say, are you?
Or let me ask you the other way around, why would anybody tell their own intimate secrets to a corrupt press, specially in countries where women are treated as a domesticated stock. Where are other women, sure many must share same experiences or not, why don't you read stories where things didn't go the way they supposed to. Perhaps because there are none in religious countries, indoctrinated media works like a propaganda machine, they hide the truth and lie about individuals, exposed as ideal role models.
Perhaps this is a way of explaining it, that would make sense to a scientist. (Leave out the 'e' word for a second. It's too overloaded with superlative connotations.). The goal of meditation is to see through the thinking mind. This is the realm of concepts and linguistics.
There is another layer of mind that is closer to "raw experience". This is not to say it is "fundamental" in any deep ontological sense. It is what it is. From this perspective, one can see how much of one's thoughts, beliefs, sense of self, "life" and "death", "born" and "unborn", wanting to make sense of things, is "constructed", "arbitrary", ... The world, existence, is the way it is ... apart from our concepts.
(Also, leave out the metaphysics. Just more speculation. As for science, this is a different discipline, different endeavor.)
There is absolutely no evidence for enlightenment, chakras, samadhi, kundalini and such.
It’s time for real scientific skepticism (definitely not this channel) to tackle enlightenment with more skepticism….
There is overwhelming evidence for these things. Most people who practice eastern spirituality has had experiences relating to these terms. Do you think ideas like these came from thin air? But since it's all subjective experience and not something that can be tested in a scientific setting it's not something that the average westerner can accept easily. But believe me if you engage in this kind of practice with an open mind and some effort put in you too will have such experiences.
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- you said more than overwhelming evidence, but mentioned only anecdotal one.
- No, most of people who practice eastern spirituality do no experience enlightenment. Even spiritual gurus will agree on this. I’ll go further though and say none of them do.
It’s all wishful thinking and a bunch of cognitive biases.
- yes I have been there and done that for many years. With effort and open mind like you say.
The fact that this channel is doing exactly what you are criticising me for is the only reason I wrote my comment: it’s giving a Western approach on Eastern spirituality by discussing science and spirituality all together and bringing science researchers to talk about their religious (spiritual) background.
- The only and real way to be open minded is to become a true scientific skeptic and critical thinker.
- All the best bro. Thank you for engaging in the debate.
History of Europe talks about Age of Enlightenment, it was a very important period in history that gave rise to a modern world and secularism.
What would constitute evidence for samadhi?
It's never the highly inclined intellectual man, theoretical scholar, or scientist who ever reaches the pinnacle of enlightenment, but is the man of no culture, mental constructs, ego, the one who Iives in the country side, a place of harmony both in nature and mind, and is a Shepard who attains what's most treasured Spiritually.
And is the most obvious when you view what these "experts" claim.
What good is a scholar when they themselves cannot experience the teachings. Only reading about it is not what a teaching is.
Do not be ministers of the letter.
What good are scientists who've completely are spiritually inept.
Consciousness and the levels therein, science cannot take you to.
I agree completely. His Quantum Enlightenment seems like a fine baseline, but what about finding ENLIGHTENMENT in the HIGH HEAVENS OF GOD...? For that, I feel, one must look to the True Mystics who can school one in the LIGHT AND SOUND OF GOD. Blessings...
If everybody lived in woods, not many people would be alive, and they would all die before age of 40.
The Talmud is more Kabbalistic than the Zohar in my opinion. Judaism is so complete in revealing God, if a seeker can't find light in Kabbalah, it won't be found anywhere else.
Could it be God doesn't exist and nobody can find a thing that doesn't exist? I figured that out myself, also when watching all those pathetic religious people wasting their lives for something not even them believe deep down.
@@xspotbox4400 Maybe I shouldn't use the word God, it confuses people.
"When the one become two, what will you do?" The important transposition is to community: a community in truth *is* "the son of man". We are the vehicle of God's grace, by *our* love and unerstanding.
There is no we in me and I.
@@xspotbox4400 The I in dialog is us.
