India.Arie - Unconscious vs. Conscious Racism & Unfair Treatment of Artists | The Daily Show
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- Grammy Award-winning artist India.Arie unpacks the mistreatment of artists that caused her to leave Spotify, the unconscious versus conscious racism that surrounds Joe Rogan’s apology, and her life-changing moment with Maya Angelou. #DailyShow
00:00 Intro
02:25 The Issue with Spotify's Treatment of Music Artists
05:09 Asking for Accountability from Joe Rogan & Spotify
08:31 Conscious Racism vs. Unconscious Racism
12:28 Adjusting to Different Audiences
15:50 The Path and The Right to Redemption
20:30 Fielding Hateful Messages For Calling Out Racism
22:04 Doing the Work of Anti-Racism
24:51 Committing to Truth-Telling with Maya Angelou’s Help
28:23 A Better Framework in Society For Personal Growth
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This is one of the most respectful and sincere conversations I've ever seen at this level of media. It was like a conversation between friends.
Yess this is what needs to be happenings vulnerable conversations interviews that is going to get us some where at out of this loop.
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This is a lot like most Joe Rogan podcast episodes:)
@@Laughlivelove84 🤔
@@Laughlivelove84 right? Trevor rips into Rogan everytime he's in the headlines for more clicks/views, but he's slowly copying his interview style.
This was a great example of the type of dialogue that is missing in the mainstream media..Kudos to you both for your sensitivity, vulnerability, and honesty.
*Yes! it's awesome how much more highly accomplished, intelligent, enlightened, forgiving, & evolved these two amazing & beautiful human beings are compared to those violent thugs, & racist imbeciles who are only capable of spewing hate at them...!!!* 🧡
@@helloxonsfan you p
Exactly. How do we heal from situation. If a person wants to change they should have a chance.
Exactly! if someone is willing to change ask for forgiveness should be accepted, but still continue in the Society. Being banished it’s not the right way in the 21st-century we’re not cave people. 🙏🏽
I agree
Trevor has this serene calm about him when he's interviewing others. He is above all respectful. I have never, likely never will hear him say something to make his audience member uncomfortable. And if they are uncomfortable, he does his best to avoid making it worse or just outright alleviating it while asking the questions that need to be asked. I really enjoyed hearing Miss Arie speak. She makes wonderful music and she comes across as a sincere person.
I agree. He seems genuine and not just out for numbers. it says a lot about his character
This conversation allowed people to appreciate the intersectionality of racism and sexism that black women face and the implied violence that racialized words can hold for us. When people demonstrate who they are, you have to believe them. If they care about how you feel, it’s their responsibility to behave differently. Choosing not to trust their apology is not "casting them out”. It’s self-preservation. As a black woman moving through violent, white male dominated spaces, I don’t have the luxury of doing otherwise. Yes India! Hold on to your truth!
What f**** violence. You said a lot of words, without actually saying anything.
You said a word, sis! ❤️❤️❤️🎙️
All of this! 🙌🏾
@@bibaolaitan5189 nah, she said everything and you just want to disregard it. Just say that and be honest.
@Mira M Cut on the news and see the same of the little they will share throughout the U.S. still. Work place. School. Interactions in public. With law enforcement. Especially inner cities and MANY towns and citys in the south and mid west to this day with the youth whether boy or girl especially young black males. Racists and other nationalities who havent had that hidden inner fear or had to act different or walk different or put on masks for other races at the job or being pulled over or at school or having a gun pulled on you like I have many times and even my a$$ beat tf up......they dont and wont understand and are not a friend or ally. Its in them to be who they are.
She's becoming truth in mind, body and soul. Love them and this honest conversation. This is how to educate with love and openness.
Truth, courage and wisdom...
I believe is a lyric from one of her songs.....
@@mountainharpieI think it was Strength, Courage & Wisdom
@@Sunnyshininglight you are totally right... memory is funny like that I guess lol... but either way, I think she radiates strength and truth, courage and wisdom😉💜💜🎶👏🎶🎶🎶🫂💙🙏🏼🌎
"Becoming"?? lol
Becoming!!! I Love that…that she is and all of the rest!😌
Thank you dear sister India Arie for speaking up and shining a light on Spotify paying artists fraction of pennies, while paying millions to Joe Rogan and major record companies. I love India's artistry, integrity, and honesty. As an indie artist, I am inspired by her courage and grace. When she spoke about Ancestor Maya Angelou, who I adore, I saw it as a sign that in each generation there will be great artists who use their celebrity to champion equal rights and justice.
I respect everything that Trevor was saying in regard to Joe Rogan but my thing is that he didn't stop using the N word in his podcast because he knew people were listening and he realized it was wrong. He stopped because he realized people were listening and he knew continuing to use it would threaten that audience that he built. People should be allowed to grow and change and receive redemption if they hold themselves fully accountable. Joe didn't do that. he minimized the things he said or claimed that it he didn't mean what we think he meant. And he didn't lead his audience to recognizing that using the N word is wrong. He gave them the idea that using racist language is not a big enough to deal to warrant losing one's platform. They were in his comments saying that he had nothing to apologize for. India is so correct. If Joe wants to prove that he is not a racist, he needs to be actively anti racist and be fully accountable to his past racism.
Right !
