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Mr. Tunney is a welcome voice of reason. Conspiracies certainly exist, and pretending they don't simply empowers those in control. Looking at the world through rose colored glasses doesn't make the evil go away.
@@mabaker Discerning facts from propaganda, and identifying the underlying cause of a problem isn't paranoia. Resentment toward those individuals and power structures that facilitate human suffering is quite warranted.
@@dannaglia yes, but most people don't discern facts from propaganda in a rational manner, hence they see evil under every rock or conspiracy where there is non. You see this chaos especially these days in the world and evil works on both fronts. There obviously is evil in this physical dimension of the flesh, and pretending it doesn't is naive, but we have to be careful not to become corrupted by the very thing we're afraid of by seeing it everywhere. peace.
Authoritarian does not feel like the right word. Men such as James, speak with a voice of Authority that comes from self knowledge. How well do you understand yourself and this world? Just curious, my guess is that you haven't lived long enough to understand who you are. It takes time, persistence and energy-drive. (Just in case you're curious.)
James please consider doing more long form in your own podcasts. Your analysis, curiosity & humility is a beautifully rich mix. One of most important Irish thinkers & writers for our age. Thank you New Thinking Allowed for your continued brilliance 🙏
When you speak of the fourth shore, I think of the liminal space. I worked as a counsellor in hospice and trauma. In those fields and in other times of transition, people often enter this space of "not knowing" where they have left behind the land (firm ground) on which they stood and now must trust the process of life, embrace paradox and grow tolerant of ambiguity. Surrender to the process (not resignation) enables the traveller to minimize the dangers of the crisis and seize the opportunities they're offered. Often this leads to a whole different shore in a new land.
@@21stCenturyDub You made me laugh out loud---of course, it's foreshore, not fourth shore! I was listening to the video while I did dishes and the accent and crockery noise combined had my brain spinning as it connected the dots. It's weird what we do. Still, if I'd heard foreshore, I likely wouldn't have commented, so... :)
NTA: My favorite UA-cam channel Dr. Mishlove: The best interviewer on the planet. James Tunney: One of my very favorite guests. Thank you both for a perfect evening during this very challenging time in the history of humanity. I could have listened for another three hours! James, your experience of connection with the field and tribe hit close to my heart.💚I really do miss the green green grass of home! Your concern regarding trans humanism strongly resonates with me. And yes 👍 thirty more interviews please.🙏😊
I love listening to JT. I fully agree with him regarding Transhumanization, World Economic Forum and everything else he has discussed. I resonate his concerns.
@@thursoberwick1948 That’s not the right crowd to attract anyways. They don’t have the patience to consume quality content. Long form content is one way to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Count my bonus point. Agree, Mr. Mishlove is good to listen and not counter some of your opinions as he seems to lean differently. Mr. Tunney nailed so many situations, I believe correctly, I'm in awe. When money stops being the God above God for the human, spirituality and love will be the new currency.
@@thursoberwick1948 Yes, they are trying to get rid of cash. Everybody should know about the Canadian government freezing bank accounts. If money can be numbers on a screen, what value does it have? You are wealthly if you have health, friendship, comfort and the ability to love yourself and others.
Watching two (2) geniuses... oh what joy! I could listen all day long, but then I wouldn't get anything else done. Great thanks to you both for your wisdom and generosity sharing it with the world. God help this world.
I'm very happy that Mishlove is actually calling Tunney out clearly on some points and I do love the fact that they both can discuss their views in a civil way, as friends. Please do more together! Do one with madame Kovacs, too!!!!!
Rich and inspiring stuff, from my fellow, compatriot, Mr James Tunney - A Dubliner too! As an artist, whose work focuses on the value of mystery, and, as I view it, its tragic, forgotten, for a life worth living, particularly now, as we navigates a world of such uncertainty, I appreciate his reminder , that the greatest sin, according to the bible, is the denial of this aspect of human "being". I needed to to hear this, as my heart, feels bashed, in the resistance to this belief/ faith, today. Thank you Mr Mishlove and Mr Tunney .
These 3 hours with you have been a great gift full of humanity, intelligence and pragmatic spirituality. Thank you for sharing your consciousness in such a brilliantly fluid way. May it be contagious🥰🙏🏽✨. There are moments when I see a certain connection of James with Sri Aurobindo's teachings, about the essence that we are, our power, our capacity for transformation and the evolutionary stimulus that the asuric forces represent in the divine manifestation here on earth. Thank you both for this kind and meaningful dialogue of friends. 🙏🏽
Human beings might not have invented superlatives for describing this extraordinarily powerful, relevant and necessary discussion between James Tunney and host Jeffrey Mishlove. This manner of profound communication is how humans will talk to each other once the human race comes to its senses and takes practical steps to end the unnecessary warring in Ukraine, and in the process writes future history books where generations of students yet unborn will learn about "Ukraine: The Last Stupid War on Earth".... Peace.
This could be the most evolved visionary, mystic, artist, intellectual who has been on this show. Give him a subject and he will show it to you in the most multidimensional way and it’s place in a universal picture. All should listen carefully because I sense he is spot with what he shares. Truth is not always only good, there is a balance we need to keep as sacred as humans.
