Frieren episode 20 reaction and commentary: Necessary Killing
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- The Frieren reaction and commentary series continues with episode 20, Necessary Killing.
In Frieren episode 20, Necessary Killing, Frieren and Denken's clash in a battle to exchange their best magic...al exposition.
Frieren Synopsis: Necessary Talking
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lol goodwin ive been around for a while here and you've talked about the infamous psychology professor incident multiple times in videos before. i laughed out loud when you started ranting about it again. bro is the no. 1 hater of traditional school rules.
Lmao oh no 😂 Multiple times you say... That's alarming
to be fair its been a long time since you last mentioned it. i know for sure youve talked about it at least two times before now. @@AGoodwinTV
I have horrid memory problems so I was confused as to what story you were talking about since I've watched a lot of videos and then he started telling it and it came back immediately lmao
"can't resist flashback" 😭😂 so funny coz it's true lol
Love them naming the earth bender "richter" like the richter scale
you're really gonna say 'Necessary Talking', mr. Yaptube? :P
kidding, love the reaction :)
can't wait for more discussions on the following episodes!
Denken, my favorite secundary character.
8:10 😅 Let the Philosophical Rant begin … no need for a separate channel - My Thoughts on Schooling … Anime is the ultimate revelation.
You're being quite critical of the exam, but I think these are fair criticisms and I'm still enjoying your reactions. After hearing your personal stories about school, it makes your opinions pretty understandable and I agree with them.
I do think think that once you get to know their boss, Serie, it makes a lot of sense why the first class mage exams were made with this weird exclusivity in mind.
I'm curious about what you will think of the 2nd exam and it's proctor.
I've had professors who didn't care for their students attendances, so long they showed up for the tests (twice a semester or so) and minded all the deadlines for projects and other activities, but I've also had professors who would penalize you greatly if you didn't comply to all their rules. I personally cannot function at home. I need to be in the class so that I can get into the studying mood. I've always tried to do the most activities I could in class, for I knew that whatever activities/exercises I didn't do then wouldn't be done afterwards. I've been this way since school. However, I do acknowledge that there are people like you who are self-sufficient and can get the things done (and done well) by themselves and I've always felt bad for them when we had that second type of professors. Therefore I am not in any way trying to defend your professor, nor invalidating your experiences and feelings. I just want to tackle a very specific point you made during your rant that seemed a bit short-sighted in the general sense: when you said "if we have an objective and I accomplish that objective, why should I be penalized for not doing things how you wanted?" Again, I'm not trying to invalidate you, but this particular argument is a bit shallow.
So, we've seen Haikyuu, and there we had Kita telling us how the process is more important than the results and how said results are but a byproduct of the process. And from someone who studied to become a Physics teacher (to high school students), I also have been taught that the process (that being the resolution of an exercise, for instance) is more important that the final result (the final answer for said exercise) for it is in the process that lie the student's reasonings.
Let's say I hand a student a test and they only give me the final answers for the questions. How can I know how they got to these answers? Did they cheat or used other unethical means, how could I tell? Or, if they wrote down the wrong math/method and somehow (be it a miscalculation of the wrong math or just pure coincidence)got the right answer, I can't mark it correct because even though they did get the right answer for this particular question, it won't work for the others.
I know these examples were pretty far from a college elective psychology class, but _maybe_ the professor deemed that the process (i.e the system, and, in your case, the attendance count) were more important than the goal (that being you aceing your tests). Maybe the professor wanted to make sure their students were able to commit to an appointment, or that the students would show their interest/attention explicitly to others, or maybe the professor was just that distrustful of their student's morals (idk, I'm just playing the Devil's advocate and making up some plausible excuses).
Sorry for the long post, but just let me finish it stating once more that I don't intent to belittle nor invalidate your experience and feelings about this occurrence, nor do I want to defend the professor specifically. I just thought that the argument "I got to the right answer, so why does it matters the process" isn't a good one and wanted to provide a different perspective. :)
Oooff hitting me with the Haikyuu analogies! 😂
Thanks for the perspective. I think we're mostly in agreement.
I think the fundamental question is what is the teacher trying to teach? As you mentioned, for math, the processing ability is perhaps more important than the right answer. That's completely understandable, and tests or assignments should reflect that ability. Perhaps that could also be the case for social sciences if you are making an argument that you need to support. That could be an essay or something like that.
