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this is such a weak argument. "just stop playing lol" how do you think change is gonna happen if the players just quit and as a result stop complaining and letting the company know what's the reason behind the dissatisfaction?
@@wanderingsoul4103 People meant that complain and then quit. But people complain and then keep playing and keep spending and supporting which is absolutely stupid if they want any sort of change. Try having better media literacy you gacha addicts. Have you ever heard of the saying put your money where your mouth is?
@@wanderingsoul4103complaining is useless if you aren’t a Chinese gamer. Chinese gamers DON’T CARE as long as the characters function well. When Neuvi’s ‘spin-to-win’ was removed, guess what those Chinese gamers did?
That's gamers in general. They talk about boycotting all the time, but they still pre-order games, they still play them under the radar while complaining about them. It's all theater.
102,764 signatures? So with 60M live players last month, this boycott would amount to 0.17% of their playerbase. Good luck forcing Hoyo to take any action.
not gonna lie as someone who plays the game and cares about this issue, I don't own twitter because I'm not super online, I never heard of a petition. I think it just has such a low reach and missed a lot of signatures because of it.
@@hifumienjoyer69jokes on you we have in France Muslim and lgbt voting for the same party (France insoumis), sure Muslims are at least honest and said it's thing like "it's not normal for gays,..., to exist, they need to be *reeducated*, we are not friends with *them* we just need they vote to beat the *racist*" (these were quotes from various interview from officials to independent, racist refer to 2 party in France that are proudly nationalist/patriotic)
shoutout to my friend who showed me two posts from the same acc, one going "reminder to boycott Genshin🥰" and the other "OMG SCARA IS MAKING AN APPEARANCE IN THE SUMMER EVENT TOMORROW😍🥳" MF PICK A SIDE FFS just absolute cinema 💀
Fr tho. It actually makes me wanna pick up the game again just to spite these ppl. Like, what they’re “boycotting” is just stupid. They’re literally black washing white characters. If someone whitewashed Dehya the entire internet would ostracize whoever did that. But it’s suddenly okay because the roles & races are reversed? Man I’ll tell ya. For ppl that claim to not see color they sure seem to focus on color A LOT.
People often don't want to admit it, but Tectone was right when he said what he said. If the Chinese playerbase doesn't threaten to sue mihoyo under chinese law, good luck trying to get them to do something lol
Yeah. Unless is something againts chinese law [Yae miko changes ] or something than goes againts everyone best intereses [neuvi nerfs] they aint doing $hi#
Honestly, I keep saying that it is the CN fanbase you should pander instead of Hoyo if you want brown skin character. Like make a hot chocolate character and show them that it looks good in game.
@@Efgand0894 The boycott only talked about it on social media and messaged Hoyoverse, meanwhile the Chinese community threatened to report them to the government and doxxed employees so they reversed it bc they don't want to upset their main playerbase
I mean most people realize how pathetic this is. Pushing black representation on a latino continent, they clearly don’t care. As a brazilian, if you get offended by fictional characters, that’s on you. Crazy that the white content creators and va‘s feel like they need to defend us for no reason other than being seen as a hero by twitter, they clearly don’t care either.
@@ricardohoang8452 You could've called it Starfailed, or anything else, and you went with... that? You've singlehandedly brought the class average down by 12.
In a different video, I saw a comment that said one of the VAs had a bilibili account and tried to bring the issue to them. CN players immediately kicked the VA out and threatened to make the VA lose their roles, so the VA retracted the Natlan statements. Can't say if the bilibili is true but I did check the VA in question and the tweets are gone.
@@UBvtuberi wish they did get axed. It just feels so unprofessional 💀💀 like really? Participating in twitter wars?? 😭 theyre so lucky global branch for hoyo doesnt gives 2 rats ass.
@UBvtuber Ahaha. I think as long they don't demand the an actual boycott or do a smear campaign, like "STAHP SENDING MONEY CUZ THEY ARE RECESS!!" Or say anything about Taiwan, Hoyo could barely give two fs.
@@averyglendemming141 same opinion as you. This is so unprofessional its ridiculous. Like they could have used their offical work contacts with hoyo to speak with them directly about the issue if they felt that moved by it. Stuff like twitter posts should only be excused if they seen some illegal/bad business practices like SA/child labour/money laundering/salary extortion..etc. Meanwhile now that very popular and important english VAs did that, if they arnt punished maybe other VAs in the industry would be tempted todo the same for other minor things, making even more online controversies and maybe leading to delays for our future games/shows/movies..etc.
I’m African and I would like more diverse skin tones but I was not expecting it, the boycott was stupid and performative, considering what’s going on w the Congo I lowkey wish that if Sucrose VA was going to post a book talking about the Congo she’d atleast talk about the horrific human rights abuses in the same thread cause like linking that w Natlan could have brought a lot more peoples attention to it 🤷♀️ people just wanna cash in their racism brownie points imo.
@@Landminetypeyeah the comments are crazy lol Tbf It's kinda sad that this type of thing is still normalized in asia specifically the south, you would be hearing the n-word thrown around like it's an everyday word here. Can't really "erase" this racist mindset when majority of asian people have already adapted this in today's social culture.
@@ScarlettUsagiyea it’s sad but I’ve accepted that while there are numerous amounts of people who find my skin “repulsive” there are just as many that find me beautiful 😞 focusing on beauty standards I can’t change will do nothing for me so I just ignore it, tho it is wild that in even some western jfash communities I’ve seen some tanned folk white washing themselves
Because it's not about actual empathy. If it was then these people would be talking about the horrific conditions alot of people around the world are living in to this day. Instead it's just about skin color and not about relieving suffering for anyone who's actually experiencing tremendous hardships.
I also want diverse skin tone I don't mind... I live in Malaysia My friend are Malays and Indians and Chinese it still can look good but do we go seeking for it no bsc like what you said...Those people doing it on twitter is just doing it for fame and money. Clown shows which instead of bringing this issue to light in a better and smart way totally make people hate it and see through the intention of this stupid act. Its like techtone in the community creating drama everywhere and getting involve in everything those people still love him and donate money to him....its the same. Hence why its so disgusting to me these people do this stuff gain the views and 1 month later still earning money through Hoyo and still working while other brainwashed by them are becoming more brainrot lol.
To me, this boycott is exactly the greatest but also the most pathetic boycott of the genshin community because it is so meaningless, especially when even Mihoyo never cares :)
I think it's good cause people are realizing that there are problems and issues with black rep in genshin (and all hoyo games) But WHAT do they think a petition is going to do, nothing......and its also the same people signing it who are gonna spend on the banners either way🤦♀️ Edit: people replyying think "black rep" and "having black char" are same thing, THERE NOT The problem comes in when black people are portrayed SO BADLY in the game like they currently are in genshin
@@Accountthatexists its a chinese game. why in the world do they actually need black rep? its not american. they dont need to get involved into american race wars. the fact that this is even a discussion is honestly embarrassing. im personally embarrassed for anyone that signed that petition. get a job. go outside. find something else to do because worrying about a chinese game having black characters is honestly just sad.
Personally I don't care about the boycott and it's a bit annoying that twitter is trying to pressure VAs into giving their input, I remember when Allegra Clark (or someone, I don't remember) said that they feel like they have to say something otherwise they get harassed. Besides the performative nature, I also do not like the way they are lying about how asian regions are supporting the boycott, there is no buzz in JP as they pretty much don't care, while CN there is proven thread in which there are TL of CN comments, and they *actually* don't like dark skin at all and are mocking Twitter. Ironically enough, 2.5 years ago or so they mocked CN for being upset about Shenhe because of 'liyue representation' or something like that, now the opposite is happening..
@@Accountthatexists what are you talking about, black rep? Since when were games mandated to require certain races? Last time I checked I didn't see asian rep in african media so where's the asian rep? Natlan is a fictional region and is not africa. Or do you think natlan is real? I remember when black people tried booking tickets to wakanda.
I remember the nevuillete nerf fiasco and how it was reversed sooo fast that people were saying "TWITTER COULD NEVER" and i had to giggle at the absurdity of it all. Actual comedy show but IRL and spanning world wide.
I mean nevuillete thing was because Chinese players directly petitioned the Chinese government. If there is one thing thet Mihoyo doesnt FW, its the CCP. Remember the Swimsuit ban? Mihoyo doesn't care much about twitter or even about EN players as much as CN players.
@@LiterallyMe91 tbf they don't care about any of the player base, they just fear legal & physical threats, which their own people happen to pull no punches for making reality lol
Apparently Neuvillette's skill before nefr was used in promotional material in China. So yes, Hoyo had to reverse it since players were right in complaining to the goverment about customer fraud.
This might be a hot take but the neuvillette nerf was a way bigger issue than the skin tone drama. The moment they think they can get away with giving characters nerfs or altering their gameplay post-release and post-rerun, the game would be screwed
do these people not understand what boycott actually means? "we boycott genshin for not enough black characters but we will continue playing and supporting the game"
@@christiandauz3742 that's not how freemium game works. Every freemium games are dependent on whale...low spender and f2p are just medium to promote the game in hope they can catch another whale
@@christiandauz3742 yes, but that's dumb because it's a freemium game. They want free to play players there as well because they inflate the playerbase making their company more influential, thus being able to strike good deals with other companies as well
I've heard from some Chinese creators that in terms of the singing style, the actress was actually bad and was hired due to nepotism rather than skill.
yes they can play the game but NOT giving them money (it might not be that much but hey a try is a try) is kinda what they r wanting to do, because running servers cost money
i remember seeing boycott guidelines on twitter, and one of the rules was "contact your local politician" like??????? okay, they can go as far as contacting local politicians about a Chinese waifu anime Chinese game, but nothing in the guidelines talked abt quitting the game/deleting their account
Funfact: Mi Hoyo means “my hole” in Spanish. So as a spanish speaker, i really chuckled a lot when i went to Anime NYC back in 2021 and saw the “HoyoFest” booth. 😂
"Sir, there's a one click button boycott website with over 100,000 players boycotting our game!" "That's concerning, we can't lose 100,000 players!!" "Well, actually...they said still going to play our game." "Oh...so what's the problem then?" "They said they not going to spend money on a free to play game" "..." "..."
I dont think that was the best way to put it to frame the boycott as stupid bc this makes it more clear why they it's kind of the only boycott that could work - the game is fucking free, there's not even adverts popping up as you play that they can get revenue off of from f2p players, the money is made ENTIRELY by keeping people engaged and wanting the newest characters. Whether people are playing without spending money or not playing at all literally doesn't affect their bottom line in the slightest, but making a fuss on those surveys? Making noise on the Internet? It's pretty much the only chance non-chimese players have of being listened to 😅 It still feels stupid when the player base is SO massive and most haven't even heard of this petition so the numbers are, like, less than 1 percent of the player base or something, not actually a big deal, but it's still more sensible than going "I'm going to totally ignore this free thing that's so massive it won't notice my non-existant impact leaving in the slightest, that'll show them who's boss!"
@pipedream2556 as a f2p game, genshin gets money from data monetisation, sponsorships, and more. they get money from people downloading the game and playing it. to truly boycott genshin, people need to avoid the company entirely. I do understand what you mean about how we can't do much so spreading awareness is the best thing available, but it doesn't really DO anything in these circumstances. If people were committed to completely block out hyv from their routine then yes, awareness is key. but that's not the case because as mujin said we are all genshin addicts. I truly wished hyv was a better company who followed through with the representation of the cultures they chose to include in the game, but they really couldn't give 2 fucks unless they're losing millions of players and millions of money :( They prioritise the cn community so unless majority of the cn community brings this up to attack hyv, then nothing will happen. In saying that, that will never happen. the cn community wont speak up because they have lived with the mindset that white skin is attractive which boosts sales and that makes both hyv and cn happy.
Funny thing about Olorun , at least if you look on wikipedia , Olorun is shapeless , genderless and in spirit form . The photo we see is just one depiction/interpretation or concept art of him from an artist , while in actuality Olorun doesn't look like anything . This is one of the passage from wikipedia "Olorun has no gender in the Ifá Literary Corpus, and is always referred to as an entity who exists in spiritual form only. Historically, the Yoruba worship Olorun through the agency of the orisa; thus there is no image, shrine or sacrifice made directly towards Olorun, since Olorun is known to BE everything, and everywhere." So yes , in a sense , Olorun can be white/black , Sasuke , Batman , Anime Ikemen or just a rock .
This is sad...this just means the people who DO care about their culture being represented don't even know their culture. That just says a lot of people that are supporting this boycott probably don't even come from said culture. This reeks of savior syndrome as if they're moved by some divine morale force that they MUST act for the "oppressed" people.
just don’t use a god’s name. that is bound to cause controversy. Wiki is also a bad source. Rick Riordan who wrote the Percy Jackson and Egyptian gods books also caught controversy for using god’s name and misrepresenting them (Greek gods are not the same as Romans even if they’re similar hence why Hellenistic culture differs from Romans). You can just makeup a cool name without using a god’s name and offending entire cultures. It’s forgivable if Mihoyo isn’t a multi-million dollar company. They could just hire someone from the culture they’re adapting from as a consultant to prevent messes like this
@@SwanPrncss There are some people that are addicted to a temporary internet fame . Some of them have good intention but just follow the herd without knowing or do some checking first , then proceed to unknowingly spread misinformation . Some just do things performatively and doesn't really care about it in the first place , They just want that internet fame and pat on the back like they're doing good works .
@@SwanPrncsswho are you to say those people don’t know their culture? African and Native American cultures are often passed down through word of mouth and a lot of it is lost after colonisation. Just don’t use a god’s name from any religion, especially ones you don’t understand
cry more plus there was no way she was going have dark skin, in Honkai Universe which Genshin is part of this is Himeko Expy she was always was white looking character
I can do you one better: "THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT CULTURES, THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE NAHIDA BLACK CUZ SHE IS INSPIRED BY A DARK SKIN GODDESS FROM A DARK SKIN CULTURE" -Some white angry dude saying he cares about other cultures without knowing that Nahida is based on a light skin Godess from a light skin culture.
We just learned that the ONLY way they will listen are two things. One, you HAVE to be Chinese. Two, you plan to sue them. See recent Neuvillette incident.
@@youravghuman5231 Didn't they do nothing during the 3 years 3 gems thing? Pretty sure even Chinese players were upset, and yet Hoyo didn't do anything. As far as I can remember. And even if they did it wasn't as impressive as what we just got. (Still sad how one free 10 pull is considered "impressive" 🤣 oh Hoyo...)
Chinese players will always have one card not available to anyone else-the threat of siccing the government on them. This is how Zhongli got buffed, and also how some Mondstadt character designs were made more modest.
That's about 0.17% assuming they are all Genshin players. Even if they would actually stup playing the game, that number is negligible. But a lot of em wont even do that
@@evangelista6953that is very based of you. I did the same. Though I never did that much interaction with the community, I just stick with my close homies and play the game.
They treat their 100.000 signatures like some enormous achievement. Completely forgetting that Genshin has millions of active players. Their "communities" size is so small, they are statistically irrelevant, like some weird rounding error.
$2b in 1st year revenue just means it doesn't matter what the "masses" want 99% of the time. MHY got their money and are running with it however they want, and only how *they* want.
I'm a Chinese person born here in the west. I can't really say anything for other south Asian Countries, though in China, paler skin is seen as a sign of beauty, of upper class wealth basically, having never worked a day in the sun etc. China is nowhere near as diverse as the west, it is entirely just Chinese people. I'm not saying I agree with this take, I would genuinely love to see more dark skinned characters in Hoyo games. However, there is a basically 0% chance for Chinese people to even care about this to cause drama for Hoyo.
Most sane people in the west also dont care. The average person looks at something that represents them thinking "Its Nice" but they also dont care if it dont
That's the part that is so confusing to me, I don't think any rational person would complain if they added characters with different skin tones, but it's a game made and developed in China made for a Chinese playerbase
Yeah, I completely understand this. I feel like it would be totally different if each character named after a deity was supposed to BE that deity. But where their names are simply just inspiration, they aren't really obligated to change anyone.
My favourite thing about this boycott is that mostly it was popularised by the twitter accounts with name "daily/hourly add any character name". Like bro you dailytime routine is sending your favorite character fan arts and posts on your twitter.
I cant imagine how daily Mualani is feeling after having boycott hoyoverse on the name and hearing that the main of the boycott is saying don't pull for Mualani
JUST A REMINDER: Boy·cott -withdraw from commercial or social relations with (a country, organization, or person) as a punishment or protest: *"we will boycott all banks which take part in the loans scheme"* -a punitive ban that forbids relations with certain groups, cooperation with a policy, or the handling of goods: *"a boycott of the negotiations"*
fun fact: Boycott is named after Captain Charles Boycott who was a British landlord Irland in 1880 who treated his tenants so bad, that soon nobody wanted to do any kinds of deals with him anymore. His name was then used by the London Times to describe this kind of resistance.
My biggest gripe with Twitter and really western media in general is that the loudest ones seem to think that just by having varying skin tones, you'll already being "diverse". Something about that feels so disingenuous. It feels more pandering than it is representation. I have a Kenyan friend look at the Natlan trailers, and he was so elated just by the fact that his culture is being represented. From architecture to clothing, and even some potential myths and legends that might have inspired the game. Skin color would have never even been mentioned had I not asked him about his opinions on it just to see his reaction. He only answered me with "And?". That one reply says so much more to me than the entirety of this so-called boycott could ever do.
I feel like having different skin tones should be the bare minimum. People not in the west also have varying skin tones! And it seems more disingenuous to have your culture represented but not your people. The least they could do was make them just a bit more tan 😭 not even for representation just the fact that it would make sense they would be tanner considering they’re environment 💀
@@MegaHoopsandyoyo first off, skin color isn't always about environment. Secondly, what does not in the west supposed to mean? Just because it isn't America doesn't mean we have less skin color difference lmfao, we have way more varied skins in the same nationalities and therefore actually understand that it means nothing.
@@kurodo9926 I think we’re saying the same thing 😅 I said west bc op said western media and I meant that people outside of America have varying skin tones too. And when I said based on environment I meant how African people have more melanin than Northern Europeans bc of how much sun they get. I don’t know too much about Natlan but I would assume the fire nation would get more sun than the rest of the world 😭
@@MegaHoopsandyoyo uhh, I mean. When it comes to skin tone, sun isn't the only thing going towards how dark you are. I simply disagree with the idea that culture can be represented by skin color. Not only because it's disingenious (cultures span over wide area with no borders) but also because at it's core, skin color is nothing more than pigmintation. Also, Teyvat's sky is fake so we don't even know if they have melanin kekw. But npc's in Natlan have a lot of darker skinned characters lmao, so here's that. (Edit: sorry for my initial outburst and thank you for being a bigger man.)
That just shows how racist these "progressive" people really are. Skin color is the first and sometimes only thing they care about, when the actual people being represented with their culture just don't care.
westerners doesn't understand the SEA's crazy obsession with light complexion... we have soaps that can make you lighter upon daily use, is it healthy and safe? who cares? we have better opportunities with light complexion. We even have vitamins and injections to get us as white as possible... i remember this one story i watch in childhood... mind you it's a children story... the princess was dark complexion and everyone hates her and she have a hard lif... then some goddess took pity on her and made her as white as a pearl.... and everyone loves her and adores her after that... so yeah, early on, we are already taught that the whiter the better
Honestly not just SEA. We have a huge both legal and black market whiting products lines in africa which not only makes millions (heck I know many colleagues in medical school who dropped out just to become bootleg steroid creams makers and now they make more than a consultant). The health risk are also quite bad. It depends on the dose but I had to try and later fail to save many young girls who took insanely high amounts of black market steroids so they become whiter.