James Tunney's interviews seem to last fifteen minutes. The map of his intellect is expansive and illuminating - always here for the two of you discussing anything. Thanks, gentlemen.
Extremely heartwarming interview as it made me feel less alone. Although not as eloquent or learned as James and you Jeffrey, the heart connection at some point was overwhelming. Thank you
Bravo, another brilliant discussion with James Tunney. Two of my favorite quotes: "Whatever works. (Larry David)" and "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio...(William Shakespeare)." The first is of course governed by ethical principles.
A delightful conversation in every respect. To enjoy the sheer scope, depth and vastness of two genuinely brilliant minds joining to form a sky-like arch and tremendous arc of a great dialogue is an absolute pleasure to witness indeed. I too am hopeful there will be at least 30 more conversations between Jeffery and James.
@@thursoberwick1948 There is nothing odd going on in Sweden. It's just a favourite examples for conspiracy lovers to dance on. Sweden is doing very fine and does not need foreign concern-posting.
@@thursoberwick1948 Yeah, big brown people bad. Yes, your points are very well rooted in many YT conspiracy videos. Sweden is doing fine. Crime is a normal part of human society - we are not angels and we will never be angels.
Well done. Another great discussion. I have sometimes felt that James' emphasis on the dangers of technology are too strong, but I found the extended discussion in this interview helped me to see the source of his concern. For me, the threat of technology is more of the ascendency of incompetence over care; but put in the context of the sociopathic enthusiasm for control, I can see that there are humanist (meaning "originating from human nature") issues that go beyond the obvious insufficiencies of the tools as they have been developed up to now. Walt Disney made the image indelible in "Fantasia", but I suppose he also swept it under the comedic carpet as well. There are different possible ways to approach regaining control by the human spirit of the manipulative powers of the human mind. I have also been following the lessons that Iain McGilchrist is teaching us, and they help to suggest a possible rapprochement between the materialist model of neurobiology and the humanist traditions. I would also like to point to some efforts to go beyond the mechanical problem-solving approaches that were popular from the 1930's on and represent a return to a consideration of traditional methods of "diplomacy" from indigenous cultures. I have recently been studying some authors whom I have not seen referred to in Jeffrey' s discussions. One is Tyson Yunkaporta (Sand Talk). The other is Carol Sanford ("The Regenerative Life" and "Indirect Work"). Incidentally, Carol Sanford was a mentee of Arthur M. Young as well. Thank you again for the further study materials along the lines of political and psychological history and analysis. It is obvious that I will never catch up with all the books that the two of you are familiar with and have read.
Surely, James T, is arguing for the return of the Poetic to balance the dogmatic scientism. At the very least, this, as we make the LEAP to lasting harmony. Hard work and worth it. 💪
Hi Jeff and James. I have paused this exchange at 43.15 to ask what I believe is the most pertinent question to have arisen within me from hearing all the exchanges between you both. Here it is: if one is engaged in spiritual development and others around you are not, how do you cope with that? If you are a good driver and everyone else is driving like a maniac, how do deal with the frustration of this - with the idiocy of what you see around you? Do you divorce yourself from the world? I hope you can both address this. I love the exchanges and I hope they continue. Happy new year. Chris.
Some books that I read 40 years age have come to my attention in a variety of ways so that I feel an irresistible need to read again. When I listened to this program, the foundation was strange because I hear the ideas that P. D. Ouspensky wrote in his life,woven beneath James very wordy but necessary explanations. The 'miraculous' itself has not found expression yet.. What does James think about synchronicity as the miraculous.? I have recently re-read ISOTM with my experiences of the 40 years since 1984. The strangeness of this section of time seems to be moving steadily through time and in space....the mystical experiences in our human past is in Ouspenskys' books, imo . It seems to me James is carrying the old and new details forward. Reading Ouspenskys' In Search of the Miraculous and then listening to this program was a huge coincidence to me.
The noble eightfold path is a pointer to realising the deathless nature of consciousness. But I still love to hear you two discussing the problems of existence .
Mr. Tunney is well-spoken, thoughtful and able to articulate his point of view very well. That said, I have to disagree with him when he begins to dissemble about the actions of Russia in Ukraine. His points could be debated prior to the war, or afterwards. But to assign a moral equivalence to Russia's actions to prior acts by other nations does nothing to end the current hostilities, or to avoid an impending wider conflict. It just muddies the waters with moral ambiguity. That doesn't work in wars, and it certainly doesn't work in ending them with dictators.
Thank you Jeffrey and James. Yes, we must mine the traditions for their wisdom and leave behind the ossified dogmatic garbage. Yes, the organized religions get the little people wrapped up in worrying about sins of the flesh so the community feels shame and is afraid to stand up to oppressors.
The arrogance of the Now but.... yet if Time and Fate has a wish then our Time is a Mighty Now and it feels like it. But what do we do? What is wisdom in action? Inspired by this dialogue.
