Age and health does take its toll. Tony Banks says he can't play "Mad Man Moon" anymore, and that was one of his most brilliant keyboard performances. As for "professional" musicians not expressing frustration when a rehearsal isn't going well, not true. After a 35 year radio career and lots of interaction with musicians, I know better. In fact, Phil's reaction was mild compared to some other blow ups I've known of. They all readily admit that their rehearsals begin rough, but by the time of the show, they've got it polished very well. That's what rehearsals are for.
I'm 54 and still a decent drummer. But years ago, I was actually a very good drummer for what I did. I can't do some of what I used to do and that's just toll on the body. It sucks but you learn how to adjust.
It reminds me of the meme where the guy throws the papers up in the air and says "fuck it" then goes over and picks them up say " nope, I still need these"...
Phil, you are aniway the NUMBER ONE! I learn to play the drum, only by you! Watching and watching again your concert, old and new. You are great! by Duke
Back in the day, Phil had a legendary quick single bass drum foot, using Bonham's technique and the same pedal - the Ludwig Speed King - which is a direct drive pedal (no chain, no strap). Phil swore by it. Nic, his son, tells a story on Drumeo where got a DW pedal for Christmas and showed it to his dad, and Phil said yeah, but it's no Speed King. LOL! Anyway, Phil hadn't practiced at all before this rehearsal. There's some great rehearsal footage for the 2007 tour shot from behind him playing Los Endos. He holds his own, but it's much less 'busy' playing than on Trick or earlier tours.
Musicians understand the process... and the need for hours of solo practice and band rehersals... Phil is an extreme perfectionist and near workaholic (Tony, Mike, Steve, Bill, Chester, Daryl, Leland and Peter as well really) and was just frustrated with himself. He is actually one of the nicest superstars and very down to earth- they all were/are. Thanks guys for a lifetime of music!
In another video I watched Phil sing from his chair just a couple of years ago - he no longer drums. The effort he goes to to get the tone and inflections perfect is noticeable. A true professional.
He's HUMAN ! Thanks Phil for all your dedication and for the consistent high standard you have always kept . We all see and hear it . Good to know even the Masters get flustered. I feel like we play the same instrument now ! All the BEST !!!
It's a real eye opener seeing Phil having problems with a part he created. A part that has caused the rest of us a lot of grief in trying to master over the years! I think I got it about right on the vid I posted on here, but Christ, I had been practising it for ages - I bet Phil had not actually tried it for years LOL! He is still a God though. :-)
It can not be and have been, but you will remain the best forever! In brand x nobody has been played as well as you! In genesis you have created a melody of the battery! Jugglers far as Thomas Lang, you stay with your faithful friend Bruford, the two best drummers of all time! PHIL, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!
Daryl has often told the story of his 1st rehearsal w/ them in 1978 and that 1st day they didn't even play. Another time during the same rehearsals Tony had to ask him what key a song was in!I feel Phil's pain. I'm only 42 and I listen to things I played 20 years ago and I can't play them now.Too many wedding gigs, I guess. I used to be able to play say 'Cinema Show' fairly ably and now I tried it recently and couldn't get through. Different kinds of drumming.
The part where Phil gets frustrated with himself I believe is actually from a different practice session. Note they're not wearing the same clothes. I think I heard somewhere that they were rehearsing 'Domino' and Phil got real mad at himself because he couldn't remember the words. That may be where it was taken from.
Reminds me of the last audition I went to... and my last ever. Everyone glaring at me like that due to my inability to play like Wilko Johnson and wanting to shrink into the rehearsal room floor 😄 Phil had it all sorted out in 1977 though when I saw them for the first time in Bristol on the W & W tour. What a gig 🙂
I noticed that right away! It's not that he "just hasn't played this part in a long time," he's probably never played this part straight through since the Duke sessions!
Daryl said that Mike's style of playing is not that technically difficult, but no one else could play it quite like Mike because Mike composed the guitar bits. He didn't say Mike wasn't a great guitar player. As for Phil, he did the drums on record on this piece, and I've seen it go back and forth between him and Chester as to who plays what. Many times they're playing in unison.
