I know that this protection is made against panzerfausts and light HEAT launchers I just decided to have some fun and see how good this thing is in the game
@@dartsenderAPFSDS depends on the variants. And it is just a warhead, not a projectile so if it gets triggered before hitting the main armor, it is pretty much disable. But these scrapes didn’t help either, i think it was made on field.
Just pointing out nearly all Panzerfausts had like 200mm of pen with the Panzerfaust 150 approaching like 300mm of pen, so they are fairly close to the early HEAT rounds
If the Anti heat screen had more space in between the armour, then it would be more effective. But maybe it can stop big HE shells. Can you test that next.
The M46 Patton has an add on armor application for that, is more spaced out but I've still been killed by HEAT with it on. I don't bother with it not only do I find it useless, but it just makes me get spotted easier.
@@kingtiger6155 yeah, taking the idea from Javelin I think these early defenses weren't really planned in how big those were. Just a simple wireframe like that wasn't going to cut it. But as I mentioned in another video for the Western version attempts, even concrete and sandbags didn't stop those.
@@strategicperson95 well yea HEAT uses a explosive filler to turn copper into a super small bullet basically moving at above Mach 5 and can easily rip through armor the bazooka and the panzer Faust and Schreck used it,Explosively formed penetrators' are crazy
those kinda work, not for its br but ive been shot with 400mm heat at the most retarded angle possible and it stoped it , but you need super luck and a dumb opponent for that
I think people seem to forget that HEAT does exist semi-commonly in low tiers. It's just not used at all. I'm pretty sure quite a lot of the Panzers and Stugs have a HEAT shell. They suck, so these bed frames would probably actually work against them noticably. Unfortunately though in reality this was probably meant more for infantry AT launchers than tank fired HEAT.
HEAT on the Stug III A is not so bad in my opinion. 100mm pen on 2.3 is pretty sick, enables you to pen absolutely any armor for any range. Plus it has something like 2s reload time.
Anyone who remembers how bad the P40 got nerfed when they changed Italian HEAT is a real one, thing used to not even one shot a BT-5's turret crew it was that sad
Whenever I test stuff like this I try to use shells that have similar pen values to what it would be facing, so for example I was looking at the M48 which would’ve encountered RPGs in Vietnam, and I think the LeKPz’s HEAT shell had more or less the same pen, so I used it
@@Белый-ч8т тут дело не в том из чего они сделаны, а в том что они слишком близко к броне. Были бы они в 2.5 дальше от брони то скорее-всего были бы эффективны.
@@Белый-ч8т тем не менее - они положили начало для такой вещи как ДЗ Контакт. Да и редко такое было в истории, что бы прям вот с первого раза что то добротное изобрели, без ошибок и т.д.
Tanknology has a good primer on 'statistical armor' and how these sorts of screens are supposed to work by crushing the fusing in PG-7s and the HEAT-FS shell of tanks. The extra stand-off distance makes little to no difference on penetration, HEAT shells are normally not set to their optimal stand-off range as it's usually longer than the practical length for the round.
The fact that the distance between the screen and the armor plate is extremely important for HEAT defense is a fact that even the very novice in the military field should know. Even the Allies in World War II found this out through tests later in the war.
Modern slat armour focuses on piercing the proyectile so that at least one side of the explosive is not contained inside the shell and thus the jet is subpar
To stop HEAT round such sort of "screens" must be much thicker than mesh of an old bed. It kinda works then - the metallic cone gets smashed with solid sticks and cannot make the torrent of quazi-liquid metal - penetrator of HEAT effect itself (cumulation in rus. terminology, or the "кумулятивная струя" [cu-mu-lya-tiv-na-ya / stru-ya] as it widely known in ru-net). For example... American researches found that Pz IV H shielded turret gets penetrated by faustpatron straight through: the screen, 2 layers of turret side armour and then next layer of screen from other turret's side (200 mm of HEAT pen is enough). In theory the cumulated torrent (HEAT penetrator) can ricochet. Some labs even managed to get this scenario, but IRL HEAT warheads are way too strong to let penetrator to leave like this. Because medium speed of the cumulation "torrent" is about ~8000 meters per second nearby the head and slows down to ~2000 about the tail. (that's why HEAT penetrator is called some sort of "spray/torrent/jet/flow" in Russian ["струя"] + some special HEATs are called the "beating ball" [rus. "ударное ядро"] due to different shape of cumulation cone and the penetrator as result)
It seems to work well vs the common size of LAT (low-ish pin and 75 to the low 100s in size), and lowered the dmg of the mid size heat rounds as long as they had sub 200mm pin, All and all I say it worked.
