Mysticism with James Tunney
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2024
- James Tunney, LLM, is an Irish Barrister who has lectured on legal matters throughout the world. He is a poet, a visual artist, and also author of The Mystical Accord: Sutras to Suit Our Times, Lines for Spiritual Evolution. In addition, he has written two dystopian novels -- Blue Lies September, and Ireland I Don't Recognize Who She Is. His website is www.jamestunney....
Here he describes mysticism as a quest for understanding the meaning of life and the nature of the true self. He agrees with the Perennial Philosophy tradition that the core of mysticism is, essentially, the same in all cultures. He maintains that all mystics understand that they are spiritual beings and that this awareness unites people of all cultures. He sees scientism as a cultural force that is antagonistic to mysticism.
New Thinking Allowed host, Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, is author of The Roots of Consciousness, Psi Development Systems, and The PK Man. Between 1986 and 2002 he hosted and co-produced the original Thinking Allowed public television series. He is the recipient of the only doctoral diploma in "parapsychology" ever awarded by an accredited university (University of California, Berkeley, 1980).
(Recorded on January 16, 2020)
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The best description of Mysticism i have heard. Love listening to James insights. Watched all his talks. Great guest and channel. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thankful for these interviews! Good stuff
GREAT work. Real impressed.
Lovely, wide-ranging and a delight. Thanks, yet again, Jeffrey for finding such an excellent guest.
Wonderful - thank you.
Never heard of James Tunney before, as an Irish person I"m surprised! I will definitely check out his work. Thanks for this great conversation!
Hurray, more conversations to come with Dr.Tunney!!!!
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@@NewThinkingAllowed Thank you, sir!
Lovely, wide-ranging, fluid chat, with Jeffrey gently questioning in a way which keeps broadening the discussion -- and James rising to the challenge.
I'm glad James wear different shirts in each show, its a good way to remember which ones I have seen!
Excellent. One of the Best . So beautifully and clearly explained
Great interview Jeffery, I love your work, and I also love love love James Tunney, would listen to him for hours so much information to absorb 💖
Brilliant!!! The best conversation I have heard here yet! Thank you both
It would be wonderful if you were to interview with Jeffrey!
@@helenebuntman6082 yes please🙋♀️ agreed!
James is incredible.... the breadth and depth of his knowledge and how he communicates it ... just amazing, and Jeffrey thank you for all these interviews, you do a wonderful job
Great conversation! He’s also very easy on the ears and eyes!❤
Played this on a long drive, expecting a voice for the journey... but was I mesmerized by the genius of this guest! This is my third view, and I think I need a couple more to completely get the message. Thank you again Jeffrey Mishlove. (On a light note, what a handsome fellow!!) 😁
So much wisdom and truth spoken, i am feeling high...thank you 🙏
Have you made it to the "endless coincidence" state of mind yet?
@@501promo since 3 days i am in this constant state of awareness, it feels like this endless message of love, All is heaven scent, how did you know?
@jenny tettero - "how did you know?"
Keep going and I believe you will soon have the answer to that question :)
I just found out why,... it is the most beautifull song...how did you know..
The most beautifull gift i have in my life
Thanks buddy love these interviews
What a joy to listen to this conversation, thank you🌸 both
Well said my brother. 🎉
What a thrill it was listening to this conversation as I made a big pot of soup on a Sunday morning. I listened to it twice and enjoyed it thoroughly, both times. (It was a very large pot of soup.) Thank you both for such a lovely morning. 🙏🏼🥰🥰🙏🏼
Lovely, wide-ranging, fluid and delightful conversation.... But on the real - amazing approach to this material; a bit how a lawyer would, but still a good synthetic perspective on mysticism as a whole. Mr. Jeffery you are a giant!!!!
I feel like the dark night of the soul is akin to being red-pilled. You realize that the paradigm you grounded yourself within doesn't exist, or changes, or doesn't support you anymore.
One of the finest conversations.
Thank you!!! This has got to be one of my favorite NTA interviews. It covered so much so ground and so very eloquently. How glad I am you have more interviews with James Tunney to come. I laughed out loud when he said, "In comic books we see the mad scientist. It's ubiquitous!" Then Jeffrey added, "The intellect getting carried away with itself." Next, Tunney leans towards Jeff with an expression of utter marvel in his face and exclaims, "And the ego!"
Wow! Great interview! Thank you James and Jeffrey.
