A couple things I didnt mention in the video, if you have this code and none of the injectors are leaking, and you dont have a leak in the high pressure line then you almost certainly have a failing Injection Pump! Also if you watch the cylinder contribution test again you can clearly see Cyl 1, 2 & 3 all are contributing less than the other bank because if this issue. Good lucky and happy wrenching!!
To wrap things up for anyone curious looking in the comments, I ended up installing all new injectors and harnesses that the last shop had damaged(most of the injector plugs were glued to the pigtails) and got her running again and after several miles to clear the cat out the smoke is gone and the truck runs smooth!
I have a 2015 Ford Expedition and its hard starting and when it does start you can smell gas fumes. Im getting an error code on both banks. Would I be correct in saying it needs a new HPFP?
Had similar experience, engine lost power, started skipping and shaking badly, changed the spark plugs and coils, still doing the same issue, so I had it diagnosed and the fuel injection on passenger side was not working on 1 and 3 cylinders, but pressure test was great, changed all the injectors and now running like a new motor again 😊
I haven't found any other info on ProDemand, Indentifix, google or youtube for this issue I'm having. Your video is only one that almost answered my drivability issue until I read your comment below, that's totally accurate. I see the HPFP pid drop to near zero when I shut of the truck and thought that pressure is supposed to hold for longer than that. plus the long crank time is there. Cold engine starts up fine until it warms up after awhile then it misses on passenger bank badly as seen in the scan tool. No injectors leaking and secondary ignition is all new. injection cleaning done, premium gas, tank treatment, you name it, nothing is solving this. I think the HPFP is bad because of the symptoms and I know the tank pump is good running 60-100 psi at times. All I needed was testing procedures for HPFP and normal operating condition parameters. Thanks.
Thank you for the video, it helped me a lot. I have the same problem on my ford flex ecoboost, I just replaced the injector on cylinder 6. Do I have to change the engine oil?
Came here looking for a solution to a similar problem thinking I had already replaced cylinder two spark plug and coil, only to find out I changed cylinder 4 coil and plug. Thank you sir
Good information. I have p0087a and b. When I do a pull even 1/2 throttle all of a sudden it seems like someone turned off the key and right back on again. Very jarring on the drive train. My bdx livelink shows all kind of wacky things happening. Dealer couldn't find anything. Would you have any ideas?
I'm having low pressure in both banks, with the psi ranging from 11-30 psi. Check engine light is on, and also hard to start. No smoke is coming out the pipe. Your thoughts
Losing power when accelerating off and on in my 2015 Ford Fusion 1.5 liter. Rpms will spike but the car won't go anywhere until it gains power again. Power feels weak when it does. No shifting issues. No check engine light yet. What should I do?
Hey man i have a f150 ecoboost 3.5L turbo model, im having a P0087 code only when truck is idling for over 2hours. Fuel pump in tank primes at all times even when truck stalls n shudders. I changed the high pressure sensor on fuel rail and HPFP and still having the problem. Been chasing this for two weeks pls any feedback will be great!!
I have a miss fire in cylinder 3. I changed the spark plug and coil pack still having the miss fire. The spark plug doesn't smell and oil don't smell either. Was in the middle of getting into the injector before I saw this video. And not the same symptoms. What should I do?
Don't forget the need to install a Catch can system. It should be done before 30K miles. You will be sorry if you don't. We have several 2016 F150 Police units with this engine, the intake valves All coked up by 40- 45,000 miles, miss fires, lack of power, bucking on acceleration and NO codes thrown. I had a fellow mechanic drive while I monitored the scan screen. I watched fuel system components in real-time. Under moderate to severe acceleration fuel rail pressure dropped below 100 psi while demand stayed high. A month earlier I replaced the in-tank supply pump, high pressure rail psi was in the correct range at the time. The supply pump no doubt left the high-pressure pump short on fuel setting it up to fail due to wear.
i just bought a 2013 police sedan with 3.5 eco and im having p0087 and bucking on moderate to heavy acceleration. its got 135k miles but do you think a catch would still be helpful for future longevity? anything you recommend for my PIS besides whats in the vid?