@@mediocrates3416 Nope, it is not, except on Saturday nights.
@@xspotbox4400 Oh, i see...; no, i don't... Everybody's working for the weekend?
@@mediocrates3416 People don't need to be asocial to maintain a strong sense of individuality, that's what i tried to say.
the quantum version of Neil Tyson?
The suggestion that the Absolute Reality and Relative Reality (5:20) are co-dependent is incorrect! If they are co-dependent, then they must depend on something else that is independent. Absolute Reality, by definition, is Independent. So, the Relative Reality (the world/manifestation) depends on the Absolute Reality (Consciousness). This is just like the dream-character that you are in your personal night-dream is dependent on you, the waker. The waker is not dependent on the dream-character. The dream-character is you but you are not the dream character; the shadow is you but you are not the shadow. Similarly, the world is Consciousness but Consciousness is not the world. In other words, world as mind and matter is not-real (world as mind/matter is only an appearance or name-and-form or a virtual-reality). The world as Consciousness is real. Because, there is nothing other than Consciousness. Consciousness is all there is! Thank you!
You might go unconscious while your body is perfectly fine, because there can be no consciousness without a healthy body and brains.
We don't know how reality is actually like, that's true, but then again nobody knows that, since every information must be transformed into a form our senses can comprehend. That doesn't mean reality doesn't exist, it's just not fined tuned to any kind of biological senses in particular.
@@xspotbox4400 When you say that there is no consciousness without a body, you are assuming that body/mind is conscious. No. Body/mind is not conscious. Body/mind is matter and matter is inert. Body/mind borrows individual consciousness in the presence of Pure-Consciousness or Universal-Consciousness. In deep sleep you (Consciousness) are conscious, you are conscious of the absence of objects/world including your own body. Your own body/mind is not there in deep sleep, yet you were conscious. You existed (if you didn't exist you would wake up as a different person). If you existed, then you were conscious of your existence. That's why every time you wake up, you would say that you enjoyed peace and there was just blankness/nothing. You would not say that you experienced a pink elephant. In other words, you had the experience of no body/world but peace in your deep sleep. Deep sleep, from its own perspective, is Pure-Consciousness. Only in waking state, your mind says it was blankness. Your mind was not there (or dormant) in deep sleep, so how can it claim that it was all blank or nothing?
Let me give you an analogy. Holding an apple in my hand if I asked you, "what is in my hand?" you would say, "apple." If I replace apple with a peach and ask you again you would answer, "peach." Now if I replace the peach with no object or no-thing or nothing and ask you again, "what is in my hand?", you would reply blank or nothing. In order for you to say so, you must be conscious of just the hand with no-thing in it. That means you were certainly conscious. The same with deep sleep! Please ponder.
Only Consciousness is conscious; Awareness is aware. Consciousness is the Unchanging, living, intelligent principle. It manifests in an individual through reflection. Pure-Consciousness is reflected in an individual mind which is a subtle matter. (Pure-Consciousness is dimension-less or quality-less so it cannot participate in any manifestation.) When that Reflected-Consciousness (which is fundamentally nothing but Pure-Consciousness) leaves the body, body is thrown out. Without that living/intelligent principle, body is dead and worthless.
What is Reality? Reality must be independent, eternal, unchanging and limitless. That is the only way it can be defined, as it must be agreeable to all (Reality must be non-contradictory and/or non-negatable). Another name for Reality is Consciousness/Awareness. If so, Reality is the only "entity" that exists (Reality can only be "one"). It is Existence itself. If any thing else exists (if it exists), it must be an appearance. Reality is always known, because it is you! (Whatever stays with you at all times in all states is you and your body/mind does not stay with you at all times but Consciousness/Reality does). Are you not aware? And, are you not aware that you are aware? Yes, of course (I hope you agree). You are always (eternally) aware. Non-awareness is impossible and illogical. You can never ever have the experience of non-awareness (if you did, you must be aware of that)! Therefore, you are always aware and you don't need your senses and/or mind to know that truth. It is a direct or immediate experience/knowing. Any senses/mind's experience is indirect, mediate and limited (we cannot be sure about the truth of that experience because the senses are limited and/or colored and also vary from individual to individual). The truth in manifestation is "I am," which is the most fundamental, non-negatable and common experience/knowledge of all. "I am" is Reflected-Consciousness (Self-Consciousness/Self-Awareness). Pure-Consciousness is conscious (its nature is Consciousness) and can only be "claimed" as you/yourself with the help of your mind (just like the mind claims that it is happy with the help of your tongue). Pure-Consciousness is conscious but not conscious of itself as "something," because there is no "other." Consciousness/Reality simply IS!