I saw an interview with Daryl where he pretty much said that it seemed to him that no one in the band had really practiced before showing up for rehearsals in 2007, except for himself and Chester. It was also interesting in that interview that Daryl flat out said that Mike is not a great guitar player, but that he has a certain style that sounds good on some songs.
@UniworldCityGGaon Daryl is a great guitarist and I love his solo stuff. But there is a hell of a big difference between playing guitar for something Mike has already wrote and played and creating something truly ‘Genesis’.
@@luisalonsoecheverria Totally agree, Luis! I've been trying to figure out why many Genesis songs are so different, and much of the music is down to his bass playing, which melds with Tony's keyboard so well. His great writing would have influenced a lot of this valuable skill too!
@BaDeeRich your'e right, on the duke tour (the only other time they've played the duke travels /ends piece) that part was played by chester because phil got backstage to change clothes and then appearing all white for the final segment of dukes end. even chester did it differently with double kick, so it must be difficult to play this, even for chester, with the snare playing the one's and the kick playing all in betweens...not as easy as it looks
@ABittenfeld Correct. He was also (and still is) suffering from a kind of spinal compression which means he's lost the feeling in his hands. At moments, he had trouble even holding the sticks!
@agentknyne He was having trouble, but that's not why he grabbed at his neck. He was catching the earplugs which had fallen when he flung the sticks down.
He wasn't out of practice. It's a very demanding song and HE HAS BACK PROBLEMS that prevents him to drum as he used to. In fact, in the live version he simplifies it to be able to play it.
It's tragic that this tour was perhaps the very last time Phil will be performing behind a drum kit. It's unfair to attack his "unpreparedness". It seems clear that he was dealing with the health issues that finally took their toll, and closing in on 60 yrs of age at the time didn't help either. Like someone else here said, he's a perfectionist and to lose his favorite part of performing had to be very tough to realize. Still hoping he might have a little left in the tank for one more tour!
@zazozung Agreed: Mike is excellent, particularly as a bass player. I just found it fascinating that Daryl was so blunt in his assessment of whether the core members had been staying in shape musically.
I always thought this was Chester's part when playing it live. Looking at old concert footage, it seems Phil gets out from behind the drum kit to get ready to sing the "Guide Vocal" section of the piece. Further it appears Chester uses a double kick for this. Let me know what you think. Thanks..
He certainly does not use double kick, since you can hear lots of open hihats followed by close ones. This is only possible if you are playing the beat one foot with the other food on the hihat. Otherwise you have to have two hihats, one open one close, or some kind of weird mechanic, where the hihats close is you release the foot.
@ToxicTurquoise454 He wasn't drumming to his liking. As a drummer myself, I want to do it perfect with no mistakes and I think Phil got angry over that
It should be noted that Phil hadn't really played drums at all for over a year as he was involved in Tarzan and getting divorced...again! Add to that he hadn't played Genesis music in 15 years and that particular song in over 20 and it takes time. I hear thigns I played only 10-12 years ago (I'm only 40) and I try to play some of that stuff now and I can't do it. so, I can relate to his fustration.
@kamwrites No - excuse me - not only in a perfect world. It is a characteristic circumstance that Daryl mentioned the fact that they were not prepared properly as most American musicians would not even dream of a similar behaviour. It just is not professional and at the same time it is not loyal to the mates who did practice. But in the end those three are Genesis and they hired two guest musicians - so it is their legal right to waste time at the rehearsals.
I also noticed Phil looked very uncomfortable behind the kit on this tour. Now we know that he was having problems with a couple of discs in his neck. I hope he recovers and and plays as well as we now he can. Although sometimes it just seems his heart is not in it anymore.
They are still great, the three of them, or the five of them with Chester and Daryl, I can't imagine how would they play the classic Genesis masterpieces if there was a classic line up reunion, because that's what old fans want to listen to and see, it would take a lot of rehearsing that's for sure, in order to please us, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to gather and play just the way it comes out whatever the sound is or the performance, NO!, do it right or just DON'T PLAY IT ! Steve the man!