Thank you for introducing me to Mr. Tunney. 👍
excellent discussion! thank you
James Tunney is a great guest. Looking forward to more interviews with him.
James is such a knowledgeable guest. I wish I could have a chat with him.
Excellent, if only there were more switch on humans like this gentleman. People need to do all the research, that this man has before they past judgement, thank you.
wonderful interview
Wonderful 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🥰
Best Guest !
So excited to watch a new video.
Watching again.
What a great conversations, how interesting. So many topics and individuals I would have never heard of thanks to you and your channel.
Simply EXCELLENT!!! 💗💗💗💗😁
As always, thank you! Satisfying for the soul ❤️🙏🏼
Oh my, this is a total gem !!!
Great interview.
Nice talk. Thank you. I descend directly from woodland Native Americans and Quaker founders of New Haven CT. Maybe my path is to connect with each spiritual tradition. Again, thanks. I learned quite a lot.
Great talk, thank you so much
Excellent conversation, I am looking forward to your next conversation with Mr Tunney!!!
Wonderful interview. Thank you both.
This discussion is so erudite and engaging! A real gem in the Thinking Allowed series. Thank you Jeffrey and James!
Great. Look forward to your further discussions together.
One of the best talks on your channel in quite a while, Jeff. I'm going to rewatch this one again for sure.
Such a great talk. Love it.
Love your work jeff, cant wait for more tunney and jorjani conversations 👍
Great interview! These ones are the reason im subscribed. Thanks again jeff.
Wonderful interview ................loved it.
OMG one of the best interviews I have ever seen! Kudos to both of you! Please keep this deep and hi quality stuff coming !!!
Excellent ❤
Nice and educated gentleman!!!
Another great discussion and interesting observations. We tend to want instant enlightenment, but there are no shortcuts. I think it’s more like the point made in the film A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood, that saints aren’t just born; you have to work at it, and I would add facing your own demons.
Gentlemen greatly appreciated. I found this conversation as if it happened in a blink. Leaving me deeply reassured wanting to hear more. Brilliant interview.
I love this channel! Such a great place to expand! Thank you for being!
thank you so much Jeffrey and James, this was a great discussion cant wait for the next one...
beautiful.
One word: Brilliant.
Great discussion. I'm adding his book to my list of books to buy this month! Thanks!
I bought it too!
Brilliant interview, Jeffrey! Lots of interesting things were raised in this one. Thanks so much for doing what you do!
I've always felt deep down that compassion is what frees humans eventually. Not love not self sacrifice none of that. Because you can have compassion and really extend a helping hand to fellow creatures, human or animal or nature in general, without loving them truly. Love is very different from compassion. Maybe it's more challenging to be compassionate than loving.
Quite the serendipitous guest and discussion for me. I'll not bother explaining.
If anyone is interested in working on themselves after watching this, I would suggest Bnei Baruch's FREE Kabbalah course. Just don't drink the Kool-Aid Rav. Laightman is serving and, you get a great course in ego, compassion and spiritual growth. It can be extremely helpful.
Fantastic stuff.
@14:13 - This ties into things like the Hopi prophecy and the White Buffalo Calf woman, both of which indicate that we of European descent had our own tribal, indigenous tradition but that we generally lost our way; many of us are now reclaiming that. The Hopi prophecy especially speaks very accurately about native European symbols and how these were co-opted by Christianity. The cross within a circle (i.e. our native solar symbols and those similar to the Native American medicine wheel) versus the cross not within a circle. If the Hopi saw Whites coming with the latter, then they were told to be aware because those Whites would have lost their way and were on an imperialist quest. The late John Trudell called this mining the mind for the Machine, stressing that what happened to the Native Americans first happened to we the descendants of the tribes of Europe. Each of the races were given responsibility over a specific element - our ancestors were given those of the fire, which now manifests as technology etc. - with an overall goal of balance. I can look back in my own life when I stayed on the Pine Ridge reservation for two weeks back in my early 20s (I was into activism back then). My Lakota host told me to look within my own tribal path and me being an Abrahamic/monotheist at that time, it didn't click until nearly a decade later when I finally awakened to my own ancestral path with all its mystical implications. As teachers, the ultimate goal of these Native American elders is to remind the rest of us that we had our own traditions that were just as much animistic, shamanic, and mystical as what Native Americans were able to preserve all these centuries. Its a return to what is within us out of mutual respect and balance, not in a syncretic, inauthentic sense which we must avoid.