I'm also from SEA (Philippines) and honestly I've never been a fan of this mindset. I hope my message this doesn't come off as aggressive or mean cause obvs English isn't first language ko lmao (na nonosebleed pa rin ako taena HAHAHAH), it's just genuinely so sad that while there's colorism and we're just forced to just. Accept that. We'd get whitening products- glutathione- and a shit ton of things to look Western-ish. I don't even want to get started on the colonial mentality in my country 😭😭😭 It sucks. So while I understand that Hoyo likely won't do anything about Natlan skintones, I still hope for my variety in the future orz
@@Ansyteais preference now considered colorism? If I find slim women more attractive, does that mean I am prejudiced against women who are not slim? If I regularly go to the gym to be fit because that's the body type I want to achieve, am I being prejudiced against people who are not fit? I'm also from the Philippines so I know what I'm talking about when I say it's just aesthetic preference and not actual colorism.
If you truly believe this would ever be a life or death situation, whilst still actively playing the game you hate so much because you're addicted, then by all means go outside and touch some grass. Wake up to reality.
Honestly lol, i'm not gonna "boycott" Valorant because they have an NB character, it's literally not the end of the world, if i don't like the game because it has X character or doesn't have X skin color then i can literally just go outside, easy as 😂
its easy but its the hardest thing to do i bet when Natlan drop those the same people want boycott will still somehow put cash for their waifu/husbando regardless of their skin tone
@@reyvaldosoetiman2389 im not playing it, i quit! Im sure a lot of ppl will too but what do u know?? Genshin aint the only hot thing out there so u know. So u commenting this just dont hold anything since ur saying it just to say it hiding behind ur screen. Its not like u have any friends that u know that they will do this or what not...u just want to say something ig. Genshin got a lot of kids playing it, its alright tho i'd expect shit like this coming from y'all kids (white kids to be exact)
@@marbles_dre4688 dude im not even playing this game anymore ( 2 year without genshin ). btw im form SEA and our skin color is not... (Fill the blank yourself) bcs you like to assume skin color
@@Accountthatexists"blackwashing" is basically the opposite of whitewashing except in SOME cases it isnt bad. as long as you dont say you fixed it, dont blackwash/whitewash REAL PEOPLE and when it comes to characters that are inspired by actual darkskinned people. sorry if it isnt a great explanation !! 😭😭😭
The western VAs are so funny: "I refuse to support a company that does this!" Me: "So you're quitting your job and role as voicing [this character]?" "..........no." Sums up the whole "movement". Keep doing their bidding.
@SamIamNot13 But if she's telling everyone else to boycott Hoyoverse, but she's not willing to do it herself, she's a hypocrite that makes the whole movement look like a big joke to everyone looking at them, including people that are considering supporting them, or even making change. People who are all "rules for thee but not for me" are corrupt, and most of all show they don't even believe what they say they believe in. That kind of corruption should be opposed, especially if you agree with them, because I want what I believe in to be taken seriously.
It can only work if their faves aren't threatened. The fact that the only successful major Kpop related boycott being a single-fandom one designed to benefit their idols directly rather than a nebulous pan-industry one speaks volumes.
@@imagiguardwhich is exactly why the whole BTS/HYBE boycott due to their association with Israel is never going to work. It’s just so vague and is littered with performative activism & superiority complexes rather than genuine care, which was provided by Loona and Fifty Fifty fans while boycotting their respective companies.
@@zachheadhunter9551 which is hilarious as a SEA player myself that us, people from the countries which has lower GDP than NA, spend more money than them
honestly for genshin, losing 100 000 western players is not a bad thing. i'd consider we are not losing enough. we need to lose more. problem is they keep playing the game while signing this, sadge.
I imagine half of those don't even play the game or are bots/sock accounts. And the other half won't stop playing anyway just like they didn't when Sumeru came out and we had this exact same drama.
I'm from Korea and my friends who play Genshin are mostly like "That character looks cool but how good are they?". It's mostly Meta here and their waifus and husbandos are usually top tier characters.
You would probably reconsider if the characters look like Concorde characters. The truth is, mihoyo characters are both meta and waifu. The least waifu character is still very good looking.
@SourDonut99 Highly agree Concorde is peak representation with little player based since the character models are repulsive. It's really aesthetic first, meta then for most of the casual gamers
And HoYo fucks over the very few (6/85 currently) brown/black characters they even have by making them all like mid-tier at best, which is partially why people buy into the narrative that "brown characters just won't sell in Japan/Korea/China" like this guy does in this video. Kaeya's OK, Xinyan is bad, Dehya's bad, Candace is OK, Sethos is OK, and Cyno is like "OK-to-good". And then you look over at Star Rail and see the sole darker skinned character Arlan is literally the worst character in the game. We have yet to get a *strong* melanated character in these games. Strong like Kazuha, Hu Tao, Furina. Until we get that we don't have definitive data that they can't sell well in these places, because HoYo keeps handicapping the few we have while knowing that meta is a big reason a lot of people desire certain characters.
@@AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH00 Obviously...? Those people are lighter than cardboard (yes i compared it) Of course they arent dark enough. Most of those characters are based off of gods and real people. Genshin is quite literally just saying they like every single thing about a certain cultue except the types of people within it, even though those people are a key part of the culture. It's stupid.
i have african friend who play genshin and one of them said, "Me, personally about this skin tone issue in Genshin? I don't care about it. I'm just happy our culture is still getting recognized within the game."
interesting, I’ve seen a fair bit of Latin Americans, Africans, etc. on the opposite side of the argument as well and wanting more representation. I guess it’s just a matter of perspective. I’m Asian, not one of the cultures being talked about in Natlan, but I personally don’t like how Mihoyo represents cultures so well, but not the people of those cultures. It’s not really my problem to talk about, I guess
@@k1wishade I am from latin america and dude our people couldn't care less We still enjoy genshin as a fantasy game that yeah take inspiration for our culture but thats all, so many people think like oh but they are more black and here you literally find whithe tanned black but not as much as internet expose to english people, we here in chile one of the most player base in latin america are literally laughing at how its more white people complaining than us, the supposed real "victims" at their eyes, we are not like internet paint us like SO into or culture we are not tribes, and natlan its inspired in precolombine south america LITTERALLY BEFORE OUR CONTINENT WAS EVEN DISCOVER DUDE THAT WAS CENTURIES AGO so yeah we are laugthing about this shit its hilarious just a child rage moment for some people at MyHoyo that fun fact in spanish when you read myhoyo it mean "my ass/butt" So yeah its really funny see 1st world people complaining for us and playing the heroes when they are "drowning themselves in a cup of watter" PS: sorry for some mistakes in my coment im fluent talking english not written it
Key word being "personally". It's all about perspective. It's okay to be angry if you feel like your culture is being misrepresented. It's also okay to not care about it whether or not you are from said culture. This boycott however, is a complete joke. Half those people who signed the petition are probably still supporting the very game they wish for change in. Like make it make sense.
@@kialo2085 HELP YEAH "hey guys I signed the boycott, BUT im still playing genshin, it's not like im paying money!" i swear half the people in our community have no idea what boycott means
I'm from Madagascar, which is an African country. If you asked people from here about this, they wouldn't give a rat's ass about the character's skin colors, we're playing just because we enjoy the game, not because we have representation from it.
Heyyyy I have Madagascar origins from my mom’s parents! My last name is from there! Ok to be serious there’s a ton of ppl from Latin and African countries that DO care. I’m mixed and tan and DO care. Representation things aside you can clearly tell that most of the natlan characters were designed with dark skin in mind. Like their tattoos barely pop on light skin, and with the edits they pop even more
Lmao there was a dude who posted that he bought the Nilou skin in the GI facebook group for Madagascar players 😂. And there are still people who asks for shops to buy GC and Welkins. It's so true, Madagascar players really dgaf.
@@bibuleolorun, iasan, kachina and mualani are the only character si could identify with tatoos and my observation proves that what you said is a lie. Mualani shares complexion with hawaii people, and her tats are visible as far as I am concerned. Then there is olorun who literally has black tatoos that would be almost invisible on a black person. Then there is Iasan and kachina seem to have the same tatoo and so I will agree that white tatoo on black skin is better than white on literal "white" skin. but one character of like 8 isn't exactly "mostly". I hate liars like you ngl. You just make claims that gullible people like me fall for and spread misinformation.
I'm just frankly apathetic with the community for the most part. All I know is that Natlan is giving us a shark girl who's Neuvilette 2.0, and I like her
I think the most fun parts of the fandom are actually the people who theorize over the lore. That's where people don't care about appearance, bad or good kits, lacking endgame. They appreciate the lore the game drops, read artefact and weapon and sometimes even predict future content.
Personally, I wish that Natlan characters have more melanin, and I do understand and agree with why people are dissatisfied. However, the boycott was a poor decision that was also planned out impulsively. a note: I am not from the West nor am I light-skinned. I am adding this since a lot of people talking about this situation here like to downplay genuine criticism by calling others “Western” or “woke”.
I agree. Yeah, wish there was more diversity (because the colors of the outfits don't even 'pop' with their skin tone), but boycotting Hoyoverse has to be one of the dumbest thing they have done.
The VA at the biggest risk after talking about this is Sucrose's. A four-star character who hasn't had much screen time in a while? She could be easily replaced and most people probably wouldn't notice.
@@Sonchikas1 I don't think that's necessary true , the contract is between Hoyoverse and the Union she's in , which right now is doing a strike , since work is per contract/role too , there might be no need for more Sucrose line in the future too . They can switch Union/Agency anytime since the work is already done too .
"WE WILL BOYCOTT GENSHIN IMPACT!!!" "How will you do that?" "BY PLAYING THE GAME!!!" No wonder the Hoyo never gave a crap. Their idea of boycott undermines actual boycotts that result in people being actually hurt.
As a Chinese, some insights here: Chinese people/East Asians do not "hate" black people; rather, they simply do not prefer "darker skin tones." Westerners might spend a lot of money tanning to achieve a bronzed skin tone, which shows they have enough leisure time to go on vacations outside of work. In contrast, Chinese/East Asians do the opposite; even on the beach, they try to cover every inch of their skin, and there are many "whitening" cosmetics available on the market. This is because, in East Asian culture, fairer skin is associated with higher-status professions that do not require outdoor work, unlike manual laborers who get tanned from working outside. Due to this cultural subconscious, introducing dark-skinned characters is more than likely to result in poor sales. This is not just the case with miHoYo; no Chinese game company would risk doing so if the game and your work KPI depended on the sales of each banner. At most, dark-skinned characters might be included as a minor element, but they will never become the mainstream. even in Natlan.
Those standards exist in the west too, they've just very actively been trying to push them out of the culture for decades now. Even in places like Brazil where everyone is dark skinned they still view the lighter skinned people as a sign of status. But especially in America having that preference is considered racist so nobody is allowed to express it. If you look at old fairy tales like Snow White it's very clear pale skin has historically been seen as a sign of beauty. Definitely not a unique Asian phenomenon.
As someone from Philippines I think it's kinda the same. (Especially in my family) Also we're obsessed with your country (+ Japan and Korea) just sayin
You were right until u said that other Chinese games wouldn't risk putting darker skinned characters on a banner. Reverse 1999 as an example has had many darker skinned characters on banner
this is the most pathetic boycott i’ve ever seen, like i see tweets being like “guys stop buying stuff so we can boycott” YOU CANT BOYCOTT A *FREE* MULTIPLAYER GAME BY NOT BUYING ANYTHING, YOU BOYCOTT BY REFUSING TO PLAY AND RAISING UR VOICE. gamble addicts try to quit genshin challenge (also i’m not on hoyos side, i wish the characters would atleast be a little darker)
Why do the characters have to be darker if the game developers don't want to make that? You can go play that new WoW expansion if you want to play as a black woman.
@@pdpgb there's no way you can objectively look at some of the designs and think they look good. some of them would benefit from darker skin due to colour theory
Playing the free game for free without spending money means there will be less people spending on the actual game?? That seems like basic math personally I quit Genshin 100% but I know a lot of people can’t do that because they’ve invested a lot of time but by not giving Hoyo money it shows that they’re making a statement I just hope the banners don’t sell well.
@@pdpgbBecause if they claim to be for a world-wide audience, and make countries based off various cultures, the characters should reflect the cultures they're using. One of the characters is literally a Nigerian deity who is very pale. Even Chinese players are confused.
I’m willing to bet these are the SAME PEOPLE telling Japanese folks to “get over it” when they express their anger towards AC Shadows 😂 I’m glad this is happening, Americans and Westerners need to learn that they’re not the kings of the world lol
On one hand: Bringing up strawmen about culture and history to thinly veil your hate towards blacks. Demanding Ubi to CANCEL an already made game. On the other: Asking Mihoyo to make characters who run around outside in an African region a bit darker. Because you know... this is how sun works. Who is more unhinged?
The "i spent thousands I cant possibly delete" comment is so funny to me Two gachas I'd spent probably a couple hundred + on over the 2 years I played them I dropped so easily when they made stupid changes to the game, no hesitation and no looking back The weakness of others amuses me
it is called the sunk cost fallacy and it will keep people playing... especially if they were at the top of a pvp type game. Drop 20k. Drop 50k Then drop the game. A few hundred over 2 years? Bro I spent more than that the first month of genshin LOL. I have quit a few games where I dropped a few hundred within the first few months but if I built it into a habit for years and spent several tens of thousands? ITS FAR HARDER. It is called an addiction. And sunk cost fallacy is a well known psychological phenomena.
it happened to me when i got massive burnout from playing genshin, where i log in for a few days then never touch the game for a few months until a new character dropped or character im interested in dropped, though i never spent a lot for the game, just a few rupiahs either welkins or just primos. I still like the game, but of course burnout always happens, like for HI3 i played the game since 2020 and just recentlyi decided to uninstall since i havent coming back to the game due to burnout and just overall exhaustion with the game, even though i have good characters and stuff. Of course its never easy to let go of your game when you have spent hundreds of hours and cash for it, but then again, eventually all games will shutdown and when that time comes even they will have to be ready for it.
i can relate, i spend thousands of my salary to Genshin Impact too. but after 2 years of me playing Genshin and requesting a skip conversation and skip dialogue and Mihoyo not adding it, i immediately uninstalled. seriously its so time consuming listening to dialogue and auto convo is not that fast.
I'm excited to see the upcoming drama on Twitter when the fate collab with hsr happens. Since if they think hoyo does a poor job ohoho they haven't seen fate
I think I lost braincells after learning how backwards some of these people are. As a POC, I know for a fact that these people do not care and they will continue to not care about how we feel about their actions and that's just how some things are. You're allowed to be upset about it but sometimes you have to realize that you're barking up the wrong tree.
Legit in the attempt to "stop racism" in the game, they end up looking racist themselves. Genshin actually does a whole lot to make reference to various aspects of different cultures; Sumeru is RICH with that, but basically it means nothing to them if characters don't have the skin colour they want. So they're essentially saying "your culture and ethnicity doesn't matter if you don't have the skin I imagine you'd have". And a lot of times, the people complaining are white people who don't actually know anything about the culture, just stereotypes about it. Dori is the best and most hilarious example of this; people call her a racist/orientalist character towards Arabic people, literally because they remind her of Aladdin. When in reality, Dori is Ottoman Turkish based. Everything about her points to that and her design is actually super fascinating and rich in references to that period of history (plus while she is 1001 nights inspired, it's from the Djinn and Merchant story, not Aladdin). It basically shows that people's extent of knowledge about ME culture was just Aladdin, and they ignorantly misculture a character because of it.
Genshin CS responded appropriately. It is game - a work of fiction. It should not be taken as a real world scenario. In fact, Genshin, in my opinion is the most inclusive game that I played since they try to reference cultures from all over the world into the game but making it as a new world inside the game. Just look at the character names and how they try to incorporate names from different nationalities. Bennett, Nahida, Kokomi, Neuvilette, Mavuika, Arlecchino, Ningguang, Sethos, etc. Try to compare it to WuWa where most characters and future characters have Chinese names. Bottomline, it's just a game. Worry about something else. The world has enough problems as it is. To all the boycotters, just stop playing the game. It's that simple.
dont need inclusion, need a good game i'm not white i dont feel bad when my face or skin color isnt in games and people that do are weird and have no personalities
@@hentaro7845 I mean, it is pretty China centric. What GI/Hoyo did right is by having Mond first similarly with HSR. Imagine starting in Liyue and the Xianzhou Luofu. WuWa with all it's fixes still sucks
truee dude natlan its inspired in precolombine latin america LITERALLY BEFORE IT WAS DISCOVERD FOR THE EAST THATS CENTURIES AGO and white people make it a war playing the heroes when we latin americans couldnt care less, we are even making fun about this meaningless war in the comunity abot white people saying they are not white enough, what is their source to say that we are not all blac we are tanned we are white too and most of us DIDNT ASK TO BE DEFENDED ITS A FANTASY GAME
@@SenseisbinahAnd as Mujin said, a big percentage of boycotters are most likely teenagers 😂 So they probably don't have a job and no bills to pay so they can just lounge around Twitter all day looking for the next drama they can claim to support and forget in like what? 2 weeks? 😂
The sales of the Nahida banner proves that Genshin Impact players are hypocrites and don’t really believe in what they’re saying about racism and will still spend money on the game, so this conversation is pointless in my opinion 🤷♂️
Unfortunately we are living in a world where people can't understand taking aspects of culture and just changing them. God forbid if these people played sonic adventure 2 where the pyramids was a secret launch site
You forgot that people pull for power. Nahida could have been the ugliest character and people would still pull for her because archons are meant to OP.
I don't know if someone mentioned it on teh comments, but there is an extra layer in this controversy. Asian people don't seem anime characters as white, but as Asian. And Asian players prefer to buy this kind of characters than dark skinned ones.
I'm not trying to accuse anyone, but that mindset seems to be rather common. Perhaps it's because some authors/artists can't exactly go to a specific country to get an accurate depiction of a character's origin? Like yeah, there are some authors that do it, but everyone has limits for their own budgets I guess. And I admit, as a writer myself, I sometimes project my culture's lifestyle to a lot of my characters. I've been trying to break it though 😅 I think one example of Asian people seeing anime characters as specifically Asian is Bersek's author. I don't remember much personally, but I remember that even though Guts is apparently supposed to be European, Norse, i don't recall the rest, the thing that confused me the most was that the author said he still considers Guts to be Japanese.
Noticed how nobody from the English VAs who spoke out on twitter has said anything since? They were probably told to shut up by their agency and/or dubbing studio because it's a bad look and unprofessional. I mean what if mihoyo drops the entire English voice dub or studio and replaces them like Snowbreak? Not only will the VAs lose their big time gig but all who works in the shadows such as the translators and audio engineers would also lose their gig and mihoyo is a gigantic client that anybody would like to keep working with.
Skin color of fictional video game characters is such a weird hill to die on. Imagine kicking up a fuss over an in game character not being black enough for you and dissing your employer directly on social media. It's so stupid
As someone from South Asia, I’m happy and glad that they used cultures and traditions from our regions, but why leave the people out of it? It’s like taking our history and leaving out the feelings of people. I don’t play genshin that much but during sumeru I did play seriously for awhile. In Asia it is considered that “white” is pretty so to finally see a dark skinned character be so “hot” *dehya* it was really encouraging, idk why people say dark skinned characters aren’t hot, I mean I’ll smash both dehya and cyno-
As someone from South Asia as well, I agree with everything U said, xinlen (I don't remember her name, is that it???) would look amazing with darker skin but.. tbh.. at the end of the day, its a game from a chinese company, they will also keep their culture (light skin = pretty) in their games. Erasing culture is bad tho, imagine U search up a god & see a game/anime character instead??