Just go and see Steve Hackett’s band play all the old Genesis stuff. Brilliant! ( Ditto Nick Mason’s Saucer Full of Secrets band for all the old Pink Floyd material. Equally brilliant. And I’ve be fortunate enough to see both in recent years. )
Phil did not ever play that section of the piece live on the Duke tour. Chester Thompson always did as Phil used it to switch to the white robe-ish shirt so he would come back out to sing "Guide Vocal" and also Mike played the guitar on the 1980 live versions and Daryl played bass guitar in 1980 (see Lyceum for proof).
***** I know but Phil struggled with something he hadn't played since recording it nearly 28 years earlier hence the body language. Chester always played this live with ease.
+Terrence Reardon even chester would struggle to play that now!! it's too complicated, genesis music is very complex to play when you become older, even if phil hadn't had spine problems, I don't think they could have pulled it off like the old days!!
Phil is a great drummer and I will always remeber him as one of the best. If you play the drums you would know that this part is not technically very difficult; it is a bit fast but very mechanical. Why Phil fails is that he did not practice for sometime and he had some physical problems. He solved it marvelously by modifying it in the live version which was quite good actually. If you watch the documentary, following this part you would hear Mr. Stuermer's comment on Phil's (non)practice habits lately.
@raelraven2 Heck, they'd agree with that assessment. They've done a lot of other things since the last album. Not really a need for daily practice. I don't think they ever thought they'd need it again, not to that degree, then suddenly there's a tour....LOL!
@anonymusum Working Musician = Not having time to practice everyday Although I agree. If you are going to tour it and you had such a high standard before - it should be tighter. The tape I have seen from this tour are exactly as you describe. Hey- divorces aren't cheap!!!
This is quite a poignant Genesis moment for me. I think it was somewhere else in the Come Rain Or Shine video where Darryl was saying that the guys no longer practice regularly. There was another article where Phil mentioned he had the same trouble when playing with The Musical Box in Geneva a few years back. I'd definitely feel the same frustration if I was in his shoes.
Never understood all the comments under this video. It is not a complex rithm and Phil could be just out of practise. His ability to drum were still good back then infact during the tour he played very good (not as good as 30 years before, but still good). He just needed to practise.
Aha! That's why Phil didn't play that 6-tuplet with the kick drum neatly fitting in every other beat: he tried and it was too difficult for him. I play the drums (well, a litte) and I know some kind of phrasing do require physical strength as well as chops. For some reason Phil seemed physically tired during the 2007 tour. Yet, as we all can see: he still has the chops - I think the physical effort is just getting too much for him, especially those fills requiring fast and accurate kick drum.
PHIL COLLINS SE RE PUDRIO... vieron como mando todo a la miercoles?? igual, la tocaron despues, al final de cinema show... opinion: si no fuera por los teclados nuevos, etc. sonarian como antes!
The annoying thing about this is people watch it, see Phil slapping whatever it was he hit and then automatically think "Phil's a prick." Just as the clip finishes, you see him going to pick up again, can't be that much of a prick!
Oddly enough, I can play that part rather easily, but don't ask me for a traditional drum roll as I was never good at those. Guess practice makes perfect & I never did, on rolls that is.
Mike R was bass player for most of the golden age of Genesiswith occasional 12 string duties. So for Daryl to say that he is not a great guitar would hold some weight. Look at Daryl's discography and then listen. Mike's playing compliments Genesis and has it's place there and in Mike and the McNuggets
@raelraven2 Daryl would be about right there. Mike is a very average guitarist. He is however, a very tidy bassist if you ask me. Check out No Reply at All, for instance.
