Just found your channel. Love the harbinger. Still trying to master flying this tank of a ship. This is what a P-38 lighting and A-10 Warthog love child looks like
for some reason i have always wanted a small-ish fighter ship that packs a punch and also has an interior and when i found the harbinger it felt like the perfect fighter. i have 4 evsd distortions which swat ships in atmo into the ground and 1 huge omnisky xv to smash thru ships. but i might swap the distortions out with ballistic cannons and see how that feels
Your 4 size 2 laser repeaters fire at 1400 projectile velocity and your big size 5 canon ( as you said ) fires at 700 which makes aiming properly awkward with a mixed set up.I went for the size 5 Deabolt on the nose and 4 ballistic canons under that. One big happy shooty family all firing similar speed weapons. This setup gives you a dps of 4,285 …by far the most damaging set up one can choose…yes you do have to reload often but hey..its worth it!
It can't turn like an Arrow, or even like a Hurricane. But it hits like Mjolnir. Two of these together hit harder than a _Redeemer gunship._ And they're _still_ fighters, that can evade and maneuver.
the vanguard is one of the ships that has what a lot of ppl want. a good amount of weapons. an interior space. u got all the amenities u need in the ship. all of which is in a nice small package that doesnt really hinder the speed and handling. doesnt hurt the cockpit view is pretty good. like not many ships can match up the the vanguard series for what it offers for the size.
For some reason this was in my ship inventory when I logged in this patch. I'm guessing it's an additional loaner for the Idris now? It's a fun ship to experiment with weapons loadouts with. But I still find myself using my Avenger more when flying solo. Mostly because every patch I get 16 free S4 Rhinos to pilfer from the useless Hammerhead, so that's 16 times I can blow up my Avenger for "free" :P It's like convoluted loadout insurance
The Vanguard is peculiar really. If your gonna own one, you might as well work on owning all 3 (or 4 if you want the dropship too). The peculiar part is that the warden is the cheapest variant USD, but the most expensive for aUEC so In my honest opinion pledging for the Warden and grinding for the Harb, Sent and Hop (if that's your thing) is the way to go instead of paying USD for the Harbinger, after all it's the most expensive (USD) of the 4 but the easiest one to grind for, AND in the end those sweet size 9's the eclipse has for doing ERT's makes me leave my harb in the hanger when I want to grind anyway.
The eclipse has size 9 torps. Size 10 isn't released yet (outside of the A2's MOAB) and won't be coming until the Polaris. But yeah... agree with your statement. ATM, the Hoplite is one of the better buys due to cost and you get most of the same functionality. The Warden is a bit of a jump up, but not too bad. Grinding to get the Harb and Sent in game isn't too bad.
Harb is best with friend S-3 turret yes its bigger. For solo I still prefer the Sentinel as the weakness of these big boys is light fighter buzzin circles at close range. The EMP keeps these annoying mosquitos at 500M+ away or they get popped by EMP.
Like I said in the video pal, I am going to every ship. This is the start in a new series (that's why a new playlist was created) and It's going to cover every ship, ground vehicle, people passport whatever the verse has to offer.
Best one for soloplay is def the Sentinel variant (for now, that e-war is not a thing), as it's the most agile fo the three, light fighters ain't a worry. You only get x2 S2 on the manned turret though, but it's for solo gameplay anyway...
The only thing I dislike about the Harbinger is that they changed it from a railgun on the nose to the crappy laser canon…. Was really let down at that change
@@poncedr oh you absolutely can, but it’s now a “mass driver” which is technically similar, but not what I was sold on. I’m just not picking honestly, it’s a lovely ship all the same
Eh nope, the Sentinel is the same aUEC cost as the Harbs, and is better manuvering. The Harbingers s5 CS torpedoes are bugged since 3.17, and cannot be swapped for EM versions, so you are stuck with CS torpedoes that may not lock in high background environments, like the debris fields in Hurston. I prefer the Sentinel over the Harbs in a dogfight, and a Constellation Taurus over both - it has better guns, bigger shields, bigger cargo, can carry an ursa rover, and you can take hauling and ERT bounty hunting.
I can't wait until we can slave the turrets to the pilot controls. I will probably never leave my Vanguards. I hate have these turrets on the heavy fighters. I'd rather have control over the turret and drop those hardpoints to size two if it means that my wingman is in his own Vanguard with the same loadout flying next to me. I already solo VHRTs and ERTs with my Sentinel or my Haribinger without those gus active on top. Imagine what 6 Harbingers, a pilot only each, could do with that payload and that compliment of guns. Literally half a squadron could go hunting capital ships and rip them apart. Screw the crew AI nonsense CIG, just write the two lines of code needed to slave the turret to me!