Ehh because it's fiction and they want to design unrealistically beautiful characters so people will spend money and roll for them. Japanese people don't look like Ayaka or Raiden either but you don't see them complaining. Only when it comes to skin color specifically is it seen as legitimate because westerners are so obsessed with race.
@@pdpgb exactly! Like we have 6 Inazuma chars whose families lived there for centuries and there were no foreign ancestors we know about. AND THEY ALL R BLOND Guess light hair is an Inazumian trait? Lmao Local "chinese" characters don't look like real chinese people too But somehow we care when its about Natlan and their skin??
My only problem with the Sumeru characters is that half of them are desert dwellers, yet they look like they’ve never been outside once. Like, does Hoyo expect me to believe these people didn’t develop some level of a tan or sun burn? Come on, it isn’t hard to design characters with a different skin color. They’re still going to be incredible and lovely.
Exactly! Melanin helps protect us against the sun’s UV rays. The more time you spend outside, the more melanin you produce. There’s no way these characters can live their whole lives in a desert region without getting a tan. Or they’d be completely covered from head to toe in clothes to avoid sunburns lol
@@auklett Yeah, like the Gerudo Tribe and Ganondorf in Legend of Zelda. They live in the desert, so obviously they’d have a darker skin color. And I’ve never heard anything negative being said about the Gerudo, or at least not on the same scale as Genshin’s controversy. The only Sumeru character I actually defend being pale is Nahida since she’s literally been locked up for her entire life and rarely goes outside. Of course she wouldn’t look tan. She needs vitamin D!
@@razrafz True. Actually, if you think about it, Hoyo could probably fix this problem easily if they used the “fictional world” to their advantage to talk about the Sun. Maybe they’re waiting to talk about it in Natlan since the Sun is often associated with Fire? If they could do this, they’d probably have something to hide behind other than saying “Genshin is fictional” and leave it at that.
Genuine question, but isn't it only cyno, dehya, Candace and sethos from the desert in the sumeru cast? Rest everyone was from the rainforest, right? Although, I would have liked them to be a bit more darker, i thought the mihoyo was very consistent in skin tones in game. Like all tan people, playable and unplayable in sumeru, had some link to the desert and pale skin characters to the rainforest. In all honesty, teyvat's geography doesn't make any sense to me with how everyone's skin tones being exactly the same across the board. Next thing we know they'll be telling us that teyvat doesn't even have a real sun.
Whoever is collecting the money of those signatures is scamming everyone, these people better ask for a refund 💀 As someone from South America I just find this funny, I remember seeing a comment when the neuvillette thing happened that was something like "thanks but this doesn't save from colorism", wdym thanks weren't you boycotting them!?? Like dudee 😂 The boycotters do not actually care about hoyoverse doing things right or not, once Natlan is out, they won't stop playing, they will forget about it and they will whale and get their Mavuika c6 or Ororon c6. The official content creators will still play the game and making content about it, the VA's will still work in the company and getting paid for it, they're not actually risking their jobs over this bs. This is a shit show.
I WAS ALMOST SPIT MY DRINK AFTER READING THIS SENTENCE🤣🤣🤣: Thanks but that wasn't save for. colorism. For real tho they were a terrible Hypocritical people who was addicted and never touching grass a while 😂
this is a wild situation to begin with, like it wouldn't hurt to add/redesign some other characters they are gonna be releasing in natlan but considering most of genshins player base doesn't seem bothered by it hoyo doesn't see it fit to do so
I can't speak for Natlan but I am an Indian so I can speak for Sumeru a bit. No one here gives a hell about what skin colour the characters are And I am yet to see Arabs get angry that there is not a dark character thats represent them. Do you know why? Bc our culture surpasses skin colour but your brain has not. Our culture can be represented perfectly without the need to fit in darker characters. You all sound like a joke here where we, who the culture belong to don't get angry but you do in our behalf on topics we don't care about. Also, if Mihoyo bends their knee and do make the character darker, they can kiss goodbye to their asian market. I can promise Asia offers far more than America and Eroupe combined do.
@KnightGunny is it really forcing an ideology for wanting more diversity in playable characters for a region based game? Neither you or OP can speak for everyone on this. Baldur's Gate 3 is successful af regardless showing that diversity isn't what makes a game unpopular or bad. What makes a game unpopular or bad is the fact that it's shit.
I'm part of the arab community and let me tell you back in the sumeru contreversy days people in the genshin arab community were making fun of the americans who were complaining about skin color we really had our fun with that
Presch brotha, fellow indian here , i liked sumeru, i don't give a damn abt a representation ,character's Skin-color or some other shit in a fictional game as long as i get to enjoy it.
99% of Genshin players don't even hang out on social media. If people want to complain be my guest, but these boycotts will never work, just give it up already. Also for reference, Genshin still gets about 60-65 million monthly players according to Activeplayer. 100k signatures is a drop in the ocean in comparison.
Like they would listen to reason with that kind of bs they came up in the first place. And oh well, another case of the loud minority being too loud I guess.
@@jackinuzuki2890 if I'm correct that number is last month player so it should at least filter out those not playing For the multiple accounts. That's kind of the minority just shave that nunber 10% if you're being generous go to around 30% and it still alot of people to convince
People identifying with their own skin color and whining they don't get represented or misrepresented in media never cease to annoy me. My race never gets represented anywhere and I don't really care either way. Isn't the character more important to identify with and not their mere skin color? I'm with Hoyoverse on this; it's a work of fiction. There's no hard rule any region in Teyvat has to strictly follow their real world inspiration. People need to distance themselves from shallow parallels and just look at whether the characters have substance or something of value to relate to. Skin colors are just cosmetics, enjoyable to look and appreciate their uniqueness, but nothing to take too seriously and over-identify with.
People forget skin tone is a regional thing not cultural. Like they represented India really well with music, names, using Sanskrit and Hindi, using the lore of our gods. It was awesome and none of my friends too complained about skin tone (we all are dark skinned btw). Only these Americans are pissed for some reason lol
@@nityaagarwal2408 ikr? If your country is big enough your nationality has half the spectrum on rgb scale. Those people really hate the idea of skin color being anything other than a side effect of how much sun hit your ancestors
Here’s what would happen if Hoyo DID change the skin tones: 1. The community would still find something to complain about because when will they ever stop? 2. China and Japan would boycott because they don’t want darker complexions, and at THAT point it’s game over for Genshin Impact. So trust me, this boycott is going nowhere. Those boycotters are hypocrites who’ll forget everything they said the day Natlan comes out.
Wait, about Ororon, didn't the archons also have demon names, even Paimon? So is no one demanding them to correct that? One more thing, not everyone playing Genshin has twitter and some see Genshin twitter as the toxic part of the community. No wonder they're not taken too seriously. I hope they have the same energy to help the real POC and not just the pixelated ones.
As someone who lives in a country where there are many diversity, skin color, culture, religion, etc. I couldn't relate to why Western people are so sensitive about skin color and I never understood how skin color is considered as a culture, isn't culture something that can be shared with others? But Still, I want to have a character to have more black skin. Well, I've already given up as they never listen for the game rewards, so I can't imagine they would listen to this thing.
youre probably lucky youve never been racially profiled and hate crimed for it then. if you cant relate to how trauma has shaped peoples experiences then youre lucky
it's not just western ppl tho, also the game is representing ancient latin and african cultures from back when the skin diversity was just dark skinned there were no white ppl till the europeans came to the land. I too live in a semi devirse country (i'm from latin america) but my country is diverse only because of several historical events. If hoyo wants to represent ancient latin/african cultures in their games they should start by representing the people correctly too. I hope this helps you understand
@@ghosttea3802Hoyo didn't represent any cultures, they just get inspiration by actual culture. If you actually care about culture you should boycott genshin since version 1.0, I mean - Liyue is inspired by china but they have natural colorful hair? This does not make sense right? Why does no one say "it's not represent Chinese people?" Yes genshin world building is inspired by many actual culture but if we talk the playable characters? No, every playable characters does not take the actual peron in the world, instead they always use anime style
Genshins primary and sole purpose is to generate revenue. It's been shown in the past that lighter skinned characters sell well to their primary source of revenue (china) so why would they waste time and resources on making characters that appeal to the minority and won't make as much revenue? Not saying I agree with this at all. Trust me I'd love some hot dark skinned characters but it's not profitable to make them so they won't. Sadly just how it is
@@ghosttea3802 but here the thing and it's a common criticism with your argument you are making the skin colour=culture argument. That's not how culture works culture is a belief, a way of life yes it represented more by your darker colours but it's not your right to say who can and can't represent culture. Would it be better and nice change if they did? Sure but not alot of people will care cause we don't care we just care about you knowing culture around the world and good characters. You need to realise this is a fictional game, a fictional universe where they can take whatever they want and do whatever they like. What if they didn't do this and replaced them with idk a kangaroos and moose people? Will you lot be saying the same situation as we are now or will you lot layoff? If this was based on our world then sure your argument would hold some claim. Like the video showed Fontaine was meant to be french and UK culture but as a fellow Englishman my culture wasn't very represented very well and had little of our culture apart from a few food items. Idc but if you are gonna make these claims then where was you lot making a big deal about our representation? It's called double standard. You can't even say this stuff but then say it's different when it comes to you and you lot deserve exceptional treatment when you didn't argue for others. See the problem with these type of arguments now? You argue for culture but only when it's yours and no one else's. And I didn't say anything cause again idc I go into a game to just enjoy it not find something to complain about something that won't even be an issue when the nation releases because we are all enjoying the content
You speak facts my friend. The reason why I even play this game is because the characters look nothing like real human beings. I'd be playing Cyberpunk or some other game with realistic graphics otherwise.
I don't play Genshin and I don't really care but in my opinion dark skintones would've been more appropriate. Not saying that your opinion isn't valid btw just sharing :p
China isnt very fond of having black characters shown in most promotional material. If you look at posters for movies from Marvel and star wars, they hide black characters in the back or remove them completely. This has also been done in many other movies with dark-skinned characters. They rather show more fair-skinned characters to promote it to the people of china, japan, and korea. As an African male, id love to see Genshin actually add more character that have my skin tone, but they just dont like characters like that.
It's actually a shame, and as a Chinese person I can say that these beauty standards suck. They hinder the creative and diverse potential of character design in video games by applying real life standards to them. Not to mention that it fosters really unhealthy mindsets amongst actual people- East Asian people aren't paper white, yet they're under the impression that that's the only standard of "beauty", and a lot of physical & mental health risks come along with these societal pressures. But honestly, at this point you can't really expect the company to change their mind anymore, as long as they get income they won't listen all that much.
Probably because they're a company that needs too much money. So, what do you expect? They'll change for the better to add more diversity? Of course not. As much as I would definitely love more darker skinned characters, I know as HECK that they won't.
So they should simply avoid adding anything even remotely associated with our cultures! Don’t add the names of our gods, or our music end of story. Problem solved.
Probably marketing strategy too. In the end they have to pander to their biggest money income: CN player. They can, but they need to consider because in the wnd they're company looking for profit. Honestly I think people should pander to CN player instead of Hoyo if they want brown or dark skin character. They hold biggest decision after all.
Even if the CN community does care, miHoYo wouldn't care unless we report them to the government or sue them. You'd be surprised by how much controversy miHoYo gets into in the CN community, and very rarely does miHoYo actually listens to us.
Suspect petition is inflated with bots + fake signatures. Saw someone use a fake on the spot made up email and it still went through. Also there are multiple posts and comments online of people admitting that they didnt even play the game but signed it to be keyboard warrior or that their teen friends asked them to sign. So yeah, I don't really see the 100k+ signatures as meaning anything. If it upsets them that much, just uninstall the game and stop playing. That is what boycott means. They need a dictionary.
In discord servers im in atleast while they feel like they are many many many of them, when you actually focus its more like only 8 who are chronically online and just spam the posts over and over. Loud minority fr.
Considering how lunatic they are, they're definitely making multiple addresses or account to boost the numbers. That's guaranteed. Typical western "we're the good guys" woke tactic
I wonder what mythical animals from your culture they will incorporate into this nation. I mean, they used yōkai in Inazuma, jinn in Sumeru, and melusines in Fontaine, so that leaves some speculation for Natlan.
as a black girlie i’m a little bit upset, i wasn’t really expecting much from them tho. there’s really no point bcuz they aren’t going to change. there’s no point in boycotting if you’re still going to play the game, but it is a little bit messed up. 🤷♀️ edit: why are we arguing all i said was i wish they added darker skin characters what this was not supposed to be a fight 😔
As an asian person I would like to say that Asians do not hate black or dark skinned people, It's just that asian beauty standards vastly prefer light skin. One of the main reasons for this is because In Asia, having darker skin usually implies that you are of the lower class and work in the field or other labor intensive jobs while lighter skin usually means that you are rich and get to stay inside. Unfortunately, this thought pattern (which seems to have started in ancient China) is flawed since humans have various skin tones and can't all be light skinned. In fact this seems to be the opposite within the western world as the rich would try to get tanned as a status symbol of being able to afford expensive machines or vacations. Anyways, this has led to skin whitening products becoming popular all throughout Asia, especially within southeast asia since southeast asians naturally have darker skin tones. One not so funny story I heard from a blasian classmate is that her chinese aunt tried to give her skin whitening cream due to asian beauty standards. But yeah whenever something like this happens in asia, It's usually just blissful ignorance instead of actual racism, something that is becoming increasingly common in the west. EDIT: Jesus the comment section is becoming a shitshow. the purpose of this comment is to just provide a possible explaination to why dark skinned characters are quite rare in genshin. I am personally am not fond of the "colorist" aspects of asian culture, I'd even argue that asians are pretty racist in certain aspects.
Yeah but they still hate people with dark skin you can't take African cultures and not have African people in the game it's very weird and speaks volumes this world loves black culture but hate the people If genshin was more open to pov then they would make twice as much as they do now but because only Asians play the game I understand why they stick to the Asian and white audience but don't use other pov cultures then
The only possibly relevant thing are the voice actors since a lot of countries play the game in English. I wonder if any of them are actually quitting or just virtue signaling. I guess Hoyo can ignore them if they're still willing to do the job. You don't necessarily have to fire them even if they're hurting your image. Ideally they should just make them sign a non disparagement clause when they take the job.
help? usa is 15% of recent gi revenue and 16% overall (over 500m$) then theres germany, canada, uk, france, australia with ~1% so its probably about 20-25% combined. its not a lot but percentage wise but over 500 million $ is insane
@@pdpgb A lot but most still use Japanese and Chinese dubs. Or at least the relevant ones who actually do pay mHY. Since the game is bigger in Japan and China than it is in the US.
@@artyur2268 do u think every player from those countries will support the boycott? and if 20-25% is a huge number look at their asian audience who most likely will not pull/spend money on dark skinned char. For 2 reasons: 1) they don't like dark skin 2) they will spit hoyo in the face if hoyo will change something for western audience like that They r tired of West dictating how everything should be and they will not tolerate it in such games If we have americans who r against something like sweet baby inc how do u think asians will react? It will be a big scandal, real one this time
@@pdpgbi'm pretty sure some voice actors are on hold bc there's a strike going on the USA with the SAG-AFTRA bc they want protection to stop their voices from being used for AI training and all that. And since the company that makes the EN dub for genshin is under the SAG-AFTRA then they are currently on pause until they get a response. So no, the voice actors are not stopping working bc of the boycott lmao. In any case, depending on how many of them can't participate, hoyo will probably just release events and the like with some characters being un-voiced if its just a few of them or maybe just don't release any EN dub for now if its a lot of them. For the people who use the EN dub, well unless they want it to feel like an un-voiced WQs then they better switch to the other dubs. Tho I doubt the next few updates will suffer a lot since its a new region with a new cast and they probably recorded most of the lines already
3 weeks late but I come here to say one thing and one thing about this drama. Fuck everyone involved on the "better representation" side since I was on the receiving end of this back in Sumeru (middle eastern here). I fucking love the designs and I was so happy with the character. The one I was most excited about was Al haitham because he is based on a real life scholar. But then I log on twitter to see people miss representing my culture and speaking out of their ass saying the skin color isn't correct. I. DO. NOT. CARE. what I care about is a good representation of a character not it's skin color, again back to Al haitham, Ibn al-Haytham is the father of cameras which was represented in Al haitham kit by giving him lenses. That's some fine attention to details about a character based on a real person. I couldn't give two shit about his skin color, they could have made him ash and as long as they payed respect to his line of work and what he did and represent. I will still get the character. People who care about skin colors see the world in black and white filter with nothing between. So again. Fuck everyone for thinking they know better while they themselves have white skin and don't live in those countries
Im just so tired of getting the same character models in general. Its like getting cupcakes with different frosting but the only real difference in the food coloring the put in the frosting. Like why so many loli characters but no old people characters... Even diversity when it come to weight, muscle, personality, skin tone etc.
Honestly they put that diversity in skin tone and body types went to ZZZ and HSR. The reason for that was that, when Mihoyo, started Genshin, they didn't know how to mold different body types until Sumeru came. So now, they shouldn't stay in the same mold in Genshin if they can already implement diversity in their other games.
@@sakiamira lmao no they knew how to. It isn't complicated, the more logical reason is just that they wanted to make it simple. With just a few select body types it makes it very easy to make characters fast like a printing press
Yeah tbh I would like to see the natlan or sumeru characters have some more variety in skin tones not even in a “hoyo is racist fix it” way I just think some of the color pallets would look a little better in general
I understand why people are upset, it would be nice to see characters that look like you in games and media you support that aren't built off of a stereotype. But like you said this is about money and unfortunately we're on the losing end a lot of the time when going up against that all mighty dollar.
"WE WILL BOYCOTT GENSHIN IMPACT AND HOYOVERSE FOR BEING RACIST!1!1!1!" Literally the next day when the Natlan update arrives: *"Natlan characters banner who to pull? Here's the Natlan's character tier list made by me and also here's the next upcoming banner"*
@@lolzu "if they're boycotting, they're not playing" Uh huh? Like they're not going to get back to the game when the new patch comes out for the rewards yea? 😂
I mean what exactly did you expect....? They couldnt do anything about it in the end, no changes were made so they were defeated. of course they'll pull for the characters even if they are lighter than they should be.
As someone from Latinamerica, I don't care about this, and by "this" I mean I don''t care that the characters are not "dark enough". There are people of different colors in Latinamerica, not only black. If anything I am very happy they got inspired by my culture. It is just that, an inspiration, not a representation. edited to add context
@@sakiamira but it did make hoyo do something.. not this pathetic "boycott".. everyone is sick and tired of AMERICANS calling everything racist.. yes.. AMERICANS.. because nobody else outside of America does this stupid take of you're only representing something if you have the same skin color.. a white as milk Irish born and raised in the Philippines is way more Filipino than the brown skinned half Filipino born and raised in the USA.. how's that as representation.?
@@NikocadosPopeyesChickenSandwic yeah they reverted it and it took 10 free pulls to make the people forget about it which is a very valid revert imo, because its been almost 6 months since neuv release and only just now they "fix" it, neuv also had a rerun too before this fix
I’ve spent close to 1K USD when I used to play the game two years ago and still deleted it a while back. Sunk cost fallacy is stupid, your money is already gone. Keeping the game downloaded will do nothing for the boycott, these people need to face the hard truth.
