Thanks for posting this - we were car 189, our first ever event, sadly didn’t make it to the top of Simms but cleared all the other hills. Huge thanks to the marshals and all at MCC for putting on a great event. And of course thank you to all the spectators who braved the cold to watch - at least we had a heater in the car. 🥶
You’re welcome! We’ve been coming for years and absolutely love it. You are all a bit mad but keep up the good work and there’s always next time for Simms!
@@relentlessduckproductions8779 might have to do that. Out of curiosity, is any 2WD open diff car allowed (with the correct tyres)? As I said, haven’t watched it since it was on TV in the 80’s 😂
The regs are quite detailed on tyre choices, open diffs, etc. Take a look at the Motorcycling Club website for the full details it makes for fascinating reading
I have one and never got stuck in the mud. Almost all of those who got a hard time climbing was because the driver kept the wheel spinning after loosing grip.
@fishshipempoyee1273 My first car in '88 was a '72 1200, I also worked as a tractor driver in orchards, I took my Beetle in them orchards, and razzed around in the mud occasionally 😅, i never got stuck either. 6 yrs later I was living in a VW Bay panel van,parking on the top of a pebble bank at the beach ,the amount of cars that tried driving up and got stuck was hilarious, even 4x4 's ,always giving it too much welly and digging in 😂 .
@OcaroPineappl9033 black round things that go on wheels. It's how it's spelled in English. I believe Mercans got tired of spelling like that, so they spell it some other way. ;)
Fantastic! It's easy to see why the bugs were popular in Baja back in the day! Very capable with just a little modification. And the dune buggy restarting almost mid-hill and still making it, just gold.
@@relentlessduckproductions8779 I can understand no mud tires but a all-season tire would be OK wouldn't it? The tires on most of the cars are smoothies, no wonder they couldn't get up the hill. One clarification: If the differential is limited to being of the 'open' design, then you don't have 2wd. If the vehicle can be purchased w/ a limited-slip, why couldn't that car participate? It's OEM! Oh well, not important, enjoyed the video. The motorcycles ruled the hill, yea!!
Engine over the pulling tires always helps in conditions like these. My dad had an 85 Pontiac fiero, and it killed in snow and ice. That's why the bugs are doing so well here. Engines in the front with pulling tires in the rear doesnt do too well. But if the engine is over the driving tires its a win
Having the weight of the engine over the rear wheels helps with traction. Theres debates as for whether thin or wide tires are better but idk which is proven to be best. Could be theyre geared better too?
since its open diffs only is it allowed in the rules to yank up the hand brake to provide resistance to the free spinning wheel and possibly send some drive to the non spinning wheel when they are slowing to a stop?
classic example of 'the photo doesn't show how steep it is' - I'm a believer in that. The cars are sliding back down with all 4 wheels locked. If I were at the drawing board, I'd be trying to come up with a drivetrain that would detect slipping and respond with an instant reduction in wheel rpm, and I'd also try a suspension geometry that would move the whole wheel assembly forward (or backward?) or even laterally (probably inward for more weight) to see if that might help. Also, an instant reduction in air pressure in the tire might help. Needed would be a mechanism to return the pressure as soon as traction is regained. Could each wheel get a weight to accelerate up or down for traction.... I knew a guy back in the day who rigged cat litter feeds to each tire, big hopper in each fender and a cable pull system, for dealing with snow. We were skiers and nothing was going to stop us from reaching the ski hills when we wanted it. It absolutely worked, got us past all manner of other vehicles. Train engineers used to feed tiny amounts of sand to the rails just in front of engine wheels for grades on which overloaded trains couldn't get going because the drive wheels would just uselessly spin.
I’d love it if they had a sticker or graphic stating the tires being used. It seems to be a major factor as the bugs do well or fail like others I don’t think every case is driver error.
@@folgloretv hi there - it’s because the origin of the trial (early 20th century) predates 4x4 vehicles so to preserve the challenge the regulations do not permit. If 4x4 vehicles were allowed it would be easy! Thanks for asking
Back in the early 70's our family had a couple of these, we could put 7 people in that thing when we were all little kids. Mom and dad in the front seat my 3 bother's and sister in the back and me being the youngest and smallest I'd sit i that little compartment under the back window.