I disagree and you may need to revisit this. I will happily try take on a harb in a gladius, it handles like a pig. However a sentinel is a real threat with it's emp because you can't knife fight, you just get shut down. Also the size 5 and cannons is very much a pve choice, for pvp you need all weapons to have the fastest uniform velocity to get rounds on target.
Harbs was great for PVP when it could carry Scimitar V EM torpedos that have an insane minimum lock range of 50m, so you’d never miss, and one shot a light fighter who though you were flying too close. Now it’s torpedo load out is locked on stock CS Stalker V.
Vanguard isn't unbalanced, the front and back shield means any ship capable of out-manoeuvring it can slip round the side and focus fire to destroy the turret / directly attack the hull assuming your opponent's flight skill and ship spec allows said weakness to be exploited. Granted NPC AI isn't smart enough to do that, but the Vanguard's firepower will only allow yourself to bully your way through certain scenarios before you'd essentially be playing on hard mode without choosing a better ship for the task. It's just like bleed in Elden Ring, an easy crutch to artificially inflate your capabilities to the level of more effective methods that require a higher skill level to achieve the same (or greater) results. As heavy fighters go it's definitely a good ship, but it doesn't have enough firepower to tangle with the likes of an Ares or F8 nor would it win against a well piloted Scorpius. I don't fly a Vanguard so I have no "dog in the fight" that people might assume if I'm against a ship being nerfed, but I've fought quite a few in PvP and never found myself to be at a distinct disadvantage. I loathe the mentality of "easier to get the comparable results = overpowered and gets nerfed" because it just renders more things unusable or non-competitive for people with a higher skill level. People who can use alternative options to better effect but the effectiveness of the thing in question (Vanguard in this case) remains capped due to a lower skill ceiling but also a lower effectiveness ceiling. If you disagree and you've fought / won against the ships I've mentioned, to put it bluntly they were just terrible pilots...
That's not how "front-back" shields work, just a failing with how the current shield MFD display communicates shield status to us They're actually two hemispheres with full coverage between them. Sort of a halfway point between the omni-directional "bubble" of small ships and the "quadrant" shields on larger craft You can check this with a trusted friend, or by going on foot (or EVA) and blasting the shields with small arms.
No the vanguard`s are not better than every thing else, they are not particually good at pvp, they are more for pve and bigger ships, they are easy to hit. They are good at what they do and nothing more. Long range escort heavy fighter... try fighting 2 light fighters if you are 2 in the vangaurd or just one if you solo it...
The Vanguard series is I'm my own personal opinion the best solo/duo ship out there.
100% one of the best
What makes turret aim assist so special?
@@citizenzero5437 its very strong in this current time of the game period
How does the Vanguard compare against the Hurricane assuming both are fully crewed?
@@thomaszhang3101 I find that the hurricane packs a little bit more of a punch but the vanguard is tankier and takes way more hits.
Just found your channel. Love the harbinger. Still trying to master flying this tank of a ship. This is what a P-38 lighting and A-10 Warthog love child looks like
Hell yeah!
I've bought many ships but my main combat ship is the vanguard Warden
for some reason i have always wanted a small-ish fighter ship that packs a punch and also has an interior and when i found the harbinger it felt like the perfect fighter. i have 4 evsd distortions which swat ships in atmo into the ground and 1 huge omnisky xv to smash thru ships. but i might swap the distortions out with ballistic cannons and see how that feels
Huge respsect for th esingle alpha damage focus. That's also what I prefer.
Your 4 size 2 laser repeaters fire at 1400 projectile velocity and your big size 5 canon ( as you said ) fires at 700 which makes aiming properly awkward with a mixed set up.I went for the size 5 Deabolt on the nose and 4 ballistic canons under that. One big happy shooty family all firing similar speed weapons. This setup gives you a dps of 4,285 …by far the most damaging set up one can choose…yes you do have to reload often but hey..its worth it!
where can you buy all that? :)
I have almost every ship in the game, harbinger is my all time favorite. Good job.
You... uhm.... got a Scythe or F7A you wanna send my way :D
Thumbs up for the intro music alone
It can't turn like an Arrow, or even like a Hurricane.