What real difference has James made through his learning’s? I am quiet keen, yes he is definitely inspiring many. But that’s all everybody has been doing, has he made any real solutions?
As regarding the war in Ukraine, well I definitely have another perspective as I live in Poland in Rzeszow which is 50 miles from Ukrainian border. In short - from my perspective the situation has gone way too far to apply any form pacifism at the moment, it is a brutal military, ideological and economical war in which at least one has to lose. There is no symmetry, Ukraine is an independent country that has been attacked by a nationalist regime lead by Putin who should be treated not as a leader of a country but as a war criminal. I want to make it clear - here I write a couple of words about politics and history and masses of people, individual stories may be extremely diverse. I also do have some Russian friends, who as far as I know are strongly against the war. Actually my main hope in this situation is that some Russians will finally get rid of this tyrant. We have hundreds of years of common history with Ukraine and also with Russia. Lots of fights in the middle ages between various duchys and kingdoms, then most of today's Ukraine in Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth in early modernity, also fighting with each other and then with Russian Empire. We also have memories of the communist times and how it all looked like. And despite numerous difficult things in history, for some years Ukrainian and Polish people are close to each other. The languages look different because of different alphabets but they sound a bit similar (I speak no Ukrainian, never learned it but when I hear it I can understand about 30-60%). Ukrainians started coming to Poland by hundreds of thousands after Poland joined the EU in 2004 because of economic reasons, everything was ok with them. Now I think over 3 million of them came here since the war started (and Poland is a 38-milion country, so this is a lot). Both Polish and Ukrainian people don't know Russian imperialism just from books or news; we have experienced it and fought with it for hundreds of years. And for many reasons thinking in terms of the balance of power is extremely unpopular here. Firstly because it resembles widely hated Yaltan way of thinking: great powers just discussing how to share the political cake without asking anyone about their own opinion: whether Poland wanted to be under Soviet influence after 1945, whether Ukraine itself wants to join EU or NATO etc. Of course there are huge countries and powers in the world, but it doesn't mean that smaller ones have nothing to say (actually Ukraine is not that small, both by area and population it's larger than California; it looks small on the map when you compare it with Russia - but this is the area, the population of Ukraine is about 1/3 of Russia). Secondly - because it resembles the appeasement politics from late 1930s: letting Hitler devour Czechoslovakia, then Austria, then Poland, with a naive hope that he will finally state something like "Alright, I've eaten and conquered enough, now I'll be kind and peaceful and I'll never attack France or the UK)". As we know - it didn't work that way. And here we have what happened - one country, unprovoked, without declaring a war attacks the other. Russian army kills civillians, attacks hospitals etc. And Ukrainian army defends their country. So this is fundamentally unequal on moral grounds. But there are more details that may not be as obvious from further distance. Ukrainian people are extremely determined to defend their country and to get rid of the invadors. They are furious, the only way for them to reach peace is to get rid of all the Russian soldiers from their country. And Russian soldiers are not determined at all, they were told that they were going for some military training and suddenly they end up in a middle of a war for a reason that they do not understand, officers had told them that they would be welcome with flowers and parades - instead they are forced to kill and getting killed. They have terrible equipment, they Russian logistics is a disaster. And here we have what we have - it comes out that the mighty Russian army was a propaganda myth and after some minor success at the beginning of the war, they are constantly losing the territories that they initially took. And I hear it repeatedly from many Polish experts, generals and the like - that Russia has simply no way to win this war, it just came out to be much weaker than most people supposed. Which is very good because if not, Poland, or Lithuania or Estonia, or Latvia could be next. And then, maybe the former East Germany. And then - who knows. So it is seen like Nazi Germany: the only way to stop it is to defeat it. It should have been stopped long time ago, as with Nazi Germany, but technology, morals, tactics are much weaker and it shouldn't be as devastating for the Europe or for the world. Nuclear weapon is another part of the story and it may change a lot here and it is much more difficult to predict what will happen. But one thing is clear: the West is many times more powerful in this respect than Russia, and it seems that few people in Russia, also among Putin's supporters are willing to risk their own lives in such a way. The whole tragedy of this situation is that many people are killed anyway but as I say - from my perspective it looks that most probably the sooner Putin's regime looses the war and collapses, the fewer victims will be.
The thought that a physical fight might mean freedom. other than ones discipline and inner cultivation, is not considered by these powers but worse probably Discarded selfishly because of the power it gives all in unity
I can only have faith that the mass spiritual creature of which we are individuated consciousnesses wake up one at a time and this dystopian energetic archetype will be a short journey before an incoming golden age.