Thank you! Glad to be back! More project videos will happen this fall, will do what I can once in awhile till then but lots of other helpful content hopefully in the meantime 👍👍
Great diagnosis! Just wondering is it possible to clean these gdi injectors by connecting otc tool (fuel cleaner pressure can) to the high pressure pump feed line ...
So I have a Ford F150 3.5 eco-boost turbo 2016 and I have a misfire I recently had to misfire on cylinder three and five and a low voltage on Bank 2.I had to swap the coil packs around from 5 to 6 and 3 to 4 and turned out my coil packs were bad so I replaced all six and my truck ran good after that definitely did not do anything it was doing before. And that was about a month ago from today and I just got another misfire on cylinder five
Good job 👍 you're doing exactly you're supposed to ask tons of questions the more you ask the quicker you get to the problem how long have you been doing this anyway I got 50 years under the belt and I still like working with the electronics I physical attributes aren't letting me do the mechanical aspects but the rest of the thinking I can do keep up the good work you're headed down the right path
I have 2011 Taurus sho same engine I had the long engine crank as well and it was a stuck injector I had my cat replaced as well because I hear this symptom can damage it. Everything is good now that injector was replaced mine was #2 too on first gen ecoboost.
My 2011 3.5 shows low pressure and if I do get it started put gear it dies but when it starts it’s got a loud squealing noise at the back of motor does anyone kno what the noise could be I pulled valve covers everything looks good
Hey compa grate job since I see your first video I know your good but after a few videos you are one of my heroes in UA-cam now you have another's fun and suscriber thank you for compartir información
Additive wont do much for you. There may be a couple things out there that "help" a little but these are still mechanical parts that experience failures once in awhile, good practice would be to replace all at once, but understandably on some places where labor might be cheap it may be more affordable to replace the one. Long term it still will be more expensive though to do them all one at a time, not to mention more potential for mistakes and issues every time things have to be pulled apart. If you have an issue in the future with another one I would recommend replacing all of them.
My Ecoboost is misfiring under load and not throwing a code. Could it be the hpfp? I changed all the plugs and boots, also cleaned all the sensors. Has top end power but very sluggish on the bottom end. Having it looked at, but I'm still curious. Thanks.
Usually an HPFP will fail in a way that it cannot supply enough fuel under load. It really would be impossible to say without looking at it myself, this video is just to help others troubleshoot, may or may not be applicable to many different situations.
If that is pumping out smoke like crazy you should have seen my truck. I had to get off the road out of visibility safety concerns for other drivers. My passenger side turbo oil was leaking into the intake and exhaust.
My 2012 f150 eco boost has the code p0087 also. Not a lot of white smoke out of the exhaust pipe, but there is a little “could be condensation/water vapor”. I replaced high pressure fuel pump on top of motor, “did not fix my issue. ***symptoms- slightly worse fuel mileage Every few days truck will have rough idle after start up and won’t be able to drive very fast5-10 mph max. I shut the truck off and usually after restarting truck, it drives fine. I did have a misfire on cylinder 5 a while ago also but that was a cracked spark plug. I’m leaning to possibly a fuel pressure sensor. I’m near Charleston sc. I only have my code scanner and regular tools. No fuel pressure tester, but i can go buy one to try diagnostics. All I did to try solving issue, new spark plugs, 1 coil pack, and high pressure fuel pump. What should I do now?
A head job? Injector removal will be the least of your questions and concerns. Sorry but I dont have a video on that for you but either way its not that different than any other engine when it comes to that job.
I have similar issue and the dealership change the fuel pump driver module and changed the coil and plug in cylinder 2.but now my car die more often and do hard cranking!
It is a Matco Maximus 2.0 made by Launch, its the same as an X431 and I've overall been very happy with it. I have another video on my channel reviewing it and also one reviewing the newer one.
This is a Matco or Launch scanner. Forscan works great for Fords and is free, Autoenginuity is also a much more affordable option for this kind of capability.
But I will say, u hit it right on the head with checking oil level for gas, could ruin bearings , so yea oil change and check scoring, compression and leak down, quality diag my friend, quality.
Thank you, I am aware it becomes very innacurate when revving but sometimes watching the initial throttle tip in and comedown back to idle tells a little more when you rev it. I have noticed that but Im not sure if I knew that at the time this video was filmed 🤷♂️ We are always learning!