sophisticated anti-tank shaped charge of hypersonic superheated explosive when it sees a metal wire fence from an elementary school strapped on an old ahh tank: guess i'll die
Those things were designed for you to sleep on and they just happen to be somewhat usefull against bazookas. I bet my grandma has had such a bed frame.
So here’s the thing, while improvised defenses like this were technically “designed to stop HEAT” that’s not their real purpose. Something like this would never stop a HEAT round, at least not reliably, but what it would do is make the crew feel a bit safer, and that’s the important part. The psychological effect of the crew *thinking,* “Well, we’re a little bit safer now,” is more important than the fact that this wouldn’t actually make them safer. It’s the same with the sandbags that US tankers piled all over their tanks; if a Panzerfaust has enough penetration to punch through double the thickness of your tank’s thickest armor, a couple of sandbags aren’t going to stop it, but it will make the crews feel like they’re doing *something* to protect themselves. Even that tiny amount of extra confidence is important.
Well, a very decent result for a homemade screen made of scrap metal. Primitive means of protection against primitive cumulative projectiles - historically confirmed!
Most tank heat warhead actually benefit from those spaced plate as the focus point of the jet in normal use is way behind the armor it pens, to have it work you need the spaced armor to be nearly 1m away from the tank
This extra protection is not for tank HEAT shell, but for panzerfaust and similar grenades, which on slight contact trigger a cumulative shot (spray? Idk howto say it in English)
come on guys, how can you not know those grates are for hand grenades, so they don't get too close and don't damage sensitive parts of the tank. It also works with magnetic mines
Incorrect, that mesh would not stop grenade fragments. It was primarily designed for detonating/deforming panzerfaust warheads. Though it was more of a psychological boost like the concrete armoured shermans.
@@vape9319 it is not to stop the splinters, but to keep away the grenades, which obviously have a small explosive, therefore little space is needed to lose most of the deflagration force, therefore the optics and other sensitive parts are much safer
@@paolopiccinelli8120 You might have a slight misunderstading of my point, as grenades have a miniscule TNT charge compared to satchel charges and artillery shells. The blast of ~50g of explosive is not that threatening to optics etc, the shrapnel is. The mesh screens would not protect against shrapnel, and the soviets knew that. Also grenades have a hard time staying to the flat and in somecase angled surfaces of tank armour and the mesh screens somewhat counteract this benefit. The primary anti-tank threat in areas where mesh screens were installed was panzerfaust, and having protection against relatively uncommon magnetic grenades was a plus.
Cages only decrease pen, not stop it from happening. Since t34 armor is around 80-60mm (if i remember correctly) it's obvious that pen of HEAT shell should be ~100mm or less for armor to widstand it
The "Anti-HEAT" shield that was made for the sole purpose of stopping Faustpatrone and Panzerfaust grenades that were too slow to negotiate a caged bed stuck on a tank... Yeah, let's shoot tank guns at it, same thing...
Shape charge jet RHA penetration stats don't matter (or shouldn't) here because this defense works by disrupting the fusing and standoff. Its "all or nothing". Seems to be modelled fairly well because higher velocity HEAT rounds will be less affected by the the bedsprings, err.... slats because they are built stronger and resist disruption better. The Panzerfausts were really really slow. I guess that is why the M-8 HMC's HEAT was spoiled. Another likely stand in for a Panzerfaust or Bazooka, would be the BMP-1's PG-9 HEAT, which is basically just a tube launched RPG.