Yes! And why is it black people no matter where we come from feel tasked with saving humanity? India is a class act. Trevor can learn a lot for her. She needs a show.
Yes! It’s very telling that Trevor’s original video on Joe Rogan was flooded with racist commenters. If Joe Rogan is not a racist, why is he attracting so many racists?
You hit the nail on the head!
You are very correct, but that is not going to happen, he definitely not going to take full accountability of what he did. Only reason he saying that he was sorry now is because he been expose and he don't want the heat. I bet he saying that word anytime he feel like it because that part of his nature and he not going to stop just like that.
I'm so blown away, what a profound conversation. I remember seeing her open at a Sade concert in MSG, she sang I am ready for love and mentioned that she had just written it, she has this talent for making you feel like you are the only person in the room, her sincerity is captivating and resonates deeply and I felt that again while watching this. Amazing.🖤
What s beautiful memory of seeing her life! I'd love to, if Pandemica ever passes...💜🌟🎶
I saw her open for Sade at the Arrowhead Duck Pond.
Love that we are the "live audience". If there was a room full of people as these thinkers cut into the topic, there may have been too much clapping to hear and process. This is Excellent, thank you...
Nice. Audiences are overrated.
Couldn't have said it better!!
Agreed. This is not trying to just entertain us, this is trying to connect ideas and people. If we are entertained by it, then it’s just a cherry on top.
"Im not the average girl from your video." I've been listening to your music since I was 9-10 and got my first iPod. I never vibed with pop music and the oversexualization of bodies in media. Listening to your music reassured me that I am not alone, and that what is important is my soul
Beautiful conversation with a beautiful woman I’ve always admired, thank you for changing up the show, Trevor. We need this.
What an amazing and thoughtful woman! Sending much admiration and respect to India.Arie and Trevor Noah. I know that nothing can blunt the blow of the horrific abuse you suffer through social media and the like, but this 61 year old white woman sends an ocean of respect, admiration, and love.
Trevor the anti semite and India who doesn't mind that...talking about another guy
@@kevindouglas5333 bbbbbb
@@kevindouglas5333 Trevor is not an anti-Semite but I suspect you are....
Obviously you havent seen the Holocaust survivors on his show.
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As a musician, I have so much compassion and respect for Ms. Arie. This took tremendous courage and I absolutely felt her heart. Trevor is an impeccable interviewer as well. Every word was said in excellence and integrity. Thank you both so much for this conscious contribution to this massive conversation.
Me too ❤️❤️❤️
Spotify need to stop the free tier and stop paying big artist to be on their platform. Total mistreatment for indies
I've liked her since her first hit "Video Girl" came out. She rarely does interviews, so it's cool to hear her. Just re-ordered her first CD since part of it was messed up. I need to catch up with her music anyway---she's always been down-to-earth, and very talented.
They're both race hustlers
Joe made racist jokes so he must be racist she says in interview with guy who made Jewish jokes...amazing
I didn't know India Arie was in the middle of this mess, but I'm so glad it's HER. India is that woman. This was dropped in her lap, because SHE needed to be heard. She needed to bring her sensitivity to this conversation, and India, I pray that this is just the beginning of you using your speaking voice, like you have used your gift of song and songwriting since I began listening in 2001. India you are so many of us... You have healed through your music. Your gift may just be expanding. Thank you for being brave, standing in TRUTH....I fell in love with the music 20 years ago, and now, a new respect for the woman you are today💕💕. Trevor, thanks for having the India Arie on the show.
This is one of the many examples of the artist or creator of the item gets less than a person who puts it on their media platform!
She got her self in the middle of it by making an ultimatum to Spotify, she said she would remove her music until they pulled Joe Rogans content. They didnt pull his content, she eventually put her music back on spotify regardless because of the amount of money she was losing.
These are the conversations we need - open, vulnerable, loving, nuanced, working towards better together as the sensitive humans we are.
I listened to this conversation as a podcast and loved it so much I decided to watch it here. I love the honest, nuanced discussion about conscious and unconscious racism. I was raised in an environment where racism was normalized. As an adult, I became aware of unconscious, racist thoughts in my own head. I'm learning to do the work, but it's something I'll probably always be working on.
It reminds me of a scripture from Philippians 2:12 "so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
Now do trevor's anti semitic jokes
@@kevindouglas5333 what does that even mean?
@@arizonakaren racist towards Jewish people. Trevor has a history himself.
@@robmiller6785 Proof, please. And show how it is even more damaging than referring to a neighbourhood of people as "Planet of the Apes".
Your "equivalency argument" has more holes than a wheel of Swiss cheese.
Thank you for writing this.
I really want Mr. Rogan to engage in a thoughtful conversation about racism. I think he either doesn't care about the fact that his celebrity presence carries weight and that there can be serious consequences for harmful remarks or he is mercifully hoping to deflect all of this and go his way and earn his dollar.
If his remark about "Planet of the Apes" was made to simply amuse some friends I would like him to consider the following questions:
1. Would you have felt comfortable tossing out that remark if you had been with friends who were Black? Or Asian? Or maybe even all-female? If so, why? And if not, why?
This is exactly what systemic racism is. And we have to understand just how deeply embedded these ideas are and how they still do REAL DAMAGE to people.
I am glad you are seeing the problem. Let's work together and end it👍🙂!