But it hits like Mjolnir. Two of these together hit harder than a _Redeemer gunship._ And they're _still_ fighters, that can evade and maneuver.
I have the Harbinger as a Loaner and The Warden is my Pledge Ship. Beautiful, Strong & nice Flyable Ship.
Most people don't know but if you slap on 4 s2 laser canons and then stagger them it functions as just one super huge laser repeater
Flying the Sentinel is so fantastic it ticked me to get a flight stick.
I think these heavier ships fly so well nowadays
Harbinger my pick too ,great ship
Classic deisgn, powerhouse platform. It has everything. JUST NEED THOSE SIZE 5 BUFFS!
You deserve to have 1 million subscribers, amazing video. Happy New Year.
Good vid, its Vanguard btw in the title 😉
Thank you very much! Haha
the vanguard is one of the ships that has what a lot of ppl want. a good amount of weapons. an interior space. u got all the amenities u need in the ship. all of which is in a nice small package that doesnt really hinder the speed and handling. doesnt hurt the cockpit view is pretty good. like not many ships can match up the the vanguard series for what it offers for the size.
It also has a kitchen and a pooper scooper, for when that is important and in the game.
Oh it’s important already……
For some reason this was in my ship inventory when I logged in this patch. I'm guessing it's an additional loaner for the Idris now? It's a fun ship to experiment with weapons loadouts with. But I still find myself using my Avenger more when flying solo. Mostly because every patch I get 16 free S4 Rhinos to pilfer from the useless Hammerhead, so that's 16 times I can blow up my Avenger for "free" :P It's like convoluted loadout insurance
lol, the Avengar can be really good but it is very squishy compared to this beast
@@Stewey Ha! I used to fly a Hawk, I know *real* "squishy" :P
The Vanguard is peculiar really. If your gonna own one, you might as well work on owning all 3 (or 4 if you want the dropship too). The peculiar part is that the warden is the cheapest variant USD, but the most expensive for aUEC so In my honest opinion pledging for the Warden and grinding for the Harb, Sent and Hop (if that's your thing) is the way to go instead of paying USD for the Harbinger, after all it's the most expensive (USD) of the 4 but the easiest one to grind for, AND in the end those sweet size 9's the eclipse has for doing ERT's makes me leave my harb in the hanger when I want to grind anyway.
That’s very true, and certainly something worth bringing up when I discuss the rest another time
The eclipse has size 9 torps. Size 10 isn't released yet (outside of the A2's MOAB) and won't be coming until the Polaris.
But yeah... agree with your statement. ATM, the Hoplite is one of the better buys due to cost and you get most of the same functionality. The Warden is a bit of a jump up, but not too bad. Grinding to get the Harb and Sent in game isn't too bad.
@@Feokian oops your right, typo's fixed.
Harb is best with friend S-3 turret yes its bigger. For solo I still prefer the Sentinel as the weakness of these big boys is light fighter buzzin circles at close range. The EMP keeps these annoying mosquitos at 500M+ away or they get popped by EMP.
thats totally true! but EP right now is not in a working state. The standard Warden is actually a faster ship and something I will discuss later
Can you enslave the turret so you can group fire all weapons at once?
Would you be able to do a similar review of the sentinel?
Like I said in the video pal, I am going to every ship. This is the start in a new series (that's why a new playlist was created) and It's going to cover every ship, ground vehicle, people passport whatever the verse has to offer.
Best one for soloplay is def the Sentinel variant (for now, that e-war is not a thing), as it's the most agile fo the three, light fighters ain't a worry. You only get x2 S2 on the manned turret though, but it's for solo gameplay anyway...
Ok, once you fire off those three torps, you're flying a Warden. ;-)
Albeit with a bit less acceleration (WHY?) and a slightly beefier turret (I guess I'll take it...)
@@Werepie not just a beefier turret, but also more armor.
pvp id recomend quad s2 repeaters with the gimbaled rhino for the vastly superior velocity
Buy size 5 Stalker torpedoes at Grim Hex to overcome the restock bug.
I'd get it if I liked the looks because it's a great ship but I just hate the way it looks. Hope RSI or Drake comes with a competitor.
RSI kinda did with the Scorpius
The only thing I dislike about the Harbinger is that they changed it from a railgun on the nose to the crappy laser canon…. Was really let down at that change
Oh, can you not swap it out?