@@thursoberwick1948 well friend,the J's have changed the calendar and there is a conspiracy of editing the past. HIStory is not Our story. The age of Aquarius will integrate but there will be a negative energy -maybe Ahriman as Steiner predicted - but the negativity is a soul growth opportunity. 👋🇬🇧
1:35:40 About the disputes between between the Ukrainians and the Russians causing the current conflict, the decades long conflict between Israelis and the Palestinians and the longer conflict between the Navajos and the Hopis, note these people are not acting alone. They are influenced from outside forces. It just so happens in each of these particular cases, coincidentally (although it surely isn't always the case) are influenced by the US. .... About the Navajo-Hopi dispute note: "Legacy of Bitterness: Navajo-Hopi Land Dispute, a Century of Pain" by Michelle Boorstein (LA Times 5 January 1997, available online). What would the Israeli-Palestinian be like today, if the US didn't consider the country in its own strategic interest in the Middle East and thus the recipient today of billions of dollars per year? We don't have to look too hard to find the origin of the current Ukrainian-Russian began in 2014 coup in Kiev in 2014 which was so blatantly backed and influenced by the US the executive director of Stratfor Institute (a US intelligence advisory group) said, it was "the blatant coup in history". (After all it was Victoria Nuland of the Obama administration's State Dept who acknowledged the US spent billions of dollars on Ukraine) Until then Russia was by far Ukraine's largest trading partner, with whom it shared a long history. The culture of the Russians and Ukrainians are certainly more similar than the Navajos and the Hopis and Palestinians and the Israelis.
For the record, the Statfor man publicly said the 2014 Ukraine coup was "the MOST blatant coup in history".. Unfortunately, too few Americans understand that the 2014 coup was the spark which initiated the subsequent 8 years of violence and killing in Ukraine, and was the genesis of the current military conflict after Russians began the "Special Military Operation" resulting in very real concerns of potential World War III, nuclear weapons launches, and the absolutely horrifying possibility of ending sacred life on this Earth in a nuclear Armageddon.
The American lead post WW2 order has got us so far but now it will take all awakening folks all over the planet, with a little help from friends, to move past the last hurdle; spiritual evolution and Star Trek combo. We earn it.
It was very important conversation which I enjoyed, but I got worried when he started to mention Dugin too much. I wonder if James has good knowledge of who Dugin is..
don't think ive ever seen someone digress with such panache as when Tunney started talking about John B. Keane's The Field, and reminiscing about the animals coming into the kitchen.. He's clearly a genius but also an old fashioned Dublin chancer you used to meet in the early house down the quays of a Saturday morning!
Keeping certain elements while the world goes crazy (continually throwing out the baby with the bath water) is what defines certain nations i.e Ireland. England has a little bit left. Scotland has more. (Sanity, general awe of our existence that satisfies deeply) Canada can have it again because of the Indigenous people, who are rising again. But that would be a wild, massive culture shift. Woah! It's too lonely not to take that journey into mass enlightenment. Loads of folks be lonely now.
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I already said, but can't help to say it again. To these days, he remains my favourite guest. Thank you 🙏
Agreed♥️♥️
James Tunney’s discourse is meaningful, far-reaching, and urgent.
I'm of the same opinion my friend
Always fascinating these two gentlemen. Very engaging programme. Thank you
Mr. Tunney is a welcome voice of reason. Conspiracies certainly exist, and pretending they don't simply empowers those in control. Looking at the world through rose colored glasses doesn't make the evil go away.
And getting more paranoid and resentful Is not helping, either.
@@mabaker Discerning facts from propaganda, and identifying the underlying cause of a problem isn't paranoia. Resentment toward those individuals and power structures that facilitate human suffering is quite warranted.
@@dannaglia yes, but most people don't discern facts from propaganda in a rational manner, hence they see evil under every rock or conspiracy where there is non. You see this chaos especially these days in the world and evil works on both fronts. There obviously is evil in this physical dimension of the flesh, and pretending it doesn't is naive, but we have to be careful not to become corrupted by the very thing we're afraid of by seeing it everywhere. peace.
Education is key, critical thinking is a must. James is brilliant
Tunney, for all his knowledge, is a little too authoritarian for my taste.
Authoritarian does not feel like the right word. Men such as James, speak with a voice of Authority that comes from self knowledge. How well do you understand yourself and this world? Just curious, my guess is that you haven't lived long enough to understand who you are. It takes time, persistence and energy-drive. (Just in case you're curious.)
James please consider doing more long form in your own podcasts. Your analysis, curiosity & humility is a beautifully rich mix. One of most important Irish thinkers & writers for our age. Thank you New Thinking Allowed for your continued brilliance 🙏
When you speak of the fourth shore, I think of the liminal space. I worked as a counsellor in hospice and trauma. In those fields and in other times of transition, people often enter this space of "not knowing" where they have left behind the land (firm ground) on which they stood and now must trust the process of life, embrace paradox and grow tolerant of ambiguity. Surrender to the process (not resignation) enables the traveller to minimize the dangers of the crisis and seize the opportunities they're offered. Often this leads to a whole different shore in a new land.
Yes! I first heard of the term limen from a remote viewer. It has stuck with me and I appreciate you mentioning it here because it is incredibly apt.
Incredibly well said
Yes, foreshore is a liminal space for sure.
@@21stCenturyDub You made me laugh out loud---of course, it's foreshore, not fourth shore! I was listening to the video while I did dishes and the accent and crockery noise combined had my brain spinning as it connected the dots. It's weird what we do. Still, if I'd heard foreshore, I likely wouldn't have commented, so... :)
@@sheilaeisele8490 :)
NTA: My favorite UA-cam channel
Dr. Mishlove: The best interviewer on the planet.