@kamwrites Sorry, as a good musician you should practice every day - and as a good musician you have to be prepared when coming to the first rehearsals for such a big tour. Consequently I thought the last tour was one of Genesis´ worst tours, The musicial atmosphere/ambition was quite sterile, the spirit was gone. Sad enough, but I guess that was it.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 This shortcoming is way more than the result of only one day of not practicing. They obviously were also pretty unprepared and that is unprofessional. Horowitz once said: If I don´t practice one day I can feel it the next day; if I don´t practice for two days my wife will notice it, and if I don´t practice for three days the audience will hear it. That´s the norm in the classical world. But for example Emerson or Rudess in the progrock department and most of all ambitious jazz musicians practice every day, moreso when it comes to important rehearsals. And I think this rehearsal was an important one.
@@anonymusum Of course Phil, Mike and Tony should have practised before these rehearsals but arguing with that wasn't my point. My point was that your claim of a true musician needing to practise every single day without any kind of break ever is simply not a realistic or reasonable statement. Your Keith Emersons and classical musicians can say whatever they like about practising every single day, but I still won't believe that they wouldn't have had a single off-day from playing in their entire life. It's important to practise regularly to keep your playing technique working, however, never allowing any kind of a break from practising isn't a very healthy way of playing music or doing pretty much anything in life.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 You compare one extreme point with another extreme point. Of course you have to make a vacation from time to time just to relax and to distance yourself from music. But you have to know when to do it. Genesis was rehearsing for a big world tour, they hired two musicians and those two were prefectly prepared, like every good pro would have done. And that´s why I called them unprofessional. They simply didn´t know when to start practicing again (I assume that they normally don´t practice at all).
@@anonymusum Once again, I don't dispute the fact that Phil, Mike and Tony coming to rehearsals without practising beforehand is unprofessional. However, I think it's unfair to assume that they have never practised in their life. Do you suggest that all their musical skills were given from the heavens above and they haven't practised ever at all to improve themselves as musicians?
I know the 2007 tour made good money for them, but they sounded really bad by that time. Phil isn't even attempting the tricky stuff from that song in this clip and he still can't get it right. I can totally buy Daryl's comment about their practice habits not being up to snuff.
What are you talking about? "Epic" fail? You clearly have no idea about musicianship. You need to rehearse and practice to eliminate failures, that is what every musician does. That's how life works. You didn't thought they would just always play flawless through every tune, right?
Phil trying to do the original rhythm and failing. That may be the reason for both drummers to do a more pop version. In medley it worked sort of well.
Age and health does take its toll. Tony Banks says he can't play "Mad Man Moon" anymore, and that was one of his most brilliant keyboard performances. As for "professional" musicians not expressing frustration when a rehearsal isn't going well, not true. After a 35 year radio career and lots of interaction with musicians, I know better. In fact, Phil's reaction was mild compared to some other blow ups I've known of. They all readily admit that their rehearsals begin rough, but by the time of the show, they've got it polished very well. That's what rehearsals are for.
I'm 54 and still a decent drummer. But years ago, I was actually a very good drummer for what I did. I can't do some of what I used to do and that's just toll on the body. It sucks but you learn how to adjust.
I love how he picks the sticks up again after throwing them on the ground.
It's like: "I'M MAD!!! But I'm not gonna leave the mess around here!" XD
It reminds me of the meme where the guy throws the papers up in the air and says "fuck it" then goes over and picks them up say " nope, I still need these"...
Actually, it was his In Ear Monitor he slammed to the floor
the most british thing u can do
it's actually nice to see that he's human after all
Phil, you are aniway the NUMBER ONE!
I learn to play the drum, only by you! Watching and watching again your concert, old and new. You are great!
by Duke
Lord knows how long it had been since Phil had actually played that tune!
Back in the day, Phil had a legendary quick single bass drum foot, using Bonham's technique and the same pedal - the Ludwig Speed King - which is a direct drive pedal (no chain, no strap). Phil swore by it. Nic, his son, tells a story on Drumeo where got a DW pedal for Christmas and showed it to his dad, and Phil said yeah, but it's no Speed King. LOL! Anyway, Phil hadn't practiced at all before this rehearsal. There's some great rehearsal footage for the 2007 tour shot from behind him playing Los Endos. He holds his own, but it's much less 'busy' playing than on Trick or earlier tours.
