I agree with Skye too about just being tired & cant take any news or social media. I feel like this administration will steal 4 more years of my peaceful life if I listen or read about it 😢
I am just horrified at the way Trump replied like a spoilt brat calling her "nasty". And a so called Christian calling her church the work of Satan. Yet Loving and Forgiveness is the key message of Jesus and several other prophets before him. In the words of a top biblical scholar, they need to grow the hell up!
Oh boy. Wait until your future selves see the circus that is Trump's inauguration, including Musk's Nazi salute and the pastor of the National Cathedral daring to call Trump out. It was gold to watch he and his family's facial expressions! I did see this stuff without intending but these shorts popped up on UA-cam.
I sent my daughter to a K-8 Lutheran grade school and all the sexism turned her into a feminist. She wanted to leave but I figured public school would be worse with all the bullying and whatnot, so she went all the way through 8th grade. COVID prompted us to consider an online HS so she went to ASU Prep online for a year. But human interactions were non-existent so she hated it. She then picked a public charter school with all the kinds of kids that her K-8 school told her to stay away from. She's much happier. Kaitlyn is correct that college is about the whole person. We're not just robots to learn a task. And God didn't put us on this earth to make other people rich.
I really don't listen to faith stuff often but the Holy Post has been pretty good. It's pretty refreshing to see people who get what I've been seeing and concerned about. There's a huge amount of influencers and news outlets that have been what I can only feel is sowing seeds of hatred. They cover topics about their pet enemies and rarely ever hold the people of their own "tribe" responsible. They've become a mirror of the political left. My mother-in-law consumes FOX news daily essentially consumes hours of content that youtube feeds her for hours on end, and this storm progresses, she grows angrier each day and says and does things she criticizes others of doing. At this point, I've been choking on vitriol of both sides, lambasted by propaganda on top of propaganda upon propaganda. With Hispanics, its incredibly complicated because there's a lot of factors that can decide who we vote for.
In-group/out-group dynamics have been the glue that holds churches together from the very beginning. It shouldn't be too surprising that evangelicalism transformed so quickly into nationalism
I just want to chime in to thank Phil for speaking out against purity culture. I was a very sweet and innocent, very dorky youth group girl. Left to my own devices, I would not have pursued “impure” behavior. However, because purity culture made such an idol of abstinence, it made everything weird. Extreme neuroses were planted in me, such that when I finally married - a virgin - at the age of thirty-eight, I spent my honeymoon weeping because I could not have sex with my husband. I had internalized so much unearned guilt and shame surrounding sex that my body reacted as if I was being attacked. Straight panic mode. It is still difficult for me two and a half years into marriage, even though I love my husband and am physically attracted to him. I share these deeply personal details because I believe it is important to show how harmful purity culture was for me, as an example of my generation. I have known others from my same youth group who suffered similarly, or just deadened themselves to any form of sexuality at all, such that they could not form romantic relationships. I will never stop speaking out against purity culture because of the vast harm it has done.
Maybe the problem with Christians and politics is that (we) try extract and extrapolate ALL our political framework, political ideas, political justifications from the Bible when every practical idea or method for the modern world is not always there.
I think you're on to something... especially regarding details. The Bible might give some ethical/moral skeleton to things... but it's just a skeleton. There's a whole lot of other details that we're given the responsibility to flesh out, in hopes of getting as close to the ethical/justice/flourishing life mark as possible. It's why american conservative hissy-fits over single-payer healthcare, etc, and their ham-fisted ways of trying to throw scripture around as support for their opposition always baffled me... It's clear the results are better, more just, more healthy/life supporting! Does God really care that your proof-text phrase seems to support your american way or critiques the better way? No, look at the overall results on the ground - if it's more life supporting flourishing, then it IS Biblical. Period No direct link needed...
@@holyfreak86acting justly includes not exploiting workers to make a quick buck, not ignoring risks to their safety, etc… “Worker’s rights” could mean many things but relations between people are not really different.
Just a couple days in and we've got the richest man in the world dropping sieg heils while Trump puts mass deportations in motions. Meanwhile, evangelicals do backbends to justify, excuse, or voice support of such behavior. Gonna be a long 4 years mi amigos O_o
I don’t object to encouraging moral development at school, but in general, it ought to come from the home first. Things like this get mandated in schools because the powers that be can control teachers more than they can control parents.
The message that was sent is the majority of Americans don’t want ILLEGAL/UNDOCUMENTED immigrants. Maybe I missed the context but why are we not making that differentiation? Wanting a safe structure for immigration doesn’t ≠ racism or nationalism
I think the message is broader than that... I would love to believe that Maga (only about 40%) only wants to deal in good faith with illegal/undocumented immigrants... but I haven't been given evidence of that, especially when the current pres, blew up a tough bi-partisan Congress bill that would have addressed exactly what you're talking about... (that's just one data point - there are many, many more that suggest Maga wants to do more than just a 'safe' structure for immigration...)