Thank you!
@@sudhakarvreddy Stop it, enough, what you say doesn't make any sense and we can't observe anything you described anywhere.
You're tripping man, writing the first words that come to your disturbed mind will not get you anywhere.
Go and sell you BS to some stupid rich wester tourists or spoiled and stoned hippies, not interested.
The Tao of Physics
You know I’m a big fan of the show but you gotta rethink posting some of these people, they might be specialized in some fields but sometimes people just don’t have the knowledge to speak intelligently about certain topics👆🏼
Enlightenments !! You can see both side good and bad, beautiful and ugly. สัจธรรมกับคุณธรรม
Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices truth & virtue ( สัจธรรมกับคุณธรรม )
Realization that reality is infinite field of consciousness.
Wrong.
@@Michels1 its true FOOL
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@@ayoubzahiri1918 Prove it.
Thats not enlightenment, that's just a realization.
Enlightenment is when you paid off all your karma and no longer suffer, its basically spiritual pension 😂
I respectfully disagree.
There is so much here that is nothing but a regurgitated mish-mash of misunderstood concepts and experiences.
Probably partly because of the culture he grew up in and, obviously, a lack of desire to explore further to achieve a better understanding.
His concept of enlightenment is wonderful, but wholly inconsistent with his actions.
His evoking of the "non-dual", "generative void", "energetic vacuum", "absolute god" is his perspective of a perceived existence, and therefore I accept it wholly. Even though each of those descriptions are irrevocably chained to a litany of ideas I may not agree with.
I get the sense that if I could talk with him further then expound on his comments. But, in this short form, his use of short explanations for what he was talking about just led to a string of Americanized misunderstandings of concepts and a self admitted lack of desire to explore what he has experienced.
I see in the comments a bunch of people praising what was expressed here, but everything I heard in this leads the viewers to even deeper states of misunderstanding.
Don't prostrate to words that have induced cognitive overload within you.
There are a lot of good concepts here. Explore them free from the restraints of preconceptions.
This guy isn't enlightened. But he's an expert. W/E.
Nobody is ever enlightened. They just become experts.
@@adamburling9551 🐟 17. THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN SPIRITUAL AWAKENING, LIBERATION, & ENLIGHTENMENT:
AWAKENING:
Any person who has experienced a state of cosmic awareness can rightly be called a “buddha” (a Sanskrit/Pali term for “an awakened being”). During such TEMPORAL experiences (that is, they begin at some point in time and then end at a subsequent point in time, even if at the time of death), there is usually an apparent dissolution of the subject-object dichotomy, or at least a radical shift in one’s perception of life. In the most profound awakening experience, the perceiver, the perceived, and the perceiving, mystically unify (“advaita anubhava”, in Sanskrit).
Awakening means to clearly see that one’s persona is but a character in a dream of The Absolute, and that one is essentially that Flawless Awareness. Therefore, it is not to be taken literally - that the person wakes from the “Cosmic Dream” in the same way that a human wakes from a night dream. It simply implies that the person realizes that he/she is one of the multitude of dream CHARACTERS, and that individual free-will was purely an illusion. When one experiences a night dream, one usually identifies with only one particular character (for example, “last night, I dreamed that I played chess with the prince”). However, all the characters in one's dream originate in the very same mind. Similarly, the living creatures in this universe are naught but characters in the “Mind of God”, to put it in theistic terms.
