New Toro 30" Timemaster Review - Is It Worth It?
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2024
- Taryl checks out the new 2021 Toro Timemaster and gives his 2 cents as he mulches, side discharges, and bags with the mower. He even mulches some tall grass to put it through some abuse. Slippers shows up and gives his insight on what he likes and what to look for maintenance-wise down the road. If you think this is a good mower for you be sure to visit your local Toro dealer or check them out online at:
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Always nice to relax with @Taryl Fixes All.
I know Slippers is always relaxed. He strolls in the shop in his sleepwear he's so relaxed.
Can you do a review of the commercial model. Thanks
My grandson brought me the 22" version of this machine that he found along the curb with a sign that said free! It looked like brand new and all it needed was gas in the tank. I used it for a few weeks, it did a good job, but I almost had to run behind it to keep up, even though it is a variable speed. This was an expensive lawnmower, and someone didn't like it. I didn't either so I gave it to my niece, she didn't have a lawnmower at her new house and she is happy with this one. The one that I have and use on my city lot is a old Toro, with a 3-speed manual shift and I always run it in the lowest gear! I am 85 years old, and it is just right for me! Love your channel and gang!
Dang man 85 years old and still cutting your grass! Kudos to you my man
I bought this mower last summer. It is a perfect mid size mower. I love it! It does a great job!
Speaking from a commercial standpoint mowers like this are the only way we can mow backyard because people put 36 inch gates on their backyards I myself have a cub cadet 33 inch just for backyards thank y’all for yawls videos really love them you’ll do a great job
Fenced in backyards, where the dog crap lives!
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I thought the same thing so i got an exmark quest s 32 ztr. But ive found my new exmark staris 36 fits 99% of the gates aswell
I've got a mowing business in Australia, and quoted 2 jobs with the same problem ,my 42inch hustler won't fit through gates ,and backyard is massive, so this mower will be perfect .
Had one of these for a few years now and I LOVE it! I’ve got between 1/2 and 3/4 acre, used a Toro 22” mower for years but it took well over an hour to cut and had to be done twice a week. Now I don’t even think about it when the grass is a little shaggy, just give it a quick run with the TM and it’s done in about 45 minutes. The bag holds a helluva lot more than any mower I’ve ever had too, now I can bag the grass without stopping every other row. Still keep an SR4 around as back up and for smaller areas but I’ll never sell my TM unless it’s to buy a brand new one!
It’s interesting to see a company that realizes their mistakes and actually upgraded to better transmission ect.
No,they don't!
They did with the motor...the 8.75 to the 10.00 helped tremendously, especially in thicker wet grass. I cut for myself and own 4 total, 2 older and 2 upgraded, one with electric start. I carousel them for longevity and they weigh much less than the commercials...had a toro and exmark, both where too heavy
@@timkayjr2958 Most of the commercial people who bought them,junked them after 1 or 2 seasons.
Understandable, the commercial mowers last much longer...steel levers instead of plastic...believe it or not the cables snap just as often on commercial as they do the residential, and this motor is more powerful than the FJ180v Kawasaki they put on the commercial mowers although the Kawasaki gives very little maintenance needed
The commercials last longer because they are more steel than plastic, it's also a reason they suck to actually operate...I take a personal pace over commercial everyday, just my personal preference
@@timkayjr2958 I forgot to mention that in order to adj mower clutch,you have to remove deck cover,loosen clamp,slide it back,tighten it,reassemble it,and then go. A "thumb wheel " on handle would be easier,faster,way to do this adj.the same goes for gnd drv.
How come Taryls subscribe amount was at 145000 forever and never moved,and now it’s climbing.Was UA-cam not updating his count,I always thought he should have a hell of a lot more subscribers.Keep up the great work guys,it’s always fun.
Just fired up my Craftsman Briggs and Stratton mower yesterday. Four years and still running good. Replaced blade
My son got this to start his lawn mowing business, 2 years and going strong. Weekly does 3-5 lawns on top of his regular full-time job.