Ultimately the teacher designs the curriculum and the exams, and hopefully they're reflective of the underlying educational goal.
Now, what personally gets to me is when the thing the teacher is trying to test for ISN'T the subject, but some kind of life, personality, or respect thing.
Because maybe the teacher knows a lot about math or biology or what have you but what credentials did they receive that makes them more qualified than me to teach me how to be a "good person," etc.
A counter argument would be that school isn't actually about knowledge learning, but learning how to participate in the work force (punctuality, deference to the boss, etc). But that seems like it's sort of trojan-horsed in there underneath the surface aim of "education."
I too thought Wirbel was gonna job but nope, he's more than just a guy getting killed to show how badass Ubel is.
I agree with you, the sentence "luck is a skill" caught me by surprise. No it isn't, luck is literally everything that is *not* a skill. Sense disagrees with her colleague though, the proctors are not all of one mind about this.
you thought a guy with white hair would be used as fodder? heh, you're a beginner.
@@ellie7252 Sometimes, a cool-looking guy is used in that way. Generic looks are for fodder, but cool-looks can be used for strong jobbers which aren't quite the same thing.
Wirbel didn't look like fodder, but he did look like a potential jobber.
@@Arkayjiya In pro wrestling term, it's 'jobber to the stars'. A top/mid level guy who destroy regular jobbers but lose to the real stars. A believable threat to the main characters. Their job is to make the stars look good
@@ellie7252 gojo got used as fodder though 🗿
luck is a skill. People with no luck tend to think otherwise
Yeah I agree with your take on the whole test. I've seen a lot of people defend the concept of dangerous tests as first class mages are relied upon to do some of the most dangerous tasks in the world. But this ridicoulous. We don't make special forces kill eachother in a giant arena to see who survives. You want a dangerous test? Fine. Make them go fight monsters that are threatening a town. Make the risk serve some higher purpose. Also take steps to minimize deaths among those who fail.
Beyound that it's not even a good way of determining who are the strongest mages among them. Some of the strongest mages taking this test would have died during the first exam if the people they were fighting hadn't chosen to spare them. And sometimes you just have a bad match up.
Killing each other is not mandatory to succeed whatsoever. That's why it's an exam. Theoretically all participants could've passed, there's more than enough Stille for everyone.
Of course, the way the test is setup would lead to fighting between the participants because Genau is kind of an asshole. But the only explicitly dangerous thing that was put there on purpose are the big birds.
Just to be clear, I agree that Genau's test is dogshit, but the way it plays out tells as much about the contestants as it does the proctor.
It's not a *good* way, I don't think anyone has said that, but it is *a* way, and this is a relatively violent, tyrannical, medieval society with highly stratified social classes. It's not out of place.
20 min reaction. A Philosophical Rant in the middle ig lmao
Haha you've figured me out 😂
That's what we paid for
lol I relate to your rant about school. I was one of the very few in my class to pass the AP History test but but nearly failed the actual class because I hardly ever did homework.
How can you understand history if you didn't fill in ***sheets of paper***
Going to an elite college in my country, I have never wanted to disassociate with the individuals there more. They were smart, they were intelligent, they were hard working but they were also people who were playing into the broken and corrupt systems of our country for their individual gains instead of changing it for the better. While a teacher may not be necessary for things someone is passionate about, but for those who come from low resource and privileged family, I think a good teacher can go a long way. I have personally had experience with a great teacher that helped me out and I have tried to emulate that for my students as well and have been fortunate enough to get the same love back. But I still agree, the school system is broken, for an infrastructure that was supposed to guide enlightened individuals, it's only producing cogs for an already broken world machine
Well that was a mood. I’ve had the same. Loved math. Wrote a 200 page math book. Super good at it. Just not in the way school wanted. They sucked all joy out of it and I failed all my exams, despite having literally written a book about those subjects like a year ago lmao. Education is dumb.
You’re awesome!
Bro got all caught up on the exam aspect having Nam flashbacks 😂 I mean that's the least important thing
*gunfire noises intensify
You keep using terms like "student" and "teacher" but there is nothing about learning happening here. This is a test, and while most tests happen in school, this is not about teaching a skill. They aren't learning to be better mages, they are trying to show that they already are the best mages.
Yes, this isn't a final exam it's a professional licensure certification. The people running this aren't a medical school, they're the AMA.
Don't worry there were comments about this on the previous episode, so it's already known by Goodwin.