During such awakenings, one experiences the non-conceptual state, which is somewhat akin to the state of equanimous mind or "steady-mind" (“samādhi”, in Sanskrit). However, samādhi is usually a far longer-term state of being, normally arising after lengthy periods of practice.
Spiritual awakening is a relatively common phenomenon. In fact, there are most probably MILLIONS of persons currently on earth who have experienced some kind of awakening, where they directly perceive themselves to be more than a mere body-mind complex. The experience can be either totally spontaneous, or it can follow many decades of intense spiritual practice (“sādhanā”, in Sanskrit). However, there is no direct causal link between religious practices and awakening experiences, despite what most religionists (“sādhaka”, in Sanskrit) believe.
It is common for newly-awakened persons to CONFUSE and conflate relative and absolute truth. That is to say, when neophyte buddhas speak of relative concepts, they invariably use absolute terms. This is colloquially known as the “spiritual side-step” or as “spiritual bypassing”.
For instance, they may make such statements as: “You don't exist”; “Nothing ever happened”; “There is no right or wrong”; “Everything and/or everyone is equal”; “I am not my body”; “We are One”; and “I am you, and you are me”. Hopefully, such persons will come to see that there is no need to speak about everything from the Absolute perspective. Verily, it is unbeneficial to the persons with whom they are conversing (unless, of course, those third persons are thoroughly deluded materialists, who are unable to see beyond the physical realm).
Awakening to one’s true nature does NOT automatically promote one to being a saint, since one’s unique characteristics, flaws and obsessions may perdure. There is an abundance of evidence that awakening experiences can be induced simply by the administration of certain hallucinogenic drugs, so to claim that one is exceptionally remarkable just for being a buddha, is rather conceited.
Unfortunately (for spiritual-seekers), there is a multitude of awakened or partially-awakened persons who mistakenly believe that they are somehow enlightened masters, and proceed to embark on a teaching career.
The fact is, many (if not most) of these BOGUS “gurus” are afflicted with a narcissistic, demonic mentality, bereft of morality, and ought to be exposed and denounced for the fraudsters that they are.
As will be very succinctly explained in forthcoming chapters of this Holy Scripture, it is the sacred duty of members of the Priesthood ALONE to disseminate religious/spiritual knowledge throughout society (or to be more accurate, teach seminarians and the leader of the government, who in turn teach other men, who in turn teach their own subordinates). Simply attaining a “spiritual state”, even with the benefit of a vast body of knowledge, does not automatically confer authority on a person to become a spiritual master (“guru”, in Sanskrit). There is, in fact, an enormous gulf between the two (that is, between an awakened non-priest working as a spiritual teacher, and an enlightened spiritual master).
Most persons would undoubtedly disapprove of a person stealing the property of another, yet think nothing of a working-class chap or a mere woman performing the function of a priest (“brāhmaṇa”, in Sanskrit). The fact is, when any person (other than a priest/guru) assumes the role of a spiritual leader, he or she is quite LITERALLY stealing the occupation of a priest. The phrase “The blind leading the blind” is pertinent here.
By understanding the entirety of this “Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, it shall assist one in the discernment necessary to distinguish an actual spiritual master from a person who may superficially seem to be a wise and holy teacher by the masses, yet is, in fact, a charlatan.
Unfortunately, only a wise sage can identify his peers, so it requires a genuine prophet to recognize which spiritual teachers are ACTUAL masters. Nevertheless, as a general rule, at least ninety-nine per cent of those giving spiritual precepts to society, are unqualified to do so (see Chapter 20 to know the prerequisites for a member of the Holy Priesthood. Despite what many believe, priests are not at all ordinary men).
LIBERATION:
“Liberation” means “freedom”. Thus, a liberated soul is a person who has become emancipated from the five kinds of suffering (blame, shame, pride, regrets/expectations, and anxiety), all of which are based on the belief in personal AGENCY. Read Chapter 15 to understand the nature of suffering, and Chapter 11 to understand that humans are not independent agents with freedom of will.