Fr why are dehya and cyno so mid fighting wise god the day Genshin finally makes a hot dark character who is actually op will be the day I finally spend. (Probably never happening tho lmao)
@@Pixel._.Faerieelike you said "most" did you not watch the video where they complain about the character sharing the name of a Yoruba god? (Black African)
@@akinyx5407 Thats just one character. Its sad that all we care about is their skin colour, like seriously. No focus whatsoever on making sure they properly showcased the culture of the people.
The funniest thing about this "controversy" is that Americans are seemingly the only playerbase that actually care about this stuff. When it comes to representation ill admit that Genshin isnt the best, but they do try. Their depiction of Chinese, Japanese, French, and Middle Eastern Cultures feels genuine to me, and as someone from the regions i feel really happy that my culture is being represented in a game. Its not just about skin color, its about way more than that. Its about language, architecture, food, and so much more. Obviously this is a game so i dont expect them to be 1-to-1 representations of the real world, but its pretty close. I feel like americans spend too much time worrying about skin color and not enough time actually caring about true representation. My pet peeve with Mihoyo is that while Liyue does its best to represent China, it only represents Northern Chinese culture and leaves out Southern and West China. China is a vast and diverse region, itll be nice for them to accurately represent the whole country and not just the northern parts.
There's a fine line between criticizing what you love in hopes of change, and having to step back from something and accept that this product is not for you. In this case, the boycotter's need to step back and accept that this game is never going to be what they truly want it to be. And that sucks. I understand. It sucks to have to come to terms with the fact that a game is very close to what they want it to be, but still is not quite there. Their acceptance phase will come eventually.
It's so weird too since there were no black characters when they started playing but now they're demanding they be added. So what even made them play it to begin with?
@@pdpgb being black was never an issue until they started taking our culture and basically saying the people of that culture aren’t pretty enough to be in the game
I bet we'll see another month with record profits after this "boycott". Btw where was the "respect other cultures" controversy when Hades made their Greek gods Black?
This needs to be shouted from the high heavens, seriously. That one is even more blatantly taken from greek myth, unlike Hoyo which is mostly just borrowing names, concepts, design, etc, and making a mix mash of everything. Hades hate, anyone? No? Okay.
I don't understand why Genshin Impact is the only game being called out. If you are going to call them out, do the same with all the other games guilty of the same thing. Otherwise, it just seems like you are trying to cancel Genshin Impact just because it is popular, so your cause has little to no meaning nor effect.
@@asdfasdf11835 He's Latino lmao, it does actually involve him. He didn't speak on his own culture tho cuz he didn't care about the South American Representation issues after all he himself is a very light skinned Latino. His issue was with Olorun specifically, as Ororun is based on a known black deity. Of course I remain of the opinion that culture transcends skin color myself, you could have made half of Fontaine black and I wouldn't have been offended as a French person cuz skin color simply doesn't make a culture. A culture is made by it's history and the various events in went through, not something as petty as the amount of melanin it's people have in my opinion.
Let's put it into perspective. 100k out of 60+Mil is 1/600+. Let's say you have a restaurant that serves 600+ usual customers and then 1 person comes in, asks only for water and starts complaining that you don't make the food the way they wants you too make it or else bad review on Facebook. That's what this "boycott" is, a joke.
I want people to know a few things- 1. you can use more than 1 email for the petitions. It started to go quite after 100k hit. After 50k it was being slow and after 100k it just SILENCES. 2. People boycotting are doing it WRONG. They think they can play the games without giving them money By going “f2p” which is wrong. You give them money by playing AND interacting with their post REGARDLESS it negative or positive. 3. We aren’t their focus audience. 4. This is a fantasy game. 5. Hoyo did what all creators/artist do. They use references/examples of all types to create THEIR OWN thing. So in this case Natlans culture ISNT any of the references they used. Natlan culture is natlan. 6. Just cuz they named characters the same as things in real life, doesn’t mean they have to be a copy and paste of that reference/example they use. Example: a person their their OC “Jesus” does that mean their oc has to look like Jesus? No. Keep in mind these few things people. BTW IM NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDNT ADD MORE DIVERSITY!!! But “CHANGING” the characters they made already as if they were wrong in the first place? Is absolutely racist. 6 different characters are variations of tan out of the 9 characters introduced. The reason the introduction looked different from splash art for the first 3 are ✨OMG LIGHTING✨ woOoW. Id rather sign a petition to encourage diversity in Genshin vs CHANGE them because I like the characters that came out because their beautiful and did nothing wrong to deserve such hatred and such racist jerks washing them as if them being the color they are is wrong.
Sorry to burst your bubble but MiHoYo is NOT listening. Western players are an overwhelming minority. Chinese and east Asian players by far make up the largest part of Genshin players. Chinese beauty standards heavily lean into "white people = beautiful" and China itself is a very homogonous country, to put that into perspective 97% of China are Han Chinese and Han Chinese are the largest ethnic group in the world, so concepts such as "diversity" are foreign to them and many Chinese see such concepts as "western" and thus such concepts are generally met with hostility by the Chinese. Especially when coupled with the fact that the CCP restricts Chinese internet access. So no, MiHoYo has little to no incentive to pander for western audiences like you and me, all you can really do is just play the game, it sucks, wah wah. At the end of the day, the sun is shining, the grass is blooming and there's still summer vacation and while it might sound stupid to just say "touch grass", if issues like this are bothering you, then i just advice you to have some fresh air. Enjoy your summer ☀
Sorry to burst your bubble but MiHoYo is NOT listening. Western players are an overwhelming minority. Chinese and east Asian players by far make up the largest part of Genshin players. Chinese beauty standards heavily lean into "white people = beautiful" and China itself is a very homogonous country, to put that into perspective 97% of China are Han Chinese and Han Chinese are the largest ethnic group in the world, so concepts such as "diversity" are foreign to them and many Chinese see such concepts as "western" and thus such concepts are generally met with hostility by the Chinese. Especially when coupled with the fact that the CCP restricts Chinese internet access. So no, MiHoYo has little to no incentive to pander for western audiences like you and me, all you can really do is just play the game, it sucks, wah wah. At the end of the day, the sun is shining, the grass is blooming and there's still summer vacation and while it might sound stupid to just say "touch grass", if issues like this are bothering you, then i just advice you to have some fresh air. Enjoy your summer ☀ (2nd reply because my comments keep getting deleted :/)
Because it's not Genshin Impact... it's like saying to COD players "why not play Stellaris! There are lots of cultures there!!!" Reverse 1999 is a completely different game than Genshin impact lol, just as how COD (a shooter) is a completely different game from Stellaris (a 4X strategy game)
I’m a 1999 player, but idk why ppl keep bringing up 1999 when come to this mhy issues, like 1999 have 4 dark skinned characters out of 40, I guess it’s bit better than genshin. while majority of characters still pales, so that’s enough for the wake westerners? idk why y’all keep wanting “ diversity” from those east asia amine games, y’all are not getting it and y’all not supposed to be those games consumers neither.
@@user-yt5sc8pm6d Because it's not about playing it, maybe those games are just not for the Genshin audience which is fair since they're different. It's brought up because they're from chinese devs. In case people would use the "chinese people don't care about colorism" card
Honestly, people need to realize that hoyoverse isn’t a western company, where they will change their social media icons to rainbow for the image of being “inclusive.” They are an East Asian company, and more than 50% of their revenue base is in East Asia, namely China, Japan and Korea. Now a quick google search on beauty standards in these countries will tell you everything. Genshin is not a game where you can see your own skin color as representation for the common folk in your country, it never has been. Genshin is not trying to be an inclusive game, genshin is trying to be a profitable game, it always has been since launch.
That pretty much just sums up the whole thing. A lot of these people don't gain much from engaging in any controversies, the real winner is always the company. It is a shame that these beauty standards are stopping them from appealing to wider audiences, but can it really be considered a loss if they never cared about a "wider audience" or "inclusivity" in the first place? Theoretically if all the international servers were to stop having players, they'd still rack in consistently large income in Chinese (or at least East Asian) playerbases.
@@asweetlilpotato East Asian beauty standards don’t matter when you’re a global game and hoyo is the only one who hasn’t realized that, dislyte, reverse 1999, cookie run kingdom, pokemon, all are East Asian game companies that are filled with dark skins
@@RechargeKarwaDoBabu dislyte and reverse 1999 are both popular Chinese games and they have dark kin characters and Korean companies like devsisters and Japanese companies like gamefreak have black ppl in them
As a guy from South America, I say: From my point of view, I don't see any type of racism. Geshin seems to be inspired more than based on cultures, it's like they take a small visual base that resembles the culture, but the rest is just world building for the game. And in my opinion, one should always take into account the cultural context and for whom this form of media is created. In the case of China, it's obvious that they will have more appreciation for white or pale skin color, not only because of the majority of the population, but for many other reasons as well. I really think it would be cool to have more variation in skin colors! But I don't think it's a problem (Genshin), not having it.
How do you feel about the characters based after real-world African/Mesoamerican deities (Kinich, Olorun etc) being portrayed as white characters? I believe that's where a lot of the anger is coming from.
Still weird how all the enemy types have the darkest skintones and are based on irl indigenous tribes as well as every single dark playable character is weak or mid at best lmao.
Honestly I’m okay with their choice… though they could tan the NPC’s but we don’t know that until we see the region…. My main concern is their overall design… honestly I don’t feel invested in pulling for any of them since their designs are not appealing… neither is their kit It’s basically Fontaine Ark type being often forgotten but in my case is that EVERYTHING about them is just… eh
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Olympic drama is just better, they got:
-Apocalypse;
-a drama around their "inclusive" ceremony;
-a literal pedophile rapist on a volleyball team;
-trans against women;
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Your work ethic needs to be studied
My favourite thing about the "boycott" is not a single "boycotter" even remotely considering the idea of actually stopping playing the game
this is such a weak argument. "just stop playing lol" how do you think change is gonna happen if the players just quit and as a result stop complaining and letting the company know what's the reason behind the dissatisfaction?
@@wanderingsoul4103 People meant that complain and then quit. But people complain and then keep playing and keep spending and supporting which is absolutely stupid if they want any sort of change.
Try having better media literacy you gacha addicts. Have you ever heard of the saying put your money where your mouth is?
@@wanderingsoul4103complaining is useless if you aren’t a Chinese gamer. Chinese gamers DON’T CARE as long as the characters function well. When Neuvi’s ‘spin-to-win’ was removed, guess what those Chinese gamers did?
If they can "just stop" they won't even be a "boycotter" bruh
@@wanderingsoul4103People really be using the word 'boycott' without knowing it's definition. Prime example: You.
It's very in-character for the Genshin community to not know how to boycott a game outside of saying to boycott.
Like some better "boycot's" exists and they were for skins of some simped char
I mean, you can't expect much from community of spoiled 16 year olds.
100Kish signature = genshin community
@@Musiyca spoiled? they're brain-rotten lmao
That's gamers in general. They talk about boycotting all the time, but they still pre-order games, they still play them under the radar while complaining about them. It's all theater.
102,764 signatures? So with 60M live players last month, this boycott would amount to 0.17% of their playerbase. Good luck forcing Hoyo to take any action.
And I bet that a lot of these signatures aren't even from people that actually play the game 😂
not gonna lie as someone who plays the game and cares about this issue, I don't own twitter because I'm not super online, I never heard of a petition. I think it just has such a low reach and missed a lot of signatures because of it.
@@opernceDon't worry, alt accounts will fill that gap
@@lkd338 probably kurobots hahahahaha
It's one person making 100k accounts 😂
Someone said “there are couple of people in china agreeing with boycott too so Chinese people are angry too” 😭 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
this is as trustworthy as queers for palestine saying there are muslims from palestine supporting lgbtq rights
@@hifumienjoyer69exactly, especially if you don't have actually statistics to prove that it's true. word from mouth only goes so far.
@@hifumienjoyer69jokes on you we have in France Muslim and lgbt voting for the same party (France insoumis), sure Muslims are at least honest and said it's thing like "it's not normal for gays,..., to exist, they need to be *reeducated*, we are not friends with *them* we just need they vote to beat the *racist*" (these were quotes from various interview from officials to independent, racist refer to 2 party in France that are proudly nationalist/patriotic)
@@hifumienjoyer69 and I'm guessing the boycotters are also part of that community. Very in character of them.
shoutout to my friend who showed me two posts from the same acc, one going "reminder to boycott Genshin🥰" and the other "OMG SCARA IS MAKING AN APPEARANCE IN THE SUMMER EVENT TOMORROW😍🥳" MF PICK A SIDE FFS just absolute cinema 💀
I remember seeing that, isn't that the daily scara account?
Yeah@@Jaxv3r
Smartest Hoyo fanboy
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Bro couldn't last a day
Boycotting a video game by playing it is one of the sutpidest things i've ever seen
It's genshin fans, you ever think they're smart ?
Call of Duty players can write an entire hymn about that lul
Yea like there were better boycot's agains hoyo and they were for skins, like the chinese dude who sent a bomb if im not mistaken💀
Wouldn't be the first time. Sonic fans boycotted Sonic 4, by buying Sonic 4.
Honestly 😂😂
It's not even a boycott, it's closer to an unintentional marketing campaign than an actual boycott.
Maybe that's the actual point?
@@Instr it was all a ploy
Fr tho. It actually makes me wanna pick up the game again just to spite these ppl. Like, what they’re “boycotting” is just stupid. They’re literally black washing white characters. If someone whitewashed Dehya the entire internet would ostracize whoever did that. But it’s suddenly okay because the roles & races are reversed? Man I’ll tell ya. For ppl that claim to not see color they sure seem to focus on color A LOT.
it got me playing it more lol.... even tho i hate how genshin hasnt improved with there combat or endgame...
lowkey some of the characters made me want to download it lol
People often don't want to admit it, but Tectone was right when he said what he said.
If the Chinese playerbase doesn't threaten to sue mihoyo under chinese law, good luck trying to get them to do something lol
Yeah. Unless is something againts chinese law [Yae miko changes ] or something than goes againts everyone best intereses [neuvi nerfs] they aint doing $hi#
See how fast they reverted Neuvillette's change, and was while the "boycott" was active 😂
Honestly, I keep saying that it is the CN fanbase you should pander instead of Hoyo if you want brown skin character.
Like make a hot chocolate character and show them that it looks good in game.
@@Efgand0894 The boycott only talked about it on social media and messaged Hoyoverse, meanwhile the Chinese community threatened to report them to the government and doxxed employees so they reversed it bc they don't want to upset their main playerbase
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I mean most people realize how pathetic this is. Pushing black representation on a latino continent, they clearly don’t care. As a brazilian, if you get offended by fictional characters, that’s on you. Crazy that the white content creators and va‘s feel like they need to defend us for no reason other than being seen as a hero by twitter, they clearly don’t care either.
@@Snorlaxsnaxx Sadly for Todd, not for his current Starmodfail
@@ricardohoang8452 You could've called it Starfailed, or anything else, and you went with... that?
You've singlehandedly brought the class average down by 12.
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker Emptyfail since day 1 but I think it's more dreadful than empty
In a different video, I saw a comment that said one of the VAs had a bilibili account and tried to bring the issue to them.
CN players immediately kicked the VA out and threatened to make the VA lose their roles, so the VA retracted the Natlan statements. Can't say if the bilibili is true but I did check the VA in question and the tweets are gone.
English VAs are super lucky if their bosses don't axe them for this, i've seen people get fired for waaaay less.
@@UBvtuberi wish they did get axed. It just feels so unprofessional 💀💀 like really? Participating in twitter wars?? 😭 theyre so lucky global branch for hoyo doesnt gives 2 rats ass.
@UBvtuber
Ahaha. I think as long they don't demand the an actual boycott or do a smear campaign, like "STAHP SENDING MONEY CUZ THEY ARE RECESS!!" Or say anything about Taiwan, Hoyo could barely give two fs.
They should do what Snow break did and axe the English. People need to read more anyways. Lol
@@averyglendemming141 same opinion as you. This is so unprofessional its ridiculous. Like they could have used their offical work contacts with hoyo to speak with them directly about the issue if they felt that moved by it. Stuff like twitter posts should only be excused if they seen some illegal/bad business practices like SA/child labour/money laundering/salary extortion..etc.
Meanwhile now that very popular and important english VAs did that, if they arnt punished maybe other VAs in the industry would be tempted todo the same for other minor things, making even more online controversies and maybe leading to delays for our future games/shows/movies..etc.
I’m African and I would like more diverse skin tones but I was not expecting it, the boycott was stupid and performative, considering what’s going on w the Congo I lowkey wish that if Sucrose VA was going to post a book talking about the Congo she’d atleast talk about the horrific human rights abuses in the same thread cause like linking that w Natlan could have brought a lot more peoples attention to it 🤷♀️ people just wanna cash in their racism brownie points imo.
Also those Billi Billi comments are wild LMAO
@@Landminetypeyeah the comments are crazy lol
Tbf It's kinda sad that this type of thing is still normalized in asia specifically the south, you would be hearing the n-word thrown around like it's an everyday word here.
Can't really "erase" this racist mindset when majority of asian people have already adapted this in today's social culture.
@@ScarlettUsagiyea it’s sad but I’ve accepted that while there are numerous amounts of people who find my skin “repulsive” there are just as many that find me beautiful 😞 focusing on beauty standards I can’t change will do nothing for me so I just ignore it, tho it is wild that in even some western jfash communities I’ve seen some tanned folk white washing themselves
Because it's not about actual empathy. If it was then these people would be talking about the horrific conditions alot of people around the world are living in to this day. Instead it's just about skin color and not about relieving suffering for anyone who's actually experiencing tremendous hardships.
I also want diverse skin tone I don't mind... I live in Malaysia My friend are Malays and Indians and Chinese it still can look good but do we go seeking for it no bsc like what you said...Those people doing it on twitter is just doing it for fame and money. Clown shows which instead of bringing this issue to light in a better and smart way totally make people hate it and see through the intention of this stupid act. Its like techtone in the community creating drama everywhere and getting involve in everything those people still love him and donate money to him....its the same.
Hence why its so disgusting to me these people do this stuff gain the views and 1 month later still earning money through Hoyo and still working while other brainwashed by them are becoming more brainrot lol.
Aloy eng VA is so smart by asking hoyo to not credit her, imagine what kind of harassment she got
It’s smart but useless because nobody plays aloy
Especially given the potential two-pronged attack
To me, this boycott is exactly the greatest but also the most pathetic boycott of the genshin community because it is so meaningless, especially when even Mihoyo never cares :)
I think it's good cause people are realizing that there are problems and issues with black rep in genshin (and all hoyo games)
But WHAT do they think a petition is going to do, nothing......and its also the same people signing it who are gonna spend on the banners either way🤦♀️
Edit: people replyying think "black rep" and "having black char" are same thing, THERE NOT
The problem comes in when black people are portrayed SO BADLY in the game like they currently are in genshin
meanwhile, Japan made their most manly, bald Hero Oda Nobunaga into a hot Waifu on battle girl time paradox. people loves it
@@Accountthatexists its a chinese game. why in the world do they actually need black rep? its not american. they dont need to get involved into american race wars. the fact that this is even a discussion is honestly embarrassing. im personally embarrassed for anyone that signed that petition. get a job. go outside. find something else to do because worrying about a chinese game having black characters is honestly just sad.