I can honestly say that this by far is an example of how to have an open, honest and "messy" conversation without leaving a bad taste in someone's mouth. I was glued to this the entire time. Waooooooooh!! Thank you Ms. India Irie, thank you Trevor. 🥰🥰🥰🥰
So true
It’s “Whoa”
India Arie wasn't coming out about racism. She was taking her stance with Neil Young and used the opportunity to shine. Neil Young sang Southern Man and yet India Arie chose to stand with him.
Indeed
@@sayvay1933 I am wondering if you know the lyrics of “Southern Man”?…reading your comment, it seems as if you think “Southern Man” is a racist song. Did I read that wrong? I am open to have misunderstood your comment. I am fairly certain that Neil Young is vehemently anti-racist. Keep in mind, Neil Young is a Canadian and wrote “Southern Man” from the perspective of a Canadian…even if he was from the South and singing that song, it is obviously an indictment of the racist “Southern Man.”
Check out the lyrics for “Southern Man” online. You will see. I am certain that Neil Young is also in agreement with Ms. Arie.
Racism has never been unconscious, it needs a person’s consent. Engaging in racism is a choice, always has been, always will be.
While I agree, there are people who are not capable of realizing they have choices and so they follow their herd(which means someone else's choice is their choice).. that's why we have such a mob mentality at times.
@@EricBarthDev There is no such thing as “ not realizing you have a choice” especially when it comes to racism, everyone was born with a conscience, the sense of right and wrong. If a person is engaging in racism, it’s because they choose to. Unfortunately people are cowardly and choose to move with the herd because they don’t have the courage to break away from it or they benefit from being apart of it.
Since Racism is known nationwide , why do AA think that when white people say racist things , it’s unconscious? At this point if white people are saying racist things it’s because they choose not to educate themselves on this nationally known ideology within their community. Why is it incumbent upon AA to teach them about racism when they have the free will to educate themselves about it, but they chose not to? The coddling is ridiculous. If white people aren’t collectively okay with racism, then they would be proactive in educating themselves about it, this way you won’t have to feign ignorance when you get caught saying or doing something racist, you’ll already know what racism is, and hopefully you’ll have enough respect and dignity not to engage in it periodt.
The only racial demographic who can solve racism is white people…seeing as they created the ideology to benefit themselves.
@@LovehardFightharder_ 💯! Right on point! It’s a choice…. we’ve been speaking, discussing, debating these issues for centuries. It’s not our responsibility to always have to rise up, turn the other cheek & educate white ppl on what is right and wrong. Pahleeeeese…… and they call themselves Christian’s …. not all…. please…. Jesus wouldn’t treat ppl a ppl with such disdain and inhumanity.
They need to actually have their life and their doctrine match ……
The problem is they don’t want to give up their privileges and order in the Racist System that THEY CREATED ……
Absolutely
I know a few people that I believe they’re not aware of their racist ideology/thoughts.
Ex: Had a white “friend” say she wishes she was black all the time, and I finally asked why? She responded, so she can get special treatment like affirmative action. I laughed and asked her if she knew why we had to legislate some type of equality in hiring, college admissions etc.. she didn’t seem to understand American history. She was ignorant. She thought it was just a gift for being black.
That was a beautiful, vulnerable and honest conversation. Thank you India and Trevor.
Yes. The anti semite and the woman who doesn't mind him being anti semite...talking about another person
Are you kidding?
@@kevindouglas5333 being a jewish woman,i would like to know why you think trevor noah is an anti Semit???
Speak Kevin Douglas. You made a statement, dear. That's what this whole thing is about..... Conversation. If there is evidence for your statement that you would like us all to consider it would seem that you would want to lay it out.
Amazing woman! Enlightened and yet so humble.
I'm so glad that this show has no problem pivoting when there's a more important conversation to have. Messy conversations are vital, that's where growth happens. I'm so glad to see you encouraging that.
I've loved India from her very first album. This interview has catapulted her miles higher in my opinion. She is a beautiful spirit expressed through a beautiful voice. Amazing.
So much respect for India and Trevor! This was an amazing conversation and I could listen to you guys for hours. Thank you!
Thank you so much for having this conversation, so that we could appreciate the REAL message of India.Arie.
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I understand Trevor’s point, but the onus of forgiveness should not be on the aggrieved party. Especially when there is no structural change.I hope we can embrace humility and encourage European Americans to support each other through their own anti-racism work.
Very underrated comment.
It makes me really proud as a South African to see how you conduct yourself, navigating sensitive topics and always having the intellect to see the story from both sides of the coin. To be able to not make snap judgements about people, to give them the benefit of the doubt or just to take the time and try and see the situation from a different angle, is a real virtue in todays society. The fact that you have such a large platform and are using it constructively, is really encouraging, and I hope that more people are inspired by your actions. Thanks Trevor :)
We need this conversation in South Africa too
Speak your truth even when your voice trembles. I am also on this journey. Thanks to Trevor and India.Arie!
We need more conversations like this to help people think through all of the crazy from a very REAL and grounded perspective. It's not easy, but the only way. Thanks so much for doing this!
This woman is someone who hit me upside the head with her music. Albums one, two, and three were mind blowing.
She is magnificent.
The situation with Spotify, and the inequity, is just freaking staggering.
Truth , integrity, frank-conversation, and humanity are what we as a society--need.