Для пехоты созданы, чтобы залазить на танк было удобнее, и чтобы слезть с него было труднее, + чтобы им было удобно сидеть на танке пока по ним стреляют)
Everytime my friends ask me what's the deal with T-34-85E I always answer, in case the tank crews want to take a rest they simply dismantle the bed from the tank so they don't sleep on the ground. IRL that cope bed frame is probably rated for portable launched anti-tank warhead or panzer 3 short barrel heat warhead.
Im sorry to break it to you but these HEAT shields are improvised. Theres a reason its called 'Bedframe Armor' as a joke, thats basically what it is. It was chicken-wire fence with a metal brace attached to the hull and turret sides. It was done by Soviet tank crews 'in the field' in Berlin to try and protect themselves against Panzerfausts in the narrow street fighting. In reality these didnt even work against them, it isnt proper cage armor like we see today. It was improvisation that only boosted morale/made the crew feel safer, whilst not actually offering any more protection. The chicken wire isnt strong enough to withstand the explosive, and it does not deform the shaped/hollow charge, thus it does not work even against Panzerfausts, yet alone way more powerful, tank-fired HEAT projectiles.
yep. it was against howitzers with heat shells, which does indeed work for it in game.. Its also could be against HE shells because HE shells react the most on ANY detonation before the main armor, while HEAT can still survive some distance before the main armor
It still pens because the heat shell detonates on the cage, but a carrot sized piece of metal (the conical liner) still travels forward and hits the weaker side armour,so pens, just not as well
My experience with pack premiums: I feel like they have more chance of surviving a hit when I'm in one or attacking one. KA-50 being the extreme example. Meanwhile my A6m5 ko (pack premium) can put out fire about half of the time. It's ridiculous that a wooden zero with no protection can put out a fire at all. The German KV-1C 756 has comparable turret armor as IS-1(both 100mm on the side and behind), yet my shell bounces on a KV-1C 756 more than half of the time from the side while no one seems to be able to kill me when I'm in one.
The add on armor for the H variant is added protection against Russian 14.5 mm AT rifles. They’re the same reason why the panther has those thin plates along it’s side. And as others have said, it’s also meant to make attaching explosives to the hull difficult, and to somewhat protect against light infantry held AT weapons, (rocket launchers, aforementioned AT rifles, etc).
I just wanted to say that I love those drawings in the thumbnail, is there a place to find more of these? I want to make a funny wallpaper with those xD
This mesh is designed for light HEAT projectiles, and specifically for anti-tank grenade launchers, the shells of which, when they hit the mesh, are crushed, due to which part of the jet loses its penetrating ability. That is why modern tank cumulative ammunition, like earlier, but heavier ones, easily penetrates a tank.
The Germans used magnetic anti-tank mines during World War II, and these nets are just the same needed against these mines and not against cumulative projectiles
It should work against the early HEAT like the Panzer III N or Toldi II but once the shell gets above those levels? Chicken wire just don't keep out the foxes.
cage armour wouldnt shrug off hesh because the hesh projecticle wouldnt instantly explode upon impact because it isnt a regular he shell the SH stands for squash head which means when the shell impacts an enemy vehicle the top of the shell squashes then the explosive inside the shell explodes which sends a shockwave through whatever it hit causing alot of shrapenel damage. the shockwave released from the explosion bounces back and forth inside the vehicle it hit which causes more damage and shrapenel damage. so even if the HESH round exploded on some cage armour it would still do alot of damage to the crew and vehicle
Slat armor is more designed to destroy or defrom the warhead to the point where the shape chrage wont created or created in a way weaker from Only works on older rpgs more modern ones will trigger the warhead before it deforms to much And war thunder dosent model that
It can protect you from HE, not HEAT. By the way, this "fishing net" can protect from being hit by an explosives more effective than HEAT, because HE just explode its body, unlike HEAT that make an explosive charge to penetrate. Mabey in Soviet Union there was a need to protect their tanks from Pzfaust cheap 'n' quick before they invent new way to protect tanks from HEAT. But, as we can see now, it wasn't really working, sadly.
