Davey Graham - She Moved Through The Fair
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2020
- From ABC (British) TV programme Hullabaloo, 2nd November 1963. Introduction by Rory McEwen.
This was the first outing for Graham's new DADGAD tuning - in fact CGCFGC, capo on 2 making it DADGAD (slightly sharp of concert).
Seated behind him, Martin Carthy on the left (with McEwen's 12-string) and Long John Baldry on the right, both regular guests on the show. The band watching on stage is Cyril Davies' All-Stars, the residents.
A lot of electric/jazz players tend to refer to Django Reinhart for a guitar influence. As a guitarist in the folk baroque category, that person I refer to is Davy Graham. He wrote the book.
Absolute cock, he was just a folkie who explored beyond the normal length of beard other folkies would have had a at the time
What the heck - how have I never heard of this guy before - this was in 1963? Outstanding!
teacher of Bert Jansh and John Renbourn....
I think he was an inspiration for Jimmy Page. Just saw a video about Davey using alternate tunings that Jimmy also used. This one reminds me of Jimmy's Black Mountain Slide.
Black Mountain Side is an almost note for note ripoff of Bert Jansch's arrangement of the traditional tune, and Bron Yr Stomp is Jansch's Waggoner's Lad without the banjo part @@taomaster123
You should know who he is if you're into folk guitar. He wrote Anji and invented DADGAD tuning
Page stole black mountainside from Jansch’s black waterside!
One of the greatest acoustic guitar playing clips of all time.
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Great admirer of Jimmy Page, but he should have credited Jansch and Graham on these arrangements as being the source, as well as some of the Blues guys he borrowed from. Not sure if this has been corrected as late on the song credits as my copies of Led Zep albums are from back in the day when they were issued. Graham in my view was the daddy when it came to the British Folk Guitar tradition. He blazed the trail. Never got to see him live unlike the late Jansch who as Johnny Marr rightly says is a dream-weaver.
Totally Correct.
True, true. It's worth noting, though, that Graham didn't claim this version as his own. He credited Padraic Colum before him.
That's the thing about old folks songs: no one owns them. They just borrow them for a time.
First time ever hearing Davey. Totally hear Black Mountain Slide here. 👍
Absolutely, couldn't agree more.
Intro of Led Zeppelin song Over the Hills and Far Away sounds like this song
That low end note bending has me thinking about Richard Thompson
He was way familiar with the Oud
A brilliant clip. You know, what we really need is for the guys who made that Bert Jansch Transcribed book to do one for Davy Graham... (hint, hint) ;)
Ha! Good idea! Speaking as chief transcriber for the Bert book, however, I suggest you pester the publishers! (I'm told Bert vol.2 is in the pipeline, Hal Leonard this time, and I have all the tunes ready ... but these things take months... :-(. )
@@Jonpriley Great to hear that there will be a second volume of Bert anyway - I'll look out for that...
@@drwolftickets7473 Me too !!
@@Jonprileydid this second song book for Bert ever happen mate?
@@Kunningstunts www.musicroom.com/bert-jansch-bert-transcribed-the-bert-jansch-hl00403259 😀
Did Jimmy Page ever acknowledge ripping off Davey Graham, especially this song!? "She Moved Through the Fair" is a traditional folk song, but Page sure ripped off Davey's interpretation as well as Pentangle guitarist Bert Jansch's interpretation of this same song. Page simply renamed this song, he called it "Black Mountainside", he also took writing credit!
see my comment and link to another instance where Page ripped off Graham even more notably without credit.
Dang jimmy page looks different in this clip....right
Jimmy Page stole this note for note for "White Summer".
It's not note for note by any means, but his version is clearly based on this arrangement. And also, Davy Graham himself credited his arrangement to Padraic Colum.
No one owns these traditional folk songs. They only borrow them from a time.
He keeps that foot moving.
Who was the person with the 12 string guitar at the end?
That's presenter Rory McEwen. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_McEwen_(artist)
Indeed, the same 'person' one sees at the very beginning. I know, it's very difficult to pay attention for the entire 3 minutes und 19 whole seconds.
The Irish tradition is that they came to Ireland from Israel by way of Spain as one of the lost tribes.
That sounds like a Catholic Christian tradition (biblical legend)! Graham's angle was more about affinity between British and Irish folk traditions and North African (Arabic/Islamic) traditions: the lute being an Arab instrument originally (l' oud). and guitar-like instruments were common in most European folk cultures. Guitars went to America with European settlers, where they met the African-derived banjo. DADGAD is more like "mountain minor" banjo tuning than Oud tuning. So what he's doing here is tuning a Spanish instrument like an American instrument, to play an Irish folk song in North African style! 😀
Led Zeppelin!
Martin McCarthy behind him
Indeed - looking after McEwen's 12-string for him, as I said in my comments. 😉 Carthy was a frequent guess on the show, although he didn't actually perform on this episode. Graham was busy this week, though: as well as this solo, he backed Long John Baldry on one tune, and Jill Freeman and Shirley Bland on another.