A hearty wooot to this interview.
Stay conscious.
Go listen to Southern Man by Neil Young and see how much grace India Arie has. That's the man she stood by doing what was initially her point was about the shot and misinformation not racism.
@@sayvay1933 Ma'am....
"Truth , integrity, frank-conversation, and humanity are what we as a society--need." If this is what you stand by then you should listen to Rogans podcast. Pretty much sums it up.
@@sayvay1933 I looked up some information after reading the lyrics to the song as you suggested. My question is did you actually look them up along with additional information? Please before tearing down people based on incorrect facts take a moment to do some research. A like isn't worth tearing others down only to have people do their research and see you aren't even correct.
Great interview, very open, not one sided, very vulnerable. I hope Trevor keeps his interviews like this with a long format and discusses real topics.
I really respect and admire her. Thanks for this amazing interview. I can relate so much to her views. As an Indigenous woman I have felt the shock of the reality of seeing people for who they really are. I quit Spotify after she came out and said what was really happening.
This makes me think of speeches we learn in History that could change the world. I truly believe there is a lot of truth and power in these this conversation.
India Arie’s beauty and grace got me through the hardest of times through her music. She is so precious.
I'm glad you had this conversation with Ms India Arie. She needed it for sure. She is full of grace.
Go listen to Southern Man by Neil Young and see how much grace India Arie has. That's the man she stood by doing what was initially her point was about the shot and misinformation not racism.
Lol "she needed it".
Full of grace? She's flip-flopping on the issue and being disingenuous. She's just jumped on this bandwagon and using Joe Rogan to get attention. Which... if she's being honest THIS time... that Rogan really is a racist (which he's not, but for the sake of argument)... then that means she's perfectly okay with using a racist to further her career.
@@billybatson7852 somehow you've made her the bad guy in this situation. In defense of Joe Rogan, the irony in this comment lol... Did you watch the entire interview? She mentioned you by name basically. She also explained why she had a change of heart. You think she cares about furthering her career while also asking for her music to be taken off of the biggest music streaming platform?? Her actions match her words and she's now asking Joe Rogan to do the same.
@@billybatson7852 if you haven't realised by now, and you probably haven't because the first time you even heard of India.Arie was when she came up in a conversation alongside your favourite podcaster, her career is doing just fine without any help of (accidental) racists. And if you think you know anything about honesty, you'd better start an honest conversation with yourself, preferably with some help from a trained professional.
India Arie gave me chills talking about her meeting with Maya Angelou. It's so true what Maya told her and the chilling part was how adamant she is about staying true to herself and Maya. From the first time I heard India Arie's music, I could feel that. I wish I was there to give her a hug. Thank you, Trevor. --KateColors
Thank you Sista Arie✊✊. We need this kinda Wakanda energy. Black dignity is essential.
White too. Stop being racist
@@magafun Awww...another triggered Maga Snowflake. Nobody is competing for your white dignity, which is constantly coddled all throughout American History. However, you too can be an ally promoting Black dignity which speaks for itself without denigrating "Whiteness". Why don't you tap into that Wakanda energy and tell your guy Rogan or the racist elements of your Maga crowd to stop throwing the N-Word around?
@@philiptemidara9456 man, you shouldn’t act like those you dislike. Being triggered that easy then jumping to conclusions keeps you from progress. Rogan is a Bernie supporter so idk why you putting maga in the same sentence lol
@@josec1538 Phillip whas not talking about rogan being an "magat" but about mega being a "magat"...
learn how to read.
I'm so proud of you India!!! You stand on the shoulders of many Agents of Change including Maya Angelou, Fannie Lou Hammer, Ida B. Wells, Angela Davis and so many more. Your ancestors and many of us who stand in this fight with you are holding up your arms to ensure victory against every stitch of racism so intentionally woven into the fabric of Amerikkka
I just love how this interview felt so much more like a conversation. Of course, the entertainment media loves its "frienemies" conflicts between two recognizable names--it sells advertising. Meanwhile older artists are selling their work to investors as they reach retirement age.
As far as getting out a message, before the internet, a political party who could fit their message on a bumpersticker or the front of a foam trucker's hat or a T shirt, did well with a crowd of voters who didn't want to listen to a five minute policy-wonk speech. These were voters who didn't want government in their lives, so they were not interested in a government plan for them. The internet has, of course, accelerated the point and purpose of "sound bites".
Albert ..🤔
An absolutely essential conversation between two of my heroes. We need to all listen to each other fully in full context with all ambiguity and messiness. We need more conversations where people are allowed space and time to discuss and explain without everything being yes or no, right or wrong, black or white, in easily shareable soundbites. I love both of you.
If Trevor Noah is your hero you desperately need better heroes
You realize she made a video that was the definition of soundbites, right? Your hero??
@@emilysimpson4407 Have u really thought deeply about what ur mad, you sound full hate, at ppl being having a vulnerable triggering conversation. If u want better, be better.
@@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55 Why? What's your problem with Trevor Noah?
@@changetocome100 I'm not full of hate - just pointing out that the person is being rather critical of the exact same thing that she did. And I would think one would be more careful selecting their heros. Telling me I'm full of hate is a cop out for me pointing out the obvious.
I’m just hearing about India , went on to iTunes and bought Testimony Vol.1: Life and Relationship. Thank Trevor for bringing her on.