Question. Do you like mowing grass or just working on the equipment. I actually like to mow, seems like a get away for me, peaceful if you know what I mean . Thanks for you time.
I think his Wife does the lawn mowing.
@@BeingMe23 Nah, he makes Junior do the push mowing.
Im a landscaper i only use mine once a week on 4 small lawns that i do and its worked out great for the past year.
Any issues with it? I’m thinking of getting one to use on 5 lawns once a week but don’t want to get something that has issues. Thanks
@@PNWTraveler Ive had mine for almost a year and half and no issues at all i use it every week on 5 properties i have that my big mowers don't go threw its a great mower and has a beautiful cut.
It's good you got the old mower with that white B&S engine back there, because when those new machines goes bad, you have the oldie you can always trust.
Thanks Taryl and Slippers for the info
I really enjoy these new product release vids. It gives me a great heads up on what I will be seeing in my shop soon.
LOL! Timewaster coming to your shop soon.
Awesome! You showed us the pulleys, the timing belt and drive belt. Everyone else is scared of the those covers. Taryl is the source.
Completely unrelated to this video. You, sir, are fantastic. I just completed fixing my Briggs and Stratton V Twin Intek. It had a broken connecting rod. I replaced both connecting rods (just to be safe) and I also needed to replace the piston that had the broken connecting rod since it was damaged. Just finished today. Runs like a champ! Thanks Taryl!!!! The only thing that delayed me a week was the Woodruff key needed to be replaced and I forgot to order it.
The Briggs engine gave up after 9 months. Replaced with the kohler cv224. So awesome. I love the timemaster because it’s really light compared to the turfmaster which I also have as a backup mower.
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Love the channel Taryl. It should be f***ing illegal to build equipment without grease fittings and all these companies that have been responsible for engineering obsolescence into all this stuff should be forced to redesign everything to be serviceable like it should be. Not to mention they should have to replace the junk that's out there already at no charge to the customer. Another thing that should be prosecuted is making a carburetor without adjustments. One more is a lawn mower or anything else for that matter the doesn't have a throttle control and just starts wide ass open. All these things they do just so you have to spend money and so average people can't repair their own equipment. It's sick and should be dealt with harshly. Thanks for the knowledge and laughter.
Bought one in 2012 and did have to replace the engine. Head gadget bad and cylinder scored. Breaks and Scrapem on there now . No issues so far. I maintain my own. Great machine...
To aid in cleaning a newly bought mower. Add ceramic coating to the underside.
I have one. Its an amazing mower. The pace personal pace is amazing. The only thing that would make this better is a stronger chute and a bigger Honda Engine.
Toro about 1973 had a mower that had a circular slightly coned disk with 4 tips for a blade at each quadrant; the tips were triangular shaped and turn-able to a new sharp edge. The thought was the cone pulled the blades of grass up and the tips cut them off.
Yep, We had one, the blades on it were replaceable with standard sickle bar sections as well.
Jacobson had one like that too and it was 2-cycle. YEARS ago.
Thanks for the fast shipping on what I ordered. Great products too.
I mow commercially. This mower is great other than the 2 OEM idler pulleys that come on it. I used this mower every day this year, Monday through Friday on 4-5 yards per day, to mow about .25 acres per yard since I usually mow all front yards with it because of the excellent cut quality I get out of this mower. The other .75 acres on these lawns is mowed with a zero turn. After replacing both original idler pulleys with OEM pulleys and also having them fail, I replaced the OEM pulleys with pulleys for the Toro/Exmark 30" pulleys and haven't had any more issues. I did have to add a washer under each pulley to get the correct spacing, but it works great. I really appreciate the videos. I also purchased a Scag SFC 30" walk behind to try. It also has an amazing cut, but it cost twice as much and it weighs roughly 100 pounds more, so it causes more fatigue on the operator when mowing in corners and around trees and shrubs. I've bought a second Timemaster now as a backup and sold the SFC. Don't get me wrong, Scag makes excellent products and the SFC is a great mower, but not for mowing around trees, shrubs, and corners in a fenced in back yard which I do every day. On my personal yard, the SFC is about the best quality cut I've ever seen, but for all around use, the Timemaster is hands down the best.