I agree about being able to look into and learn from other traditions, but the important thing to keep in mind is that every people at some time were descendants of tribes and had their own indigenous faiths that were tied to their own landscape and spoke to their unique folk soul and archetypes. These were often incorporated by the new monotheistic structures, such as what the Catholic Church did in my own ancestral regions (Swabia, Flanders, northwest Spain), so as to convert us to the new religion. But alot of our Paganism (a broad term simply meaning indigenous, tribal, land-based, animistic faiths) survived within our folklore and folk-traditions, even in many etymologies of words. Tunney is very right that unfortunately here in America, there is more ignorance (especially exhibited by the academics who have their own agenda anyway) about the rich, vibrant, advanced and elaborate Pagan traditions we had in Europe outside of Greece and Rome. Ours was more animistic and, although Greece and Rome originally were, there were certain degenerations in thought and structures that gradually made those two societies more rife for a monotheistic subversion. And after the Imperial institutions were merged and captured, it was turned against the rest of Europe....and then the world, but ultimately the same mind virus.
Uugghhh too gooood!💗💗
Thank you for an interesting talk! A beautiful mystical treatise not mentioned in the interview is “The Seven Valleys” by Baha’u’llah. They are the valleys of search, love, knowledge, unity, contentment, wonderment, and true poverty and absolute nothingness. It’s a short, but very profound work. Jeffrey-The Seven Valleys would be a great topic for one of your episodes.
This talk I think has maximum number of citations per minute of the discussions in this channel.
Best video yet:)
"I'm here to check you out." Hilarious.
Like it! 💜
Wow! Well put!!
James is delightful! I agree with his assertion that consciousness is fundamental in reality. It's interesting that scientists might ask for proof that there is spirit. Would they also ask for proof that mind exists? I see mind as a fruit of the tree of consciousness. He speaks of staying in ones own tradition of mysticism, but that would imply that spiritual traditions are changeless, like DNA, or tribal. Every spiritual tradition has had a beginning. If everyone had stayed within their birth tradition, then no new tradition would ever be born. History shows us that from age to age new traditions are born out of a perceived inadequacy of the older traditions, inspired by Spiritual Luminaries like Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Jesus or Muhammed. People evolved by turning to these Luminaries for inspiration and guidance. Since traditions inevitably decline and are distorted over time, it becomes necessary for a new tradition, a new Divine Luminary, to unfold and take mankind to the next stage and deal with the current spiritual problems with a fresh viewpoint. Mysticism prepares the soil of the heart to grow the virtues necessary for individual and social growth. "In the rose garden of thine heart plant naught but the rose of love," is the guidance from Baha'u'llah concerning the spiritual garden we nurture within us.
One dark night,
fired with love’s urgent longings
- ah, the sheer grace! -
I went out unseen,
my house being now all stilled.
Interesting conversation. I agree that Ayahuasca and DMT shouldn't be undertaken without proper preparation or without setting intention. It could be bad for those with underlying mental health disorders. I find psyllisybin in mushrooms a gentler way to break down material barriers. But without going to a sacred place, being with others on the same path or setting intention it's just a lot of giggling and pretty colors. No spiritual insights will be gained.
You could do one one the current political situation with also geopolitical history & also the possible future or spiritual solutions to these times of trial & intiation, you should also do a book of some of your dialogues ,twould be real interesting & help the cause
Thank you for the enlightenment!
Another great interview! Thanks for a great education! Go to Peru and do Ayahuasca! Talk about getting connected with yourself, whoa!! :)
I wonder how your trip to Peru went to do aya? Brave but such a worthwhile journey and so happy to see how many now going on it.
Great!
What does it mean to be a spiritual being? Do we really know? Is what we observe as spirit really a cognitive stimulation of senses? How far does this spiritual awareness go beyond the causal body?
I thought the thumbnail was Pierce Brosnan
The medieval concept of intelligence. The eye of the heart. Noesis.
Favorited.
OMG, this guy looks so much like the actor who plays Owen, on The Vicar of Dibley.
Jung said be careful of short cuts,to awareness..
I don't think there are any shortcuts to awareness, even with Entheogens like Ayahuasca, it still requires hard work and integration into the day to day where the real work is. Awareness is earned through practice and learning, it does not come easy.