Dont rev so high on power balance. It becomes inaccurate. When u see it freeze, I went too high and none of the readings matter. Power balance is a great tool, if used right. 4 never messed up, it was operator error. Never saw u get a smooth run up to 1800 rpms to get a better reading, even though it was obvious 2, it's better to run to around 2k max to get better readings, esp if misfire only under a load or higher rpms, than idle
I have a 2018 F-150 3.5 approaching 50k miles and I’ve had this CEL on for a while throwing a P0087 code and P0217 codes. Now I am not sure why it’s doing it. There is no long crank time or a misfire. The truck is running fine. I’m not sure as my tuner also shows that my o2 sensor might be either dirty or messed up. Please help. If anything message me on Instagram @miami_boosted
P0217 is an overheating code, definitely look into that and make sure you dont have a problem with your cooling system. As for the P0087 code that is set by low injection pump pressure and nothing else, you mentioned you have a tuner, if it has a tune on it try reverting it all back to factory and see what happens. Many many times have seen tuners causing issues.
Because if it isnt covered under warranty the dealer starts at about $150/hr here with a compounding rate(second hr is 170ish, 3rd 190ish). Very expensive and come to find out they would not have covered this under warranty. I tested everything else and its good we are putting 6 injectors in it and it will cost him about half by the time we are done that a dealer would. The vehicle is a 2011 so it is not under a powertrain warranty anymore, and the injector would not be covered under the engine replacement warranty. Hope that makes sense and answers your question. It is VERY common for customers to have us check things out and see if something will be warranty covered before taking things to the dealer, if we see an issue and know it will be covered we dont charge them and just tell them to take it there.
@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei I believe the reused the injectors, those are not usually included. I also dont know if it was a new manufactured engine or a reman/rebuilt because if so definitely not. Depends on the OEM and part on what is covered.
@@307.William Yes they are the same thing, on diesels they are usually called injection pumps but same exact kind of part. To diagnose it you will need a scan tool that can give you data on the pressures each bank and would be nice to see a cylinder contribution test unless it doesnt run at all. Since you have a Ford I would recommend looking up and getting Forscan its a great tool for DIYers
Getting fuel to my high pressure fuel pump on my EcoBoost. But nothing out the cylinders. I haven't done a fuel pressure test on their fuel pump in the tank, but it seems to be putting out a lot of fuel at the front of the engine to the high pressure fuel pump. There does not seem to make it to the cylinder.
A couple things I didnt mention in the video, if you have this code and none of the injectors are leaking, and you dont have a leak in the high pressure line then you almost certainly have a failing Injection Pump!
Also if you watch the cylinder contribution test again you can clearly see Cyl 1, 2 & 3 all are contributing less than the other bank because if this issue.
Good lucky and happy wrenching!!
To wrap things up for anyone curious looking in the comments, I ended up installing all new injectors and harnesses that the last shop had damaged(most of the injector plugs were glued to the pigtails) and got her running again and after several miles to clear the cat out the smoke is gone and the truck runs smooth!
How to swap these injectors Please?
I have a 2015 Ford Expedition and its hard starting and when it does start you can smell gas fumes. Im getting an error code on both banks. Would I be correct in saying it needs a new HPFP?
Probably should have read the thread before asking. Thank you.
Hey guy, can you give me a estimate on time to replace a single injector on this truck, hrs? I really appreciate your video
Had similar experience, engine lost power, started skipping and shaking badly, changed the spark plugs and coils, still doing the same issue, so I had it diagnosed and the fuel injection on passenger side was not working on 1 and 3 cylinders, but pressure test was great, changed all the injectors and now running like a new motor again 😊
Thank-you for doing this, From Yukon Canada, helping a older couple with their vehicle issues.
Glad I could be of help and hope you solve your issues!
I haven't found any other info on ProDemand, Indentifix, google or youtube for this issue I'm having. Your video is only one that almost answered my drivability issue until I read your comment below, that's totally accurate. I see the HPFP pid drop to near zero when I shut of the truck and thought that pressure is supposed to hold for longer than that. plus the long crank time is there. Cold engine starts up fine until it warms up after awhile then it misses on passenger bank badly as seen in the scan tool. No injectors leaking and secondary ignition is all new. injection cleaning done, premium gas, tank treatment, you name it, nothing is solving this. I think the HPFP is bad because of the symptoms and I know the tank pump is good running 60-100 psi at times. All I needed was testing procedures for HPFP and normal operating condition parameters. Thanks.