I have 2 of them..... I side mow with them. Cuts mow time in half. You failed to mention there is a 30” stripe kit for them, which by the way works excellent, makes your lawn look like the pro’s did it. The only change that I would like is a bigger gas tank, I would personally pull out the foam to gain volume for fuel. Clean out under the black belt cover every so often, build up of grass will cause the belt to jump time and the blades will clank together, don’t ask me how I know that..... Otherwise those are a great product. Good video guys!!!
what i like about these 30 inch mowers, is their mulching capability, they will take a pile of leaves on a lawn and make it disappear. because of the twin blades, they dice up grass very well with minimal clumps.
I’m a firm believer in keeping my mower cleaned up but It’s not my lawn I won’t water it they rust way to easy anymore they don’t build them like they used to
Love the videos buddy thanks for sharing everything with us god bless everyone
I have two 16 horse Sears Suburbans,they look and run great.The Ariens I bought five years ago is junk already,and we’ve gone through three push mowers in eight years.
@@oxyfee6486 today's commercial mowers are equal to yesterday's residentials. it's the same for chainsaws.
I'm glad Teryl made the distinction between the homeowner class toro and the commercial class. It can do the work but with limitations. Not built for commercial use. Enjoying the videos and thanks for dinner
it looks like explosion suppression Foam it will also reduce fuel surge in the tank
The spindles have sealed bearings so a grease fitting would not grease the bearings.
Found this by accident..no notification came up nor is on the video list..just thought id let you know, cheers from the UK
@mike Routledge, subscribe and hit the bell to get all the notifications. Really funny but educational
@@jdclay1547 i watched this 4 months ago ??
@@mikeroutledge6929 indeed we did because I liked your comment and I remember watching this.
I have the electric start version 2017. Been flawless.
You put out awesome review videos Taryl, when manufacture's and engineers actually listen to knowledgeable mechanics their products improve exponentially!
funny when Taryl worked on one in an older video he called it a “time waster”
@@WJCTechyman yeah I have to agree but I think it’s kind of funny he had nothing bad to say here since Toro gave him the unit to review.
Toro has been the best walkbehind mowers i have ever used. Especially the ones with the Toro engine. I cants say too many good things about the Briggs engines but this one seems to be decent.. and sounds good.
I bought mine this past summer and I'm really liking it. Cuts way faster than my awd husqvarna.
Nice video good review hey Terrel big fan thanks in advance however this seems to be a sponsored video does that mean that Donny boy is going to be mad at you for this to
Instead of using the wash out port just tilt it up for storage, and spray the underside off.
You won't waste gas doing it that way and it does a better job.
That's what the government wants you to think
That ape profile picture doesn't fool me Rusty
Yeah that’s what I do. Much easier and cleans better that way.
Have a 2014 timemaster. Has had so many problems over the years.
residential or commercial the trick to these toro/exmark 30s is to have sharp blades and tinker with the governor so it runs at 3600 rpm
I had a little cub cadet and did that. Huge difference in power. Wouldn't try over 3600rpm, though.
I just bought a toro timemaster 30 inch and im in live with it.. it does stipes
Thanks for a good review of actual real mowing using all the different mowing formats.
Have you had any problems with the Cub Cadet version of this mower? The Cc600? My main concern is with the 227cc motor.
Just picked up this 2021 model at the beginning of this season (being used commercially) and so far absolutely love it
I love the feature where the belt for the blades snaps within 10 minutes everytime I use it every other month when it's fixed again
Excellent review, I have some toro equipment and love it. All is dependable when properly maintained.
You must’ve filmed this awhile back. I noticed the unfinished Ridemaster.
Somehow there's a comment from 4 months ago lol.
Yeah, I think you are right. Didn't notice the Ridemaster, but the amount of leaves on the trees and the length/color of the grass looks more like August or September than mid-April to me....