“Journey to India” is where it all began. “I am not my hair” is a song she wrote they referenced in the beginning. “Brown Skin” will make you smile.
I know buying music on vinyl is an insufferable cliche, but I continue to do it for this very reason … Spotify has returned the music industry to the 1960’s exploitation of artists
You mean 50’s.
@@lorenharris2965 They were exploited in the 60's too.
My thoughts exactly.
Let’s be aware that this is not just Spotify or just the music industry. Ir is EVERY endeavor, every business in the type of capitalism we have allowed to form in our country.
As opposed to every other music service. Buy a clue
I've loved India Arie since she came out too. Bought her first CD, and have followed her ever since. Much love and respect hermana! 🙌
You just inadvertently showed why she's out there trashing Rogan... for attention. Just a few days ago, she said that Rogan wasn't racist. Now she says he is. Just looking for attention.
@@billybatson7852 You didn't listen
Oh, get real. She was famous long before anybody heard of Rogan---she's a best-selling artist. She's never needed him or anybody else for fame. Stop spouting off about what you don't know or don't understand.
Recently had a similar conversation on a group chat with friends about how "unconscious" racism is the major issue in the U.S and because its unconscious too many people think it doesn't exist or isn't as bad. And because they know being a racist is bad, they therefore deny allegations when they're caught doing something unconsciously racist.
I hope your friends talked some sense into you lol.
@@untypicalmillennial6429 Nope all agreed how unconscious racism and inadvertent biases are the issue. We're not perfect, we do racist things but that doesn't necessarily make us bad people as long as we try to better ourselves
You are living in a bubble. They are racist because if they deny it, it is subconscious racism? I call full BS. This is the same circular logic as "fragility". Real problems are corporations calling all the shots and then dividing us by race/gender/generation and climate change. You can talk about race all you want, but it won't keep the sea from flooding our coastlines or increase the minimum wage.
@@untypicalmillennial6429 really? ...
@@tradeprosper5002 you are living in a bubble if you think America didn't have a problematic history with race. It's NEVER been truly addressed because people like you keep wanting to ignore it and deflect with other topics as if those are the only issues that matter.
Probably the best and most beautifully nuanced interview I've seen on the 10+ years I've been following the daily show. Thank you both for having this insightful and honest conversation and sharing it with us
Would love to see a conversation with India Arie, Joe Rogan, and Trevor Noah ….
We are not gonna see that. Ever. Cause these 2 chops are racist.
Same here.
@@otomarjupiter45 who ?
lol. what would rogan add? he had a podcast. he's said enough. what are you unclear on? lol
@@otomarjupiter45 If you think these two are racist why are you watching chop?
I freaking love India for standing up for what’s right and for living in her truth! We need more people like her✊🏾
My take-aways “I have no mortal enemies.” “Just tell the truth.” “Give the option to adopt a different label” 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 My fav segment so far
Her commitment to honesty is inspiring. Great conversation.
"Being a racist doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you a person raised in this society." THAT ONE BLEW ME AWAY.
Yup... the fact that she can't see how damaging that is for ALL races in this country is astounding. I'm beginning to think that SHE is the racist one and that her views come from her own feelings that she keeps hidden.
@@billybatson7852 If telling the truth is damaging then demolish it all and build it from scratch.
racism is hated an it wrong just to hate because u can then u r a bad person
@@billybatson7852 yeah so wrong for her not to empathize with the racist guy.
@@billybatson7852 I'm not going to hold your educative subnormality against you, Captain Marvel. You are indeed a product of modern society in the disunited states and entitled to your opinion, no matter how dumb it actually is. "Beginning to think" indeed...
I really admire the bravery, honesty and intelligence of this conversation. Thank you ❤️
“Education is the way out.” So true.
I so love these conversations. I pray that those who think this language is okay will start moving to positive action.
thank you for putting the whole interview on here! I know it was long but I loved every minute of it. Learned a lot
Agreed! After looking through some of the negative comments I worry some people didn't watch the important latter 2/3rds of the show.
I understand what Trevor is saying but he has to factor in that people are always asking the victims to consider the people doing the crime when it comes to black white relationship.
Yes. Developed a bit of a revulsion against some people, even to people who are not conciously racist, but are living in a mind bubble, genuinely believing racism is in the past in their country and media and people with a craving for recognition are making it a thing again, not wanting to admit any other truth even when proved wrong. It's still everywhere and everybody is capable of it and has to be called out.
I hate to have serious conversations these days, because people are picking cherries and bringing/turning things out of context. People are digesting information differently and sience has become witchcraft or an opinion, because sometimes it defies ones well worn, wrong worldview. Everybody has answers, where these answers came from doesn't matter anymore. A different opinion is considered wrong and a direct assault. 🤪
@@alexpond648 you do know trevor has made Jewish jokes.....so you say call it out but here you are listening to him and licking it up....self aware and ironic huh
@@kevindouglas5333 Don't know what you mean with that and what jokes you're refering to. Why that is making me self aware or why this is ironic? I also wrote that everybody is capable or racism, so would you elaborate? YouToube recommended this interview and I agree with what I saw so far. I'm not that familiar with his work. All I know is, that he is a South African comedian, who has become very popular in the US during the last years. He also did some German/Swiss jokes that I saw and I didn't felt offended the way he did them. So, was he called out and what did he said about it.