James Tunney: One of my very favorite guests.
Thank you both for a perfect evening during this very challenging time in the history of humanity. I could have listened for another three hours! James, your experience of connection with the field and tribe hit close to my heart.💚I really do miss the green green grass of home! Your concern regarding trans humanism strongly resonates with me. And yes 👍 thirty more interviews please.🙏😊
yes i so agree well said
Absolute delight listening to JT 😊
Thank you James and Jeffrey. I'm sadder and wiser. I look forward to the next 30 interviews.
I love listening to JT. I fully agree with him regarding Transhumanization, World Economic Forum and everything else he has discussed. I resonate his concerns.
@@thursoberwick1948 That’s not the right crowd to attract anyways. They don’t have the patience to consume quality content. Long form content is one way to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Count my bonus point. Agree, Mr. Mishlove is good to listen and not counter some of your opinions as he seems to lean differently. Mr. Tunney nailed so many situations, I believe correctly, I'm in awe. When money stops being the God above God for the human, spirituality and love will be the new currency.
@@thursoberwick1948 Yes, they are trying to get rid of cash. Everybody should know about the Canadian government freezing bank accounts. If money can be numbers on a screen, what value does it have? You are wealthly if you have health, friendship, comfort and the ability to love yourself and others.
epic, thanks for the service!
James is so learned and so inspirational to me. He inspires me to be the best version of myself.
One of my favourite guests. Thank you both.
This will be my new bed time story for awhile.
Watching two (2) geniuses... oh what joy! I could listen all day long, but then I wouldn't get anything else done. Great thanks to you both for your wisdom and generosity sharing it with the world. God help this world.
I'm very happy that Mishlove is actually calling Tunney out clearly on some points and I do love the fact that they both can discuss their views in a civil way, as friends. Please do more together! Do one with madame Kovacs, too!!!!!
Rich and inspiring stuff, from my fellow, compatriot, Mr James Tunney - A Dubliner too!
As an artist, whose work focuses on the value of mystery, and, as I view it, its tragic, forgotten, for a life worth living, particularly now, as we navigates a world of such uncertainty, I appreciate his reminder , that the greatest sin, according to the bible, is the denial of this aspect of human "being".
I needed to to hear this, as my heart, feels bashed, in the resistance to this belief/ faith, today.
Thank you Mr Mishlove and Mr Tunney .
I like every guest but Tunney and Kastrup are always delightful ... One day you should have them talking each other !!
I am trying just to calm down and to listen to one of my favourite guests ever on your show !!!! What a delight!!!
Thank you. I love listening to James.
These 3 hours with you have been a great gift full of humanity, intelligence and pragmatic spirituality.
Thank you for sharing your consciousness in such a brilliantly fluid way.
May it be contagious🥰🙏🏽✨.
There are moments when I see a certain connection of James with Sri Aurobindo's teachings, about the essence that we are, our power, our capacity for transformation and the evolutionary stimulus that the asuric forces represent in the divine manifestation here on earth.
Thank you both for this kind and meaningful dialogue of friends.
🙏🏽
I love ❤ James Tunney thank you for introducing him to me🙏
Great idea with these long videos, I would love to watch more like this :)
I'm Polish too and I agree :)
Yes, and trust Jeffrey to find the right person for an extended talk.
Love watching you two together
Many thanks 🙏
Amazing show again with James , shout out from Dublin Ireland .
James is the Real deal, as you must know.
This discussion is like finding a fountain in the desert. Thank you. ☘️
excellent interview, so refreshing to hear an intelligent, clear perspective of world events when we are surrounded by so much noise and ignorance
Human beings might not have invented superlatives for describing this extraordinarily powerful, relevant and necessary discussion between James Tunney and host Jeffrey Mishlove. This manner of profound communication is how humans will talk to each other once the human race comes to its senses and takes practical steps to end the unnecessary warring in Ukraine, and in the process writes future history books where generations of students yet unborn will learn about "Ukraine: The Last Stupid War on Earth"....
Peace.
Would love to see James and Charles Upton on the show together!
Wow!!! This was a treat!! I listened to it while busy in the kitchen. So I'm going to listen to it again, this time to make some notes!
Gripping discussion as always. I love seeing which of Tunney's paintings will be displayed - this one is about Elvis, painted 2012.
One of my favorite guest. Such brilliant minds interacting is enriching. Thank you.
Fantastic discussion. Really thought provoking. Best podcast on UA-cam in my humble opinion.
astonishing stuff - I cannot remember being so transported by a conversation - a million thanks - this channel really will help change the world
This could be the most evolved visionary, mystic, artist, intellectual who has been on this show. Give him a subject and he will show it to you in the most multidimensional way and it’s place in a universal picture. All should listen carefully because I sense he is spot with what he shares. Truth is not always only good, there is a balance we need to keep as sacred as humans.