The only cope cage I know does something is the Pershing one just because the long rods that it's mounted on count at 2 kilometers of amour according to volumetric, it's saved me about twice
Well... These shields are litteraly beds wielded to the armor lol) metal frame with an iron fence net ( i don't know how it's on endlish). Its protection is somewhat weak but it;s better than nothing) It'd be better to try it on an angled target... But who I am to give an advises for you) Stay healthy)
думаю стоит переснять тест, не показали эффективность таких экранов под разными углами, и для сравнения рядом такой же т-34-85 без экранов со стрельбой по нему
I'm pretty sure this protection was not made for defending against heat rounds, it was made for sleeping on. It's some bedframes and bedsprings some tankers slapped on their t 34 85
I wonder how those things work in war thunder, are they just a small bonus to armor? Because IRL those exact things are about 10% chance of catching a HEAT shell (it gets up to 50 if cages are made properly) and even if they don't, the damage to insides of the tank should be reduced, ask Ukrainian statistics from circa 2020, they had a lot of data on cage armor.
I know that this protection is made against panzerfausts and light HEAT launchers
I just decided to have some fun and see how good this thing is in the game
Try the add-on armor on the M46, it got like 1 meter gap between.
HEAT its HEAT
Panzerfaust is expected to pen more than 100mm tho
@@dartsenderAPFSDS depends on the variants. And it is just a warhead, not a projectile so if it gets triggered before hitting the main armor, it is pretty much disable. But these scrapes didn’t help either, i think it was made on field.
Just pointing out nearly all Panzerfausts had like 200mm of pen with the Panzerfaust 150 approaching like 300mm of pen, so they are fairly close to the early HEAT rounds
If the Anti heat screen had more space in between the armour, then it would be more effective. But maybe it can stop big HE shells. Can you test that next.
Yessir
not really, depending on the fuze such thin protection would not ignite it
It’s mostly there to protect against grenades, this was very helpful especially during urban combat
The M46 Patton has an add on armor application for that, is more spaced out but I've still been killed by HEAT with it on.
I don't bother with it not only do I find it useless, but it just makes me get spotted easier.
@@ShorThunder on is-2 they have screen with more space in between the armor
i think its protection was intended against hand held shaped charge(heat) weapons, for example Panzerfaust or Panzerschreck.
And what?
it was but didnt help much irl was more of cope thing in hopes of stopping it which it rarely did maype at weird angles
@@kingtiger6155 yeah, taking the idea from Javelin I think these early defenses weren't really planned in how big those were. Just a simple wireframe like that wasn't going to cut it. But as I mentioned in another video for the Western version attempts, even concrete and sandbags didn't stop those.
@@strategicperson95 well yea HEAT uses a explosive filler to turn copper into a super small bullet basically moving at above Mach 5 and can easily rip through armor the bazooka and the panzer Faust and Schreck used it,Explosively formed penetrators' are crazy
@@TheBear710 didnt those bust a hole on the crew if hit?
there's an IS-2 with that "anti heat" protection, but the protection is more separated from the armor than the t-34E one, u should try it
It's the 1944 IS 2, it's in the tech tree, dats nice
also the m46
I'm taking those cages off to cosplay a 6.0 IS-2
those kinda work, not for its br but ive been shot with 400mm heat at the most retarded angle possible and it stoped it , but you need super luck and a dumb opponent for that
It protected me from M51 HEAT shell once.
I think people seem to forget that HEAT does exist semi-commonly in low tiers. It's just not used at all. I'm pretty sure quite a lot of the Panzers and Stugs have a HEAT shell. They suck, so these bed frames would probably actually work against them noticably.
Unfortunately though in reality this was probably meant more for infantry AT launchers than tank fired HEAT.
HEAT on the Stug III A is not so bad in my opinion. 100mm pen on 2.3 is pretty sick, enables you to pen absolutely any armor for any range. Plus it has something like 2s reload time.