@@Sabnock1990 very well said. You can do psychedelics for years, and make no progress. You need an integral approach.
Amen
Words are always a pale reflection of thought , so always beware of words as they may mislead you opposite to what they try to convey.
You could say I'm an anti-mystic, like the Buddha. The reason our picture of reality seems off is because our own mental activity adds things to the picture that aren't part of reality itself. If you identify those additions and set them aside, the picture you're left with is true reality.
What is the story of the sculpture in this video? What does it signify?... Hold on! I see it. 5 beings holding hands, spinning, Floating?
People who take interest in NDE stories, after listening to enough random stories throughout the world, there builds a similar pattern of wisdom across the board no matter their background and this gentleman is yet another well spoken and clearly identifiable language of wisdom (so to speak) just like the NDE-ers share strikingly similar stories, the ones who study the stories all seem to share strikingly similar beliefs (knowings) my point being, public schools should incorporate nde stories mandatory into the curriculum... instead of Social Studies. Human Studies. Atheists are just as annoying/damaging as the religious Fundamentalists. The fastest way to gain insight this fact is to hear hundreds be of non-biast random near death experience stories growing up as a kid .. I'm still a bit resentful of my forced public school waste of time. I could've just listened to the NDE-ers and spared my parents the heartache and grief that comes with a public-school-raised-mainstream- believing-young -adult psyche and it's emotional side affects. NDE's n Compassionate Mystics...Life's deepest mysteries solved! Lol ,
Sure liked your wise words here. 💫🤗
What he's describing around the 8 minute mark is using Mysticism or enlightenment as a raft. You can use it to get to the other side. but you should leave the raft unless your going to be the ferryman for a while to help others across.
"that doesn't mean we have to say, abolish the ego, become a nothing...become a jellyfish"
😂
Neverending Story...gate 2: Mirror Test (Anthroposophy)
Yes, I appreciate Mr. Tunney's point of being wary of science co-opting much from religion and mysticism and distorting or fragmenting or taking it from context. Science talks a good game but the fact is most of it ends up each generation filling up rubbish bins of half-baked nonsense. But each generation of scientists will cling desperately to whatever notions it has generated and it requires the next generation to shake free. Just like doctors -- they never change their practices regardless of what comes to be known during their careers. And scientists tend to peak very early in their careers so there remains decades of filler and defending. It's so uncool to bash science today due to the completely false dichotomy -- created by scientists -- that science is a zero sum game -- and anything that is not science is the enemy of science.
Ah Science, the cause of and the solution to, all of lifes problems. Bash away sister, they had it coming
@@michaelholohan9224 wanna dance?
@@urbanarks Well, carry on. You have my wholehearted support! Cheers.
Jeffrey please talk about levitation! I have the feeling that it is possible to levitate if you can "control or understand" the energy within you and also the energy around you... also the will plays a very important role...
Is there any knowledge you can share with me about levitation?
Greetings from Costa Rica dude
See ua-cam.com/video/jLPdWTQZ4CQ/v-deo.html
Leary was compassionate 💚
It might be a good idea and even helpful, to recommend Peter Kingsleys'' latest book set to every follower of the New Thinking Allowed...Catafalque??? His language is simple, I can understand it when he writes what I have personally learned. Sometimes in heartbreakingly common every day events that cannot logically seem to be important to me. If I tell someone they yawn. I wondered if the real secret is meant to be exposed: ? Here is the answer, imo : "My secret is for me. And its a secret that always will be 'alone to alone' in the sense that no one else is present to such intimacy". It's a Conversation between one to one .
Betty Eldridge When precious things are spoken it dilutes them - and few people are worthy of sharing them with as transformation is in its own time and they may not understand.