Personally I don't care about the boycott and it's a bit annoying that twitter is trying to pressure VAs into giving their input, I remember when Allegra Clark (or someone, I don't remember) said that they feel like they have to say something otherwise they get harassed.
Besides the performative nature, I also do not like the way they are lying about how asian regions are supporting the boycott, there is no buzz in JP as they pretty much don't care, while CN there is proven thread in which there are TL of CN comments, and they *actually* don't like dark skin at all and are mocking Twitter. Ironically enough, 2.5 years ago or so they mocked CN for being upset about Shenhe because of 'liyue representation' or something like that, now the opposite is happening..
@@Accountthatexists what are you talking about, black rep? Since when were games mandated to require certain races? Last time I checked I didn't see asian rep in african media so where's the asian rep? Natlan is a fictional region and is not africa. Or do you think natlan is real? I remember when black people tried booking tickets to wakanda.
I remember the nevuillete nerf fiasco and how it was reversed sooo fast that people were saying "TWITTER COULD NEVER" and i had to giggle at the absurdity of it all. Actual comedy show but IRL and spanning world wide.
I mean nevuillete thing was because Chinese players directly petitioned the Chinese government. If there is one thing thet Mihoyo doesnt FW, its the CCP. Remember the Swimsuit ban? Mihoyo doesn't care much about twitter or even about EN players as much as CN players.
@@LiterallyMe91 tbf they don't care about any of the player base, they just fear legal & physical threats, which their own people happen to pull no punches for making reality lol
Apparently Neuvillette's skill before nefr was used in promotional material in China. So yes, Hoyo had to reverse it since players were right in complaining to the goverment about customer fraud.
"twitter could never" is such a hilarious line. i might start using that.
This might be a hot take but the neuvillette nerf was a way bigger issue than the skin tone drama. The moment they think they can get away with giving characters nerfs or altering their gameplay post-release and post-rerun, the game would be screwed
do these people not understand what boycott actually means? "we boycott genshin for not enough black characters but we will continue playing and supporting the game"
By boycott do they mean not using real money?
@@christiandauz3742 that's not how freemium game works. Every freemium games are dependent on whale...low spender and f2p are just medium to promote the game in hope they can catch another whale
@@christiandauz3742 yea pretty much
@@christiandauz3742 yes, but that's dumb because it's a freemium game. They want free to play players there as well because they inflate the playerbase making their company more influential, thus being able to strike good deals with other companies as well
Yes, they don't understand much concepts cause they are still in high school.
“Why cant hoyoverse respect cultures!” When majority of the fandom made fun and mocked yunjins singing
majority? no.
I've heard from some Chinese creators that in terms of the singing style, the actress was actually bad and was hired due to nepotism rather than skill.
@@crypticcryptid4702cn player here, she was.
@@taffyshrimp really? That's crazy 😭😭
this comment is a perfect example of how you people looove to blindly echo false equivalences and skirt around the point. its honestly just pathetic 😂
lmao i thought boycotting meant not playing the game
Ikr? It’s like they’re erasing the significance of boycotting
yes they can play the game but NOT giving them money (it might not be that much but hey a try is a try) is kinda what they r wanting to do, because running servers cost money
It is, but do u think kids would have that much iq?
i remember seeing boycott guidelines on twitter, and one of the rules was "contact your local politician" like??????? okay, they can go as far as contacting local politicians about a Chinese waifu anime Chinese game, but nothing in the guidelines talked abt quitting the game/deleting their account
It does! Lol
Funfact: Mi Hoyo means “my hole” in Spanish. So as a spanish speaker, i really chuckled a lot when i went to Anime NYC back in 2021 and saw the “HoyoFest” booth. 😂
lmao i know this from someone i know at discord
"The booth for my hole"
"MiHoYo se esta expandiendo" XDXD
I died
@@diegoalexanderflorestorres1781 stay away unc
"Sir, there's a one click button boycott website with over 100,000 players boycotting our game!"
"That's concerning, we can't lose 100,000 players!!"
"Well, actually...they said still going to play our game."
"Oh...so what's the problem then?"
"They said they not going to spend money on a free to play game"
"..."
"..."
F2P queens gone wrong 😂
And 100000 of 60 million active players is nothing to hoyo it's only 0.165% of their player base. So even if they stopped playing I doubt they'd care
I dont think that was the best way to put it to frame the boycott as stupid bc this makes it more clear why they it's kind of the only boycott that could work - the game is fucking free, there's not even adverts popping up as you play that they can get revenue off of from f2p players, the money is made ENTIRELY by keeping people engaged and wanting the newest characters. Whether people are playing without spending money or not playing at all literally doesn't affect their bottom line in the slightest, but making a fuss on those surveys? Making noise on the Internet? It's pretty much the only chance non-chimese players have of being listened to 😅
It still feels stupid when the player base is SO massive and most haven't even heard of this petition so the numbers are, like, less than 1 percent of the player base or something, not actually a big deal, but it's still more sensible than going "I'm going to totally ignore this free thing that's so massive it won't notice my non-existant impact leaving in the slightest, that'll show them who's boss!"
@pipedream2556 as a f2p game, genshin gets money from data monetisation, sponsorships, and more. they get money from people downloading the game and playing it. to truly boycott genshin, people need to avoid the company entirely.
I do understand what you mean about how we can't do much so spreading awareness is the best thing available, but it doesn't really DO anything in these circumstances. If people were committed to completely block out hyv from their routine then yes, awareness is key. but that's not the case because as mujin said we are all genshin addicts.
I truly wished hyv was a better company who followed through with the representation of the cultures they chose to include in the game, but they really couldn't give 2 fucks unless they're losing millions of players and millions of money :(
They prioritise the cn community so unless majority of the cn community brings this up to attack hyv, then nothing will happen.
In saying that, that will never happen. the cn community wont speak up because they have lived with the mindset that white skin is attractive which boosts sales and that makes both hyv and cn happy.
@@pipedream2556I don't think my reply worked oops sry
Funny thing about Olorun , at least if you look on wikipedia , Olorun is shapeless , genderless and in spirit form .
The photo we see is just one depiction/interpretation or concept art of him from an artist , while in actuality Olorun doesn't look like anything .
This is one of the passage from wikipedia
"Olorun has no gender in the Ifá Literary Corpus, and is always referred to as an entity who exists in spiritual form only.
Historically, the Yoruba worship Olorun through the agency of the orisa; thus there is no image, shrine or sacrifice made directly towards Olorun,
since Olorun is known to BE everything, and everywhere."
So yes , in a sense , Olorun can be white/black , Sasuke , Batman , Anime Ikemen or just a rock .
Its funny how they got mad over something thats not even true 😂😂
This is sad...this just means the people who DO care about their culture being represented don't even know their culture. That just says a lot of people that are supporting this boycott probably don't even come from said culture. This reeks of savior syndrome as if they're moved by some divine morale force that they MUST act for the "oppressed" people.
just don’t use a god’s name. that is bound to cause controversy. Wiki is also a bad source. Rick Riordan who wrote the Percy Jackson and Egyptian gods books also caught controversy for using god’s name and misrepresenting them (Greek gods are not the same as Romans even if they’re similar hence why Hellenistic culture differs from Romans). You can just makeup a cool name without using a god’s name and offending entire cultures. It’s forgivable if Mihoyo isn’t a multi-million dollar company. They could just hire someone from the culture they’re adapting from as a consultant to prevent messes like this
@@SwanPrncss There are some people that are addicted to a temporary internet fame .
Some of them have good intention but just follow the herd without knowing or do some checking first , then proceed to unknowingly spread misinformation .
Some just do things performatively and doesn't really care about it in the first place , They just want that internet fame and pat on the back like they're doing good works .
@@SwanPrncsswho are you to say those people don’t know their culture? African and Native American cultures are often passed down through word of mouth and a lot of it is lost after colonisation. Just don’t use a god’s name from any religion, especially ones you don’t understand
"I HATE THE PYRO ARCHON ISN'T BLACK"
"OMG GUYS I GOT THE PYRO ARCHON AT 20 PULLS"
People will just never learn 😂
watch her beat the record sales 😭 twt genshin community is a bunch of clowns
cry more plus there was no way she was going have dark skin, in Honkai Universe which Genshin is part of this is Himeko Expy she was always was white looking character
I can do you one better:
"THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT CULTURES, THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE NAHIDA BLACK CUZ SHE IS INSPIRED BY A DARK SKIN GODDESS FROM A DARK SKIN CULTURE"
-Some white angry dude saying he cares about other cultures without knowing that Nahida is based on a light skin Godess from a light skin culture.
@@kyotheman69himeko (Murata) is already dead this isn’t an expy bro
@@Sai-sg2fx "Himeko" in every fantasy verse
We just learned that the ONLY way they will listen are two things.
One, you HAVE to be Chinese.
Two, you plan to sue them.
See recent Neuvillette incident.
You just need to be Chinese that's enough.
@@youravghuman5231 Didn't they do nothing during the 3 years 3 gems thing? Pretty sure even Chinese players were upset, and yet Hoyo didn't do anything. As far as I can remember.
And even if they did it wasn't as impressive as what we just got. (Still sad how one free 10 pull is considered "impressive" 🤣 oh Hoyo...)
Literally report them to the government right 😂 (like Neuvillette incident)
Chinese players will always have one card not available to anyone else-the threat of siccing the government on them. This is how Zhongli got buffed, and also how some Mondstadt character designs were made more modest.
3. Threaten to kill a staff member (like what happened in the Honkai Impact 3rd incident).
I wouldn't call 100k catastrophic when they have literally over 50-60 milion players if not more.
That's about 0.17% assuming they are all Genshin players. Even if they would actually stup playing the game, that number is negligible. But a lot of em wont even do that
At this point, I just play and ignore the fan base. It ain't worth interacting with that level of toxicity.
@@evangelista6953you go my guy! Best comment I have read.
@@evangelista6953exactly. Those toxic people are not worth the attention
@@evangelista6953that is very based of you. I did the same. Though I never did that much interaction with the community, I just stick with my close homies and play the game.
They treat their 100.000 signatures like some enormous achievement.
Completely forgetting that Genshin has millions of active players. Their "communities" size is so small, they are statistically irrelevant, like some weird rounding error.
$2b in 1st year revenue just means it doesn't matter what the "masses" want 99% of the time. MHY got their money and are running with it however they want, and only how *they* want.
I'm a Chinese person born here in the west. I can't really say anything for other south Asian Countries, though in China, paler skin is seen as a sign of beauty, of upper class wealth basically, having never worked a day in the sun etc. China is nowhere near as diverse as the west, it is entirely just Chinese people. I'm not saying I agree with this take, I would genuinely love to see more dark skinned characters in Hoyo games. However, there is a basically 0% chance for Chinese people to even care about this to cause drama for Hoyo.
Most sane people in the west also dont care. The average person looks at something that represents them thinking "Its Nice" but they also dont care if it dont
That's the part that is so confusing to me, I don't think any rational person would complain if they added characters with different skin tones, but it's a game made and developed in China made for a Chinese playerbase
@@Subpar1O1 ur right
This is so true
Yeah, I completely understand this. I feel like it would be totally different if each character named after a deity was supposed to BE that deity. But where their names are simply just inspiration, they aren't really obligated to change anyone.
My favourite thing about this boycott is that mostly it was popularised by the twitter accounts with name "daily/hourly add any character name". Like bro you dailytime routine is sending your favorite character fan arts and posts on your twitter.
I cant imagine how daily Mualani is feeling after having boycott hoyoverse on the name and hearing that the main of the boycott is saying don't pull for Mualani
Lol, it is so true.
JUST A REMINDER:
Boy·cott
-withdraw from commercial or social relations with (a country, organization, or person) as a punishment or protest:
*"we will boycott all banks which take part in the loans scheme"*
-a punitive ban that forbids relations with certain groups, cooperation with a policy, or the handling of goods:
*"a boycott of the negotiations"*
Leftist doesn't know facts
Those are the loudest people complaining having little to know spending habits in the game
good thing I quit Genshin after only 3 to 4 weeks of playing it but obviously that's irrelevant when it comes to CN money and the tyrannical CCP.
fun fact: Boycott is named after Captain Charles Boycott who was a British landlord Irland in 1880 who treated his tenants so bad, that soon nobody wanted to do any kinds of deals with him anymore. His name was then used by the London Times to describe this kind of resistance.
thanks google, give them a piece of sense :3
you're in 2024... you know people don't read...
My biggest gripe with Twitter and really western media in general is that the loudest ones seem to think that just by having varying skin tones, you'll already being "diverse". Something about that feels so disingenuous. It feels more pandering than it is representation.
I have a Kenyan friend look at the Natlan trailers, and he was so elated just by the fact that his culture is being represented. From architecture to clothing, and even some potential myths and legends that might have inspired the game. Skin color would have never even been mentioned had I not asked him about his opinions on it just to see his reaction. He only answered me with "And?". That one reply says so much more to me than the entirety of this so-called boycott could ever do.
I feel like having different skin tones should be the bare minimum. People not in the west also have varying skin tones! And it seems more disingenuous to have your culture represented but not your people. The least they could do was make them just a bit more tan 😭 not even for representation just the fact that it would make sense they would be tanner considering they’re environment 💀
@@MegaHoopsandyoyo first off, skin color isn't always about environment. Secondly, what does not in the west supposed to mean? Just because it isn't America doesn't mean we have less skin color difference lmfao, we have way more varied skins in the same nationalities and therefore actually understand that it means nothing.
@@kurodo9926 I think we’re saying the same thing 😅 I said west bc op said western media and I meant that people outside of America have varying skin tones too. And when I said based on environment I meant how African people have more melanin than Northern Europeans bc of how much sun they get. I don’t know too much about Natlan but I would assume the fire nation would get more sun than the rest of the world 😭
@@MegaHoopsandyoyo uhh, I mean. When it comes to skin tone, sun isn't the only thing going towards how dark you are. I simply disagree with the idea that culture can be represented by skin color. Not only because it's disingenious (cultures span over wide area with no borders) but also because at it's core, skin color is nothing more than pigmintation.
Also, Teyvat's sky is fake so we don't even know if they have melanin kekw. But npc's in Natlan have a lot of darker skinned characters lmao, so here's that.
(Edit: sorry for my initial outburst and thank you for being a bigger man.)
That just shows how racist these "progressive" people really are. Skin color is the first and sometimes only thing they care about, when the actual people being represented with their culture just don't care.
westerners doesn't understand the SEA's crazy obsession with light complexion... we have soaps that can make you lighter upon daily use, is it healthy and safe? who cares? we have better opportunities with light complexion. We even have vitamins and injections to get us as white as possible... i remember this one story i watch in childhood... mind you it's a children story... the princess was dark complexion and everyone hates her and she have a hard lif... then some goddess took pity on her and made her as white as a pearl.... and everyone loves her and adores her after that... so yeah, early on, we are already taught that the whiter the better
Honestly not just SEA. We have a huge both legal and black market whiting products lines in africa which not only makes millions (heck I know many colleagues in medical school who dropped out just to become bootleg steroid creams makers and now they make more than a consultant).
The health risk are also quite bad. It depends on the dose but I had to try and later fail to save many young girls who took insanely high amounts of black market steroids so they become whiter.
I'm also from SEA (Philippines) and honestly I've never been a fan of this mindset. I hope my message this doesn't come off as aggressive or mean cause obvs English isn't first language ko lmao (na nonosebleed pa rin ako taena HAHAHAH), it's just genuinely so sad that while there's colorism and we're just forced to just. Accept that. We'd get whitening products- glutathione- and a shit ton of things to look Western-ish. I don't even want to get started on the colonial mentality in my country 😭😭😭 It sucks. So while I understand that Hoyo likely won't do anything about Natlan skintones, I still hope for my variety in the future orz
Whoa man, down dragg us into that.
@@Ansyteais preference now considered colorism? If I find slim women more attractive, does that mean I am prejudiced against women who are not slim? If I regularly go to the gym to be fit because that's the body type I want to achieve, am I being prejudiced against people who are not fit? I'm also from the Philippines so I know what I'm talking about when I say it's just aesthetic preference and not actual colorism.
Doesnt make it okay. It would be nicer if we had some actual representation, it's time to speak up a bit more now
If you truly believe this would ever be a life or death situation, whilst still actively playing the game you hate so much because you're addicted, then by all means go outside and touch some grass. Wake up to reality.
Honestly lol, i'm not gonna "boycott" Valorant because they have an NB character, it's literally not the end of the world, if i don't like the game because it has X character or doesn't have X skin color then i can literally just go outside, easy as 😂
its easy but its the hardest thing to do
i bet when Natlan drop those the same people want boycott will still somehow put cash for their waifu/husbando regardless of their skin tone
@@reyvaldosoetiman2389 im not playing it, i quit! Im sure a lot of ppl will too but what do u know?? Genshin aint the only hot thing out there so u know. So u commenting this just dont hold anything since ur saying it just to say it hiding behind ur screen. Its not like u have any friends that u know that they will do this or what not...u just want to say something ig. Genshin got a lot of kids playing it, its alright tho i'd expect shit like this coming from y'all kids (white kids to be exact)
@@marbles_dre4688 dude im not even playing this game anymore ( 2 year without genshin ). btw im form SEA and our skin color is not... (Fill the blank yourself) bcs you like to assume skin color
@@marbles_dre4688 lol it's just a game, why are u so mad ?
"STOP BLACKWASHING!!!!" 🤬🤬😡😡
"omg i won 50/50 at Navia Banner" 😘😘🥰🥰💅💅
Blackwashing? What?
I think they meant “whitewashing”
@@Accountthatexists"blackwashing" is basically the opposite of whitewashing except in SOME cases it isnt bad. as long as you dont say you fixed it, dont blackwash/whitewash REAL PEOPLE and when it comes to characters that are inspired by actual darkskinned people. sorry if it isnt a great explanation !! 😭😭😭
@@Aaaqilz you're racist as hell got it
@@nuspas blackwashing is not real hope this helps
The western VAs are so funny:
"I refuse to support a company that does this!"
Me: "So you're quitting your job and role as voicing [this character]?"
"..........no."
Sums up the whole "movement". Keep doing their bidding.
'It's not perfomative. See? I have a book.'
She also has Hoyo's money on her account.
Stepping down as VA won't change the character's design.
@SamIamNot13 But if she's telling everyone else to boycott Hoyoverse, but she's not willing to do it herself, she's a hypocrite that makes the whole movement look like a big joke to everyone looking at them, including people that are considering supporting them, or even making change.
People who are all "rules for thee but not for me" are corrupt, and most of all show they don't even believe what they say they believe in. That kind of corruption should be opposed, especially if you agree with them, because I want what I believe in to be taken seriously.
Khoi Dao be like
It's funny that people think it's a good idea to boycott someone who gives you paycheck 😅
Genshin fans lowkey remind me of K-pop fans when it comes to boycotting 😂
It can only work if their faves aren't threatened. The fact that the only successful major Kpop related boycott being a single-fandom one designed to benefit their idols directly rather than a nebulous pan-industry one speaks volumes.
@@imagiguard totally agree 👍 💜 /ui
FOR REALLL
@@imagiguardwhich is exactly why the whole BTS/HYBE boycott due to their association with Israel is never going to work. It’s just so vague and is littered with performative activism & superiority complexes rather than genuine care, which was provided by Loona and Fifty Fifty fans while boycotting their respective companies.
nah they arnt the majority, there a small sub section...
its like smokers threatening a cigarette manufacturer that they will stop smoking if they dont change cigarette flavors
@KnightGunnydon't clump Muslims with that boycott campaign. It's just a woke people as well that using Muslims for their cause.