@@GoldSrc_ I made a comment 5 months ago. I found it in Taryl’s playlists
That's the mower I'm looking to get🚜🛻🚃🚂
I like that mower looks like it would be really good and last for a while as long as its taken care of!
I never saw a twin blade push mower before!
U didnt cover the drive gears and inner wheel teeth. That aspect should be addressed cuz ive repaired a few and its not cheap.
Looks like a good unit. I do like that Toro, gives you the gear to mow the way you want or need to. I'd be tempted to trade my riding mower in for one of these if I didn't also mow my mother in law's yard. Her yard is large enough we really need a zero turn but those are a little spendy for me. We use two tractors and the mowing takes about 2 hours and another 2 to trim. That's no all of it though. There is probably another 2 hours of mowing around barns and sheds we gave up on a few years ago.
Taryl, what's the best Lawn Tractor? Seems like the briggs engines have issues, kohler engines have issues, and even the deeres have issues. I'm somewhat mechanically inclined. What's your recommendation?
I feel like its a great mower. Sounds great tbh
I would love to see a video dedicated to wash-out ports, pros & cons, and maintenance tips to prevent you mower deck from rusting and your keeping your bearings in good shape.
Bought one of those 4' blowers for air lines from Harbor Fright. After mowing, blow tractor and top of deck off. Make sure it's dry when mowing, so under deck stays clean.
@@jeffreydevoti7000 I used to wash the bottom and top with water. My mower had less than 30 hours on it and I noticed the spindles sound rough and somewhat loose now. Now I only wash the bottom with water and everything else is blown off with compressed air. Still, I'd love to see a thorough video on this topic.
@@moonziemoonzie5524 You have the same issue as anyone who uses the washout ports, it washes the grease out of the bearings. I tell people not to use it, instead just cut the grass when it's very dry and you won't get the build up from damp grass. Then at the end of the mowing season, flip up the deck, clean off any grass and spray it with a coat of cheap pain to keep it from rusting in storage.
I reckon I wouldn't bother with wash out port. Nice machine if taken care of👍
If they have grease zerks it's OK as long as you grease it as soon as you stop the water, the bearings really don't like water.
The blue foam is to keep it from leaking through the gas cap. The older ones had numerous problems leaking.
Keep dirt out?
I just bought a snapper hi vac self propelled, electric start. Love it! But that looks like a nice toro. I'm pretty confident that my snapper will be my last mower. I really like your show and you give me a few laughs. I learn a lot I feel I could do minor repairs if I ever need to.
Hey Taryl D! I just bought some stickers from ya to adorn my Toro. Thank you for all the edutaining content!
I have one and have used it for 3 years. I have had no problems. I thought it was going to be to heavy and hard to maneuver but it turned out to be easier to turn and get around objects than my 21" Toro personal pace. The blades being out front help with that. You don't have to hold your fingers on the blue handle to make it speed up. Just walk faster and it speeds up. I have never used the blue handle. Will buy another when the time comes. Starts easily and bags very well. Very smooth cut. Saves a lot of time compared to 21" cut.
Dang , they have come along way with mowers . Thanks
These have been out for several years.
@graham van grieken Okay, what's your point?
@graham van grieken and then you bring them home and fix them?
Daryl what do you think of the mowers that they say you don't have to change the oil.
I put 5 hours a week on my 22" Toro recycler. Debating between the Timecutter or Turfmaster.
Did they fix the crap pulleys which break every year?
The foam in the tank is a Anti Explosive material. Gov't ordered. Not sure if it works or not? But I had it in my fuel cell in my race car.
Grass getting under the cover is a problem..I just leave the cover off and blow it off occasionally..but its fast..that mulch plug is tough to get out after you've mulched alot with it..
Toro does a good job of sending out demo's to consumers to get real feedback, then they fix the bugs. If u cant afford Honda level quality, go Toro
Honda doesn't have a 30" walk behind mower.
I'm very lucky to put about 10 hours per year on my lawnmower because we've been through an El Nino period in Australia where we've had drought which killed the grass & the grass doesn't grow very much in winter time.