Meanwhile you are forced to use heat at many times in the Italian tree
Anyone who remembers how bad the P40 got nerfed when they changed Italian HEAT is a real one, thing used to not even one shot a BT-5's turret crew it was that sad
Whenever I test stuff like this I try to use shells that have similar pen values to what it would be facing, so for example I was looking at the M48 which would’ve encountered RPGs in Vietnam, and I think the LeKPz’s HEAT shell had more or less the same pen, so I used it
Bmp1 cannon is the same as a rpg with a different firing method
@@thecentralintelligenceagen9963 yeah, i was just using that specific shell for the pen values
@@Skip.8221 same pen
@@youlaughyouphill842 the one I was looking at (PG-7V) has 260mm of pen
For those wondering the song is a mild version(bass lowered)of vitality,a song fron helltaker🤓☝
Вроде как эти экраны придумали во время штурма Берлина и даже после тестового обстрела оказалось, что они нисколько не помогают, так что реализм, да
Поэтому это и каркасы от кроватей
@@Белый-ч8т тут дело не в том из чего они сделаны, а в том что они слишком близко к броне. Были бы они в 2.5 дальше от брони то скорее-всего были бы эффективны.
@@ЛизаЗыкина-г3ы это указание на колхозность и самопальность конструкции
@@Белый-ч8т ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Белый-ч8т тем не менее - они положили начало для такой вещи как ДЗ Контакт. Да и редко такое было в истории, что бы прям вот с первого раза что то добротное изобрели, без ошибок и т.д.
Tanknology has a good primer on 'statistical armor' and how these sorts of screens are supposed to work by crushing the fusing in PG-7s and the HEAT-FS shell of tanks. The extra stand-off distance makes little to no difference on penetration, HEAT shells are normally not set to their optimal stand-off range as it's usually longer than the practical length for the round.
The fact that the distance between the screen and the armor plate is extremely important for HEAT defense is a fact that even the very novice in the military field should know. Even the Allies in World War II found this out through tests later in the war.
Modern slat armour focuses on piercing the proyectile so that at least one side of the explosive is not contained inside the shell and thus the jet is subpar
To stop HEAT round such sort of "screens" must be much thicker than mesh of an old bed. It kinda works then - the metallic cone gets smashed with solid sticks and cannot make the torrent of quazi-liquid metal - penetrator of HEAT effect itself (cumulation in rus. terminology, or the "кумулятивная струя" [cu-mu-lya-tiv-na-ya / stru-ya] as it widely known in ru-net).
For example... American researches found that Pz IV H shielded turret gets penetrated by faustpatron straight through: the screen, 2 layers of turret side armour and then next layer of screen from other turret's side (200 mm of HEAT pen is enough).
In theory the cumulated torrent (HEAT penetrator) can ricochet. Some labs even managed to get this scenario, but IRL HEAT warheads are way too strong to let penetrator to leave like this. Because medium speed of the cumulation "torrent" is about ~8000 meters per second nearby the head and slows down to ~2000 about the tail.
(that's why HEAT penetrator is called some sort of "spray/torrent/jet/flow" in Russian ["струя"] + some special HEATs are called the "beating ball" [rus. "ударное ядро"] due to different shape of cumulation cone and the penetrator as result)
"Lets see if this bed frame can stop a tank shell."
- Someone from a country with a systemic addiction to Vodka
It seems to work well vs the common size of LAT (low-ish pin and 75 to the low 100s in size), and lowered the dmg of the mid size heat rounds as long as they had sub 200mm pin, All and all I say it worked.
Not surprising. The Panzer IV H has far better spacing with its skirts yet even that won't protect against the PT-76.
эти решётки нужны были против фауст патронов, в игре это естественно просто декор
.... Yes, Helltaker Music
sophisticated anti-tank shaped charge of hypersonic superheated explosive when it sees a metal wire fence from an elementary school strapped on an old ahh tank: guess i'll die
In the example of pt76 we can see that anti heat armor makes heat shells deal less damage
Do not forget about the fact that the PT76 just suckers damage from shells.
nah pt-76 is just awful
@@patrykK1028 skill issue
@@patrykK1028 it's not that bad, i find the m-51 heat worst
Those things were designed for you to sleep on and they just happen to be somewhat usefull against bazookas.
I bet my grandma has had such a bed frame.
The music song is from the game Helltaker,
Just search Helltaker ost
Queen of hell Lucifer: Love ❤ Pancakes
Music - "Vitality - VIP Edit | Mittsies"
I assumed so too, because I hear something familiar. Reminds me a lot of game Helltaker.