LOL perfect analogy actually
Or saying they will still smoke but only 1 pack per day because of the boycott XD
they are still smoking it tho😂
Cigarette has flavours??
This should not be called a boycott, if the people are gonna continue to play the game daily
DUALITY
DUALITY
well genshin fans aren't the brightest to be fair
What do you mean by that
@@revengeofthesith. genshin characters aren't as well
This boycott is laughable... The amount of players in SEA alone dwarfs the amount of players in west by a huge margin..
SEA on the top ten list spend revenue genshin impact yet NA non of it on the list.
@@zachheadhunter9551 which is hilarious as a SEA player myself that us, people from the countries which has lower GDP than NA, spend more money than them
@@whatismyadjectiveiconfused Yeap kinda surprise to me. Yet NA non of it on the list. Kind a SEA actually gacha hardcore.
honestly for genshin, losing 100 000 western players is not a bad thing. i'd consider we are not losing enough. we need to lose more. problem is they keep playing the game while signing this, sadge.
Tru
Couldn't agree more
I imagine half of those don't even play the game or are bots/sock accounts. And the other half won't stop playing anyway just like they didn't when Sumeru came out and we had this exact same drama.
Especially if they’re the ones who spends their entire time on Twitter.
I love these type of games and I agree, the western “community” stinks.
I'm from Korea and my friends who play Genshin are mostly like "That character looks cool but how good are they?".
It's mostly Meta here and their waifus and husbandos are usually top tier characters.
You would probably reconsider if the characters look like Concorde characters. The truth is, mihoyo characters are both meta and waifu. The least waifu character is still very good looking.
My favs also tend to be meta (at least at time of release) like Hu Tao, Nahida, Ayaka. I'd roll for them anyway but it's a nice coincidence.
@SourDonut99
Highly agree
Concorde is peak representation with little player based since the character models are repulsive. It's really aesthetic first, meta then for most of the casual gamers
And HoYo fucks over the very few (6/85 currently) brown/black characters they even have by making them all like mid-tier at best, which is partially why people buy into the narrative that "brown characters just won't sell in Japan/Korea/China" like this guy does in this video. Kaeya's OK, Xinyan is bad, Dehya's bad, Candace is OK, Sethos is OK, and Cyno is like "OK-to-good". And then you look over at Star Rail and see the sole darker skinned character Arlan is literally the worst character in the game.
We have yet to get a *strong* melanated character in these games. Strong like Kazuha, Hu Tao, Furina. Until we get that we don't have definitive data that they can't sell well in these places, because HoYo keeps handicapping the few we have while knowing that meta is a big reason a lot of people desire certain characters.
Problem is in genshin every character of color has a bad kit
"We're gonna boycott your game cuz no dark skin people!!"😡😡
*Continued playing the game without even considering to quiting*
Kaeya, Xinyan, Dehya, Candace, Sethos, Cyno, Mualani: "Guess we don't exist"
@@zahkrosis666 they're not dark enough for them I guess😭😭
@@AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH00 The cycle never stops spinning.
@@AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH00No one will ever be dark enough for them, and if its too dark they will say its a racist depiction
@@AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH00 Obviously...? Those people are lighter than cardboard (yes i compared it) Of course they arent dark enough. Most of those characters are based off of gods and real people. Genshin is quite literally just saying they like every single thing about a certain cultue except the types of people within it, even though those people are a key part of the culture. It's stupid.
i have african friend who play genshin and one of them said,
"Me, personally about this skin tone issue in Genshin? I don't care about it. I'm just happy our culture is still getting recognized within the game."
interesting, I’ve seen a fair bit of Latin Americans, Africans, etc. on the opposite side of the argument as well and wanting more representation. I guess it’s just a matter of perspective. I’m Asian, not one of the cultures being talked about in Natlan, but I personally don’t like how Mihoyo represents cultures so well, but not the people of those cultures. It’s not really my problem to talk about, I guess
@@k1wishade I am from latin america and dude our people couldn't care less We still enjoy genshin as a fantasy game that yeah take inspiration for our culture but thats all, so many people think like oh but they are more black and here you literally find whithe tanned black but not as much as internet expose to english people, we here in chile one of the most player base in latin america are literally laughing at how its more white people complaining than us, the supposed real "victims" at their eyes, we are not like internet paint us like SO into or culture we are not tribes, and natlan its inspired in precolombine south america LITTERALLY BEFORE OUR CONTINENT WAS EVEN DISCOVER DUDE THAT WAS CENTURIES AGO so yeah we are laugthing about this shit its hilarious just a child rage moment for some people at MyHoyo that fun fact in spanish when you read myhoyo it mean "my ass/butt" So yeah its really funny see 1st world people complaining for us and playing the heroes when they are "drowning themselves in a cup of watter"
PS: sorry for some mistakes in my coment im fluent talking english not written it
Key word being "personally". It's all about perspective. It's okay to be angry if you feel like your culture is being misrepresented. It's also okay to not care about it whether or not you are from said culture.
This boycott however, is a complete joke. Half those people who signed the petition are probably still supporting the very game they wish for change in. Like make it make sense.
@@kialo2085 HELP YEAH "hey guys I signed the boycott, BUT im still playing genshin, it's not like im paying money!" i swear half the people in our community have no idea what boycott means
yeah your african friend doesn't speak for everyone bro😭
I'm from Madagascar, which is an African country. If you asked people from here about this, they wouldn't give a rat's ass about the character's skin colors, we're playing just because we enjoy the game, not because we have representation from it.
OMG I'm from there too! finally a player from Madagascar!
If i may ask, what's your uid?
Heyyyy I have Madagascar origins from my mom’s parents! My last name is from there!
Ok to be serious there’s a ton of ppl from Latin and African countries that DO care. I’m mixed and tan and DO care.
Representation things aside you can clearly tell that most of the natlan characters were designed with dark skin in mind. Like their tattoos barely pop on light skin, and with the edits they pop even more
Lmao there was a dude who posted that he bought the Nilou skin in the GI facebook group for Madagascar players 😂. And there are still people who asks for shops to buy GC and Welkins.
It's so true, Madagascar players really dgaf.
@@bibuletheir tatoos wouldn't even be that colour if they were dark skin 🤦🏿♂️
@@bibuleolorun, iasan, kachina and mualani are the only character si could identify with tatoos and my observation proves that what you said is a lie.
Mualani shares complexion with hawaii people, and her tats are visible as far as I am concerned. Then there is olorun who literally has black tatoos that would be almost invisible on a black person. Then there is Iasan and kachina seem to have the same tatoo and so I will agree that white tatoo on black skin is better than white on literal "white" skin. but one character of like 8 isn't exactly "mostly". I hate liars like you ngl. You just make claims that gullible people like me fall for and spread misinformation.
The best way to enjoy a game is to completely ignore the community and fanbase
I joined the fanbase to look at fanart and brainrot over the lore, ended up seeing drama that gave me an aneurysm. (can i get a refund
I'm just frankly apathetic with the community for the most part. All I know is that Natlan is giving us a shark girl who's Neuvilette 2.0, and I like her
I think the most fun parts of the fandom are actually the people who theorize over the lore. That's where people don't care about appearance, bad or good kits, lacking endgame. They appreciate the lore the game drops, read artefact and weapon and sometimes even predict future content.
I agree but I kinda agree with the angry people not because of the drama but because I’ve seen the darker tone edits and ngl they look heat asf
i deleted my twitter account after sumeru came out and now i just make up stuff about characters ❤ my life is bliss and i am pure creative freedom
Personally, I wish that Natlan characters have more melanin, and I do understand and agree with why people are dissatisfied. However, the boycott was a poor decision that was also planned out impulsively.
a note: I am not from the West nor am I light-skinned. I am adding this since a lot of people talking about this situation here like to downplay genuine criticism by calling others “Western” or “woke”.
Agreed, it’s really embarrassing. I’ve just been ignoring Twitter’s clown show.
Okay but i agree with you. They say “ BOYCOTT GENSHIN ” then continue playing the game.
Finally, a decent comment. I also want more darker skinned tone characters. But boycotting Hoyoverse is not the solution.
I agree. Yeah, wish there was more diversity (because the colors of the outfits don't even 'pop' with their skin tone), but boycotting Hoyoverse has to be one of the dumbest thing they have done.
wanting more melanin , 'representation' , 'inclusivity' ... thinking about these itself should count as 'racist' ...
The VA at the biggest risk after talking about this is Sucrose's. A four-star character who hasn't had much screen time in a while? She could be easily replaced and most people probably wouldn't notice.
Western Hoyoverse will not dare to fire her because she voiced her opinion - it will reflect terribly on them.
@@Sonchikas1 That's also true
@@Sonchikas1 I don't think that's necessary true ,
the contract is between Hoyoverse and the Union she's in , which right now is doing a strike ,
since work is per contract/role too , there might be no need for more Sucrose line in the future too .
They can switch Union/Agency anytime since the work is already done too .
doesnt sucrose's va use they/them pronouns?
@@oysan.n I don't know, so I apologize if I used the wrong pronouns
"WE WILL BOYCOTT GENSHIN IMPACT!!!"
"How will you do that?"
"BY PLAYING THE GAME!!!"
No wonder the Hoyo never gave a crap. Their idea of boycott undermines actual boycotts that result in people being actually hurt.
XD
would rather this boycott than what china does.
poor janitor at Hoyo getting doxxed for the 3rd time 😭
Even f2p give them money each time they enter in the server
Bro the whole money people donate is from Japan. People ARE boycott, and didn't play. you just didn't know
Some guy in IG was mad about me for telling him to play the game, isn't boycotting
As a Chinese, some insights here: Chinese people/East Asians do not "hate" black people; rather, they simply do not prefer "darker skin tones." Westerners might spend a lot of money tanning to achieve a bronzed skin tone, which shows they have enough leisure time to go on vacations outside of work. In contrast, Chinese/East Asians do the opposite; even on the beach, they try to cover every inch of their skin, and there are many "whitening" cosmetics available on the market. This is because, in East Asian culture, fairer skin is associated with higher-status professions that do not require outdoor work, unlike manual laborers who get tanned from working outside. Due to this cultural subconscious, introducing dark-skinned characters is more than likely to result in poor sales. This is not just the case with miHoYo; no Chinese game company would risk doing so if the game and your work KPI depended on the sales of each banner. At most, dark-skinned characters might be included as a minor element, but they will never become the mainstream. even in Natlan.
Those standards exist in the west too, they've just very actively been trying to push them out of the culture for decades now. Even in places like Brazil where everyone is dark skinned they still view the lighter skinned people as a sign of status. But especially in America having that preference is considered racist so nobody is allowed to express it. If you look at old fairy tales like Snow White it's very clear pale skin has historically been seen as a sign of beauty. Definitely not a unique Asian phenomenon.
As someone from Philippines I think it's kinda the same. (Especially in my family)
Also we're obsessed with your country (+ Japan and Korea) just sayin
You were right until u said that other Chinese games wouldn't risk putting darker skinned characters on a banner. Reverse 1999 as an example has had many darker skinned characters on banner
@@orion.6 Well never heard of it, but I spent some time did the research, took a glance at the character list and I think you've redefined 'many'.
yes they do lmao
this is the most pathetic boycott i’ve ever seen, like i see tweets being like “guys stop buying stuff so we can boycott” YOU CANT BOYCOTT A *FREE* MULTIPLAYER GAME BY NOT BUYING ANYTHING, YOU BOYCOTT BY REFUSING TO PLAY AND RAISING UR VOICE. gamble addicts try to quit genshin challenge
(also i’m not on hoyos side, i wish the characters would atleast be a little darker)
Why do the characters have to be darker if the game developers don't want to make that? You can go play that new WoW expansion if you want to play as a black woman.
@@pdpgb there's no way you can objectively look at some of the designs and think they look good. some of them would benefit from darker skin due to colour theory
Playing the free game for free without spending money means there will be less people spending on the actual game?? That seems like basic math personally I quit Genshin 100% but I know a lot of people can’t do that because they’ve invested a lot of time but by not giving Hoyo money it shows that they’re making a statement I just hope the banners don’t sell well.
@@pdpgbBecause if they claim to be for a world-wide audience, and make countries based off various cultures, the characters should reflect the cultures they're using. One of the characters is literally a Nigerian deity who is very pale. Even Chinese players are confused.
@@pdpgb More variety in character design.
I’m willing to bet these are the SAME PEOPLE telling Japanese folks to “get over it” when they express their anger towards AC Shadows 😂 I’m glad this is happening, Americans and Westerners need to learn that they’re not the kings of the world lol
They 100% are the same people
Says the weeb
On one hand:
Bringing up strawmen about culture and history to thinly veil your hate towards blacks. Demanding Ubi to CANCEL an already made game.
On the other:
Asking Mihoyo to make characters who run around outside in an African region a bit darker. Because you know... this is how sun works.
Who is more unhinged?
@@lazyvoid7107 says the one in a genshin impact related video comment section
@@lazyvoid7107 Being a weeb is better than being an idiot.
The "i spent thousands I cant possibly delete" comment is so funny to me
Two gachas I'd spent probably a couple hundred + on over the 2 years I played them I dropped so easily when they made stupid changes to the game, no hesitation and no looking back
The weakness of others amuses me
😂
it is called the sunk cost fallacy and it will keep people playing... especially if they were at the top of a pvp type game. Drop 20k. Drop 50k Then drop the game. A few hundred over 2 years? Bro I spent more than that the first month of genshin LOL. I have quit a few games where I dropped a few hundred within the first few months but if I built it into a habit for years and spent several tens of thousands? ITS FAR HARDER.
It is called an addiction. And sunk cost fallacy is a well known psychological phenomena.
I spent
it happened to me when i got massive burnout from playing genshin, where i log in for a few days then never touch the game for a few months until a new character dropped or character im interested in dropped, though i never spent a lot for the game, just a few rupiahs either welkins or just primos. I still like the game, but of course burnout always happens, like for HI3 i played the game since 2020 and just recentlyi decided to uninstall since i havent coming back to the game due to burnout and just overall exhaustion with the game, even though i have good characters and stuff.
Of course its never easy to let go of your game when you have spent hundreds of hours and cash for it, but then again, eventually all games will shutdown and when that time comes even they will have to be ready for it.
i can relate, i spend thousands of my salary to Genshin Impact too. but after 2 years of me playing Genshin and requesting a skip conversation and skip dialogue and Mihoyo not adding it, i immediately uninstalled. seriously its so time consuming listening to dialogue and auto convo is not that fast.
100k signatures only for absolutely no changes to happen.
What a clown show.
like 70k of those are not even real sigs from players, there's a ton of bots and non-players
they really thought 100k from millions is gonna change something lol
I prefer that over the same face syndrome going on in Genshin. At least Dehya was different.
100 000 from 65 000000 isnt much.
Fr 💀 those 100000 people thought they were changing the world while they are literally peuny compared to Asian players
bro needs to breathe fresh air from all the drama and make another interactive map video!
Omg real
Yeah kinda miss him making those... But I think he'll probably do it again when Natlan update finally came
But the drama is needed , necessary and right let's be real on that that's fact
This drama baiting gets him money. He's following the HYV example. Brave, since without his humor content his channel is easier to quit than Genshin.
hello mr K
company based at the other side of the world runs off a different value system than America 😱😱
It's so funny that CN community is also raging, but for a very different reason.
Don't tell me you believe in that bot spammed Hat guy NTR drama?
@@handsomejack2201 wait so that's fake? Huh.
@@GilangRamadhan-03 yea, a streamer actually manipulated a hate bot into giving him donations lol
@@handsomejack2201 Of course, we find weebs trying to downplay any drama that isn't the West
@KamEvvy yeah cus they can't read Chinese
"My culture is being replaced by misrepresentation"
The entire Fate franchise: *exist*
Nono king Arthur was actually female. Trust
I'm excited to see the upcoming drama on Twitter when the fate collab with hsr happens. Since if they think hoyo does a poor job ohoho they haven't seen fate
Does hazbin hotel and helluva boss count?
dont forget that when you search or Shimakaze it give you a Kantai Collection Character and not the actual ship lol
How many claiming that are from the cultures involved? Skin color doesn't make one part of a culture, although many in the usa seem to think so.
I think I lost braincells after learning how backwards some of these people are. As a POC, I know for a fact that these people do not care and they will continue to not care about how we feel about their actions and that's just how some things are. You're allowed to be upset about it but sometimes you have to realize that you're barking up the wrong tree.
Pretty much. I'm from the Philippines and I 100% understand we will get no video game rep unless we do it ourselves.
@@Pulstar232 there are a bunch of SEA representation in the latest FFXIV expansion! It’s pretty cool.
as a laotian i dont really care if my people get represented and could care less if they dont. i just find this whole clown show funny
@Pulstar232 so true as an African we just need to make our own
Legit in the attempt to "stop racism" in the game, they end up looking racist themselves. Genshin actually does a whole lot to make reference to various aspects of different cultures; Sumeru is RICH with that, but basically it means nothing to them if characters don't have the skin colour they want. So they're essentially saying "your culture and ethnicity doesn't matter if you don't have the skin I imagine you'd have". And a lot of times, the people complaining are white people who don't actually know anything about the culture, just stereotypes about it. Dori is the best and most hilarious example of this; people call her a racist/orientalist character towards Arabic people, literally because they remind her of Aladdin. When in reality, Dori is Ottoman Turkish based. Everything about her points to that and her design is actually super fascinating and rich in references to that period of history (plus while she is 1001 nights inspired, it's from the Djinn and Merchant story, not Aladdin). It basically shows that people's extent of knowledge about ME culture was just Aladdin, and they ignorantly misculture a character because of it.
Genshin CS responded appropriately. It is game - a work of fiction. It should not be taken as a real world scenario. In fact, Genshin, in my opinion is the most inclusive game that I played since they try to reference cultures from all over the world into the game but making it as a new world inside the game. Just look at the character names and how they try to incorporate names from different nationalities. Bennett, Nahida, Kokomi, Neuvilette, Mavuika, Arlecchino, Ningguang, Sethos, etc. Try to compare it to WuWa where most characters and future characters have Chinese names. Bottomline, it's just a game. Worry about something else. The world has enough problems as it is.
To all the boycotters, just stop playing the game. It's that simple.
I agree with what you said but why are you involving Wuwa in this..
The game is literally at version 1.1. Don't involve Kuro in this racism bullshit
dont need inclusion, need a good game
i'm not white i dont feel bad when my face or skin color isnt in games and people that do are weird and have no personalities
@@hentaro7845
I mean, it is pretty China centric. What GI/Hoyo did right is by having Mond first similarly with HSR. Imagine starting in Liyue and the Xianzhou Luofu.
WuWa with all it's fixes still sucks
truee dude natlan its inspired in precolombine latin america LITERALLY BEFORE IT WAS DISCOVERD FOR THE EAST THATS CENTURIES AGO and white people make it a war playing the heroes when we latin americans couldnt care less, we are even making fun about this meaningless war in the comunity abot white people saying they are not white enough, what is their source to say that we are not all blac we are tanned we are white too and most of us DIDNT ASK TO BE DEFENDED ITS A FANTASY GAME
This is such a 1st world issue
truly you have to be so comfortable and free in your life to worry about such miniscule things
more of a Western issue, since most Asians don't give a single shit about this cultural appropriation nonsense
@@Senseisbinahexactly
As someone who live in 3rd world country, I agree 😂
@@SenseisbinahAnd as Mujin said, a big percentage of boycotters are most likely teenagers 😂
So they probably don't have a job and no bills to pay so they can just lounge around Twitter all day looking for the next drama they can claim to support and forget in like what? 2 weeks? 😂
The sales of the Nahida banner proves that Genshin Impact players are hypocrites and don’t really believe in what they’re saying about racism and will still spend money on the game, so this conversation is pointless in my opinion 🤷♂️
And it’s a game for gods sake, play it if you like don’t if your offended or something 🤦♂️
I agree with you this whole boycott is just stupid
It just proves that the ones screaming are insignificant minority.