@@poncedr oh you absolutely can, but it’s now a “mass driver” which is technically similar, but not what I was sold on. I’m just not picking honestly, it’s a lovely ship all the same
Bed alone makes it worth it. How many _true_ fighters in SC have a bed?
Eh nope, the Sentinel is the same aUEC cost as the Harbs, and is better manuvering. The Harbingers s5 CS torpedoes are bugged since 3.17, and cannot be swapped for EM versions, so you are stuck with CS torpedoes that may not lock in high background environments, like the debris fields in Hurston. I prefer the Sentinel over the Harbs in a dogfight, and a Constellation Taurus over both - it has better guns, bigger shields, bigger cargo, can carry an ursa rover, and you can take hauling and ERT bounty hunting.
Sentinal: MAX PITCH/YAW/ROLL 32 / 32 / 120 deg/s, Harbinger: MAX PITCH/YAW/ROLL 32 / 32 / 120 deg/s
@@Stewey I’ve flown both, harbs not as nimble ua-cam.com/video/HR8_4hWmlGY/v-deo.html
I can't wait until we can slave the turrets to the pilot controls. I will probably never leave my Vanguards. I hate have these turrets on the heavy fighters. I'd rather have control over the turret and drop those hardpoints to size two if it means that my wingman is in his own Vanguard with the same loadout flying next to me. I already solo VHRTs and ERTs with my Sentinel or my Haribinger without those gus active on top. Imagine what 6 Harbingers, a pilot only each, could do with that payload and that compliment of guns. Literally half a squadron could go hunting capital ships and rip them apart. Screw the crew AI nonsense CIG, just write the two lines of code needed to slave the turret to me!
You can only slave turrets to pilot controls if they are REMOTE with a blade. Vanguard Turrets are man powered.
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Do the Redeemer next! Please.
honestly considering melting my ion for one of theses
At this point in the game, that’s the right choice
I disagree and you may need to revisit this. I will happily try take on a harb in a gladius, it handles like a pig. However a sentinel is a real threat with it's emp because you can't knife fight, you just get shut down.
Also the size 5 and cannons is very much a pve choice, for pvp you need all weapons to have the fastest uniform velocity to get rounds on target.
Facts.
Harbs was great for PVP when it could carry Scimitar V EM torpedos that have an insane minimum lock range of 50m, so you’d never miss, and one shot a light fighter who though you were flying too close. Now it’s torpedo load out is locked on stock CS Stalker V.
Does it have a bed?
yep
Vanguard isn't unbalanced, the front and back shield means any ship capable of out-manoeuvring it can slip round the side and focus fire to destroy the turret / directly attack the hull assuming your opponent's flight skill and ship spec allows said weakness to be exploited. Granted NPC AI isn't smart enough to do that, but the Vanguard's firepower will only allow yourself to bully your way through certain scenarios before you'd essentially be playing on hard mode without choosing a better ship for the task.
It's just like bleed in Elden Ring, an easy crutch to artificially inflate your capabilities to the level of more effective methods that require a higher skill level to achieve the same (or greater) results. As heavy fighters go it's definitely a good ship, but it doesn't have enough firepower to tangle with the likes of an Ares or F8 nor would it win against a well piloted Scorpius.
I don't fly a Vanguard so I have no "dog in the fight" that people might assume if I'm against a ship being nerfed, but I've fought quite a few in PvP and never found myself to be at a distinct disadvantage. I loathe the mentality of "easier to get the comparable results = overpowered and gets nerfed" because it just renders more things unusable or non-competitive for people with a higher skill level. People who can use alternative options to better effect but the effectiveness of the thing in question (Vanguard in this case) remains capped due to a lower skill ceiling but also a lower effectiveness ceiling.
If you disagree and you've fought / won against the ships I've mentioned, to put it bluntly they were just terrible pilots...
That's not how "front-back" shields work, just a failing with how the current shield MFD display communicates shield status to us
They're actually two hemispheres with full coverage between them. Sort of a halfway point between the omni-directional "bubble" of small ships and the "quadrant" shields on larger craft
You can check this with a trusted friend, or by going on foot (or EVA) and blasting the shields with small arms.
No the vanguard`s are not better than every thing else, they are not particually good at pvp, they are more for pve and bigger ships, they are easy to hit. They are good at what they do and nothing more. Long range escort heavy fighter... try fighting 2 light fighters if you are 2 in the vangaurd or just one if you solo it...