First time watching a video like this well apparently this is for a two-wheel drive most with limited slip don't really see much of a challenge for the motorcycles I'm guessing something four-wheel drive are that's had its engine modified are qualified for this considering I could probably get up this in my 02 Dodge Dakota four-wheel drive but the thrill of trying to get up it seems to be somewhat enticing it would probably be an event I would enjoy after a couple beers
Loved it. What a good crowd , and the marshals must have special insurance policies.... thanks for this. All the best Keith
Thanks for posting this - we were car 189, our first ever event, sadly didn’t make it to the top of Simms but cleared all the other hills. Huge thanks to the marshals and all at MCC for putting on a great event. And of course thank you to all the spectators who braved the cold to watch - at least we had a heater in the car. 🥶
You’re welcome! We’ve been coming for years and absolutely love it. You are all a bit mad but keep up the good work and there’s always next time for Simms!
Brilliant video! Haven’t watched these hillclimbs for years 👍
Nothing like seeing it for real, get yourself down there for next year!
@@relentlessduckproductions8779 might have to do that. Out of curiosity, is any 2WD open diff car allowed (with the correct tyres)?
As I said, haven’t watched it since it was on TV in the 80’s 😂
The regs are quite detailed on tyre choices, open diffs, etc. Take a look at the Motorcycling Club website for the full details it makes for fascinating reading
@@relentlessduckproductions8779 thanks 👍
Haha I love the energy of the crowd here, couldn't imagine how fun this was to see in person!
The vw bugs are perfect for hill climbs . The weight of the engine over the drive axle .
I have one and never got stuck in the mud. Almost all of those who got a hard time climbing was because the driver kept the wheel spinning after loosing grip.
@fishshipempoyee1273 My first car in '88 was a '72 1200, I also worked as a tractor driver in orchards, I took my Beetle in them orchards, and razzed around in the mud occasionally 😅, i never got stuck either. 6 yrs later I was living in a VW Bay panel van,parking on the top of a pebble bank at the beach ,the amount of cars that tried driving up and got stuck was hilarious, even 4x4 's ,always giving it too much welly and digging in 😂 .
And those spectators were so polite and generous.
Hello from France, FANTASTIC & INCREDIBLE .So many beautiful cars.
@@isaneterrier6678 Merci
For me, this is the most exciting motorsport to both watch and to compete in.
Really ? ... that's was was of the most boring motorsport videos i have ever watched ..
That ain't Motorsport, just idiots wrecking theyr cars.
@@No-mans Ah well. Each to their own.
No lift kits, no full mud tyres, no expensive suspension mods just cheap cars and lots of fun (and skill)
Wtf is a tyre?
@OcaroPineappl9033 black round things that go on wheels. It's how it's spelled in English. I believe Mercans got tired of spelling like that, so they spell it some other way. ;)
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@@ØÇÅRØPÎÑĒÅPPLĒ9033it’s also a place on the coast of Syria
This looks like good fun.
Fantastic! It's easy to see why the bugs were popular in Baja back in the day! Very capable with just a little modification. And the dune buggy restarting almost mid-hill and still making it, just gold.
That Honda Passport getting the Fred Flintstone assist - many times I've hopped off my CT90 and trotted alongside it on long steep hills.
So love your sharing!!! 😍😍Great sharing! my dear friend~ have a beautiful weekend!!
Scooter guy is the winner, this is freaking awesome
Bloody sight more interesting and fun than F1
Thanks for this it was awesome 🤙
Greetings,
As always another brilliant detailed video production 🇺🇸🍾🎉🇺🇸
Keep producing more videos.
The side car was savage. We've seen the cub take James May through Vietnam, so naturally I had no doubts it could handle this.
This is a nice Video, thank you very much 😊.
Some great runs there.. really clean by the red Imp and the blue TR!
Is it open diffs only, or can it be some % locking on the axle?
Open diffs. Take a look at the regs on The Motor Cycling Club, makes for interesting reading!
@@relentlessduckproductions8779 and stock tires too? and 2wd
@@goldenwr6254yeah tyres are controlled, so nothing off-road and they are all 2wd 🛞🛞
@@relentlessduckproductions8779 Wow, so not even all-season tires? Just summer tires...or?
@@relentlessduckproductions8779 I can understand no mud tires but a all-season tire would be OK wouldn't it? The tires on most of the cars are smoothies, no wonder they couldn't get up the hill. One clarification: If the differential is limited to being of the 'open' design, then you don't have 2wd. If the vehicle can be purchased w/ a limited-slip, why couldn't that car participate? It's OEM! Oh well, not important, enjoyed the video. The motorcycles ruled the hill, yea!!
Engine over the pulling tires always helps in conditions like these. My dad had an 85 Pontiac fiero, and it killed in snow and ice. That's why the bugs are doing so well here. Engines in the front with pulling tires in the rear doesnt do too well. But if the engine is over the driving tires its a win
The peoples cars seem to do really well
They are good in the snow as well.