Thank you for the video, it helped me a lot. I have the same problem on my ford flex ecoboost, I just replaced the injector on cylinder 6. Do I have to change the engine oil?
Where can I find a video that shows detailed steps to get the fuel rail out and replace all injectors
Came here looking for a solution to a similar problem thinking I had already replaced cylinder two spark plug and coil, only to find out I changed cylinder 4 coil and plug. Thank you sir
I have the same problem with 2014 Ford Taurus. I have to work on it today and it advice.
Thanks for this. My Explorer exhibits the same symptoms. Took it in right away, I am having an injector replaced tomorrow.
Glad I was able to help!
@@GearHeadsGarageChannel I should mention that the same codes also showed up on the scanner. Did you install OEM injectors?
This ia a solid and detailed diagnosis!
Good information. I have p0087a and b. When I do a pull even 1/2 throttle all of a sudden it seems like someone turned off the key and right back on again. Very jarring on the drive train. My bdx livelink shows all kind of wacky things happening. Dealer couldn't find anything. Would you have any ideas?
Thank you for your help! I have the same issues on cylinder 5 I don’t have the fancy scan tool but I’m gonna go ahead and replace injector 5
your video told me a lot, I have code p0087…Bank 1 this is on my 2019 Ford Transit EcoBoost. thanks
Thank you for your time it's put. Me on alert I'll check it tomorrow 👍
Nice work Troubleshooting the problem! Cheers!
Thanks bud! I think it took the cat out too we'll see. Waiting on one more part monday but the jobs pretty much done and its running
I'm having low pressure in both banks, with the psi ranging from 11-30 psi. Check engine light is on, and also hard to start. No smoke is coming out the pipe. Your thoughts
Losing power when accelerating off and on in my 2015 Ford Fusion 1.5 liter. Rpms will spike but the car won't go anywhere until it gains power again. Power feels weak when it does. No shifting issues. No check engine light yet. What should I do?
Hey man i have a f150 ecoboost 3.5L turbo model, im having a P0087 code only when truck is idling for over 2hours. Fuel pump in tank primes at all times even when truck stalls n shudders. I changed the high pressure sensor on fuel rail and HPFP and still having the problem. Been chasing this for two weeks pls any feedback will be great!!
I have a miss fire in cylinder 3. I changed the spark plug and coil pack still having the miss fire. The spark plug doesn't smell and oil don't smell either. Was in the middle of getting into the injector before I saw this video. And not the same symptoms. What should I do?
Don't forget the need to install a Catch can system.
It should be done before 30K miles.
You will be sorry if you don't.
We have several 2016 F150 Police units with this engine, the intake valves All coked up by 40- 45,000 miles, miss fires, lack of power, bucking on acceleration and NO codes thrown.
I had a fellow mechanic drive while I monitored the scan screen.
I watched fuel system components in real-time.
Under moderate to severe acceleration fuel rail pressure dropped below 100 psi while demand stayed high.
A month earlier I replaced the in-tank supply pump, high pressure rail psi was in the correct range at the time.
The supply pump no doubt left the high-pressure pump short on fuel setting it up to fail due to wear.
i just bought a 2013 police sedan with 3.5 eco and im having p0087 and bucking on moderate to heavy acceleration. its got 135k miles but do you think a catch would still be helpful for future longevity? anything you recommend for my PIS besides whats in the vid?
That’s a thorough diagnosis
great to see the channel alive again. god video
Thank you! Glad to be back! More project videos will happen this fall, will do what I can once in awhile till then but lots of other helpful content hopefully in the meantime 👍👍
Great diagnosis! Just wondering is it possible to clean these gdi injectors by connecting otc tool (fuel cleaner pressure can) to the high pressure pump feed line ...
If it's not throwing a code for misfire but having the same issue. Could it still be a stuck injector?