It might not be a huge revelation, but it's interesting how one's experiences color their world view. In my experience, my professors were one of my favorite parts of college. I don’t think I ever found any professors adversarial; quite the opposite, usually. There were more than a few that I found friendly and accommodating. I don’t know. There are definitely problems with the higher education system, but I've never thought of professors (as a whole, at least) as the crux of the problem. Maybe I'm wrong, or naive, though.
I don't think professors are the problem entirely. While Goodwin has gripes about his professors, reasonably so. A lot of the problems end up coming down to very very bad and archaic infrastructure. Infrastructures that goes against everything that is supposed to be the core of gaining knowledge. Because in my experience, schools and colleges aren't really trying to teach anymore, they feel like a production firm for people to get into jobs inspite of what those people would have excelled in. It's far too streamlined and serves an already broken capitalistic machine
@doubleasworkshop1692 Again, not really my experience, but I do think it's more than fair to have your gripes. There's a lot that can be improved (sometimes exceedingly so), but I think there's a lot of good too. I guess I'll leave it there. I'm sorry if I'm coming off extraneously argumentative or biligerent. That is not my intent. I hope you have a good rest of your week.
I had a lot of great professors as well! There were classes that profoundly changed and shaped my thinking and life for the better. So it's not that professors or school are inherently bad, it's that I think having a clear goal in mind is important. Who or what is the class/school for? Is it for "School™" or for the professor or is it for the student's betterment?
I think my favorite professors differed in their methodology, but all shared a similar baseline of intent about what they were doing. For the worst of them it was an ego exercise.
But since ultimately school and it's infrastructure are not something the student has much say over, I think being conscious of one's own goal and being discerning about what doesn't and doesn't matter, and playing an active role in one's own development instead of just "I am doing my part by attending school™ can be useful, as it is generally in all things.
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While I agree most of what you said, there is zero schooling in this situation. None of these mages are students trying to pass a school exam. It's an exam to show that you're strong enough to navigate and guide others through a very dangerous region of the world. That said, there's no point in making them kill each other imo. Just fail them, raise the stakes, so they can get better.
while i mostly agree with your point ofview on education, the situation here is a bit different.
Those mages are perfetly aware that signing up fr 1st classe exam is dangerous, and only a minimal part of the applicants pass, it is also by no mean a mandatory thing, you could just enjoy your life as a third class mage and never have to risk your life on this test, the proctors here are also not supposed to serve as teacher, but merely certify whether or not the applicants are worthy of the title of first class mage, in that regard Genau is not wrong, anyone who would get killed by that white bird is not qualified to be a first class mage.
Now i also agree that it would be better to find a way that minimizes casualties, but clearly some of those mages here are way out of their league taking this exam, even tho the association warns the applicants.
Also Serie the goat is here: hype
14:54 the thing is, you know Frieren, she doesn't have that kind of sense.
Lol Goodwin getting youtube Frieren normie hate for disliking how the exam is setup even though the show itself is clearly insinuating the exam sucks.
So imagine a test for a doctor to become a neurosurgeon. But if they fail they lose their medical license for the rest of their lives. That’s essentially what these deadly tests are doing.
Like yeah those who die in the test don’t deserve to be first class mages. But they still would have been good second or third class ones.
I understand the education rant about this but, they’re not here to learn anything and they’re not being taught anything either.
Most of them just want that one wish privilege or in the case of Frieren basically gain a passport so she can travel to the north without having to pay for an escort.
The one wish thing was something I continuously forgot about, but does make it all make sense.
I feel like Assassination Classroom would be a trip for you, considering how it portrays education.
Please, god, no.
This is up there with one of the longest recommended shows that I have yet to watch :D
Your take on the test has many points I agree with if it was in the real world but in the context of the show's test it's a bit different. This test isn't like a final that is part of a curriculum where someone taught you something and you are supposed to show your mastery of it. It's an optional test that checks to see if you have what it takes to stand up against opponents like Aura, Qual, and whatever else the Demon King had in his army. It's not there to coddle people because the purpose of the test relates to life, death, and the fight against demons. People who take this test are already supposed to be competent. If they can't even handle the monster birds in the area or whatever task the instructors asks, how are they supposed to handle demons who are smart and use magic? Sure, being selective makes it become a secret club but this isn't based on popularity, wealth, or other superficial factors. It's will you be able to survive against demons strong enough to stand by the side of the demon king.