Exactly 💯
Weight on the rear axel more tractions simple.
@@slowstang88 a couple of them have swooped in Subaru boxer engines which helps a bit
There's a reason they were popular as dune buggy and cross country rally racing.
Wow, the VW Beetles seem to do it so easily. Is that a power to weight ratio thingy? Or possibly thin tires?
@@yourtubisfilled7164 there is a rumour some have a Subaru flat four engine
@@relentlessduckproductions8779 Nice :)
Having the weight of the engine over the rear wheels helps with traction. Theres debates as for whether thin or wide tires are better but idk which is proven to be best. Could be theyre geared better too?
My kind of motorsport!
Superb! Any of these take place in Scotland?
I'd love to know what the engines are in some of those VW/ VW based cars are. The Fugitive definitely had something spicy in it.
@@jncg2311 Subaru flat four
A commercial for the old Type 1, VW Beetles !
As well as the old "Type 1" 1930s MG Midgets!
What car was at 6:05? I didn't recognize that one.
That’s a Dellow - specialist trials car from the 1950s - rare
is it only for GB residentals ?
Sterling effort from the 2 door Avenger....!
That will be Mr Keat and his legendary Hillman Avenger, that thing is witchcraft! 👍
Yes, one careful owner from new, never raced or rallied….
does the Skoda from the beginning of the video have welded or limited slip differecial? Both wheels are burning.
Sometimes even open differentials will spin both tires if the grip is equal on both sides. It could have had a welded diff though.
@@JakubKlubkoSmejkal welded diffs not allowed
What exactly makes old beetles so good at off-roading?
Hard to see how anything 2wd is getting up there! Although the two guys in the Caterham looking thing did ! props!
19:25 fingers!!🫣
Scary!!
Saw that too 😮
Rapturous! The only hill climbs I want to watch are these
as usual the cars based on VW beetle run it. The combination of big 15" wheels and good weight balance between rear and front is very helpful
Awesome! Is there a reciprical downhill Barbie Jeep race? 😁
What is this? Is 2x4 only part of it? I know of motorcycle trials but this is cars?
Whatever it is, it’s pretty cool!
@@Aux1Dub The Exeter Trial - run by the Motorcycle Club
Much better than F1
..Bunch of idiots ruining old cars- no comment..🤦🏻♂️
since its open diffs only is it allowed in the rules to yank up the hand brake to provide resistance to the free spinning wheel and possibly send some drive to the non spinning wheel when they are slowing to a stop?
I dont see why not
Yeah, but most of these engines seemed to be struggling with the job already.
@@schnitzelburgersgarage5 I think grip was a bigger problem
Que evento legal , qual país foi realizado????
England
What are the rules for these events? Only 2 wheel drive cars? Can you take any kind of tires?
@@raoulduke6043 only 2 wheel drive and tyres are restricted. Take a look at the regs at The Motorcycling Club website
Range rover my arse. Those Beetles are the dogs bolloks.
Nice job to editing for making a yt vid that’s hard to do a 10 sec skip ahead like most of off-roading competitions
🐝🏁 Great video 💯 👍 👌 thanks for sharing 👊
How old must the car be
what Skoda is that at 0:44 ?
@@123Nuk123 130 Estelle
classic example of 'the photo doesn't show how steep it is' - I'm a believer in that. The cars are sliding back down with all 4 wheels locked. If I were at the drawing board, I'd be trying to come up with a drivetrain that would detect slipping and respond with an instant reduction in wheel rpm, and I'd also try a suspension geometry that would move the whole wheel assembly forward (or backward?) or even laterally (probably inward for more weight) to see if that might help. Also, an instant reduction in air pressure in the tire might help. Needed would be a mechanism to return the pressure as soon as traction is regained.
Could each wheel get a weight to accelerate up or down for traction....
I knew a guy back in the day who rigged cat litter feeds to each tire, big hopper in each fender and a cable pull system, for dealing with snow. We were skiers and nothing was going to stop us from reaching the ski hills when we wanted it. It absolutely worked, got us past all manner of other vehicles. Train engineers used to feed tiny amounts of sand to the rails just in front of engine wheels for grades on which overloaded trains couldn't get going because the drive wheels would just uselessly spin.
Seems like the idea of the event was to have fun not to get an engineering degree.
I’d love it if they had a sticker or graphic stating the tires being used. It seems to be a major factor as the bugs do well or fail like others I don’t think every case is driver error.