Awakening experiences are not a prerequisite to being liberated from suffering.
LIKEWISE, not all liberated persons are automatically enlightened (at least not to the degree necessary in order to be labelled as such), but there is a strong correlation between the two states of being. It's possible to be liberated, whilst not possessing a deep understanding of life.
A liberated person is scarce, because very few understand the true nature of suffering, and of those who do understand the distinction between psycho-physical pain and ACTUAL (psychological) suffering, it is difficult to surrender to one's circumstances, free of obsessive thinking and judging. Liberated souls are usually those who have diligently practiced one of the four systems of yoga described in Chapter 16.
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ENLIGHTENMENT:
Of those who have experienced a state of “oneness” and are free from mental suffering, there are EXTREMELY rare souls who are spiritually-enlightened (at least to such an extent to be worthy of the label). If the term were to be taken literally, a person may be permeated or imbued in light to varying degrees, just as the ocean is more illumined by direct sunlight than it is by the reflected light of the moon.
So, when a layman thinks of an enlightened soul, he or she typically imagines a person who knows what life is “all about”, or has “seen the light of God” (metaphorically-speaking). Simply having an awakening experience is quite far-removed from being an enlightened sage.
Every person who has ever lived can be RANKED according to their level of enlightenment. Even if one understands that there is more to existence than gross matter and localized consciousness, one could claim to be more enlightened than a gross materialist. Therefore, somewhere in the world resides a person who is the most ignorant fool on earth, and at a different location one may find the most enlightened sage extant. Like practically everything in life, enlightenment is relative. Even “complete” enlightenment is not an absolute state. Even the most educated person alive has the capacity to increase his knowledge. Not even Divine Incarnations are all-knowing, I would posit.
If one were to approach a rocket scientist, one would expect him to fully understand his field of expertise. He would understand advanced physics and chemistry, and know precisely how to design and launch spacecraft into outer-space.
Similarly, an enlightened sage is one who understands LIFE. He knows how this phenomenal world came to be, how the law of action and reaction actually works, how to become liberated from temporal sufferings, and should be able to logically answer any question posed to him by a spiritual seeker (what to speak of highly-intelligent members of the scientific and philosophical communities).
An enlightened person has eschewed all belief systems and relies solely on objective, VERIFIABLE concepts, knowing that even the most accurate concepts are relative, and that the ultimate reality is Absolute. Read Chapter 03 of “F.I.S.H” to appreciate this philosophical foundation. A laconic way to describe how it feels to be a fully-enlightened (and awakened) person is thus: imagine yourself (that is, your waking-state persona) entering a dream and interacting with the dream characters, giving no regard to any uncomfortable situation, including possible death, as you know that you cannot die. That is similar to how a genuine sage relates to this seemingly-real creation - continuously at peace with what is.
A fully-enlightened person is almost invariably a member of the Holy Priesthood (a prophet, to be more precise), and NECESSARILY possesses a genius or near-genius level of intelligence. “Necessarily”, because, as previously stated, he is required to competently respond to even the most difficult questions and conundrums posed to him by others (otherwise, he can hardly claim to be a fully-enlightened individual). Imagine approaching a so-called “enlightened sage”, and after asking him the most profound questions imaginable, he responds “Umm...I don't know!”
On the other hand, even the village idiot can receive awakening experiences. However, to be liberated from suffering, one normally requires at least an average level of intelligence, because understanding the nature of suffering (as opposed to mere pain) is a rather intellectual concept.
Needless to say, an enlightened person adheres to a strict code of morals and ethics, such as the avoidance of illicit sexual activity, gambling, intoxicants, and animal products. To be fair, there are many examples of persons who seem to be very awakened and/or enlightened, yet engage in base pursuits such as those mentioned above, due to their genetic make-up and their conditioning. However, this category is devoted to highly-evolved beings who LITERALLY radiate holiness - those who even the vilest of souls can recognize to be elevated far above ordinary, animalistic humanity. Sometimes, those vile souls far more easily recognize enlightened saints than do persons who are supposedly spiritually-advanced, as when the demoniacs, called “Legion”, instantly identified the Divine Avatar, Lord Jesus Christ, as the Son of the Most High God, whilst the Jewish high-priest at the time considered The Perfect Person Himself to be naught but a ominous rabble-rouser and a blasphemer.