Musicians understand the process... and the need for hours of solo practice and band rehersals... Phil is an extreme perfectionist and near workaholic (Tony, Mike, Steve, Bill, Chester, Daryl, Leland and Peter as well really) and was just frustrated with himself. He is actually one of the nicest superstars and very down to earth- they all were/are. Thanks guys for a lifetime of music!
In another video I watched Phil sing from his chair just a couple of years ago - he no longer drums. The effort he goes to to get the tone and inflections perfect is noticeable. A true professional.
He's HUMAN ! Thanks Phil for all your dedication and for the consistent high standard you have always kept . We all see and hear it . Good to know even the Masters get flustered. I feel like we play the same instrument now ! All the BEST !!!
It's a real eye opener seeing Phil having problems with a part he created. A part that has caused the rest of us a lot of grief in trying to master over the years!
I think I got it about right on the vid I posted on here, but Christ, I had been practising it for ages - I bet Phil had not actually tried it for years LOL! He is still a God though.
:-)
Phil tu restes le batteur que toute une génération a admiré sans conditions !!!
It can not be and have been, but you will remain the best forever!
In brand x nobody has been played as well as you!
In genesis you have created a melody of the battery!
Jugglers far as Thomas Lang, you stay with your faithful friend Bruford, the two best drummers of all time!
PHIL, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!
This is edited. The drum playing and the ear-monitor throwing are from different sessions.
Daryl has often told the story of his 1st rehearsal w/ them in 1978 and that 1st day they didn't even play. Another time during the same rehearsals Tony had to ask him what key a song was in!I feel Phil's pain. I'm only 42 and I listen to things I played 20 years ago and I can't play them now.Too many wedding gigs, I guess. I used to be able to play say 'Cinema Show' fairly ably and now I tried it recently and couldn't get through. Different kinds of drumming.
The part where Phil gets frustrated with himself I believe is actually from a different practice session. Note they're not wearing the same clothes. I think I heard somewhere that they were rehearsing 'Domino' and Phil got real mad at himself because he couldn't remember the words. That may be where it was taken from.
StudioAnnur absolutely correct.
Reminds me of the last audition I went to... and my last ever. Everyone glaring at me like that due to my inability to play like Wilko Johnson and wanting to shrink into the rehearsal room floor 😄 Phil had it all sorted out in 1977 though when I saw them for the first time in Bristol on the W & W tour. What a gig 🙂
I noticed that right away! It's not that he "just hasn't played this part in a long time," he's probably never played this part straight through since the Duke sessions!
It was a long time since Phil played that song, at one time he could play it in his sleep. I can understand the frustration.
Daryl said that Mike's style of playing is not that technically difficult, but no one else could play it quite like Mike because Mike composed the guitar bits. He didn't say Mike wasn't a great guitar player. As for Phil, he did the drums on record on this piece, and I've seen it go back and forth between him and Chester as to who plays what. Many times they're playing in unison.
I saw an interview with Daryl where he pretty much said that it seemed to him that no one in the band had really practiced before showing up for rehearsals in 2007, except for himself and Chester. It was also interesting in that interview that Daryl flat out said that Mike is not a great guitar player, but that he has a certain style that sounds good on some songs.
Mike was never that great a guitar player, but he's a phenomenal bassist.
Mike would be the first to admit that im sure. It's about the writing.
@UniworldCityGGaon
Daryl is a great guitarist and I love his solo stuff.
But there is a hell of a big difference between playing guitar for something Mike has already wrote and played and creating something truly ‘Genesis’.
@@Zerpersandeand Steve Hackett is the #1 guitar player of Genesis later Stuermer and Rutherford.
@@luisalonsoecheverria Totally agree, Luis! I've been trying to figure out why many Genesis songs are so different, and much of the music is down to his bass playing, which melds with Tony's keyboard so well. His great writing would have influenced a lot of this valuable skill too!