If the rhetoric coming from the right only said that, fine, but they are grossly exaggerating the crime rate among undocumented migrants, fear-mongering to get votes-and it worked. Now watch how inhumane treatment grows under men who lack Christian compassion.
I valued my education at a secular university and the opportunity to be a Christian in a secular environment. Now I am about a decade away from my kids going to a university. Which do y'all see as more beneficial?
Christians need to know how to live in and be a witness in a secular world, not withdraw. Yet many church communities in the USA are now dysfunctional with toxic Christian Nationalism (conflation of Church & State). It depends what options you have. There are private Christian schools founded on racism. Beware. And no matter how great a Christian education you pursue at home or outside, your children may decide to reject what they were taught to believe. Each child has different needs. Pray and choose wisely. Live out the gospel.
I refused to watch the inauguration live. I watched it later with Hasan Piker doing the commentary. Don't give Trump the ratings. Watch the replay with trusted commentators.
While the gospels don't present a systematic exposition of ethics they were writen in Greek and so one would expect there to be a substantial cross over with things like Aristotle's virtue ethics. There must be a books wth titles like was jesus a stoic or a .....
Coming from the evangelical world hearing Skye use the phrase "struggling with their gender identity" sounds a little too similar to the phrase "struggling with same sex attraction". As though there is a fight that can be won if you have enough faith and or psychological help.
Skye tends to be the most vocally conservative of the three hosts, especially about LGBTQ issues. I really wish they'd bring on a transgender person as a guest, and not one who treats it like a sin, but it seems unlikely as it might be a step too far outside the tribal taboos of the hosts.
@@michaelrogerson6939 I've started listening to the New Evangelicals podcasts. Might not be your thing, but it's giving me hope. Especially in light of recent events.
I swung from the right to the left to the 'messy middle' as I call it, so these days I really appreciate when people who clearly lean one way sincerely try to understand those on the other side. So here on THP, I would love to see some interviews with thoughtful people who lean to the right (not necessarily hardcore MAGA folks, but people who still vote Republican for various reasons), with the goal of sincerely trying to understand their concerns better. There's been so much talking *about* them and very little talking *with* them.
"Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but because out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed. That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore. They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?" -Julius Goat
@@batmanop9254 To presuppose that the current situation is in the same vein as WW2 Germany is factually erroneous. I have my concerns about the overlaps (e.g. Steven Miller's speech at MSG), but as a history major, I know that no two situations can be remotely identical. I studied European history at university, so I know that you're also incorrect that historians don't care about the motives of the 1930s era Germans. Beyond that, to paint every single conservative with a broad brush is a logical fallacy. It also doesn't take the golden rule into account - you wouldn't want to be lumped in with the most extreme liberals. I've heard some liberals discuss with amusement the idea of exterminating Christians. Most liberals would object to being lumped in with them. If you're a Christian, then Scripture (not some vague, simplistic claim about historians) is the authority we look to about how to treat people with whom we disagree. Biblically speaking, there are no grounds for stigmatizing and also refusing to relate with and seek to understand our neighbours, even if we consider them our enemies.
If you’re asking…adultery (including rape), lying, stealing, idol/self worship, envy/jealousy (coveting), “works” on sabbath…I can go on, but I figured I’d start with the 10 commandments. Wish we had a prophet writing all this down. It’d start with “King Dumpsafunt did not walk in the ways of the Lord…” Wonder what our punishment will be? Probably exile.
The last interview seems to treat the transgender issue as if it's on the same level as civil rights. If you think that's true then you and God have a large disagreement. This isn't just people adjusting to "change" or fear mongering. It's dangerous ideology children should be protected from and if you think it's fear mongering your head is in the sand. If you think it's fine, or think passivity is the anwser, you have to settle in your mind that you and God aren't on the same page. Also shut up about justice while your at it.
@batmanop9254 Hi Batman, several. Jesus for example affirms the nuclear family, two genders and marriage between a man and woman(matthew 19:5). Now instead of trying to deconstruct whatever I say, what passages AFFIRM your view, which is likely the lgbtq affirming view. Chapter and verses please.