It seems logical to assume that any person who purports to be a fully-enlightened soul must be morally-upright. Therefore, those who profess to be enlightened individuals, yet who actively support objectively-evil ideologies or practices, such as socialism, communism, democracy, feminism, homosexuality, and carnism, are of no practical benefit to society (quite the opposite, in fact - they are a DETRIMENT to society)
The devilish character, known as “Satan” in the Judeo-Christian tradition, seems to have been quite enlightened about spiritual reality, yet I'm not sure if anyone would call him an “enlightened being”. To be rather forthright, a fully-enlightened sage will accept the conceptual framework of this Holy Scripture, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, as being a very accurate description of life as it is (or as it could be or should be).
It is far far preferable for a guru to teach impeccable moral precepts, yet have a flawed understanding of metaphysics, than vice versa.
Out of a billion persons, there may be one or two enlightened masters. These self-realized world-teachers are almost TOTALLY shunned by society, for, as Lord Jesus Christ once proclaimed: “I am the enemy of the world because I am telling the world that it is evil” (paraphrased).
It is extremely easy to identify a truly-enlightened spiritual master: The first question one should ask a prospective guru is "What is the ideal form of government?". If he acknowledges monarchy to be the only legitimate form of governance, then ask "Does free-will exist for any living creature?". If he responds in the negative, then the chances are that he is a authentic guru, assuming, of course, that he is a strict vegan, and is despised by most all of humanity. If he has more than a couple of dedicated disciples, he is most probably teaching something less than Truth.
“You have to let it happen, just like you have to let yourself go to sleep - you can’t try to go to sleep. You have to let yourself digest your food - you can’t try to digest it.
And so, in the same way, you have to let yourself wake-up (become liberated).”
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*“A flow of water suddenly does a whirlpool and then it goes on. The whirlpool is a definite form but no water stays put in it.
The whirlpool is something the stream is doing, and in exactly the same way, the universe is doing each one of us.”
Professor Alan W. Watts,
British-American Philosopher.
“Awakening cannot take place, so long as the idea persists, that one is a seeker.
Doing sadhana (spiritual practices) means, assuming the existence of a phantom.
The entity that you think you are, is false.
You ARE the Reality!”
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“When Realization dawns, then what happens? You are no longer 'you'. You remain established in the inner silence and freedom, without any concern for your welfare, content with whatever comes along - and life goes on in perfect effortlessness.”
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“Self-inquiry is the direct path to Self-realization or enlightenment.
The only way to make the mind cease its outward activities, is to turn it inward.
By steady and continuous investigation into the nature of the mind, the mind itself gets transformed into That to which it owes its own existence.”
Ramesh Balsekar,
Indian Spiritual Teacher.
He describes it pretty well imho. no true scotsman
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices I repeat.
Quantum woo
Love your fears and potential future nightmares to death.
I'll show you what enlightenment is, stare down the barrel of my .45 you'll see it instantly
Consciousness is a subjective awareness. It is individual. Enlightenment, to me, is the realisation that religions are not founded in verifiable truth and the suffering, torture, and murder of dissenters by the Church was both wrong and evil. The Christian inquisition continued for 700 years, and silenced all progress through knowledge for all that time. It still tries to hold onto the same repressive, illogical dogma while demanding it be taken seriously and given full freedoms to ostracise disbelievers. It’s now called Freedom of Religion, but it does not offer Freedom to the people; far from it.
American sister, who suffered lifelong depression and darkness at heart she felt, to get rid of it, she studied all religions you can think of, but nothing fit right, nothing feel right, until she came to Islam, the lifelong depression is gone, it was a miracle in the broad day light Video titled posted by an American sister is: "sunny convert to islam after she watching the first 5 episodes from the inspiration serie"
This is true enlightenment.
