Rob, you are a bloody GENIUS! I felt completely sick to my stomach when I went in to collect this after hard facing, and even more sick when I had to ring you up to tell you what had happened. Thanks for being so understanding and doing an absolutely amazing job fixing it. I’ll come by and collect it when we’ve got back to normal again. Cheers mate xxxxxxx
No problem mate. I know how stoked you were when it was done the first time so it's only right I have a good go at sorting it out. It's not perfect but it's a darn sight better than it was when you gave it me haha. Hopefully this virus is all over soon and you can take it for a test ride!! Stay safe.
I think they were a press tool manufacturer that he uses through his work. Very talented people but I expect they were used to dealing with much thicker material and just lacked the experience working with thin sheet metal.
Steel shoes are a specialist job. The cold-formed, mild-steel shoe with brazed-on hard facing (colmonoy or similar) evolved in the 1950s and is still the standard today.
Those were my first thoughts too but from what I've been told they tig'd on the hard face rather than brazing it on. It's only meant to be a thin layer...
Could you not use a consumable sole/ wear plate out of mild steel? Super cheap and easy to replace when worn. On second thoughts maybe stainless as it work hardens. Dunno, that's what id do. Cheers dude.
Hey Josh. It was a Colmony hard facing. I think plastic might wear a bit too fast to be practical but the idea of a sacrificial wear plate is starting to sound appealing. 👍
I didn't have the Oxy Torch at the time. I've had to borrow it to do this repair. Ideally the hard face would be brazed on but I've never tried to Tig braze a surface coating so didn't fancy trying on something I'd just spent two days making....Perhaps I should have.. If i'd had the Oxy at the time then yeah i'd have done it. It basically boiled down to timing and access to the right tools. Yeah it's never nice to see your work messed up. That said, I quite enjoyed fixing it haha
From what Danny told me after he had picked it up they had Tig'd on the hard facing rather than brazing it so it got way too hot. Then they tried to press it back to flat. Made a bit of a mess unfortunately.
Ken Maely is rolling in his grave over this shoe. I've built 3 shoes and found and was taught cold forming saves a lot of heat and looks better. Especially the toe cap.all cold hammered. For what it's worth.
Should have just asked you to make a second sole to weld to the bottom, stainless is pretty hardwearing on its own, and you could have just ground edges off and reattached a new one if and when it wore out
I did consider this when I first made it. Having a sacrificial sole would have been less work in the long run. If I ever make another one I might give it a go. I could do with some more heavy duty forming tools first though.
Building that bottom out of slight thicker material would work and not doing the case Harding. Especially when your using stainless. It would take YEARS to thin it beyond use… Years !!!
Rob, you are a bloody GENIUS!
I felt completely sick to my stomach when I went in to collect this after hard facing, and even more sick when I had to ring you up to tell you what had happened. Thanks for being so understanding and doing an absolutely amazing job fixing it. I’ll come by and collect it when we’ve got back to normal again. Cheers mate xxxxxxx
No problem mate. I know how stoked you were when it was done the first time so it's only right I have a good go at sorting it out. It's not perfect but it's a darn sight better than it was when you gave it me haha. Hopefully this virus is all over soon and you can take it for a test ride!!
Stay safe.
I feel for you. Excellent craftsmanship!
Thanks very much. Its never easy when you see your hard work get messed up. but.. adapt and overcome ..and all that..
Thanks for watching.
Whatever weld/fabrication shop your friend used needs to hire new workmen who either know what their doing or could say "this process wont work"
I think they were a press tool manufacturer that he uses through his work. Very talented people but I expect they were used to dealing with much thicker material and just lacked the experience working with thin sheet metal.
Steel shoes are a specialist job. The cold-formed, mild-steel shoe with brazed-on hard facing (colmonoy or similar) evolved in the 1950s and is still the standard today.
Wouldn't it be easier to make a new one? Admire your determination though.
In hindsight... probably. yes. 😂
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
Man they really heated that up looks like they used a industrial ark welder lol.
Those were my first thoughts too but from what I've been told they tig'd on the hard face rather than brazing it on. It's only meant to be a thin layer...
I think the ark was made of wood.
Could you not use a consumable sole/ wear plate out of mild steel? Super cheap and easy to replace when worn. On second thoughts maybe stainless as it work hardens. Dunno, that's what id do. Cheers dude.
Wow! Thankfully he knows you! What was the hard finish that they put on? Could he not of used plastic bolt on sections to replace once worn down?
Hey Josh. It was a Colmony hard facing. I think plastic might wear a bit too fast to be practical but the idea of a sacrificial wear plate is starting to sound appealing. 👍
I love it 🙂👍
Thanks very much. Glad you enjoyed it.
Why didn't Danny come back to you to do the hardening? I bet you were gutted when he gave it you back in that state.
I didn't have the Oxy Torch at the time. I've had to borrow it to do this repair. Ideally the hard face would be brazed on but I've never tried to Tig braze a surface coating so didn't fancy trying on something I'd just spent two days making....Perhaps I should have.. If i'd had the Oxy at the time then yeah i'd have done it. It basically boiled down to timing and access to the right tools.
Yeah it's never nice to see your work messed up. That said, I quite enjoyed fixing it haha
omg what did they do to it!
From what Danny told me after he had picked it up they had Tig'd on the hard facing rather than brazing it so it got way too hot. Then they tried to press it back to flat. Made a bit of a mess unfortunately.
@@Handmadeextreme that sucks! at least you got it back up to snuff, great work.
Great job in fixing someone else's balls up.
Been there once or twice.
What part of the UK are you in?
Thanks very much. I'm based near Loughborough in the East Midlands. Junction 23 M1.
Next time tack on a thicker plate on the bottom and when it get holes replace it. On a dirt track it will take years before it goes bad. Cheers
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Cheers, thanks for all the support.
Ken Maely is rolling in his grave over this shoe. I've built 3 shoes and found and was taught cold forming saves a lot of heat and looks better. Especially the toe cap.all cold hammered. For what it's worth.
Should have just asked you to make a second sole to weld to the bottom, stainless is pretty hardwearing on its own, and you could have just ground edges off and reattached a new one if and when it wore out
I did consider this when I first made it. Having a sacrificial sole would have been less work in the long run. If I ever make another one I might give it a go. I could do with some more heavy duty forming tools first though.
that thing will never break lol
That's the plan haha. Thanks for watching!
Building that bottom out of slight thicker material would work and not doing the case Harding. Especially when your using stainless. It would take YEARS to thin it beyond use… Years !!!
Hope you charged someone for the gas used, hehe.