@@concernedkermit8190 I gotta push back a bit on the idea that Matthew 19:5 definitively affirms the nuclear family, two genders, or heterosexual marriage the way you’re framing it. In that passage, Jesus is addressing a question about divorce, quoting Genesis to make a point about the unity of marriage. He’s not laying out a blueprint for modern society or dropping a cosmic mic about LGBTQ+ issues. And let’s be real-interpreting the Bible isn’t as simple as saying, “Jesus said it, so it’s all crystal clear.” Jesus had a knack for flipping expectations. Remember Luke 14:26? The one where he said you’ve got to hate your family to follow him? Not exactly Hallmark card material. The point is, Jesus was way more concerned with deeper values-like loyalty to God and loving others-than with prescribing societal norms. When it comes to gender, sexuality, and LGBTQ+ topics, the Bible doesn’t explicitly address them in the way we understand these issues today. What we do see, though, is a constant drumbeat of love, inclusion, and justice. Galatians 3:28, for example, says there’s no Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female in Christ-we’re all one. That’s a pretty big hint that unity and compassion matter more than drawing rigid lines. Which brings me to a tough question for all of us: Are our interpretations of the Bible reflecting its overarching message of love and grace, or are they just rubber-stamping our own personal biases? Let’s face it-it’s way too easy to pick a verse, slap it on a worldview, and call it biblical, whether it is or not. But Jesus wasn’t about proof-texting or wielding Scripture like a weapon; he was about challenging us to love better, think deeper, and be kinder. So, I’d argue it’s worth asking: Does our take on these issues reflect Jesus’ radical compassion, or are we using the Bible to back up stuff we already believe? It’s a question we all have to wrestle with, myself included. Anyway, thanks for sharing your perspective-it’s always good to have these conversations, even when we don’t agree.
any thoughts on Christian nationalism, this is individual is probably one of the leaders especially at 1:12:00 - Creating A Christian Cultureua-cam.com/video/VEbSkmX0iQk/v-deo.htmlsi=ofmjLgvv1VwgUIrh
'Chances not zero' is such a stat line! lol!! Helmet sticker Kait!
Yes! Skye, I am with you. I can't bear to watch any news, social media and probably won't for the next 4 years.
I agree with Skye too about just being tired & cant take any news or social media. I feel like this administration will steal 4 more years of my peaceful life if I listen or read about it 😢
Bishop Budde just showed us the way to stand up for the marginalized. Take notes class!
I am just horrified at the way Trump replied like a spoilt brat calling her "nasty". And a so called Christian calling her church the work of Satan. Yet Loving and Forgiveness is the key message of Jesus and several other prophets before him.
In the words of a top biblical scholar, they need to grow the hell up!
@@72Jspencer they also need to learn to think critically and Google competently.
@@72Jspencer They've fallen so far that someone saying "be a decent human being" makes them a "nasty radical leftist"
Oh boy. Wait until your future selves see the circus that is Trump's inauguration, including Musk's Nazi salute and the pastor of the National Cathedral daring to call Trump out. It was gold to watch he and his family's facial expressions! I did see this stuff without intending but these shorts popped up on UA-cam.
I sent my daughter to a K-8 Lutheran grade school and all the sexism turned her into a feminist. She wanted to leave but I figured public school would be worse with all the bullying and whatnot, so she went all the way through 8th grade. COVID prompted us to consider an online HS so she went to ASU Prep online for a year. But human interactions were non-existent so she hated it. She then picked a public charter school with all the kinds of kids that her K-8 school told her to stay away from. She's much happier.
Kaitlyn is correct that college is about the whole person. We're not just robots to learn a task. And God didn't put us on this earth to make other people rich.
I really don't listen to faith stuff often but the Holy Post has been pretty good. It's pretty refreshing to see people who get what I've been seeing and concerned about. There's a huge amount of influencers and news outlets that have been what I can only feel is sowing seeds of hatred. They cover topics about their pet enemies and rarely ever hold the people of their own "tribe" responsible. They've become a mirror of the political left. My mother-in-law consumes FOX news daily essentially consumes hours of content that youtube feeds her for hours on end, and this storm progresses, she grows angrier each day and says and does things she criticizes others of doing. At this point, I've been choking on vitriol of both sides, lambasted by propaganda on top of propaganda upon propaganda.
With Hispanics, its incredibly complicated because there's a lot of factors that can decide who we vote for.
If you want lukewarm faith, Holy Post will sadly be sufficient.
The both-sides-ism is really strong here.
Kaitlyn’s mind works faster than my lizard brain can process.
14:50 For those curious, the crow study that Phil mentioned is part of the latest This American Life podcast (episode 851)
In-group/out-group dynamics have been the glue that holds churches together from the very beginning. It shouldn't be too surprising that evangelicalism transformed so quickly into nationalism
I just want to chime in to thank Phil for speaking out against purity culture. I was a very sweet and innocent, very dorky youth group girl. Left to my own devices, I would not have pursued “impure” behavior. However, because purity culture made such an idol of abstinence, it made everything weird.
Extreme neuroses were planted in me, such that when I finally married - a virgin - at the age of thirty-eight, I spent my honeymoon weeping because I could not have sex with my husband. I had internalized so much unearned guilt and shame surrounding sex that my body reacted as if I was being attacked. Straight panic mode. It is still difficult for me two and a half years into marriage, even though I love my husband and am physically attracted to him.