James Tunney's interviews seem to last fifteen minutes. The map of his intellect is expansive and illuminating - always here for the two of you discussing anything. Thanks, gentlemen.
Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and right-doing, there is a field. I'll meet you there - Rumi
Extremely heartwarming interview as it made me feel less alone. Although not as eloquent or learned as James and you Jeffrey, the heart connection at some point was overwhelming. Thank you
thank You two .. learning a lot.
Bravo, another brilliant discussion with James Tunney. Two of my favorite quotes: "Whatever works. (Larry David)" and "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio...(William Shakespeare)." The first is of course governed by ethical principles.
Thank you! I enjoyed this interview in it’s entirety!
A delightful conversation in every respect. To enjoy the sheer scope, depth and vastness of two genuinely brilliant minds joining to form a sky-like arch and tremendous arc of a great dialogue is an absolute pleasure to witness indeed. I too am hopeful there will be at least 30 more conversations between Jeffery and James.
Half way through and so far a great conversation. Especially interesting hearing his arguments when living in my native Sweden.
@@thursoberwick1948 There is nothing odd going on in Sweden. It's just a favourite examples for conspiracy lovers to dance on. Sweden is doing very fine and does not need foreign concern-posting.
@@thursoberwick1948 Yeah, big brown people bad. Yes, your points are very well rooted in many YT conspiracy videos. Sweden is doing fine. Crime is a normal part of human society - we are not angels and we will never be angels.
@@mabaker Sweden is NOT fine and hasn't been for years. Thanks for speaking your all-knowing opinion on the matter..
@@TheEd0205 It is fine. It is one of the best developed countries in the world. Only in your alt-right infested imagination it's not fine.
very much glad to hear in this programe someone mentioned "perennial philosophy"
great talk, thanks.
Awesome art Mr Tunney!
Well done. Another great discussion. I have sometimes felt that James' emphasis on the dangers of technology are too strong, but I found the extended discussion in this interview helped me to see the source of his concern. For me, the threat of technology is more of the ascendency of incompetence over care; but put in the context of the sociopathic enthusiasm for control, I can see that there are humanist (meaning "originating from human nature") issues that go beyond the obvious insufficiencies of the tools as they have been developed up to now. Walt Disney made the image indelible in "Fantasia", but I suppose he also swept it under the comedic carpet as well.
There are different possible ways to approach regaining control by the human spirit of the manipulative powers of the human mind. I have also been following the lessons that Iain McGilchrist is teaching us, and they help to suggest a possible rapprochement between the materialist model of neurobiology and the humanist traditions. I would also like to point to some efforts to go beyond the mechanical problem-solving approaches that were popular from the 1930's on and represent a return to a consideration of traditional methods of "diplomacy" from indigenous cultures. I have recently been studying some authors whom I have not seen referred to in Jeffrey' s discussions. One is Tyson Yunkaporta (Sand Talk). The other is Carol Sanford ("The Regenerative Life" and "Indirect Work"). Incidentally, Carol Sanford was a mentee of Arthur M. Young as well.
Thank you again for the further study materials along the lines of political and psychological history and analysis. It is obvious that I will never catch up with all the books that the two of you are familiar with and have read.
Thank you so very good to listen to
That was GREAT!Saturday nights are not what they used to be! Thanks for making them even better. I’m going to bed now😂
Surely, James T, is arguing for the return of the Poetic to balance the dogmatic scientism.
At the very least, this, as we make the LEAP to lasting harmony. Hard work and worth it. 💪
Thank you for your particularly useful information, crucial even.
Love this. Thanks
awesomness delux. Thanks to both of you!
32:38 - the right hand & left hand path & the metaphor of the foreshore as a place of balance.
Hi Jeff and James. I have paused this exchange at 43.15 to ask what I believe is the most pertinent question to have arisen within me from hearing all the exchanges between you both. Here it is: if one is engaged in spiritual development and others around you are not, how do you cope with that? If you are a good driver and everyone else is driving like a maniac, how do deal with the frustration of this - with the idiocy of what you see around you? Do you divorce yourself from the world? I hope you can both address this. I love the exchanges and I hope they continue. Happy new year. Chris.
Some books that I read 40 years age have come to my attention in a variety of ways so that I feel an irresistible need to read again. When I listened to this program, the foundation was strange because I hear the ideas that P. D. Ouspensky wrote in his life,woven beneath James very wordy but necessary explanations. The 'miraculous' itself has not found expression yet..
What does James think about synchronicity as the miraculous.? I have recently re-read ISOTM with my experiences of the 40 years since 1984. The strangeness of this section of time seems to be moving steadily through time and in space....the mystical experiences in our human past is in Ouspenskys' books, imo . It seems to me James is carrying the old and new details forward. Reading Ouspenskys' In Search of the Miraculous and then listening to this program was a huge coincidence to me.
Love this!
Thank you!
The noble eightfold path is a pointer to realising the deathless nature of consciousness. But I still love to hear you two discussing the problems of existence .
Thanks for the enjoyable and informative interview!
This explains SO much about the Dublin psyche & worldview & brings back such memories 🥰
Nice painting in the background!!!