So I have a Ford F150 3.5 eco-boost turbo 2016 and I have a misfire I recently had to misfire on cylinder three and five and a low voltage on Bank 2.I had to swap the coil packs around from 5 to 6 and 3 to 4 and turned out my coil packs were bad so I replaced all six and my truck ran good after that definitely did not do anything it was doing before. And that was about a month ago from today and I just got another misfire on cylinder five
Good job 👍 you're doing exactly you're supposed to ask tons of questions the more you ask the quicker you get to the problem how long have you been doing this anyway I got 50 years under the belt and I still like working with the electronics I physical attributes aren't letting me do the mechanical aspects but the rest of the thinking I can do keep up the good work you're headed down the right path
Thank you Gary. Been wrenching for about 8-9 years now, started in a professional shop environment about 4-5 years ago.
I have 2011 Taurus sho same engine I had the long engine crank as well and it was a stuck injector I had my cat replaced as well because I hear this symptom can damage it. Everything is good now that injector was replaced mine was #2 too on first gen ecoboost.
My 2011 3.5 shows low pressure and if I do get it started put gear it dies but when it starts it’s got a loud squealing noise at the back of motor does anyone kno what the noise could be I pulled valve covers everything looks good
Hey compa grate job since I see your first video I know your good but after a few videos you are one of my heroes in UA-cam now you have another's fun and suscriber thank you for compartir información
Wouldn't you want to replace all of the injectors because of the scope of the work?
My 3.5 did this. The shop only replaced the bad injector. Should i add a aditive to clean the other injectors. If so what is the best additive.
Additive wont do much for you. There may be a couple things out there that "help" a little but these are still mechanical parts that experience failures once in awhile, good practice would be to replace all at once, but understandably on some places where labor might be cheap it may be more affordable to replace the one. Long term it still will be more expensive though to do them all one at a time, not to mention more potential for mistakes and issues every time things have to be pulled apart. If you have an issue in the future with another one I would recommend replacing all of them.
@@GearHeadsGarageChannel thanks
My Ecoboost is misfiring under load and not throwing a code. Could it be the hpfp? I changed all the plugs and boots, also cleaned all the sensors. Has top end power but very sluggish on the bottom end. Having it looked at, but I'm still curious. Thanks.
Usually an HPFP will fail in a way that it cannot supply enough fuel under load. It really would be impossible to say without looking at it myself, this video is just to help others troubleshoot, may or may not be applicable to many different situations.
Great video, thanks! I have the 2.7 ecoboost, have you seen any glaring issues with that engine?
Pos
Will be interesting to hear how the truck runs after replacing injectors!
If I can I will do an update showing what happened!
If that is pumping out smoke like crazy you should have seen my truck. I had to get off the road out of visibility safety concerns for other drivers. My passenger side turbo oil was leaking into the intake and exhaust.
Have the Video of replacing the fuel injectors of the 2011 F150?
Is it possible to replace injector by yourself or you need to calibrate them with computer?
I dont believe these ones need programmed but even if they do it is possible to do yourself with FORSCAN software.
My 2012 f150 eco boost has the code p0087 also. Not a lot of white smoke out of the exhaust pipe, but there is a little “could be condensation/water vapor”. I replaced high pressure fuel pump on top of motor, “did not fix my issue.
***symptoms- slightly worse fuel mileage
Every few days truck will have rough idle after start up and won’t be able to drive very fast5-10 mph max. I shut the truck off and usually after restarting truck, it drives fine. I did have a misfire on cylinder 5 a while ago also but that was a cracked spark plug. I’m leaning to possibly a fuel pressure sensor. I’m near Charleston sc. I only have my code scanner and regular tools. No fuel pressure tester, but i can go buy one to try diagnostics. All I did to try solving issue, new spark plugs, 1 coil pack, and high pressure fuel pump. What should I do now?
thanks very good learning
Any information on injector removal... im doing a head job on this EcoBoost. Thanks a million.
A head job? Injector removal will be the least of your questions and concerns. Sorry but I dont have a video on that for you but either way its not that different than any other engine when it comes to that job.
Great diagnostic!!!
Good job, enjoyed, understood, great American
I have similar issue and the dealership change the fuel pump driver module and changed the coil and plug in cylinder 2.but now my car die more often and do hard cranking!
Sounds like a leaking injector idk why they did a plug and coil other than lazyness or a tech that lacks the knowledge.