@@kevindouglas5333 Also, it's irrelevant to whether or not someone is a hypocrite, the words that someone says are not dependent on whether or not the person themselves adheres to what they say. It may make them seem less credible, but an idea has nothing to do with the person who says it.
For example, someone who smokes two packs a day can tell you smoking is bad for you and advise you not to do it. You may not think highly of them given what they aren't following their own advice, but that doesn't affect how true it is.
@@kevindouglas5333 why bring that up? It didn't have anything to do with this video...
I love India Arie even more. I really appreciated the interview. Trevor and India gave great energy while trying to show a Black perspective from their Black perspective.
Such a necessary conversation! Thank you Trevor for sharing your platform with India! India keep telling the truth and expanding🙏🏾💫
An honest and frank conversation that hits to heart of what the actual problem was and is.
I know nothing about her, but this was a fine interview, and this woman just glows with instant likability.
Thank you. I find these conversations immensely helpful at concidering perspectives I am unable to personally experience from.
This conversation is so needed, so important and real and it felt safe to express. As a fan of both Rogan and Arie this made me feel like those two should have a conversation that all of us need to hear. Rogan loves to learn, he digs listening to others and respects ppl like Arie, and I think he would listen and learn some new truths. Plus, if that helps some in his audience to hear a new perspective they haven't before, then it's even better!
completely agree!
That would be progress.
What does Joe Rogan need to learn? That B people are not apes? FOH.
That was powerful! It's scary to be vulnerable, but there's no change without it. Two beautiful minds and souls. XOXO
I've never heard of her before except 1 album my ex sent me that was really great. I'm so entranced by her mind, what a wonderful human. While she looks up to Maya as her hero, I hope she knows so many others will be looking up to her the same way ❤
While I don't want to say that Joe Rogan's response to his past behavior was disingenuous, I do agree with India that he's maybe not willing to accept the gravity of what he did and said. He has regrets because it's backfiring on him now, but I'm not sure it's enough to not only prevent it from happening again but from exposing some of his fans to coming to terms with their own racism, if they are willing to defend his misbehavior. Cancel culture doesn't work. Instead, we should adopt education and civil culture, by having these messy and real conversations that both India and Trevoh acknowledged. I hope she stays safe and can successfully remove her catalog from Spotify, as is her wish.
Imagine the dialogue by himself in close proximity with his friends and family.
Thank you for choosing to speak the truth without being intimidated🙏🏼🍃
I love India’s spirit! We need more conscious people like her in the world 🌎💜
really appreciate you, Trevor. most conscientious, intelligent person with humor in the public eye right now. would love to see Whoopi Goldberg on your show as well, having the same type of conversation please.
Bahahahaha!
Trevor Noah is an inspiration to race hustlers everywhere
@@ParkerCharlesGabriel Why? Cuz he's Black>?
I absolutely love this conversation. We need to have more of these conversations, and not just with like minded people.
Outside of a ratings context, Joe Rogan doesn't care at all about the storm he caused calling black people apes. In fact, he has received a huge reward for it both financially and mentally. If you've watched the show in the recent years, you'll notice behaviorally he's been testing the broadness of his influence and power for quite some time. He'll say outlandish things and then pretend to defend them. You'll notice that these tests are seldom socially meaningful. But mentally, continual gratification is what success can look like to the ego. For Spotify, It has become super easy to fleece this influence and power, because these are his thoughts and imaginations. Joe Rogan is saying the quiet part out loud. Joe Rogan is performing the script that is in his head. The subsequent ratings and ego inflation are the single monetized measurement of his success. This is the internal path to feeling like you've made it - to thinking to earn more, you must go further. You must show your dominance over your experiences. You must show your dominance over all other classes within your stratum. And this is mostly done by insult.
I'm so grateful to you for having the conversations we should all be having-- thought with kindness and compassion. Much love.
Dear India, I know and love your music, but I fell in love with your beautiful soul on a whole other level hearing you talk. Please talk! I am one who is not best in decoding poetry and I got to experience your wisdom when nervous and talking
I usually do not comment on topics this sensitive especially when it comes to racism but I found this conversation exceptionally poignant and thought provoking. Until we allow a safe space in our society for controversial behavior to be amended and corrected ....... Then NO ONE or NO THING will ever change willingly. Thank you both for sharing your TRUTH with us.
That was everything🌟 The transparency between the two. Trevor taking on accountability.. sooooooooooooo proud face😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
The awareness and energy 🌟🌟🌟
I learned so much from this conversation, so much from Trevor, so much from Arie. Thank u 💜💜
Yes. Trevor the anti semite and India who doesn't seem to mind him being anti semite...talking about another guy
@@kevindouglas5333 chill out Chad, you sound ridiculous. You are most likely the only antisemite here.
You should stop watching yt and read some books.
@@otomarjupiter45 people can do both...
what makes you think you can lecture people on yt about reading more books.
Yes, saying sorry is Never enough unless one's behavior after that is making honest effort to do far better. Yeah, refreshing to hear the messy conversation about all this and the need for those with powerful platforms to be will to have messy conversations ( as well as the people in our personal lives. Thank you for always being willing ~ beautiful hearted, talented, inspiring Trevor Noah and India Arie...I'm white. I heard about this stuff, quit spotify & told them why...for this + poor treatment people of color, musicians in general.