So everybody is crazy, only she is having fun now, that's interesting.
@@xspotbox4400 Everybody isn't crazy but you certainly are.
@@micheal74rich I meant all the girls who party around when they have the time and don't care about Islam or any other religion, are they crazy also? Because I met with many of them, and we kinda like each other when being a little crazy, but not insane or brainwashed.
@@xspotbox4400 What is your religion?
@@micheal74rich I am a post deist, of my own definition, believing we live in a world when people finally realized there were never any gods, all religions are fake, and we can do better.
UKODUS -- soduK
Neal Theise doesn't know.
First thing you learn he’s Jewish and Buddhist, a contradiction in itself, then he says his religion says not to talk about enlightenment, but yet goes for it. And I’m sitting here thinking, after that how can I listen to anything he says?
Wow you said a ton…. But nothing….
Start from existing to non-existent
I've got no special talent. I'm just passionately curious - Albert Einstein.
Get a decent job and pay your own bills! - Einstein's father
More religion, less science, it's as simple as that.
Ideology don't mix with technology, you can have a wonderful idea about some beautiful innovation, but reality will always bring you back down to the solid grounds.
Look at the world around us, nations with strong religious groups can't do almost nothing, they lack real experts. This is most noticeable in extreme environments, where everything depends on scientific understandings of physics, like space. Where is Russia today after they reinstalled Orthodox church in government positions, they can't even land a satellite on another celestial body no more. Then there's an atheist China, nobody took that feudal, but giant nation seriously years ago, today they compete with Americans on Mars, the only nation that can do so. Or European countries, all the money and advance knowledge come from only few nations with very weak, only symbolic religion presence in a civil sphere, rest are like in feudal ages. India is another good example, nothing works, because technology can-t be powered by consciousness, obviously. Israel is not strong because of Jehovah and Cabala woo, it's their hi end military technologies and industries that gave them the edge from neighboring nations. British science and their global markets helped them, not ancient ideology and religious tourism.
These patterns are now global and too obvious to be ignored, so enlightenment relies on reason and logic, but also helps people to stay human, much different from pure atheists who simply don't care for anything or anybody, including themselves. Ideology is a dead end street, reason alone is not enough, state of enlightenment is always personal, can never be achieved on a national level simply because people are so different.
Reality is a reel. Ever changing, transforming. Reality is never solid, never fixed.
As levels of consciousness are attained you transform within as without.
Nothing you precieve to becresl is real.
Again. You give words without meaning.
You don't know what science is.
@@S3RAVA3LM Do you even think when writing your comments? Feels like trying to communicate with a bot.
Do me a favor, just go and read definition of scientific model in English Wikipedia. Don't even think about arguing with me, just do it, do it now.
I think "enlightenment" is just another word for "self delusion" because every time I run into somebody who talks about enlightenment or claims to be enlightened, it's always a person who denies logic, denies the reality of the external world, denies the reality of moral truths, denies the existence of an enduring self, denies the distinction between self and other, etc. In other words, it always turns out to be a person who denies the obvious and affirms nonsense.
Enlightenment is a desire
@@N0Xa880iUL or a path ... you have to open a door sooner or later if you want to check the outside by yourself. btw i prefer mindfulness, is less "arrogant" .
@@N0Xa880iUL That is ironic from a Buddhist perspective. According to the four Nobel truths, desire is the cause of suffering, and to get rid of suffering, one must get rid of desire. So that's the goal--to follow the eight fold path in order to alleviate suffering. But enlightenment is also a major goal in at least some forms of Buddhism. If enlightenment is desire, then Buddhists would simultaneously embrace and reject the same thing at the same time.