@@Maybe-You-Know-Me-Not strictly road tyres by regulation
Bravo, the Imp was impressive! Interesting that the mk1 golf showed what’s possible with a small light fwd car……
Seems none of the vehicles had 4wd or the proper tires... Was there some type of rule against that?
@@Universal.G yep, regs say 2nd and road tyres
that bug climbing up there out of a full stop crazy
Now I just need Klaperjaht 2024 and i'll have my muddy offroad 2024 season in the bag.
So Much Win!
(I shall endeavvour to persuade my significnt other to partake upin this Vid tomorrow, just after we vote...
The Volkswagon Beetles did well , no trouble to them.
why are there no 4x4 vehicles?
@@folgloretv hi there - it’s because the origin of the trial (early 20th century) predates 4x4 vehicles so to preserve the challenge the regulations do not permit. If 4x4 vehicles were allowed it would be easy! Thanks for asking
Back in the early 70's our family had a couple of these, we could put 7 people in that thing when we were all little kids. Mom and dad in the front seat my 3 bother's and sister in the back and me being the youngest and smallest I'd sit i that little compartment under the back window.
09:24 - the goat, top[ tier bouncing
Wich country ?
@@polacoevolution UK
@@relentlessduckproductions8779
How old is that trail? That would have been quite a climb for horse and wagon.
Funny moments... I like that 😂😂😂
Once you have momentum, change up the box .
love it
It's crazy how certain cars are really not suited for this while others are uncannily totally up for the task
beetle simplesmente o melhor carro para trilha!
Bouncy-bois made it! Thrashing the steering wheel does nothing.
Idk wtf is this but looks fun
Are they only allowed to use none road legal tyres, most looked nearly bald of tread even the bikes.
That's what I was thinking and if they were allowed to use paddle tires, I 'd bet most all of the cars would have made it to the top.
@@DelDredd yep Road tyres only
If I learned anything from this video, it’s to just go get a VW bug & have fun going places that other off-road cars can’t go.
The vw beetles has a good advantage
Kein Problem für den guten alten ❤️VW-Käfer❤️☝️...........🇩🇪🫡🇩🇪
Why not go up backwards in a FWD car? Same physics as a VW Beetle at that point. It works, I've tried it.
@@MrSpartanPaul I don’t think the rules would allow reversing up the course
@@relentlessduckproductions8779 That's silly
It works for short distances only. You'd get pinched against the bank before getting very far.
Momentum is the key
Most of those cars I would only drive on sunny weekends.
What.???? The bugs do great!!!!!!. Maybe because the engine is at the back. Heavier at the back.👊
Yes. They are great!
Mmm and some have swopped out the air cooled vw engine for a Subaru unit….!
Why any of those rear-wheel drive cars even attempted it is a mystery.
Most rear wheel driven cars did better than the fwd nissan micra
Wow 🎉
22:37
🎧 Show!!!
The C90 🛵♥️
❤ Q Biennnnn GENIAL !!!..🇺🇾🎂💐🌹🎼🎧⚽️😊
Nice 👍
Wonderfull morgan,pretty.
So that's where all the old TR7s went.
First time watching a video like this well apparently this is for a two-wheel drive most with limited slip don't really see much of a challenge for the motorcycles I'm guessing something four-wheel drive are that's had its engine modified are qualified for this considering I could probably get up this in my 02 Dodge Dakota four-wheel drive but the thrill of trying to get up it seems to be somewhat enticing it would probably be an event I would enjoy after a couple beers
19:20 dude trying his hardest to get rid of those pesky fingers
Folkswagen это немецкий легковой трактор 🚜 ! На 100 % уверен , что и наш Запик лицом в грязь не ударил бы! 😉
Só podia ser na Inglaterra ❤.
The old makes the diference clearly! 3/4 of the olds climb up the muddy path.
Great stuff! It always makes me laugh seeing people 'racking' the steering to try and get more grip from a rear wheel drive car!
Maybe they are avoiding the obstacles?
@@maikelnait4495 Nah.. guy in a beetle around 17:30
nice burnouts
Yes to the IMP
whyd we watch the peugeot in slow motion?? 🤣
im honestly surprised the bug didnt make it... lower the tire pressure a bit and it'd do it.
8:30 to slow
PARABENS ESSE PRESIDIO E ASSIM QUE TEM QUE ACHIR
Los bochos son los mejores ✌🏼
Esses fusca aí é original os motorista que é mexido 😂
6:15 mais louco que o Batman sem capa...
Fiat Panda 4x4 would be good at this.
29:34
👏👏👏👏👏😃👍
흥미있는 놀이문화가 부럽다 👍
Vw frog is congquer 👍