@@knochenmetzger6868 i think it was a version of the original soundtrack for people who donated to the game
I heard it too, good edit to vid
на фоне саундтрек из Helltaikera
A few years ago, this screen can save you against Abrams heat shells
Cope cage
OMG MUSIC FROM HELLTAKER???
I want to note
These are wire frame beds welded to the turret they are not going to do much
To be fair, the screens we more put in place to stop Panzerfaust warheads than tank shells
So here’s the thing, while improvised defenses like this were technically “designed to stop HEAT” that’s not their real purpose. Something like this would never stop a HEAT round, at least not reliably, but what it would do is make the crew feel a bit safer, and that’s the important part. The psychological effect of the crew *thinking,* “Well, we’re a little bit safer now,” is more important than the fact that this wouldn’t actually make them safer. It’s the same with the sandbags that US tankers piled all over their tanks; if a Panzerfaust has enough penetration to punch through double the thickness of your tank’s thickest armor, a couple of sandbags aren’t going to stop it, but it will make the crews feel like they’re doing *something* to protect themselves. Even that tiny amount of extra confidence is important.
When the field modification proves ineffective!
(Even against its intended target the panzerfaust)
my opinion is t34 85e to avoid panzerfaust class weapons for infantry
Well, a very decent result for a homemade screen made of scrap metal. Primitive means of protection against primitive cumulative projectiles - historically confirmed!
Most tank heat warhead actually benefit from those spaced plate as the focus point of the jet in normal use is way behind the armor it pens, to have it work you need the spaced armor to be nearly 1m away from the tank
Well, the problem here is that these screens were made in the field, by people who had no idea how anti-cumulative shields should work.
such protection is not for a right angle of impact. If the projectile arrives at an angle, the cumulative jet will have to go a longer way
This extra protection is not for tank HEAT shell, but for panzerfaust and similar grenades, which on slight contact trigger a cumulative shot (spray? Idk howto say it in English)
Well, we can't expect a lot for some beds weld to the tank. It works a little bit.
Ivan took his grandmothers bed and welded on his tank.
come on guys, how can you not know those grates are for hand grenades, so they don't get too close and don't damage sensitive parts of the tank.
It also works with magnetic mines
Incorrect, that mesh would not stop grenade fragments. It was primarily designed for detonating/deforming panzerfaust warheads. Though it was more of a psychological boost like the concrete armoured shermans.
@@vape9319 it is not to stop the splinters, but to keep away the grenades, which obviously have a small explosive, therefore little space is needed to lose most of the deflagration force, therefore the optics and other sensitive parts are much safer
@@paolopiccinelli8120 You might have a slight misunderstading of my point, as grenades have a miniscule TNT charge compared to satchel charges and artillery shells. The blast of ~50g of explosive is not that threatening to optics etc, the shrapnel is. The mesh screens would not protect against shrapnel, and the soviets knew that. Also grenades have a hard time staying to the flat and in somecase angled surfaces of tank armour and the mesh screens somewhat counteract this benefit. The primary anti-tank threat in areas where mesh screens were installed was panzerfaust, and having protection against relatively uncommon magnetic grenades was a plus.
Cages only decrease pen, not stop it from happening. Since t34 armor is around 80-60mm (if i remember correctly) it's obvious that pen of HEAT shell should be ~100mm or less for armor to widstand it
fun fact: the ad hoc armor failed. Panzerfausts and panzerschrecks could still pen through.
The "Anti-HEAT" shield that was made for the sole purpose of stopping Faustpatrone and Panzerfaust grenades that were too slow to negotiate a caged bed stuck on a tank... Yeah, let's shoot tank guns at it, same thing...
Helltaker music going hard though
It took me 4 hours to find this video after i accidentally refreshed UA-cam
There is 1 specific use case for this tank against heat, from a maus at long range on an angle, that's it.
Shape charge jet RHA penetration stats don't matter (or shouldn't) here because this defense works by disrupting the fusing and standoff. Its "all or nothing". Seems to be modelled fairly well because higher velocity HEAT rounds will be less affected by the the bedsprings, err.... slats because they are built stronger and resist disruption better. The Panzerfausts were really really slow. I guess that is why the M-8 HMC's HEAT was spoiled. Another likely stand in for a Panzerfaust or Bazooka, would be the BMP-1's PG-9 HEAT, which is basically just a tube launched RPG.