@@francesco5581 Yep. I believe mindfulness is the real deal. Maybe I say that because I haven't experienced "Enlightenment"
Enlightenment has to do with a deeper insight in something whatever that may be. Surely Bill Gates is not self delusional when it comes to computer expertise. Surely someone who spends his/hers life on self-observation and criticaly looking at oneselfs can become enlightened to some degree also. Just stop spreading pseudo rational nonsense.
There are no gods, there is lust for power.
Just because he has finally been able to see a flco of birds in two dimensions/reality doesn't prove anything. Same for his Buddhist illusions.
A Jewish Buddhist !?!?!
What's next a Jewish Russian Orthodox Scientologist hippie ? 🙄
That just seems absurd !!
Yes, it does.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I watch Brother Nathaniel on Bit chute, he's an idiot, but a very funny guy ;)
@@xspotbox4400
A useful idiot.
I have only run into him a couple of times. And he didn't stand out from the rest.
@@thomasridley8675 I think he's fake, nobody is that dumb, perhaps he's an actor or just a simple-minded peasant with a lot of charisma who wants to become famous.
It's probably a joke, he is funny if you look at him as a satire about American religious cults lore.
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Have you seen MTG ?
She makes him look like a real genius.
@@thomasridley8675 Haha... i don't know that one, will check out when i find the time :)
The only way to get in contact with the quantum level is to read the word of God and to pray to him and ask for it in Jesus name since his word says to plus his word says to believe on Jesus is the only way to get into heaven. Since Jesus is God.
Why do you think that a simple African peasant who might not even be a real person was a God? One more question, what does Africans have to do with you?
@@xspotbox4400 my question to you is where's your proof on all this just cuz other people say so doesn't mean Jack crap. Plus we've already talked about Noah to depending on wherever they landed after the flood. The fact that we don't even necessarily know all those historic places that are mentioned in the bible cuz names have changed. God's word has provided more proof than what any man or woman I've run into has.
This guy is full of b.s. what is he doing here?
This guy is a walking talking contradiction. Absolutely zero logic
In your own words, define “ENLIGHTENMENT”. ☝️🤔☝️
Well over a decade ago, I read _”Zen Mind, Beginners Mind”_ and I reacted the way you have to this guy. I reckoned it was just fluff and woo; complete hokum, lacking any logic. For various reasons, though, I continued to read around the area of meditation. I watched and read Matthieu Ricard, and was especially intrigued by the reports of Thích Quảng Đức, the Vietnamese monk who self immolated in 1963. I watched and read stuff by Shinzen Young, and by the Canadian, Noah Greenspoon who is now a monk going by the name of Yuttadhammo. Perhaps most significantly, I stumbled across the work of Willoughby Britton at Brown University and, via her, the book, _”Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha”_ by Daniel Ingram. Then, by coincidence not design, I picked up and re-read _”Zen Mind, Beginners Mind”_ and was really taken aback at the difference in my reaction.
To be clear: on the one hand I could still say that this stuff is as lacking in logic as it ever was. But something has changed. I can now detect a clear difference between, on the one hand, genuine, common-or-garden fluff and nonsense - of which there is _loads_ - and something that _sounds_ superficially like nonsense but which is underpinned by something more or less profound.
Or maybe I’m kidding myself, and have been suckered into believing crap 😄
Of course the effect I’m talking about is hardly restricted to meditation and the like. First time I read Hegel and Heidegger I thought they were off their rockers. Ha - maybe they are!
@@KT-dj4iy Well, we all have our own particular BELIEFS, but ultimately, there exists objective truth, which is not subject to our misconceptions and misunderstandings.
One who has transcended mundane relative truth is said to be an ENLIGHTENED soul. 😇
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices , is what you just said merely one of your _”own particular BELIEFS”,_ or is it _”objective truth”_ and so _”not subject to…misconceptions and misunderstandings”?_
@@KT-dj4iy, since you wish to be pedantic, I haven't said ANYTHING, Slave. 🤫
1) Neil Theise is practicing Buddhism and 2) he takes Judaism seriously, item number 1 and 2 cannot mix and they are oxymoron.
I would say they can, if one is conscious enough that both are jokes.