It got a workout last summer in Australia where we had La Nina which made the grass grow like mad !
If the T man recommends it you know it’s good 👍
The only qualm I have with mine is changing the oil. I found this season after filling it back up with oil, that the 18oz bottle over fills it, and it will start burning oil. Tons of white smoke everywhere. Was not happy at all.
I use a pump to get the oil out, next oil change I am going to use the tilt method. Did a 2nd oil change, and
That makes me think that you didn’t get all of the old oil out
@@Mason-RRC you are correct. I wish they had an oil plug or something to make sure you get it all out.
I love the side chute ,looks like it thinned out the clippings nicely . If the grass was wet , would it be better to have the chute up ?
Great Review from someone who knows mowers. I purchased one after seeing your how to videos. You made repairs look easy should something fail .
I have had the SAME issue on my 2016 Toro 30 in TimeMaster. It NEVER starts hot. There was a recall to change the crummy paper fuel filter, but i solved that design flaw, where the fuel feed is only 1/2 in drop from the tank outlet to Briggs 120000 series engine carb. I lashed on my Honda GCV190 Tank and a nice long hose, with a Disc filter and Shutoff valve from Home Depot. The Briggs recall is to install a metal HEAT SHIELD between the cyl head and float bowl, to fix hot restarting. I often do better than that, just get some silver foil faced R-MAX foam insulation, maybe cut 3x5in,, smash a recess to fit behind the float bowl with a small hammer, and shove it in place above the black plastic belt guard cover. surfaces, that worked for a few years,then needed to cool things down with Starting fluid or Gumout to restart hot. I then replaced the carbs several times with the inexpensive ones on Amazon. Worked a little better than Briggs OEM. FINALLY, I did replace the Magneto coil and shutoff switch, but yesterday PROVED THE NEW ONE IS INTERMITTENT. Got an adjustable Spark Tester, set for 10KV gap or larger - NO OUTPUT!!!!!!!!!!! Then I took the old one, sanded the pole pieces and TAPED the entire HV lead with 3M Electrical tape, and split the plastic insulator sleeve from my new Spark Tester, covering the CHAFED section where the muffler heatshield abradedi it. BINGO, it finally started! I then checked the Compression cold, but forgot to open the throttle plate - it read almost 30lbs. We also replaced the crummy HEAD GASKET again, with the 2nd gasket in the $42 Amazon kit, which HAS A NICE METAL fire ring, but is for the 223CC Upgraded engine all the Yard Service guys pay $500 new, to finally fix the underpowered temperamental 190. I found the old gasket BLEW OUT near the Exhaust side, a second time, vapor from all my Starting Fluid was coming out. Another telltale sign was the 4 head bolts were NOT TIGHT. I should have retourqued to the 125 in-lbs spec AGAIN after a month.
Since 70lbs seems to be the spec for these 190CC motors, I WILL be buying a new Piston, Rings, and Wrist pin set, and the 2 different length Rod bolts to raise the crummy 30lbs that is causing stalling issues. And my friend set the VALVE clearances ay 0.006in, AFTER INSTALLING THE NEW thicker gasket. It starts if I put the choke rod in, but soon I fave to remove it, and flip the choke spring 180 degrees over, to the main governor spring post, r it will bog down too rich! When I get anther $500 saved up, I am going to Toro Menders in ATL to buy a replacement 223CC engine, and a new DECK for another $100. Final note, there is a Hi Lift Blade kit, including a new front V shaped shield that bolts in with the front wheels assy - critically IMPORTANT, IT USED TO just fill the chute with grass. ------------- for the past 8 years it will FILL the bag with even wet grass- My thoughts, nothing else is safe on my sloped back yard, and at 150lbs for me, I can easily handle this 135lb mower. Just skip the $200 more Electric Start option, because it will be clunkier to use there. Just my thoughts after 8 years of Time Master troubles. And I replaced many broken cables, worn bearings, and belts Fyi, Hilary in GA
Does the stowing of the mower upright have any effect on the oil being somewhat at the back of the crankcase???