@@artandculture5262 I recommended Catafalque because PK has imo described the majority of what 'mysticism' is about: the process of individuation itself, Which is not what I have in mind,although that introduces the fact of such a process, through C. G. Jungs' life. PK brings out many ideas that are ignored or misunderstood by Jungian authors. And a long string of other authors. The very first mention of the Dark Night of the Soul that I met was Jeffery Mishlove's interview with John Lilly From Here to Alternity,, that was about 30 years ago. I was in my 50s. Many ideas that were unspeakable topics literally have become conversations in every day life. PK writes in depth about the most unspeakable topics that are now emerged in the planet-wide conversation about the war between the irrational (personal) and the rational mindset, the collective. Mr. Lilly also mentioned ECCO, Earth Coinicidence Control Office, which filled me with an excitement I'd never experienced at that point. "HE KNOWS! HE KNOWS! He KNOWS ABOUT THE LARGER DOMAIN!!!!!!" I felt joy of a particular kind for the first time. The next day I was in a bookstore and as I left the store my attention (which operated on its own task as I realized later) settled on a book, The Dark NIght of the Soul, and I remembered having heard the book mentioned so recently. I walked out, but after walking a block my body turned back and I bought the book. The bookstore was primarily where Swedenborgian books were sold and the reason I went there was I had attended a lecture that compared Moodys' Life after Life with Emanuel Swedenborgs 'writings and I'd purchased Heaven and Hell but hadn't opened it. And I'd only recently read a very strange (to me) book, Cosmic Consciousness by a Richard Bucke of whom I'd never read, or heard. The experiences in that book seemed to relate in a way I didn't think about until later, to a book I'd recently read: Men Who Have Walked With God by Sheldon Cheney . I read fictions almost exclusively except in school so this was an unusual book to me; , about men whose name I'd read probably but had no exposure towards. When I read the chapter on Socrates,, my mind lingered for some time on the mention that Socrates had a voice that counseled him, the 'god within that tells me about the universe', was silent when he was told he had to drink hemlock or cease influencing the young with his ideas. A god within? A voice? That tells him about the universe? As time and specific events happened in my real life, I went into therapy and noticed a book the therapist had and asked what it was about. WIlliam Glasser's Mental Health or Mental Illness. He offered to loan the book so I painfully, very painfully (it hurt to read anything then) read the book and remembered only one sentence: The same author wrote Reality Therapy and the therapist offered to lend it to me although he never mentioned or talked about the content of the books, I was talking about a real problem in my real life.
It was the same author who wrote Stations of the Mind, which came to my attention in the library as I walked out one day. In that book I did read new (to me) information, that the human mind has a function that controls for comfort, the information that enters consciousness. That meant something but what? I didn't know what had caused me to read Steppenwolfe by Herman Hesse when I struggled so hard to read it but I began to think about the man that believed he had a wild animal in his mind when I acquired and read slowly and painfully another book: The Presence of Other Worlds by Wilson van Dusen.
My mind was full of thought but in therapy that was not mentioned by me or the therapists. The books I read seemed to be selected in many places where my attention somehow seemed to operate without me, that was odd and I read a lot.. The turning point happened but I noticed it only in hindsight, years sometimes passed before I recognized what was happening to me:
There was one incident that initiated a new idea, that idea was familiar to me for some reason: Walking through the library I saw a book someone had left on a table: Other Worlds by a Paul Davies. It had a pretty blue picture on the cover and that reminded me of another sky blue book that was fictional but somehow so memorable because ....its a longer story
. The topic of quantum physics was a different direction but a pattern had been noticed, even if if seemed outrageous it was true. I was reading a book that described some thing in my material life and my thought, some of it was the same content, I read the book and in one chapter titled: The Importance of An Observer, an old memory that had haunted me after it happened came up and latched onto the idea in Other Worlds. I was 9 years old, walking through the neighborhood on a balmy spring morning, wondering to myself if my presence anywhere caused something to happen, Does my just seeing something, change anything?
The ideas of this time have existed in the past. same pattern but with new content. P.K wrote about those ancients but other authors have written much that he wrote. About 'understanding' the ancients, and recognizing the transformation of a mental world into an aspect and attribute of the real world, that's hard to describe, however in my opinion. the medium is the message. and it cannot be misunderstood. Almost 9 decades of data ...... A small non-fictional book about a real 4 years old girl had an idea in it that I understand in my own way, She was a viewing point for Mr. God. Perhaps the darkest part is as valuable as the bright . Its difficult to experience the lack of understanding, some don't make it, its easier if you are Einstein or Sagan...
Its not a new reality, its not a new phenomena. Essence is the link..............
I agree with Mr. Tunney: science needs a deeper validation than its own methods. It seems to me that mysticism could offer significant clues to realities that science would find fascinating and useful. Perhaps the situation is parallel to pharmaceuticals and natural medicines: when science purifies its knowledge of a subject, it leaves out the accompanying factors which made the original topic harmoniously fit with the rest of nature (including the spiritual basis.)