@BaDeeRich
your'e right, on the duke tour (the only other time they've played the duke travels /ends piece) that part was played by chester because phil got backstage to change clothes and then appearing all white for the final segment of dukes end. even chester did it differently with double kick, so it must be difficult to play this, even for chester, with the snare playing the one's and the kick playing all in betweens...not as easy as it looks
This makes me sad. We may be witnessing the beginnings of his neck/back prob. He quickly grabs it at 0:43 in.
Plays that part ten times better than I can
@ABittenfeld
Correct. He was also (and still is) suffering from a kind of spinal compression which means he's lost the feeling in his hands. At moments, he had trouble even holding the sticks!
Phil 4ever my Drum Hero
This is class
@agentknyne He was having trouble, but that's not why he grabbed at his neck. He was catching the earplugs which had fallen when he flung the sticks down.
I tried playing that part on my kit a few weeks ago. I finally had to give up before I embarrassed myself lol.
He wasn't out of practice. It's a very demanding song and HE HAS BACK PROBLEMS that prevents him to drum as he used to. In fact, in the live version he simplifies it to be able to play it.
It's tragic that this tour was perhaps the very last time Phil will be performing behind a drum kit. It's unfair to attack his "unpreparedness". It seems clear that he was dealing with the health issues that finally took their toll, and closing in on 60 yrs of age at the time didn't help either. Like someone else here said, he's a perfectionist and to lose his favorite part of performing had to be very tough to realize. Still hoping he might have a little left in the tank for one more tour!
@zazozung Agreed: Mike is excellent, particularly as a bass player. I just found it fascinating that Daryl was so blunt in his assessment of whether the core members had been staying in shape musically.
I always thought this was Chester's part when playing it live. Looking at old concert footage, it seems Phil gets out from behind the drum kit to get ready to sing the "Guide Vocal" section of the piece. Further it appears Chester uses a double kick for this. Let me know what you think. Thanks..
He certainly does not use double kick, since you can hear lots of open hihats followed by close ones. This is only possible if you are playing the beat one foot with the other food on the hihat. Otherwise you have to have two hihats, one open one close, or some kind of weird mechanic, where the hihats close is you release the foot.
A late reply. PC has/had one of the fastest L/Fts on the planet. Single pedal, prob Ludwig Speed King👌
@@HaroldGoodfortune you are correct, he’s been using that speed king for years along with a slingerland hi hat stand if I’m not mistaken.
@ToxicTurquoise454 He wasn't drumming to his liking. As a drummer myself, I want to do it perfect with no mistakes and I think Phil got angry over that
It should be noted that Phil hadn't really played drums at all for over a year as he was involved in Tarzan and getting divorced...again! Add to that he hadn't played Genesis music in 15 years and that particular song in over 20 and it takes time. I hear thigns I played only 10-12 years ago (I'm only 40) and I try to play some of that stuff now and I can't do it. so, I can relate to his fustration.
Made my day.
Considering his sharp decline, Phil looked like he was in very good shape at this point
Phil has stated that the neck injury happened during that tour, but he played on.. It was the start of all his physical troubles.
@kamwrites
No - excuse me - not only in a perfect world. It is a characteristic circumstance that Daryl mentioned the fact that they were not prepared properly as most American musicians would not even dream of a similar behaviour. It just is not professional and at the same time it is not loyal to the mates who did practice.
But in the end those three are Genesis and they hired two guest musicians - so it is their legal right to waste time at the rehearsals.
Phil couldn't play something he have composed. It must really be a pain in the ass...
Lucky that he played it beautifully on tour :)
I also noticed Phil looked very uncomfortable behind the kit on this tour. Now we know that he was having problems with a couple of discs in his neck. I hope he recovers and and plays as well as we now he can. Although sometimes it just seems his heart is not in it anymore.
They are still great, the three of them, or the five of them with Chester and Daryl, I can't imagine how would they play the classic Genesis masterpieces if there was a classic line up reunion, because that's what old fans want to listen to and see, it would take a lot of rehearsing that's for sure, in order to please us, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to gather and play just the way it comes out whatever the sound is or the performance, NO!, do it right or just DON'T PLAY IT ! Steve the man!