Godspeed!💗
#1 guest, mho
I live this guy
ha ha ha ha 'love'!
@@franek_izerski Always...it's the only way
Yes, please: another 30 more !!!
Able to point ...at the wonder and magnificence, that we belong to.
Fabulous as ever - thank you! Must’ve been interesting as made it to the end very easily…(not in one sitting…)
Mr. Tunney is well-spoken, thoughtful and able to articulate his point of view very well. That said, I have to disagree with him when he begins to dissemble about the actions of Russia in Ukraine. His points could be debated prior to the war, or afterwards. But to assign a moral equivalence to Russia's actions to prior acts by other nations does nothing to end the current hostilities, or to avoid an impending wider conflict. It just muddies the waters with moral ambiguity. That doesn't work in wars, and it certainly doesn't work in ending them with dictators.
The barrister scares me. Truly a prophet. James, you are the Yin to Bernardo Kastrup's Yang/Wang Theory
Thank you Jeffrey and James.
Yes, we must mine the traditions for their wisdom and leave behind the ossified dogmatic garbage.
Yes, the organized religions get the little people wrapped up in worrying about sins of the flesh so the community feels shame and is afraid to stand up to oppressors.
27:25 Before you reject the tradition, you have to know what it says. < < < THIS.
Ty
The arrogance of the Now but.... yet if Time and Fate has a wish then our Time is a Mighty Now and it feels like it. But what do we do?
What is wisdom in action?
Inspired by this dialogue.
Thank you jeffrey
Thank you so much. Amazing talk. The world needs more of these kind of people. 🙏 Would a conversation be possible with James Tunney?
Abraço de Portugal!❤🙏
Mr. Tunney have you ever heard of John Vervaeke? You two could have amazing conversations. He's a Canadian professor.
The bromance is intoxicating
i learned a great breath terchnique with Bob Frissell ,changed my life:)ever interview him Jeffrey?
What real difference has James made through his learning’s? I am quiet keen, yes he is definitely inspiring many. But that’s all everybody has been doing, has he made any real solutions?
As regarding the war in Ukraine, well I definitely have another perspective as I live in Poland in Rzeszow which is 50 miles from Ukrainian border. In short - from my perspective the situation has gone way too far to apply any form pacifism at the moment, it is a brutal military, ideological and economical war in which at least one has to lose. There is no symmetry, Ukraine is an independent country that has been attacked by a nationalist regime lead by Putin who should be treated not as a leader of a country but as a war criminal. I want to make it clear - here I write a couple of words about politics and history and masses of people, individual stories may be extremely diverse. I also do have some Russian friends, who as far as I know are strongly against the war. Actually my main hope in this situation is that some Russians will finally get rid of this tyrant. We have hundreds of years of common history with Ukraine and also with Russia. Lots of fights in the middle ages between various duchys and kingdoms, then most of today's Ukraine in Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth in early modernity, also fighting with each other and then with Russian Empire. We also have memories of the communist times and how it all looked like. And despite numerous difficult things in history, for some years Ukrainian and Polish people are close to each other. The languages look different because of different alphabets but they sound a bit similar (I speak no Ukrainian, never learned it but when I hear it I can understand about 30-60%). Ukrainians started coming to Poland by hundreds of thousands after Poland joined the EU in 2004 because of economic reasons, everything was ok with them. Now I think over 3 million of them came here since the war started (and Poland is a 38-milion country, so this is a lot). Both Polish and Ukrainian people don't know Russian imperialism just from books or news; we have experienced it and fought with it for hundreds of years. And for many reasons thinking in terms of the balance of power is extremely unpopular here. Firstly because it resembles widely hated Yaltan way of thinking: great powers just discussing how to share the political cake without asking anyone about their own opinion: whether Poland wanted to be under Soviet influence after 1945, whether Ukraine itself wants to join EU or NATO etc. Of course there are huge countries and powers in the world, but it doesn't mean that smaller ones have nothing to say (actually Ukraine is not that small, both by area and population it's larger than California; it looks small on the map when you compare it with Russia - but this is the area, the population of Ukraine is about 1/3 of Russia). Secondly - because it resembles the appeasement politics from late 1930s: letting Hitler devour Czechoslovakia, then Austria, then Poland, with a naive hope that he will finally state something like "Alright, I've eaten and conquered enough, now I'll be kind and peaceful and I'll never attack France or the UK)". As we know - it didn't work that way. And here we have what happened - one country, unprovoked, without declaring a war attacks the other. Russian army kills civillians, attacks hospitals etc. And Ukrainian army defends their country. So this is fundamentally unequal on moral grounds. But there are more details that may not be as obvious from further distance. Ukrainian people are extremely determined to defend their country and to get rid of the invadors. They are furious, the only way for them to reach peace is to get rid of all the Russian soldiers from their country. And Russian soldiers are not determined at all, they were told that they were going for some military training and suddenly they end up in a middle of a war for a reason that they do not understand, officers had told them that they would be welcome with flowers and parades - instead they are forced to kill and getting killed. They have terrible equipment, they Russian logistics is a disaster. And here we have what we have - it comes out that the mighty Russian army was a propaganda myth and after some minor success at the beginning of the war, they are constantly losing the territories that they initially took. And I hear it repeatedly from many Polish experts, generals and the like - that Russia has simply no way to win this war, it just came out to be much weaker than most people supposed. Which is very good because if not, Poland, or Lithuania or Estonia, or Latvia could be next. And then, maybe the former East Germany. And then - who knows. So it is seen like Nazi Germany: the only way to stop it is to defeat it. It should have been stopped long time ago, as with Nazi Germany, but technology, morals, tactics are much weaker and it shouldn't be as devastating for the Europe or for the world. Nuclear weapon is another part of the story and it may change a lot here and it is much more difficult to predict what will happen. But one thing is clear: the West is many times more powerful in this respect than Russia, and it seems that few people in Russia, also among Putin's supporters are willing to risk their own lives in such a way. The whole tragedy of this situation is that many people are killed anyway but as I say - from my perspective it looks that most probably the sooner Putin's regime looses the war and collapses, the fewer victims will be.