It hasn't been long since the demon king lost and as shown in the show, the remaining demons are already starting to move again causing conflicts all over the place. There is no time to relax and lower the standard when demons can attack at any time.
I don't have any issue with it being highly selective. In fact if the test is designed for a very clear and specific purpose, yet 0 pass, I wouldn't have an issue. The problem with the exam for me is the seemingly arbitrary nature of a lot of its design. You can have a test that is highly selective (based on talent, not on trying to keep things exclusive) that also doesn't incentivize killing fellow examinees. "Difficulty" is a convenient catch all but difficulty itself does not prove it's a well made exam.
your takes on the exam and school is interesting. in one way i think youre right. people who can achieve great things will achieve them and it doesnt matter what their teacher is like or if they have to take a magic exam to go to a different country, theyll get there. in another breath i feel like at least in frierens case shes so above it all that it doesnt matter that she conforms because shes going to get the correct things from the experience as a whole because shed obviously pass regardless of good teammates (teachers) or bad ones. but then you are also right that you pay a shit ton of money to that school and sink all your time into the way the institute wants you to conform so can you actually be above it if they are directly profiting off of your conformity. you can feel above something and like you are gaining your own experience but it doesnt change the fact them bitches are putting you into years and years of debt. at least you had fun? i dunno.
You make a great point. I think one of the reasons I care to talk about school at all is I learned the hard way that "going to school" is not a solution to anything really by itself. As always, it will be about you and what you do with the thing. A motivated, focused, deliberate person will go to school and crush it and get what they need out of it. My advice to students is to go to school and take selfishly. It's supposed to be there for you. For me this also means avoiding the traps of things that are not designed with your best interests at heart. Though there's an argument to be made that the best strategy is to just play the game.
Its not even school man, chill, they take certification willingly despite the risk
Wow i'm early for once
nice
Down with the traditional school methodology. I've always hated the way they manage stuff like that. I know I'm going to HATE a class when the teacher has some of the classroom talking and they'll sit on their desk and say "I won't teach until you shut up, I'm getting paid either way". Like yeah, no, you're not meant to act like that's a good thing, you're just showing that despite your ability to teach or whether you do it at all will end up with you benefitting off of it.
I just finished one of the most frustrating 4-month cycle (it's not a semester because those are 6 months, i just dont know what they're called), one of my classes was learning how to use HTML, and his "method" of "teaching" was making us copy stuff like electricity bills into HTML and make them look as close as possible to the original thing, and one of the final exam's biggest gimmick was a topic we NEVER actually learned in depth, he just mentioned it once in class and the rest didn't matter. Then he said it's because we had to "investigate on our own".
Some other classes were just as bad, and actually made a lot of the students lose the motivation and excitement for the subjects.
I think the absolute worst part of the school method are written exams, those who encourage memorizing more than actual learning. Remembering concepts instead of knowing how to apply them. It's like the difference between following a recipe and knowing WHY the recipe works like that, exams should be practical, some way to apply the knowledge you're learning throughout the course.
I think one sticking point might be holding onto the idea that the kingdom they live in is supposed to be a good one. It's clearly not, at all. It's not outright "Evil" in the Demon King sense, but we have plenty of evidence that it's terrible in the way that real medieval societies often were. Extremely callous. Only the lives of high status people have any value. The fact that it's awful is not very relevant to people living in small towns and villages, or to an elf wandering the hinterlands with a disinterest in politics and power, so we just haven't seen much of it until now.
In terms of school or education, I think it goes too far to say that infrastructure doesn't matter at all.
tbf i dont think goodwin said this
I think the extreme of "school isn't working so get rid of it" is just as bad maybe worse. It persists for a reason, probably a really important one. But institutions also have a way of drifting from their original goal. Sometimes the focus becomes perpetuating the institution and its ways, rather than whatever service it set out to provide originally.
I think that the analogy to school exams is wrong. The goal of the exam is simply to filter mages.
Also I strongly disagree with your last part. While in the end it does come down to your individual skill and persistence, having access to an established network through uni and professors is a huge benefit in a lot of areas.
It probably varies widely based on why the student goes to school, what they study, and what they do with their resources. It will definitely be the right choice for a lot of people. But school isn't the right or best choice just because it's the common one.
First time to disagree...
Which part? 😂
@@AGoodwinTV Same. and all of it.