Just go and see Steve Hackett’s band play all the old Genesis stuff. Brilliant!
( Ditto Nick Mason’s Saucer Full of Secrets band for all the old Pink Floyd material. Equally brilliant. And I’ve be fortunate enough to see both in recent years. )
Phil did not ever play that section of the piece live on the Duke tour. Chester Thompson always did as Phil used it to switch to the white robe-ish shirt so he would come back out to sing "Guide Vocal" and also Mike played the guitar on the 1980 live versions and Daryl played bass guitar in 1980 (see Lyceum for proof).
***** I know but Phil struggled with something he hadn't played since recording it nearly 28 years earlier hence the body language. Chester always played this live with ease.
+Terrence Reardon even chester would struggle to play that now!! it's too complicated, genesis music is very complex to play when you become older, even if phil hadn't had spine problems, I don't think they could have pulled it off like the old days!!
jmactemin He didn't as he still played the original drum part while Phil played the modified.
Terrence Reardon of course....aniway, I like the 2007 medley!!
Phil is a great drummer and I will always remeber him as one of the best. If you play the drums you would know that this part is not technically very difficult; it is a bit fast but very mechanical. Why Phil fails is that he did not practice for sometime and he had some physical problems. He solved it marvelously by modifying it in the live version which was quite good actually. If you watch the documentary, following this part you would hear Mr. Stuermer's comment on Phil's (non)practice habits lately.
@tompppa247 it's a bit from The Knife
"the knife" at the end? what does it mean? did they try it too?^^
@anonymusum Sure. In a perfect world. ;) I thought the tour looked brilliant. I'm gald they did it, and I'm envious of those who saw it.
@thelurker25
Well that´s a statement of good arguments!
@raelraven2
Interesting - but all that was clear or wasn´t it?
whats this from?
@raelraven2 Heck, they'd agree with that assessment. They've done a lot of other things since the last album. Not really a need for daily practice. I don't think they ever thought they'd need it again, not to that degree, then suddenly there's a tour....LOL!
@anonymusum Working Musician = Not having time to practice everyday
Although I agree. If you are going to tour it and you had such a high standard before - it should be tighter. The tape I have seen from this tour are exactly as you describe. Hey- divorces aren't cheap!!!
errr, this is a first get together, the concerts were amazing and anyone who thinks otherwise is not a fan.
This is quite a poignant Genesis moment for me. I think it was somewhere else in the Come Rain Or Shine video where Darryl was saying that the guys no longer practice regularly. There was another article where Phil mentioned he had the same trouble when playing with The Musical Box in Geneva a few years back. I'd definitely feel the same frustration if I was in his shoes.
That's a pretty hard part to play. He ended up changing the rhythm altogether LOL.
he could play the rhythm without any pb
Never understood all the comments under this video. It is not a complex rithm and Phil could be just out of practise. His ability to drum were still good back then infact during the tour he played very good (not as good as 30 years before, but still good). He just needed to practise.
If that drum beat isn't complex to you, I guess you have only listened to Frank Zappa and nothing else.
Phil better get crackin' if he's gonna go on the road with Gabriel and do the Lamb.
Aha! That's why Phil didn't play that 6-tuplet with the kick drum neatly fitting in every other beat: he tried and it was too difficult for him. I play the drums (well, a litte) and I know some kind of phrasing do require physical strength as well as chops. For some reason Phil seemed physically tired during the 2007 tour. Yet, as we all can see: he still has the chops - I think the physical effort is just getting too much for him, especially those fills requiring fast and accurate kick drum.
PHIL COLLINS SE RE PUDRIO... vieron como mando todo a la miercoles?? igual, la tocaron despues, al final de cinema show... opinion: si no fuera por los teclados nuevos, etc. sonarian como antes!
The annoying thing about this is people watch it, see Phil slapping whatever it was he hit and then automatically think "Phil's a prick." Just as the clip finishes, you see him going to pick up again, can't be that much of a prick!