What scanner is that? How do you like it?
It is a Matco Maximus 2.0 made by Launch, its the same as an X431 and I've overall been very happy with it. I have another video on my channel reviewing it and also one reviewing the newer one.
What scan tool is that
Nice job
You are a God sent. Thanks bud
Glad go help 👍
@@GearHeadsGarageChannel is there any way to bypass that cylinder or for a temporary fix to eliminate the truck from misfire
Great vid bro!!!
Where can that scanner tool or software be purchased?
This is a Matco or Launch scanner. Forscan works great for Fords and is free, Autoenginuity is also a much more affordable option for this kind of capability.
But I will say, u hit it right on the head with checking oil level for gas, could ruin bearings , so yea oil change and check scoring, compression and leak down, quality diag my friend, quality.
Thank you, I am aware it becomes very innacurate when revving but sometimes watching the initial throttle tip in and comedown back to idle tells a little more when you rev it. I have noticed that but Im not sure if I knew that at the time this video was filmed 🤷♂️ We are always learning!
Just had it happen to my sho, about to tackle this
Great information
I have the exact same problem with the sam circumstances
Great video
Keep up the great work
Thank you!
Helpful thanks
Dont rev so high on power balance. It becomes inaccurate. When u see it freeze, I went too high and none of the readings matter. Power balance is a great tool, if used right. 4 never messed up, it was operator error. Never saw u get a smooth run up to 1800 rpms to get a better reading, even though it was obvious 2, it's better to run to around 2k max to get better readings, esp if misfire only under a load or higher rpms, than idle
Those coil retaining clips after about 100k miles crumble no matter how careful you are.
That's right diagnos
I have a 2018 F-150 3.5 approaching 50k miles and I’ve had this CEL on for a while throwing a P0087 code and P0217 codes. Now I am not sure why it’s doing it. There is no long crank time or a misfire. The truck is running fine. I’m not sure as my tuner also shows that my o2 sensor might be either dirty or messed up. Please help. If anything message me on Instagram @miami_boosted
P0217 is an overheating code, definitely look into that and make sure you dont have a problem with your cooling system. As for the P0087 code that is set by low injection pump pressure and nothing else, you mentioned you have a tuner, if it has a tune on it try reverting it all back to factory and see what happens. Many many times have seen tuners causing issues.
Thanks for the great video, but I'm baffled on why he won't take it straight to the dealer.
Because if it isnt covered under warranty the dealer starts at about $150/hr here with a compounding rate(second hr is 170ish, 3rd 190ish). Very expensive and come to find out they would not have covered this under warranty. I tested everything else and its good we are putting 6 injectors in it and it will cost him about half by the time we are done that a dealer would. The vehicle is a 2011 so it is not under a powertrain warranty anymore, and the injector would not be covered under the engine replacement warranty.
Hope that makes sense and answers your question. It is VERY common for customers to have us check things out and see if something will be warranty covered before taking things to the dealer, if we see an issue and know it will be covered we dont charge them and just tell them to take it there.
@@GearHeadsGarageChannel Perfectly clear, I was ASSUMING the will cover any part of the NEW engine they put in...
@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei I believe the reused the injectors, those are not usually included. I also dont know if it was a new manufactured engine or a reman/rebuilt because if so definitely not. Depends on the OEM and part on what is covered.
What about a P00C6 code?
Low fuel rail pressure, could be injectors, a leak, or bad injection pump.
GearHeads by injection pump do you mean High pressure fuel pump? I have a 3.5 EB FYI
@@307.William Yes they are the same thing, on diesels they are usually called injection pumps but same exact kind of part. To diagnose it you will need a scan tool that can give you data on the pressures each bank and would be nice to see a cylinder contribution test unless it doesnt run at all. Since you have a Ford I would recommend looking up and getting Forscan its a great tool for DIYers
Getting fuel to my high pressure fuel pump on my EcoBoost. But nothing out the cylinders. I haven't done a fuel pressure test on their fuel pump in the tank, but it seems to be putting out a lot of fuel at the front of the engine to the high pressure fuel pump. There does not seem to make it to the cylinder.
Replaced the Injection pump and the fuel pump control module (relay) still gettin P0087 and P00C6