Unfortunately we are living in a world where people can't understand taking aspects of culture and just changing them. God forbid if these people played sonic adventure 2 where the pyramids was a secret launch site
You forgot that people pull for power. Nahida could have been the ugliest character and people would still pull for her because archons are meant to OP.
I don't know if someone mentioned it on teh comments, but there is an extra layer in this controversy. Asian people don't seem anime characters as white, but as Asian. And Asian players prefer to buy this kind of characters than dark skinned ones.
Some actually prefer the tanned charcaters but still generally pale color is preferable which explains the popularity of white hair girls
I'm not trying to accuse anyone, but that mindset seems to be rather common. Perhaps it's because some authors/artists can't exactly go to a specific country to get an accurate depiction of a character's origin? Like yeah, there are some authors that do it, but everyone has limits for their own budgets I guess.
And I admit, as a writer myself, I sometimes project my culture's lifestyle to a lot of my characters. I've been trying to break it though 😅
I think one example of Asian people seeing anime characters as specifically Asian is Bersek's author. I don't remember much personally, but I remember that even though Guts is apparently supposed to be European, Norse, i don't recall the rest, the thing that confused me the most was that the author said he still considers Guts to be Japanese.
Tan still popular af in gacha game world tho, but yea actual black maybe pretty rare.
@@invertbrid Tbh Asian gamers like tan but not black
Yeah that's so weird when fair skinned characters get called white.....like no bub you're just watching the eng dub
Noticed how nobody from the English VAs who spoke out on twitter has said anything since? They were probably told to shut up by their agency and/or dubbing studio because it's a bad look and unprofessional. I mean what if mihoyo drops the entire English voice dub or studio and replaces them like Snowbreak? Not only will the VAs lose their big time gig but all who works in the shadows such as the translators and audio engineers would also lose their gig and mihoyo is a gigantic client that anybody would like to keep working with.
Skin color of fictional video game characters is such a weird hill to die on. Imagine kicking up a fuss over an in game character not being black enough for you and dissing your employer directly on social media. It's so stupid
As someone from South Asia, I’m happy and glad that they used cultures and traditions from our regions, but why leave the people out of it? It’s like taking our history and leaving out the feelings of people. I don’t play genshin that much but during sumeru I did play seriously for awhile. In Asia it is considered that “white” is pretty so to finally see a dark skinned character be so “hot” *dehya* it was really encouraging, idk why people say dark skinned characters aren’t hot, I mean I’ll smash both dehya and cyno-
As someone from South Asia as well, I agree with everything U said, xinlen (I don't remember her name, is that it???) would look amazing with darker skin but.. tbh.. at the end of the day, its a game from a chinese company, they will also keep their culture (light skin = pretty) in their games. Erasing culture is bad tho, imagine U search up a god & see a game/anime character instead??
Ehh because it's fiction and they want to design unrealistically beautiful characters so people will spend money and roll for them. Japanese people don't look like Ayaka or Raiden either but you don't see them complaining. Only when it comes to skin color specifically is it seen as legitimate because westerners are so obsessed with race.
@@pdpgb exactly! Like we have 6 Inazuma chars whose families lived there for centuries and there were no foreign ancestors we know about. AND THEY ALL R BLOND
Guess light hair is an Inazumian trait? Lmao
Local "chinese" characters don't look like real chinese people too
But somehow we care when its about Natlan and their skin??
@@dianal9719 And Ayaka's hair is light blue/white. Doesn't matter if it's realistic, it just matters that it's beautiful. Because this is fiction.
@@pdpgb yes, totally agree
My only problem with the Sumeru characters is that half of them are desert dwellers, yet they look like they’ve never been outside once.
Like, does Hoyo expect me to believe these people didn’t develop some level of a tan or sun burn? Come on, it isn’t hard to design characters with a different skin color. They’re still going to be incredible and lovely.
Exactly! Melanin helps protect us against the sun’s UV rays. The more time you spend outside, the more melanin you produce. There’s no way these characters can live their whole lives in a desert region without getting a tan. Or they’d be completely covered from head to toe in clothes to avoid sunburns lol
@@auklett Yeah, like the Gerudo Tribe and Ganondorf in Legend of Zelda. They live in the desert, so obviously they’d have a darker skin color. And I’ve never heard anything negative being said about the Gerudo, or at least not on the same scale as Genshin’s controversy.
The only Sumeru character I actually defend being pale is Nahida since she’s literally been locked up for her entire life and rarely goes outside. Of course she wouldn’t look tan. She needs vitamin D!
that would be the case if its set on earth with our sun's level of uv rays. but its not
@@razrafz True. Actually, if you think about it, Hoyo could probably fix this problem easily if they used the “fictional world” to their advantage to talk about the Sun. Maybe they’re waiting to talk about it in Natlan since the Sun is often associated with Fire?
If they could do this, they’d probably have something to hide behind other than saying “Genshin is fictional” and leave it at that.
Genuine question, but isn't it only cyno, dehya, Candace and sethos from the desert in the sumeru cast? Rest everyone was from the rainforest, right? Although, I would have liked them to be a bit more darker, i thought the mihoyo was very consistent in skin tones in game. Like all tan people, playable and unplayable in sumeru, had some link to the desert and pale skin characters to the rainforest.
In all honesty, teyvat's geography doesn't make any sense to me with how everyone's skin tones being exactly the same across the board. Next thing we know they'll be telling us that teyvat doesn't even have a real sun.
Whoever is collecting the money of those signatures is scamming everyone, these people better ask for a refund 💀
As someone from South America I just find this funny, I remember seeing a comment when the neuvillette thing happened that was something like "thanks but this doesn't save from colorism", wdym thanks weren't you boycotting them!?? Like dudee 😂
The boycotters do not actually care about hoyoverse doing things right or not, once Natlan is out, they won't stop playing, they will forget about it and they will whale and get their Mavuika c6 or Ororon c6. The official content creators will still play the game and making content about it, the VA's will still work in the company and getting paid for it, they're not actually risking their jobs over this bs. This is a shit show.
It's gonna be Sumeru all over again where after the release loads of fanart content will come where all those characters are "on their right skintone"
@@shkiijiAh yes, 'blackwashing good, whitewashing bad' mindset.
As if the original characters are already that bright.
Tbh they probably can't even whale since people who have too much time on twitter aren't usually the earning type.
@@CrystalWings12These people are trying not to be racist but they end up looking even more racist😂😂
I WAS ALMOST SPIT MY DRINK AFTER READING THIS SENTENCE🤣🤣🤣: Thanks but that wasn't save for. colorism.
For real tho they were a terrible Hypocritical people who was addicted and never touching grass a while 😂
this is a wild situation to begin with, like it wouldn't hurt to add/redesign some other characters they are gonna be releasing in natlan but considering most of genshins player base doesn't seem bothered by it hoyo doesn't see it fit to do so
It wouldn't hurt but there's no reason to. People are complaining about original characters being original.
I can't speak for Natlan but I am an Indian so I can speak for Sumeru a bit. No one here gives a hell about what skin colour the characters are And I am yet to see Arabs get angry that there is not a dark character thats represent them. Do you know why? Bc our culture surpasses skin colour but your brain has not. Our culture can be represented perfectly without the need to fit in darker characters.
You all sound like a joke here where we, who the culture belong to don't get angry but you do in our behalf on topics we don't care about.
Also, if Mihoyo bends their knee and do make the character darker, they can kiss goodbye to their asian market. I can promise Asia offers far more than America and Eroupe combined do.
Preached brother! Those bunch of westerners always think its all about them
@KnightGunny is it really forcing an ideology for wanting more diversity in playable characters for a region based game? Neither you or OP can speak for everyone on this.
Baldur's Gate 3 is successful af regardless showing that diversity isn't what makes a game unpopular or bad. What makes a game unpopular or bad is the fact that it's shit.
I'm part of the arab community and let me tell you back in the sumeru contreversy days people in the genshin arab community were making fun of the americans who were complaining about skin color we really had our fun with that
@KnightGunny you don't speak for me as a southeast asian. you don't speak for ANYONE.
Presch brotha, fellow indian here
, i liked sumeru, i don't give a damn abt a representation ,character's Skin-color or some other shit in a fictional game as long as i get to enjoy it.
99% of Genshin players don't even hang out on social media. If people want to complain be my guest, but these boycotts will never work, just give it up already.
Also for reference, Genshin still gets about 60-65 million monthly players according to Activeplayer. 100k signatures is a drop in the ocean in comparison.
Like they would listen to reason with that kind of bs they came up in the first place.
And oh well, another case of the loud minority being too loud I guess.
I can confirm that as a Genshin player.
Also, most of those “boycotters” are just woke tourists
@@johannesmarcus05finnally someone said it 😢
Pretty much, and on top of that many dark skinned players have come out and said that they don’t really mind/care.
100K people signed a petition? Congrats. You need about 64,900,000 more signatures and Mihoyo *MIGHT* give shit about it. 😂🤣
That later number just mean its end of service 😂
Why they should give a shit about 🤡's in the first place?
They need at least 25-30% of Chinese players to join their hypocrisy and shake the Hoyoverse, but how many Chinese do care about this shit lmfao.
They might not even be players who plays the game in the first place or multiple accounts made by 1 person, if that is taken to account
@@jackinuzuki2890 if I'm correct that number is last month player so it should at least filter out those not playing
For the multiple accounts. That's kind of the minority just shave that nunber 10% if you're being generous go to around 30% and it still alot of people to convince
People identifying with their own skin color and whining they don't get represented or misrepresented in media never cease to annoy me. My race never gets represented anywhere and I don't really care either way. Isn't the character more important to identify with and not their mere skin color?
I'm with Hoyoverse on this; it's a work of fiction. There's no hard rule any region in Teyvat has to strictly follow their real world inspiration. People need to distance themselves from shallow parallels and just look at whether the characters have substance or something of value to relate to.
Skin colors are just cosmetics, enjoyable to look and appreciate their uniqueness, but nothing to take too seriously and over-identify with.
People forget skin tone is a regional thing not cultural. Like they represented India really well with music, names, using Sanskrit and Hindi, using the lore of our gods. It was awesome and none of my friends too complained about skin tone (we all are dark skinned btw). Only these Americans are pissed for some reason lol
@@nityaagarwal2408 ikr? If your country is big enough your nationality has half the spectrum on rgb scale. Those people really hate the idea of skin color being anything other than a side effect of how much sun hit your ancestors
@@kurodo9926 They're just Racist😂
Here’s what would happen if Hoyo DID change the skin tones:
1. The community would still find something to complain about because when will they ever stop?
2. China and Japan would boycott because they don’t want darker complexions, and at THAT point it’s game over for Genshin Impact.
So trust me, this boycott is going nowhere. Those boycotters are hypocrites who’ll forget everything they said the day Natlan comes out.
They also spends the least which means they're not the primary costumers. Just a bunch of leeches
So racism wins. Got it
Ah, I used to be like that during Sumeru, I ended up forgiving Hoyoverse tight after Scaramouche and Cyno got released Lmao
Asian fans are complaining too so no they would not boycott
just make the dark complexion character a high tier/meta character
asian fans will complain less if it's someone with a kit they want
Wait, about Ororon, didn't the archons also have demon names, even Paimon? So is no one demanding them to correct that? One more thing, not everyone playing Genshin has twitter and some see Genshin twitter as the toxic part of the community. No wonder they're not taken too seriously. I hope they have the same energy to help the real POC and not just the pixelated ones.
Yeah , Paimon is a demon from Ars Goetia , which I doubt these people know .
Me when I can no longer search up the luminiferous aether without genshin popping up as a search term
@@Koyuki_YukihimeSo Paimon ist evil ???
@@Koyuki_Yukihime Thats what Ive been saying technically all of the archons in the game has demon names Baal,Morax,Barbatos and more
@@Koyuki_YukihimeI thought that's completely common knowledge
As someone who lives in a country where there are many diversity, skin color, culture, religion, etc. I couldn't relate to why Western people are so sensitive about skin color and I never understood how skin color is considered as a culture, isn't culture something that can be shared with others? But Still, I want to have a character to have more black skin. Well, I've already given up as they never listen for the game rewards, so I can't imagine they would listen to this thing.
youre probably lucky youve never been racially profiled and hate crimed for it then. if you cant relate to how trauma has shaped peoples experiences then youre lucky
it's not just western ppl tho, also the game is representing ancient latin and african cultures from back when the skin diversity was just dark skinned there were no white ppl till the europeans came to the land. I too live in a semi devirse country (i'm from latin america) but my country is diverse only because of several historical events. If hoyo wants to represent ancient latin/african cultures in their games they should start by representing the people correctly too. I hope this helps you understand
@@ghosttea3802Hoyo didn't represent any cultures, they just get inspiration by actual culture. If you actually care about culture you should boycott genshin since version 1.0, I mean
- Liyue is inspired by china but they have natural colorful hair? This does not make sense right? Why does no one say "it's not represent Chinese people?"
Yes genshin world building is inspired by many actual culture but if we talk the playable characters? No, every playable characters does not take the actual peron in the world, instead they always use anime style
Genshins primary and sole purpose is to generate revenue. It's been shown in the past that lighter skinned characters sell well to their primary source of revenue (china) so why would they waste time and resources on making characters that appeal to the minority and won't make as much revenue? Not saying I agree with this at all. Trust me I'd love some hot dark skinned characters but it's not profitable to make them so they won't. Sadly just how it is
@@ghosttea3802 but here the thing and it's a common criticism with your argument you are making the skin colour=culture argument. That's not how culture works culture is a belief, a way of life yes it represented more by your darker colours but it's not your right to say who can and can't represent culture. Would it be better and nice change if they did? Sure but not alot of people will care cause we don't care we just care about you knowing culture around the world and good characters. You need to realise this is a fictional game, a fictional universe where they can take whatever they want and do whatever they like. What if they didn't do this and replaced them with idk a kangaroos and moose people? Will you lot be saying the same situation as we are now or will you lot layoff? If this was based on our world then sure your argument would hold some claim. Like the video showed Fontaine was meant to be french and UK culture but as a fellow Englishman my culture wasn't very represented very well and had little of our culture apart from a few food items. Idc but if you are gonna make these claims then where was you lot making a big deal about our representation? It's called double standard. You can't even say this stuff but then say it's different when it comes to you and you lot deserve exceptional treatment when you didn't argue for others. See the problem with these type of arguments now? You argue for culture but only when it's yours and no one else's. And I didn't say anything cause again idc I go into a game to just enjoy it not find something to complain about something that won't even be an issue when the nation releases because we are all enjoying the content
I'm black and to be honest, I think the designs are super cool, not everything needs to be super realistic or based on reality.
but but...... my feelings :(
You speak facts my friend. The reason why I even play this game is because the characters look nothing like real human beings. I'd be playing Cyberpunk or some other game with realistic graphics otherwise.
I don't play Genshin and I don't really care but in my opinion dark skintones would've been more appropriate. Not saying that your opinion isn't valid btw just sharing :p
China isnt very fond of having black characters shown in most promotional material. If you look at posters for movies from Marvel and star wars, they hide black characters in the back or remove them completely. This has also been done in many other movies with dark-skinned characters. They rather show more fair-skinned characters to promote it to the people of china, japan, and korea.
As an African male, id love to see Genshin actually add more character that have my skin tone, but they just dont like characters like that.
It's actually a shame, and as a Chinese person I can say that these beauty standards suck. They hinder the creative and diverse potential of character design in video games by applying real life standards to them. Not to mention that it fosters really unhealthy mindsets amongst actual people- East Asian people aren't paper white, yet they're under the impression that that's the only standard of "beauty", and a lot of physical & mental health risks come along with these societal pressures. But honestly, at this point you can't really expect the company to change their mind anymore, as long as they get income they won't listen all that much.
Probably because they're a company that needs too much money.
So, what do you expect? They'll change for the better to add more diversity? Of course not.
As much as I would definitely love more darker skinned characters, I know as HECK that they won't.
So they should simply avoid adding anything even remotely associated with our cultures! Don’t add the names of our gods, or our music end of story. Problem solved.
Probably marketing strategy too. In the end they have to pander to their biggest money income: CN player.
They can, but they need to consider because in the wnd they're company looking for profit.
Honestly I think people should pander to CN player instead of Hoyo if they want brown or dark skin character. They hold biggest decision after all.
TLDR: Sign all the petitions you want. If the chinese community doesnt care, Mihoyo doesnt care. It's simply about money.
Even if the CN community does care, miHoYo wouldn't care unless we report them to the government or sue them. You'd be surprised by how much controversy miHoYo gets into in the CN community, and very rarely does miHoYo actually listens to us.
Suspect petition is inflated with bots + fake signatures. Saw someone use a fake on the spot made up email and it still went through. Also there are multiple posts and comments online of people admitting that they didnt even play the game but signed it to be keyboard warrior or that their teen friends asked them to sign. So yeah, I don't really see the 100k+ signatures as meaning anything. If it upsets them that much, just uninstall the game and stop playing. That is what boycott means. They need a dictionary.
In discord servers im in atleast while they feel like they are many many many of them, when you actually focus its more like only 8 who are chronically online and just spam the posts over and over. Loud minority fr.
Considering how lunatic they are, they're definitely making multiple addresses or account to boost the numbers. That's guaranteed. Typical western "we're the good guys" woke tactic
I am from south américa and i dont care about the characters skin color im just happy that my culture is recognised
honestly, aside from character skin colour, genshin did a good job displaying other cultures through music, architecture. etc
True, also Capoiera is really cool
and wouldn't you argue that the whole skin color fiasco is a smart way to introduced people to research more on things they wouldnt have researched?
I wonder what mythical animals from your culture they will incorporate into this nation. I mean, they used yōkai in Inazuma, jinn in Sumeru, and melusines in Fontaine, so that leaves some speculation for Natlan.
They did do a good job apart from all that controversy :( I’d say recognized but not represented
as a black girlie i’m a little bit upset, i wasn’t really expecting much from them tho. there’s really no point bcuz they aren’t going to change. there’s no point in boycotting if you’re still going to play the game, but it is a little bit messed up. 🤷♀️
edit: why are we arguing all i said was i wish they added darker skin characters what this was not supposed to be a fight 😔
Would you still play it
@@Jokuthesaiyangod i’m still playing yes because there’s not really a point 👍
There's really no point in anybody from the US making a fuss because most overseas think US are dumb.
@@D4Skewer moreso I'd say that they get super upset and vitriolic about things that don't matter (as much) abroad ... with products from abroad
Same, i was so dumb, i ACTUALLY thought that there would be a tall black girl with long box braids in Natlan 😔
As an asian person I would like to say that Asians do not hate black or dark skinned people, It's just that asian beauty standards vastly prefer light skin.
One of the main reasons for this is because In Asia, having darker skin usually implies that you are of the lower class and work in the field or other labor intensive jobs while lighter skin usually means that you are rich and get to stay inside.