The commercial unit is an Xmark which of course is owned by Toro.
I've had a toro timemaster since 2020 and I've had very little trouble and I use it commercially. I've put on 450 hours and transmission and the engine are still doing great. The idler pulley busted on me about 200 hours in so I upgraded to steel ones like Taryl recomended. I also replaced the rear wheels, but other than that it's been great. The Turfmaster is just too heavy and doesn't maneuver like the Time master does. I think this mower is perfect for a solo guy who's doing small lawns in the suburbs.
You are about right Taryl. I put usually 50 hours a year on my John Deere GT262. Way less hours on my push mower.
Atomic GATOR blades. I remember their 'S' shaped blades but not the gators way back when. I've been running gators for years except on a Snapper with a Hi-vac setup. The Toro looks like a nice rig but I think I'll just keep on with the Roof 28 with the 8-horse Briggs I/C flat head and see what else it'll outlast. GBWYall!
Taryl your videos are very detailed,and I like those red circles you have in your videos
Man I had one of those a few years back 2014/15 maybe, it was a great mower, my model was the year before they put the bigger engine on them, isn't that the way it always happens........
The mower is a bit heavy for the width of the Tires, especially when using that bagger that holds so much grass. There is room for the tires to be double the width. It does indent turf even when you take a new path every time.. I have been using these mowers since the first model... Yes I have warn out those pulleys causing blade collisions... Warn out sets of tires too... I love the mower, great for leaf cleanups. First I mulch the leaves, then set the mower higher and just suck up any bigger pieces with the bag.. Less bagged leaves and good for the lawns.
very Good review , i have a ToRo personalpace , love the 6.75 motor, mine is only a rearbagger or mulcher it would great to have a side discharge
yes, that is a nice mower -and FAST, thanks for the review ...
You are correct about the switch setup on older Toro mowers. Those things would bite you in the butt if you had them off.
Taryl I have owned a Toro TimeMaster for a number of years, do you know of a inexpensive source for wheel bearing that I could purchase , seems silly to buy wheels, or sets of wheels when a wheel bearing go bad. I have repacked my wheel bearings a couple of times. Also a big issue with these Timemasters is the size of the gas tank just seems with thousands of these out there someone would have come up with a elegant solution? Buy the way I updated the idler pullies as you suggested works MUCH BETTER.
I wish they had battery electric version of the 30in
Oh whats the link for upgrading the pulleys? I guess on this site.
NO, your just use'n it wrong... ... gotta love it...
How does your engine sound with no load, blades not engaged. Mine has a slight random misfire and I was wondering if yours did the same.
Great review!
I've heard the residential model has a very small gas tank compared to the commercial.
Have you ever considered posting a video on a 'tag-along' gas tank modification?
It might be too dangerous, but I thought I'd mention it.
I'm currently restoring a 2015 Turfmaster. I'm thinking of taking the Kindasucki FJ180V off to repower a 22" mower. Would you recommend the 223cc Breaks N Scrapum or Krohler 224cc?
Love the videos keep up the good work
All is good bout the mower.. though they do need to upgrade the blade pulleys on it
I have the 2nd Gen exmark commercial 30 with the kai engine updated transmission, I have over 200 hrs on it and never changed a belt or anything on it, just sharpen blades and change my oil once a year with amsoil small engine oil. I don’t mow deep grass I use it as a finish cut mower though.
Hard to ever go back to a 21 inch mower once you get a bigger deck. Saves so much time.
Toro dissed Tarly up at the mower show a few years back. Now they are back groveling for product reviews.
Hey Taryl, good video. Is there a way to drill and tap a hole in the spindle to install a zerk fitting so ya can keep it greased?? Possibly a future video?
I want to get one but I don’t want to get something that has a lot of issues. Did they fix the pulley system on these? I heard that the belts would always slip? Thanks
Your videos have helped me fix a few of my owe equipment Thanks .You shod have at least 600.000 subs .Roy