Oddly enough, I can play that part rather easily, but don't ask me for a traditional drum roll as I was never good at those. Guess practice makes perfect & I never did, on rolls that is.
Mike R was bass player for most of the golden age of Genesiswith occasional 12 string duties.
So for Daryl to say that he is not a great guitar would hold some weight.
Look at Daryl's discography and then listen.
Mike's playing compliments Genesis and has it's place there and in Mike and the McNuggets
"Mike and the McNuggets" 💀
@raelraven2 Daryl would be about right there. Mike is a very average guitarist. He is however, a very tidy bassist if you ask me. Check out No Reply at All, for instance.
Phil was out of practice but was also begining to suffer from the nerve damage that later ended most of his drumming.
@kamwrites
Sorry, as a good musician you should practice every day - and as a good musician you have to be prepared when coming to the first rehearsals for such a big tour. Consequently I thought the last tour was one of Genesis´ worst tours, The musicial atmosphere/ambition was quite sterile, the spirit was gone. Sad enough, but I guess that was it.
Please name all your "perfect musicians" who have never skipped a day practising. I bet you can't name a single one.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 This shortcoming is way more than the result of only one day of not practicing. They obviously were also pretty unprepared and that is unprofessional. Horowitz once said: If I don´t practice one day I can feel it the next day; if I don´t practice for two days my wife will notice it, and if I don´t practice for three days the audience will hear it. That´s the norm in the classical world. But for example Emerson or Rudess in the progrock department and most of all ambitious jazz musicians practice every day, moreso when it comes to important rehearsals. And I think this rehearsal was an important one.
@@anonymusum Of course Phil, Mike and Tony should have practised before these rehearsals but arguing with that wasn't my point. My point was that your claim of a true musician needing to practise every single day without any kind of
break ever is simply not a realistic or reasonable statement. Your Keith Emersons and classical musicians can say whatever they like about practising every single day, but I still won't believe that they wouldn't have had a single off-day from playing in their entire life. It's important to practise regularly to keep your playing technique working, however, never allowing any kind of a break from practising isn't
a very healthy way of playing music or doing pretty much anything in life.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 You compare one extreme point with another extreme point. Of course you have to make a vacation from time to time just to relax and to distance yourself from music. But you have to know when to do it.
Genesis was rehearsing for a big world tour, they hired two musicians and those two were prefectly prepared, like every good pro would have done. And that´s why I called them unprofessional. They simply didn´t know when to start practicing again (I assume that they normally don´t practice at all).
@@anonymusum Once again, I don't dispute the fact that Phil, Mike and Tony coming to rehearsals without practising beforehand is unprofessional. However, I think it's unfair to assume that they have never practised in their life. Do you suggest that all their musical skills were given from the heavens above and they haven't practised ever at all to improve themselves as musicians?
Daryl is a bonafide great guitar man.
Rutherford is and never will be.
Lol. Wondering when people would stop bashing Mike's guitar playing in the Genesis video comment sections. Or calling Tony a bad personality.
Right at 18 secs Phil slows a touch and maybe muffs the next fill's timing
I know the 2007 tour made good money for them, but they sounded really bad by that time. Phil isn't even attempting the tricky stuff from that song in this clip and he still can't get it right. I can totally buy Daryl's comment about their practice habits not being up to snuff.
keep in mind phil has back problems which prevent him from playing like he used to
What are you talking about? "Epic" fail? You clearly have no idea about musicianship. You need to rehearse and practice to eliminate failures, that is what every musician does. That's how life works. You didn't thought they would just always play flawless through every tune, right?
@sturoc0 No one will ever be able to replace Steve Hackett! His body of work speaks for itself.
Phil trying to do the original rhythm and failing. That may be the reason for both drummers to do a more pop version. In medley it worked sort of well.
hehe I think you are completly lost !!
eh....the mind and the body need ossessive training to reach the perfection
This video makes me laugh. All though it is sad seeing that Phil can’t play as god as he used too.
Hahahaha what a diva. Practice your parts before showing up for reharsal! Duh.
he could play the rhythm without any pb