Unfortunately, this thought pattern (which seems to have started in ancient China) is flawed since humans have various skin tones and can't all be light skinned. In fact this seems to be the opposite within the western world as the rich would try to get tanned as a status symbol of being able to afford expensive machines or vacations.
Anyways, this has led to skin whitening products becoming popular all throughout Asia, especially within southeast asia since southeast asians naturally have darker skin tones.
One not so funny story I heard from a blasian classmate is that her chinese aunt tried to give her skin whitening cream due to asian beauty standards.
But yeah whenever something like this happens in asia, It's usually just blissful ignorance instead of actual racism, something that is becoming increasingly common in the west.
EDIT: Jesus the comment section is becoming a shitshow. the purpose of this comment is to just provide a possible explaination to why dark skinned characters are quite rare in genshin. I am personally am not fond of the "colorist" aspects of asian culture, I'd even argue that asians are pretty racist in certain aspects.
Yeah but they still hate people with dark skin you can't take African cultures and not have African people in the game it's very weird and speaks volumes this world loves black culture but hate the people
If genshin was more open to pov then they would make twice as much as they do now but because only Asians play the game I understand why they stick to the Asian and white audience but don't use other pov cultures then
So it's the fanbase who is being toxic
So it’s not racism, just hating someone for a preconceived notion about their skin color?
@@OnceMoreWithLove777not even hating lmao
@@evernightdream676 you’re right, my bad. Perceiving someone as “less than” or unworthy because of a preconceived notion about their skin color
The USA (and most of the West) didn't even make it in the top 10 list for Genshin's revenue. A mosquito would make more noise to Mihoyo.
The only possibly relevant thing are the voice actors since a lot of countries play the game in English. I wonder if any of them are actually quitting or just virtue signaling. I guess Hoyo can ignore them if they're still willing to do the job. You don't necessarily have to fire them even if they're hurting your image. Ideally they should just make them sign a non disparagement clause when they take the job.
help? usa is 15% of recent gi revenue and 16% overall (over 500m$) then theres germany, canada, uk, france, australia with ~1% so its probably about 20-25% combined. its not a lot but percentage wise but over 500 million $ is insane
@@pdpgb A lot but most still use Japanese and Chinese dubs. Or at least the relevant ones who actually do pay mHY. Since the game is bigger in Japan and China than it is in the US.
@@artyur2268 do u think every player from those countries will support the boycott? and if 20-25% is a huge number look at their asian audience who most likely will not pull/spend money on dark skinned char.
For 2 reasons:
1) they don't like dark skin
2) they will spit hoyo in the face if hoyo will change something for western audience like that
They r tired of West dictating how everything should be and they will not tolerate it in such games
If we have americans who r against something like sweet baby inc how do u think asians will react?
It will be a big scandal, real one this time
@@pdpgbi'm pretty sure some voice actors are on hold bc there's a strike going on the USA with the SAG-AFTRA bc they want protection to stop their voices from being used for AI training and all that. And since the company that makes the EN dub for genshin is under the SAG-AFTRA then they are currently on pause until they get a response.
So no, the voice actors are not stopping working bc of the boycott lmao. In any case, depending on how many of them can't participate, hoyo will probably just release events and the like with some characters being un-voiced if its just a few of them or maybe just don't release any EN dub for now if its a lot of them.
For the people who use the EN dub, well unless they want it to feel like an un-voiced WQs then they better switch to the other dubs. Tho I doubt the next few updates will suffer a lot since its a new region with a new cast and they probably recorded most of the lines already
3 weeks late but I come here to say one thing and one thing about this drama. Fuck everyone involved on the "better representation" side since I was on the receiving end of this back in Sumeru (middle eastern here). I fucking love the designs and I was so happy with the character. The one I was most excited about was Al haitham because he is based on a real life scholar. But then I log on twitter to see people miss representing my culture and speaking out of their ass saying the skin color isn't correct. I. DO. NOT. CARE. what I care about is a good representation of a character not it's skin color, again back to Al haitham, Ibn al-Haytham is the father of cameras which was represented in Al haitham kit by giving him lenses. That's some fine attention to details about a character based on a real person. I couldn't give two shit about his skin color, they could have made him ash and as long as they payed respect to his line of work and what he did and represent. I will still get the character. People who care about skin colors see the world in black and white filter with nothing between. So again. Fuck everyone for thinking they know better while they themselves have white skin and don't live in those countries
Americans are obsessed with skin color
Im just so tired of getting the same character models in general. Its like getting cupcakes with different frosting but the only real difference in the food coloring the put in the frosting. Like why so many loli characters but no old people characters... Even diversity when it come to weight, muscle, personality, skin tone etc.
Honestly they put that diversity in skin tone and body types went to ZZZ and HSR. The reason for that was that, when Mihoyo, started Genshin, they didn't know how to mold different body types until Sumeru came. So now, they shouldn't stay in the same mold in Genshin if they can already implement diversity in their other games.
they have a few models and they use that all the time. look at wuwa for example, every character's model is unique
@@sakiamira lmao no they knew how to. It isn't complicated, the more logical reason is just that they wanted to make it simple. With just a few select body types it makes it very easy to make characters fast like a printing press
Yeah tbh I would like to see the natlan or sumeru characters have some more variety in skin tones not even in a “hoyo is racist fix it” way I just think some of the color pallets would look a little better in general
Because old people wouldn't become a printing money
I understand why people are upset, it would be nice to see characters that look like you in games and media you support that aren't built off of a stereotype. But like you said this is about money and unfortunately we're on the losing end a lot of the time when going up against that all mighty dollar.
"WE WILL BOYCOTT GENSHIN IMPACT AND HOYOVERSE FOR BEING RACIST!1!1!1!"
Literally the next day when the Natlan update arrives:
*"Natlan characters banner who to pull? Here's the Natlan's character tier list made by me and also here's the next upcoming banner"*
These aren't the same people brother
Why r u making imaginary up ppl. If theyre boycotting it, they're not playing.
@@lolzu "if they're boycotting, they're not playing"
Uh huh? Like they're not going to get back to the game when the new patch comes out for the rewards yea? 😂
@@davidm4171 nope this game is ass
I mean what exactly did you expect....? They couldnt do anything about it in the end, no changes were made so they were defeated. of course they'll pull for the characters even if they are lighter than they should be.
As someone from Latinamerica, I don't care about this, and by "this" I mean I don''t care that the characters are not "dark enough". There are people of different colors in Latinamerica, not only black. If anything I am very happy they got inspired by my culture. It is just that, an inspiration, not a representation.
edited to add context
The biggest controversy was them "fixing" neuvillette
Everyone forgot as soon as they got a free ten pull
@@sakiamira but it did make hoyo do something.. not this pathetic "boycott".. everyone is sick and tired of AMERICANS calling everything racist.. yes.. AMERICANS.. because nobody else outside of America does this stupid take of you're only representing something if you have the same skin color.. a white as milk Irish born and raised in the Philippines is way more Filipino than the brown skinned half Filipino born and raised in the USA.. how's that as representation.?
@@sakiamirabut they reverted it..??
@@NikocadosPopeyesChickenSandwic yeah they did.
not before apologizing.
teehee.
@@NikocadosPopeyesChickenSandwic yeah they reverted it and it took 10 free pulls to make the people forget about it
which is a very valid revert imo, because its been almost 6 months since neuv release and only just now they "fix" it, neuv also had a rerun too before this fix
I’ve spent close to 1K USD when I used to play the game two years ago and still deleted it a while back. Sunk cost fallacy is stupid, your money is already gone. Keeping the game downloaded will do nothing for the boycott, these people need to face the hard truth.
Sunk cost fallacy isn’t a fallacy when you could still be enjoying your spent $1000, but you are actively choosing not to. 🤷🏻♀️
They want more black skin characters for "representation"
I want more black skin characters because i like dark skin mommies
We are not the same
Fr why are dehya and cyno so mid fighting wise god the day Genshin finally makes a hot dark character who is actually op will be the day I finally spend. (Probably never happening tho lmao)
The thing is too, most of the Natlan roster so far have Aztec names, so technically they'd have hispanic skin tones
Right, and then when they release those characters, those people won't pull for them lol. The numbers speak for themselves.
@@Pixel._.Faerieelike you said "most" did you not watch the video where they complain about the character sharing the name of a Yoruba god? (Black African)
@@akinyx5407 Thats just one character. Its sad that all we care about is their skin colour, like seriously. No focus whatsoever on making sure they properly showcased the culture of the people.
The funniest thing about this "controversy" is that Americans are seemingly the only playerbase that actually care about this stuff. When it comes to representation ill admit that Genshin isnt the best, but they do try. Their depiction of Chinese, Japanese, French, and Middle Eastern Cultures feels genuine to me, and as someone from the regions i feel really happy that my culture is being represented in a game. Its not just about skin color, its about way more than that. Its about language, architecture, food, and so much more. Obviously this is a game so i dont expect them to be 1-to-1 representations of the real world, but its pretty close.
I feel like americans spend too much time worrying about skin color and not enough time actually caring about true representation. My pet peeve with Mihoyo is that while Liyue does its best to represent China, it only represents Northern Chinese culture and leaves out Southern and West China. China is a vast and diverse region, itll be nice for them to accurately represent the whole country and not just the northern parts.
The obsession with skin color is crazy
There's a fine line between criticizing what you love in hopes of change, and having to step back from something and accept that this product is not for you.
In this case, the boycotter's need to step back and accept that this game is never going to be what they truly want it to be. And that sucks. I understand. It sucks to have to come to terms with the fact that a game is very close to what they want it to be, but still is not quite there.
Their acceptance phase will come eventually.
this is well said
It's so weird too since there were no black characters when they started playing but now they're demanding they be added. So what even made them play it to begin with?
it is also sad if the acceptance phase never come
ur right f it. ima just quit thank you commenter for help me decide that
@@pdpgb being black was never an issue until they started taking our culture and basically saying the people of that culture aren’t pretty enough to be in the game
I bet we'll see another month with record profits after this "boycott".
Btw where was the "respect other cultures" controversy when Hades made their Greek gods Black?
This needs to be shouted from the high heavens, seriously. That one is even more blatantly taken from greek myth, unlike Hoyo which is mostly just borrowing names, concepts, design, etc, and making a mix mash of everything.
Hades hate, anyone? No? Okay.
I don't understand why Genshin Impact is the only game being called out. If you are going to call them out, do the same with all the other games guilty of the same thing. Otherwise, it just seems like you are trying to cancel Genshin Impact just because it is popular, so your cause has little to no meaning nor effect.
Look at all these VAs calling Hoyo out but still taking Hoyo money.
especially Alejandro Saab, that voice acts both Cyno and Jing Yuan, still taking 2 checks from Hoyo
@@raul3363 3 along with his ZZZ role...
West is a hemisphere of hypocrites.
For virtue signaling points ofcourse.
@@asdfasdf11835 He's Latino lmao, it does actually involve him. He didn't speak on his own culture tho cuz he didn't care about the South American Representation issues after all he himself is a very light skinned Latino. His issue was with Olorun specifically, as Ororun is based on a known black deity. Of course I remain of the opinion that culture transcends skin color myself, you could have made half of Fontaine black and I wouldn't have been offended as a French person cuz skin color simply doesn't make a culture. A culture is made by it's history and the various events in went through, not something as petty as the amount of melanin it's people have in my opinion.
Let's put it into perspective. 100k out of 60+Mil is 1/600+.
Let's say you have a restaurant that serves 600+ usual customers and then 1 person comes in, asks only for water and starts complaining that you don't make the food the way they wants you too make it or else bad review on Facebook. That's what this "boycott" is, a joke.
Even worse, that one customer still sits down and make an order anyway 😆
I want people to know a few things-
1. you can use more than 1 email for the petitions. It started to go quite after 100k hit. After 50k it was being slow and after 100k it just SILENCES.
2. People boycotting are doing it WRONG. They think they can play the games without giving them money By going “f2p” which is wrong. You give them money by playing AND interacting with their post REGARDLESS it negative or positive.
3. We aren’t their focus audience.
4. This is a fantasy game.
5. Hoyo did what all creators/artist do. They use references/examples of all types to create THEIR OWN thing. So in this case Natlans culture ISNT any of the references they used. Natlan culture is natlan.
6. Just cuz they named characters the same as things in real life, doesn’t mean they have to be a copy and paste of that reference/example they use. Example: a person their their OC “Jesus” does that mean their oc has to look like Jesus? No.
Keep in mind these few things people. BTW IM NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDNT ADD MORE DIVERSITY!!! But “CHANGING” the characters they made already as if they were wrong in the first place? Is absolutely racist. 6 different characters are variations of tan out of the 9 characters introduced. The reason the introduction looked different from splash art for the first 3 are ✨OMG LIGHTING✨ woOoW.
Id rather sign a petition to encourage diversity in Genshin vs CHANGE them because I like the characters that came out because their beautiful and did nothing wrong to deserve such hatred and such racist jerks washing them as if them being the color they are is wrong.
I also have 2,445 blocks on twitter 💀because of this garbage lol
I’m not sorry but this video you made is just funny and I love it 😭✨
Sorry to burst your bubble but MiHoYo is NOT listening. Western players are an overwhelming minority. Chinese and east Asian players by far make up the largest part of Genshin players.
Chinese beauty standards heavily lean into "white people = beautiful" and China itself is a very homogonous country, to put that into perspective 97% of China are Han Chinese and Han Chinese are the largest ethnic group in the world, so concepts such as "diversity" are foreign to them and many Chinese see such concepts as "western" and thus such concepts are generally met with hostility by the Chinese. Especially when coupled with the fact that the CCP restricts Chinese internet access.
So no, MiHoYo has little to no incentive to pander for western audiences like you and me, all you can really do is just play the game, it sucks, wah wah. At the end of the day, the sun is shining, the grass is blooming and there's still summer vacation and while it might sound stupid to just say "touch grass", if issues like this are bothering you, then i just advice you to have some fresh air. Enjoy your summer ☀
Sorry to burst your bubble but MiHoYo is NOT listening. Western players are an overwhelming minority. Chinese and east Asian players by far make up the largest part of Genshin players.
Chinese beauty standards heavily lean into "white people = beautiful" and China itself is a very homogonous country, to put that into perspective 97% of China are Han Chinese and Han Chinese are the largest ethnic group in the world, so concepts such as "diversity" are foreign to them and many Chinese see such concepts as "western" and thus such concepts are generally met with hostility by the Chinese. Especially when coupled with the fact that the CCP restricts Chinese internet access.
So no, MiHoYo has little to no incentive to pander for western audiences like you and me, all you can really do is just play the game, it sucks, wah wah. At the end of the day, the sun is shining, the grass is blooming and there's still summer vacation and while it might sound stupid to just say "touch grass", if issues like this are bothering you, then i just advice you to have some fresh air. Enjoy your summer ☀
(2nd reply because my comments keep getting deleted :/)
@@Eric0225 did you read what I said or just completely disregard it?
THE MOST BLACK CHARACTER IN GENSHIN IS LITERALLY A WHITE MAN 🗣️🔥
(Kaeya)
Iansan is darker than kaeya
DONT LEAVE OUT HOME GIRL XINYAN! IF THEY CAN CREATE HER THEY CAN MAKE MORE BLACK CHARACTERS! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🦅🦅🦅🦅
@@xXbr0k3n_1p4dXx they did, now shut it and leave
@@M-m585 she aint in the game yet dawg and either way she look mid asl 😭
He’s Indian
Why not pick reverse 1999? The culture is very visible in both voice and design and they have different skins too. Beautiful and incredible
Because it's not Genshin Impact... it's like saying to COD players "why not play Stellaris! There are lots of cultures there!!!"
Reverse 1999 is a completely different game than Genshin impact lol, just as how COD (a shooter) is a completely different game from Stellaris (a 4X strategy game)
I’m a 1999 player, but idk why ppl keep bringing up 1999 when come to this mhy issues, like 1999 have 4 dark skinned characters out of 40, I guess it’s bit better than genshin. while majority of characters still pales, so that’s enough for the wake westerners? idk why y’all keep wanting “ diversity” from those east asia amine games, y’all are not getting it and y’all not supposed to be those games consumers neither.
@@isobellam5557Dislyte is constantly brought up too.
Why do I feel people bring up 1999 and dislyte for this yet don’t play them?
@@user-yt5sc8pm6d Because it's not about playing it, maybe those games are just not for the Genshin audience which is fair since they're different. It's brought up because they're from chinese devs. In case people would use the "chinese people don't care about colorism" card
Also, there's people (like me) who don't even care about the skin colors of the characters, and just want to play the game how ever it is made
Honestly, people need to realize that hoyoverse isn’t a western company, where they will change their social media icons to rainbow for the image of being “inclusive.” They are an East Asian company, and more than 50% of their revenue base is in East Asia, namely China, Japan and Korea. Now a quick google search on beauty standards in these countries will tell you everything. Genshin is not a game where you can see your own skin color as representation for the common folk in your country, it never has been. Genshin is not trying to be an inclusive game, genshin is trying to be a profitable game, it always has been since launch.
That pretty much just sums up the whole thing. A lot of these people don't gain much from engaging in any controversies, the real winner is always the company. It is a shame that these beauty standards are stopping them from appealing to wider audiences, but can it really be considered a loss if they never cared about a "wider audience" or "inclusivity" in the first place? Theoretically if all the international servers were to stop having players, they'd still rack in consistently large income in Chinese (or at least East Asian) playerbases.
Bro has NOT seen a single of the East Asian game company other than hoyo
that's not an excuse, dislyte is also chinese and has diverse characters. At the very least, it makes the game less boring.
@@asweetlilpotato East Asian beauty standards don’t matter when you’re a global game and hoyo is the only one who hasn’t realized that, dislyte, reverse 1999, cookie run kingdom, pokemon, all are East Asian game companies that are filled with dark skins
@@RechargeKarwaDoBabu dislyte and reverse 1999 are both popular Chinese games and they have dark kin characters and Korean companies like devsisters and Japanese companies like gamefreak have black ppl in them
i have the huge feeling this youtube comment section is gonna be one hell of a stinker...
It already is
@@lolzu it took less than a min...
absolutely right
It's. I already found one "treasure..." Is the name. Woke af
@@roxas5071 take a look at my comment, its up there and oh good haven
As a guy from South America, I say:
From my point of view, I don't see any type of racism. Geshin seems to be inspired more than based on cultures, it's like they take a small visual base that resembles the culture, but the rest is just world building for the game.
And in my opinion, one should always take into account the cultural context and for whom this form of media is created. In the case of China, it's obvious that they will have more appreciation for white or pale skin color, not only because of the majority of the population, but for many other reasons as well.
I really think it would be cool to have more variation in skin colors! But I don't think it's a problem (Genshin), not having it.
nah Chinese people have darker skin tone majority. Pale skin is seen as rare and beautiful and rich.
How do you feel about the characters based after real-world African/Mesoamerican deities (Kinich, Olorun etc) being portrayed as white characters? I believe that's where a lot of the anger is coming from.
Still weird how all the enemy types have the darkest skintones and are based on irl indigenous tribes as well as every single dark playable character is weak or mid at best lmao.
I mostly agree, it just feels majorly disappointing and a let down
Honestly I’m okay with their choice… though they could tan the NPC’s but we don’t know that until we see the region….
My main concern is their overall design… honestly I don’t feel invested in pulling for any of them since their designs are not appealing… neither is their kit
It’s basically Fontaine Ark type being often forgotten but in my case is that EVERYTHING about them is just… eh