Wow your name brings that memories Leelee and lala they were a mess girlfriend and boyfriend they're every other move was deception and intimidation they both went to jail though a regular Bonnie and Clyde with no car in a way I feel sorry for them though it's kind of pathetic when you're only stuck with dealing with a person on that particular level a million dollars will be sitting in front of you and you would slap it in the face before it even got offered to you so yeah I guess it's better to be we
Rogan realized that saying the n-word wasn't okay years ago and so he stopped doing it. In fact, there was a specific moment where it was said on his show (at his urging to prove a point) when he realized it was wrong and so he stopped. You know who would've been more than happy to have a "messy conversation" about this? Joe Rogan. But this... just using Rogan to flit around for attention from people who have adopted a groupthink attitude is just preaching to the choir. This is all just fake outrage. Had she TRULY been bothered, she would've reached out to Rogan and requested an interview. Heck... she could still do that now if she wanted to... but that wouldn't work for her because her only real goal is to get pats on the back and say a bunch of nonsense that's only true in her head. I seriously can't believe people are falling for what she's doing.
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@@billybatson7852 I have a feeling you didn't watch this whole video at all and just want to hate on her because you riding Joe junk lol
@@tonysmith4702 I have a feeling you didn't pass the fourth grade. lol Where was I wrong in what I said? Yes, I did watch the video... but it's all nonsense... everyone already knows that she said Rogan isn't racist... so coming on Trevor's show to backtrack about it is just silly... so everything she said has been tainted and just feels like a written script from someone else.
I'm not riding Joe's junk... I mean, how old are you for saying that? 14? It's just nonsense. India shared an edited video so that she could take advantage of the situation and get some attention. That didn't really work, so she said that he wasn't racist. That didn't sit well with the anti-Rogan crowd, so she complained about her "evil" music label not taking her music off Spotify. And now she's going back from what she said and saying that Rogan is "consciously racist." It's all about getting attention. The funny thing is that she's trying to make more money by using a "consciously racist" person to do it.
Hilarious.
Excellent conversation. And I think Joe needs to invite India.Arie on to his show so that they can have a “messy” conversation and lead people the right way. It’s true what she said, he hasn’t done enough to show people a better way of dealing with the issue
He doesn't have to... it's his show. Welcome to America
Did you listen to Joes apology? I mean he said to his listeners in no uncertain terms he was wrong for his shameful behavior and he hasn’t said it in years. If you listen to Joe you would know he would have her on in a second and have a great conversation. Did CNN play his full apology? No, why is that? Why would a news network not play his apology?
@Matthew Bernier Then he should invite her onto his show. It ain't Algebra; it's simple gesture.
@@matthewbernier9587 I imagine many listeners think Joe apologized because he had to to avoid cancel culture and not because he actually means it. Future conversions on his show on white privilege and unconscious bias would be super helpful and totally in line with being a place for open conversation BUT.. he probably knows this is not what his audience wants to hear. That is the elephant in the room here. Joe may/may not be racist but he knows that many of his listeners either are racist or are ok with racist behavior, at a bare minimum finding it amusing, so he engages with it to benefit from racism. Multiple figures in the media do this. It's wrong but it works for them financially. That's what's on the line. Money.
I loved this conversation. It’s thought provoking. I think Joe Rogan validates the consciously racist. However, if he starts to do the work, he will lose some of them because they will no longer feel accepted, but he might actually get to some that are more mature.
India Arie is such a light to behold. Such a sincere conversation. Bravo!
What a beautiful and nuanced conversation. Thank you guys.
I think Trevor needs to allow grown-ups who choose to be racist over and over again to accept the consequences of their actions.
I agree. I love Trevor and I see he’s trying to lead the lesson being compassionate by example and I respect him even more for it.
I just think he’s wrong about Joe Rogan.
He’s coming from a place of love and empathy, though. I can’t knock him for that.
I'm glad somebody said it. I got love for Trevor, but this conversation and the comment section felt a little circular and gaslighting.
I'm saying!! This is beyond us. Leave it to the Lord chiiiile
@@kangaroofoot yes! Thank you for putting that so nicely.
@@coloursfilm oh my goodness yes! Thank you 💕💕💕💕💕
I love these kinds of conversations. Wish we had them more. This was AWESOME! And I'm going to go listen to some of her music!
That is the key. Artists pull your work from the platform. Even though it may be a challenge as India.Arie mentioned. With a new platform, they have found a way to exploit artists again. The shame is that many of these artists' works will become part of the library of our culture. While at the same time, most of these podcasts will end up in the garbage bin of history; mountains of forgotten and mostly meaningless conversations.
I've always liked India.Arie's music, I had no idea of what a beautiful soul she was until this interview. More importantly, I love the way this was presented and discussed.
I feel like Trevor and Miss India should start a podcast called "Messy Conversations"!!!!
Ms India Arie and Trevor such a refreshing conversation. Love listening to intelligent people.
Intelligent people? Them? Lol, okay
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Thank you Ms. Arie and Trevor for this bit of truth and humanity which is increasingly harder to find.
amazing! I kinda felt like I was back in kindergarten and it was story time. I was captivated by the deep conversation and didn't want it to end. great job guys. great questions everyone should be asking themselves. wow! that was pretty deep and honest talk. thank you. thank you. thank you. 👏👏👊
Beautifully messy conversation. Lots to unpack and think about. Bravo India.Arie and Trevor Noah for willing to say really personal things and actively listening, especially when they didn't necessarily agree.