30th interview!!
Thank you again, gentlemen. There were many important bonuses here before receiving the "bonus point" at the end. Is it greedy to hope for more? 🙏😊💗
The thought that a physical fight might mean freedom. other than ones discipline and inner cultivation, is not considered by these powers but worse probably Discarded selfishly because of the power it gives all in unity
Therefore weaker mind, needing, craving power but physically seemingly on top
I can only have faith that the mass spiritual creature of which we are individuated consciousnesses wake up one at a time and this dystopian energetic archetype will be a short journey before an incoming golden age.
@@thursoberwick1948 well friend,the J's have changed the calendar and there is a conspiracy of editing the past.
HIStory is not Our story. The age of Aquarius will integrate but there will be a negative energy -maybe Ahriman as Steiner predicted - but the negativity is a soul growth opportunity. 👋🇬🇧
1:35:40 About the disputes between between the Ukrainians and the Russians causing the current conflict, the decades long conflict between Israelis and the Palestinians and the longer conflict between the Navajos and the Hopis, note these people are not acting alone. They are influenced from outside forces. It just so happens in each of these particular cases, coincidentally (although it surely isn't always the case) are influenced by the US. .... About the Navajo-Hopi dispute note: "Legacy of Bitterness: Navajo-Hopi Land Dispute, a Century of Pain" by Michelle Boorstein (LA Times 5 January 1997, available online). What would the Israeli-Palestinian be like today, if the US didn't consider the country in its own strategic interest in the Middle East and thus the recipient today of billions of dollars per year? We don't have to look too hard to find the origin of the current Ukrainian-Russian began in 2014 coup in Kiev in 2014 which was so blatantly backed and influenced by the US the executive director of Stratfor Institute (a US intelligence advisory group) said, it was "the blatant coup in history". (After all it was Victoria Nuland of the Obama administration's State Dept who acknowledged the US spent billions of dollars on Ukraine) Until then Russia was by far Ukraine's largest trading partner, with whom it shared a long history. The culture of the Russians and Ukrainians are certainly more similar than the Navajos and the Hopis and Palestinians and the Israelis.
For the record, the Statfor man publicly said the 2014 Ukraine coup was "the MOST blatant coup in history".. Unfortunately, too few Americans understand that the 2014 coup was the spark which initiated the subsequent 8 years of violence and killing in Ukraine, and was the genesis of the current military conflict after Russians began the "Special Military Operation" resulting in very real concerns of potential World War III, nuclear weapons launches, and the absolutely horrifying possibility of ending sacred life on this Earth in a nuclear Armageddon.
The American lead post WW2 order has got us so far but now it will take all awakening folks all over the planet, with a little help from friends, to move past the last hurdle; spiritual evolution and Star Trek combo. We earn it.
It was very important conversation which I enjoyed, but I got worried when he started to mention Dugin too much. I wonder if James has good knowledge of who Dugin is..
What an interesting thinker James Tunney is! I like the different paintings behind him in these interviews, is he also a painter?
Yes.
Love Jimmie.
don't think ive ever seen someone digress with such panache as when Tunney started talking about John B. Keane's The Field, and reminiscing about the animals coming into the kitchen.. He's clearly a genius but also an old fashioned Dublin chancer you used to meet in the early house down the quays of a Saturday morning!
Yes critically look at all the things that are going on
Can we get J.R. Jorjani and James on a future episode together?
James must be one of the most sensible people on planet Earth right now. At least doing interviews.
Right on!!! Joining the European Union is now regretted by many!!!
When are you going to interview me and our channel's predictions?
Keeping certain elements while the world goes crazy (continually throwing out the baby with the bath water) is what defines certain nations i.e Ireland. England has a little bit left. Scotland has more. (Sanity, general awe of our existence that satisfies deeply)
Canada can have it again because of the Indigenous people, who are rising again. But that would be a wild, massive culture shift. Woah!
It's too lonely not to take that journey into mass enlightenment. Loads of folks be lonely now.