Для пехоты созданы, чтобы залазить на танк было удобнее, и чтобы слезть с него было труднее, + чтобы им было удобно сидеть на танке пока по ним стреляют)
Динамическая защита ввиде плоти очень даже эффективна)))
@@Ryjik_Nosik Очень по-жуковски сказано)
According to StarMedia document, even panzerfausts still pen, but they installed it anyway
This protection is just old military bed😂
Everytime my friends ask me what's the deal with T-34-85E I always answer, in case the tank crews want to take a rest they simply dismantle the bed from the tank so they don't sleep on the ground. IRL that cope bed frame is probably rated for portable launched anti-tank warhead or panzer 3 short barrel heat warhead.
At least it will protect your crew if someone throws a chicken at you.
panzerfausts almost has the same penetration with 75mm HEAT, it mean that this stuff actually work
The M3 heat just didn’t pen because the steel blocked it, not the cage armor
Mittsies - Vitality, though used in Helltaker, is not really a track from an artist I'd expect to hear randomly on a recommended video. Neat.
This is like the cage on m46 Patton lmao
Im sorry to break it to you but these HEAT shields are improvised. Theres a reason its called 'Bedframe Armor' as a joke, thats basically what it is. It was chicken-wire fence with a metal brace attached to the hull and turret sides. It was done by Soviet tank crews 'in the field' in Berlin to try and protect themselves against Panzerfausts in the narrow street fighting.
In reality these didnt even work against them, it isnt proper cage armor like we see today. It was improvisation that only boosted morale/made the crew feel safer, whilst not actually offering any more protection.
The chicken wire isnt strong enough to withstand the explosive, and it does not deform the shaped/hollow charge, thus it does not work even against Panzerfausts, yet alone way more powerful, tank-fired HEAT projectiles.
yep. it was against howitzers with heat shells, which does indeed work for it in game..
Its also could be against HE shells because HE shells react the most on ANY detonation before the main armor, while HEAT can still survive some distance before the main armor
It still pens because the heat shell detonates on the cage, but a carrot sized piece of metal (the conical liner) still travels forward and hits the weaker side armour,so pens, just not as well
So in a nutshell this thing protects from HEAT with 100 mm pen or less
My guy knows that helltaker 😏
My experience with pack premiums: I feel like they have more chance of surviving a hit when I'm in one or attacking one. KA-50 being the extreme example. Meanwhile my A6m5 ko (pack premium) can put out fire about half of the time. It's ridiculous that a wooden zero with no protection can put out a fire at all. The German KV-1C 756 has comparable turret armor as IS-1(both 100mm on the side and behind), yet my shell bounces on a KV-1C 756 more than half of the time from the side while no one seems to be able to kill me when I'm in one.
applies fence to the tank "new anti heat armor"
basically you get the pen by everything except HEAT that didn't have enough pen to pen your actual armor. noice
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In reality, those things didn't offer any extra protection, but at least the crew felt safer lol
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The Pz4H has also those anti HEAT things. Could you try them because in the Armor overview they work!
The add on armor for the H variant is added protection against Russian 14.5 mm AT rifles. They’re the same reason why the panther has those thin plates along it’s side. And as others have said, it’s also meant to make attaching explosives to the hull difficult, and to somewhat protect against light infantry held AT weapons, (rocket launchers, aforementioned AT rifles, etc).
I just wanted to say that I love those drawings in the thumbnail, is there a place to find more of these? I want to make a funny wallpaper with those xD
wouldn't the BMP-1s 73mm be a good test since its the closest thing to an RPG we have in-game?
the pt76 shot is close enough to that and is weaker but still goes through so an RPG-7 would still rip through it.
People before protection analysis:
This mesh is designed for light HEAT projectiles, and specifically for anti-tank grenade launchers, the shells of which, when they hit the mesh, are crushed, due to which part of the jet loses its penetrating ability. That is why modern tank cumulative ammunition, like earlier, but heavier ones, easily penetrates a tank.