Just wow, this conversation is pure gold. Thank you two 😊
Why cause they say he cool to say n word but whoppi had leave 2 weeks lol
@@The_Level_Up_Show Well considering Rosanne got fired from her show, I'd say it's a mixed bag...
The nuance and care in this conversation is SO refreshing. The world could use so much more of this. Keep it up, people!
We build a better world because of people like India Arie speaking from her heart, and Trevor Noah, speaking truth with her. I find it difficult to say the same about Joe Rogan, Spotify, or the social infrastructure that creates and feeds them. We will progress if the ignorant seek understanding and awareness. That's how I see an entertainer like Joe Rogan. But justice has to play out somewhere too, and what Spotify does by rewarding people like Joe and profiting at the expense of artists, is not just.
This is such a great conversation. Thoughtful, rational, honest, brilliant. Well done Trevor and India.Arie.
This is the daily show @ its absolute best!!! Such an amazing conversation that I hope everyone will listen too. We all need to acknowledge our own bias in order to be better as a species together and beneficial to humanity.
Thank you India Arie!!!! I’m sorry isn’t enough. Do something!! Lead his followers…
stay safe and practice self-care. Your music and spirit uplifts millions!!💕💕💕💕
THANK YOU so much for this...I wish y'all could've kept on digging deeper into the meat of this conversation (Trevor please invite India back regularly and often!). I live under a rock and never heard India's music until tonight during therapy group when the facilitator played I Am Light as a meditation. Of course I'm a fan now and intend to fully explore her work now that I see the artist. Maya Angelou is one of my heroes as well and the work of therapy is of course to learn to tell the truth--to say what you're most afraid to say--so it feels serendipitous to hear how she gave you the mantra that's become your guiding star. I hope for you India that the pain of telling your truth during this ongoing phase of collective growth will yield some sort of personally sweet fruit that will refill your cup. 💖
My question is this: what platform can we buy the music that directly supports the artist?
Right! I think as of now it’s Napster / Tidal
I just bought a cd from her own web page, that's got to be the best way.
India Arie looking out for future generations and fighting for fairness. This isn’t about being Left or Right this is about being human
Really? She is huh? Go listen to Southern Man by Neil Young and see how much grace India Arie has. That's the man she stood by doing what was initially her point was about the shot and misinformation not racism.
@@sayvay1933 Do you have a personal problem with Miss Irie? You're all over the place making the same comment. What is your goal?
But... ??? ... She is racist. ??? I don't really think being a racist is looking out for future generations and fighting for fairness...
@@mouthymicah84 What makes her racist? What has she done that was racist? Who did she hurt? Who did she instruct/encourage to hurt other people?
@@AKing69 Um.. Discrimination based solely off of one's skin color... Or even preferential treatment based off of skin color.
That has basically always been the textbook definition, right? That, or having the belief that one race is superior to another, or that one race is inferior to another.
She said there is no context in which a white person can use the n-word. So, talking about taking free speech from a white individual based on the color of their skin is the racism I believe she supports.
Popular speech never needed defending. Unpopular speech is what needs defense. The best disinfectant is sunlight.
Why do you think patriots would support burning the flag? It is important for the people to be heard. No matter the message.
Let's say Rogan is racist. If he never said the n-word then none of this would matter, right? The cancel culture thing, anyway. No one was trying to take him off before the "misinformation" campaign, or this n-word controversy. And misinformation is proven to be spewed by FOX, CNN, and all the other mainstream media, too. And if you have ever seen the news unfairly portray blacks in a negative light, you might say they were racist, as well...
If he never said it, his podcasts would be pretty much the same, right? They just wouldn't contain that word. And if his views would still be the same, what is the difference? (I won't even mention all the hypocrites, that literally have said the word but are calling him out... or Trevor Noah's Anti-Semitic remarks... 🤔)
This is a phenomenal conversation and I applaud India Arie for taking that first step to talking about it and not just singing about it. You did so well India ♥♥♥ And Thank you Trevor for having her on the show!
We love you SiStar! Keep standing in your truth India Arie and thank you, Trevor for opening your platform for her to be heard
I’m the same. I’d rather be honest about being nervous or anxious
I’m not even on Spotify. Done with them.
Trevor Noah deserves a Nobel prize.. As articulate as India was. Trevor's calm patience is admirable for someone with a different opinion
Very profound point Trevor made regarding our society not having a framework to not allow people to be wrong or inappropriate when it comes to racism or discrimination. Does society give us an option to not be a racist, sexist, misogynist or a xenophobe?
What if people lost their badges or privileges if they chose not to have any humility or if they were less of a human? What if their actions were looked down upon? Why aren’t there consequences for it? It’s really harmful to not have this conversation. It’s damaging to not look at all of the implications and the racial traumas and stresses and all of it’s complexities which are
difficult because of the insidious nature of racism, and the disregard for the nondominant cultural experience.
Clearly, the psychological effects of racism is harmful on both ends, and we never move forward and grow from it, collectively. We never really grow from all of these deficiencies which keeps us apart and further from the truth.