Sounds like a riff that Led Zeppelin used
It's pretty well known that Page stole this arrangement and renamed it - claiming composer credit (and royalties) on what was a traditional folk tune, let alone Graham's original arrangement - but I only found out recently that he actually recorded it with the Yardbirds, before Led Zeppelin: ua-cam.com/video/iF8f234sLio/v-deo.html
@@Jonpriley OMG ...... Pretty much a direct rip by Jimmy Page. Of course, at that point, stuff was more freely passed around with no credit given. (Interesting that the comments have been turned off on the Yardbirds version.)
Well, Page also lifted an arrangement that Bert Jansch wrote for Blackwater Side, renamed it Black Mountainside, and claimed songwriting credit. Led Zeppelin was pretty much a cover band, not much material was original.
it is
Page ripped it for "White Summer" and Bert Jansch for "Black Moutainside".
I've always wondered if there was a young & impressionable ,James Patrick Page lurking in the shadows, on this mesmeric evening: *_ua-cam.com/video/AkrDMmtQJFc_/v-deo.html*
It's quite possible. Page had played occasionally with Cyril Davies' All-Stars the year before this - and Davies's band were residents on Hullabaloo, so he could well have tagged along to the Midlands studios where the program was made. I must check through the footage on the rest of the DVD, see if I can spot a familiar face.... (even that kid to the right of McEwen in the intro? not curly enough?)
@@Jonpriley Jimmy's mum was pure Irish-celt & Robert's mum was Romanichal Traveller [" My mother was a gypsy, and she had a lot of dark blood in her..."] - so I can certainly see how *_'She Moved Through the Fair"_* , would have stirred an aching nostalgia deep in the DNA of both of them ...I think I'm circa 10% Irish [ grandma was a Dynan ] & this song always gets me back on the usquebaugh bottle, every time I hear it - which is often.... *_ua-cam.com/video/hTb0_TfUnEk/v-deo.html.._**_._*
WHITE SUMMER
This too was stolen by Jimmy Page. Not just the SONG but the ARRANGEMENT.
Breaks my heart to have realized it but Page was one of the worst plagiarists of our times. Several egregious examples stand out: Bert Jansch's Black Water Side was ripped off completely when Page did Black Mountain Side and again when his arrangement of The Waggoners Lad was stolen for Brony Aur Stomp. Davey Grahams She Moved Through The Fair was turned into White Summer and Page had the balls to confabulate a story that he "learned Eastern Music styles while backpacking through India" which was precisely how Graham went on to innovate the DADGAD sitar style tuning Page ripped off. Jake Holme's Dazed and Confused was note for note theft. Breeden's lovely arrangement of the folk ballad Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, the Willie Dixon, the Howling Wolf, all of it stolen. It is clear that Page and his lawyers took the "fuck em, let em sue us" approach to doing business. The chickens are coming home to roost. Read this piece and go to the sources. It's an eye opener. alanwalkerart.com/wp/?tag=bert-jansch
No argument from me! Just a point of fact: DADGAD was inspired by Graham's travels in Morocco, not India, and is actually closer to American banjo tunings than it is to the Arabic oud. But it helped him make the point that presenter McEwen mentions in his intro: that Arabic and Celtic traditional musics have much in common (modality, basically) and both traditions travelled to America in a kind of two-pronged diaspora, linked by the banjo (based on African instruments), North African (Sudanese) traditions informing the blues of course. White and black folk musics cross-fertilizing 😉.
As for Page - playing devil's advocate! - you could say he was simply following a grand old folk tradition in taking existing tunes and doing them his way. The issue is not so much commercial rip-off (although obviously that muddies the waters), but acknowledgment of sources. That was his great sin. Any other musician following that tradition is always (or should be!) concerned to name sources and influences.
He wasn't the only guilty party in those days. Paul Simon and Bob Dylan both ripped off Martin Carthy, without acknowledgment - but at least Dylan was creative with Martin's arrangement of Scarborough Fair and the other traditional English tunes he "borrowed"; that was a genuine folk tradition. But Page deserves his notoriety for going somewhat further than either of them, and doing it somewhat cynically.
Spot on he is a great musician but an absolute disgrace. Since I've Been Loving You - Moby Grape "Never". ( They even got the words wrong). Stairway a rip from intro of Taurus by Spirit.
this is a traditional song, so it don't have a master. And yes, some Page's things are very similar, but Davey Graham is well known as the first to recall the british folk and the DADGAD tuning and as teacher of Renbourn and Jansh. DADGAD was defined by Page as "the CIA tuning"...not Central Inteligence Agency, but Celtic, Indian, Arabic. Good for all.
@@francodaros Even if Page claimed he didn't steal arrangements from Davey Graham and Bert Jansch, that's not the point, *Page obviously ripped off these traditional songs, then claimed he'd was the composer.* It was the same with the Led Zeppelin songs with lyrics, Robert Plant claimed he was the lyricist of Black American Blues songs. *Led Zeppelin certainly accepted all the royalties for songs/lyrics which weren't theirs.*
@@francodaros Page was a brilliant guitarist, but an obvious plagiarist. Still wondering why the late Randy California's family didn't win the case for Spirit's song "Taurus", which Page definitely 'borrowed' for "Stairway To Heaven". Did the jury have their hearing aids turned off during the trial?!