The Germans used magnetic anti-tank mines during World War II, and these nets are just the same needed against these mines and not against cumulative projectiles
It should work against the early HEAT like the Panzer III N or Toldi II but once the shell gets above those levels? Chicken wire just don't keep out the foxes.
The soviet also founded out that this was useless that was expected to stand against the Panzerfaust
Probably used to prevent magnetic anti-tank shaped charges from sticking to the turret and engine.
Feels like those are more for he than heat. The molten jet is still traveling extremely fast
I think the Cope cage on the M-46 is better against BMP-1 RPG cannon
That crap means to protect against early heats and faust patrons at sharp angels and you shoot it by 400mm Cold War shell. Big brain moment)
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cage armour wouldnt shrug off hesh because the hesh projecticle wouldnt instantly explode upon impact because it isnt a regular he shell
the SH stands for squash head which means when the shell impacts an enemy vehicle the top of the shell squashes then the explosive inside the shell explodes which sends a shockwave through whatever it hit causing alot of shrapenel damage. the shockwave released from the explosion bounces back and forth inside the vehicle it hit which causes more damage and shrapenel damage. so even if the HESH round exploded on some cage armour it would still do alot of damage to the crew and vehicle
the net is designed to stop panzerfaust or sticky grenades, also it stop he shells too, is not build to stop tank shells
Slat armor is more designed to destroy or defrom the warhead to the point where the shape chrage wont created or created in a way weaker from
Only works on older rpgs more modern ones will trigger the warhead before it deforms to much
And war thunder dosent model that
It can protect you from HE, not HEAT. By the way, this "fishing net" can protect from being hit by an explosives more effective than HEAT, because HE just explode its body, unlike HEAT that make an explosive charge to penetrate.
Mabey in Soviet Union there was a need to protect their tanks from Pzfaust cheap 'n' quick before they invent new way to protect tanks from HEAT. But, as we can see now, it wasn't really working, sadly.
The only cope cage I know does something is the Pershing one just because the long rods that it's mounted on count at 2 kilometers of amour according to volumetric, it's saved me about twice
mfers never been shot by heat before in a t-34 with mesh armor acting like expert
Сетки ставились не против танков, а от фауст патронов у них там пробой под 80-100мм всего лишь
Well... These shields are litteraly beds wielded to the armor lol) metal frame with an iron fence net ( i don't know how it's on endlish). Its protection is somewhat weak but it;s better than nothing) It'd be better to try it on an angled target... But who I am to give an advises for you) Stay healthy)
думаю стоит переснять тест, не показали эффективность таких экранов под разными углами, и для сравнения рядом такой же т-34-85 без экранов со стрельбой по нему
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The Russian’s were just bringing their beds around and now everyone thinks it’s armor. Lol 😅😅
The M8's heat couldn't pen since I will have a hard time penetrating the T-34 main armor in the first place.
The M8 Couldn’t even penetrate it without the cope fence. … pretty sure at least.
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That was very interesting experiment, I encourage you to conduct more)
I think the most realistic way to test it is with the Sturmpanzer's HE and not HEAT lmao
Cope armor wouldn't even be needed.
Dunno about you but the bed frames deflected rounds from things that would have killed a newborn T34-85. At least in my case.
So it's useful as long as you can travel through time
I had a moment where multiple type 90 shells just not pen it was funny
I didn’t know that in fact a rustic wire fence is an anti-cumulative screen
The only thing I learned in the video is that the sturmpanzer has heat
I'm pretty sure this protection was not made for defending against heat rounds, it was made for sleeping on. It's some bedframes and bedsprings some tankers slapped on their t 34 85
This extra protection have been invented for panzerfaust ......
I wonder how those things work in war thunder, are they just a small bonus to armor? Because IRL those exact things are about 10% chance of catching a HEAT shell (it gets up to 50 if cages are made properly) and even if they don't, the damage to insides of the tank should be reduced, ask Ukrainian statistics from circa 2020, they had a lot of data on cage armor.
Should only be expected to have an effect on, say, the Pz4's HEAT
My suggestion is that its made against Magnetic Mines and not Panzerfausts