I share these deeply personal details because I believe it is important to show how harmful purity culture was for me, as an example of my generation.
I have known others from my same youth group who suffered similarly, or just deadened themselves to any form of sexuality at all, such that they could not form romantic relationships. I will never stop speaking out against purity culture because of the vast harm it has done.
Maybe the problem with Christians and politics is that (we) try extract and extrapolate ALL our political framework, political ideas, political justifications from the Bible when every practical idea or method for the modern world is not always there.
I think you're on to something... especially regarding details. The Bible might give some ethical/moral skeleton to things... but it's just a skeleton. There's a whole lot of other details that we're given the responsibility to flesh out, in hopes of getting as close to the ethical/justice/flourishing life mark as possible. It's why american conservative hissy-fits over single-payer healthcare, etc, and their ham-fisted ways of trying to throw scripture around as support for their opposition always baffled me... It's clear the results are better, more just, more healthy/life supporting! Does God really care that your proof-text phrase seems to support your american way or critiques the better way? No, look at the overall results on the ground - if it's more life supporting flourishing, then it IS Biblical. Period No direct link needed...
Act justly, love mercy, walk humbly are timeless approaches.
@Justanotherconsumer yes, but defend the right of workers for instance...
@@holyfreak86acting justly includes not exploiting workers to make a quick buck, not ignoring risks to their safety, etc…
“Worker’s rights” could mean many things but relations between people are not really different.
Just a couple days in and we've got the richest man in the world dropping sieg heils while Trump puts mass deportations in motions. Meanwhile, evangelicals do backbends to justify, excuse, or voice support of such behavior. Gonna be a long 4 years mi amigos O_o
As a historian, I really had to watch - yes it was like watching a train wreck
You guys are the only christians I take seriously and respect, well besides my mom, and I'm an atheist. Take that as you may.
This idea of a set of moral standards for the Christian right would ring more true if they weren’t disregarding it with all their leaders
I don’t object to encouraging moral development at school, but in general, it ought to come from the home first. Things like this get mandated in schools because the powers that be can control teachers more than they can control parents.
It should come from the home first, but it doesn't. For example, for many kids, if they don't get sex education in school, they won't get it at all.
@ Agree 100%! Don’t get me started on the list of things that fit that description.
I love hearing about the school where my kids went, Calvin!
Welcome to the world created by Ayn Rand believers and followers.
The message that was sent is the majority of Americans don’t want ILLEGAL/UNDOCUMENTED immigrants. Maybe I missed the context but why are we not making that differentiation? Wanting a safe structure for immigration doesn’t ≠ racism or nationalism
It does when people only complain about illegal or undocumented immigrants when they're brown.
I think the message is broader than that... I would love to believe that Maga (only about 40%) only wants to deal in good faith with illegal/undocumented immigrants... but I haven't been given evidence of that, especially when the current pres, blew up a tough bi-partisan Congress bill that would have addressed exactly what you're talking about... (that's just one data point - there are many, many more that suggest Maga wants to do more than just a 'safe' structure for immigration...)
If the rhetoric coming from the right only said that, fine, but they are grossly exaggerating the crime rate among undocumented migrants, fear-mongering to get votes-and it worked. Now watch how inhumane treatment grows under men who lack Christian compassion.
There are some truly atrocious ads at the beginning of the podcasts. I realize that’s UA-cam, but, wow! Gross stuff.
I valued my education at a secular university and the opportunity to be a Christian in a secular environment. Now I am about a decade away from my kids going to a university. Which do y'all see as more beneficial?
Christians need to know how to live in and be a witness in a secular world, not withdraw. Yet many church communities in the USA are now dysfunctional with toxic Christian Nationalism (conflation of Church & State). It depends what options you have. There are private Christian schools founded on racism. Beware. And no matter how great a Christian education you pursue at home or outside, your children may decide to reject what they were taught to believe. Each child has different needs. Pray and choose wisely. Live out the gospel.
Your ads are getting ridiculous. Can't wait to hear what you have to say next episode.
I refused to watch the inauguration live. I watched it later with Hasan Piker doing the commentary. Don't give Trump the ratings. Watch the replay with trusted commentators.
Hasan Piker, a trusted commentator? Yikes.
@pickledorf okay, klan
@@bkucenskiKlan? Weak tea dude.
@@pickledorf nobody hates leftists more than fascists.
While the gospels don't present a systematic exposition of ethics they were writen in Greek and so one would expect there to be a substantial cross over with things like Aristotle's virtue ethics. There must be a books wth titles like was jesus a stoic or a .....
Coming from the evangelical world hearing Skye use the phrase "struggling with their gender identity" sounds a little too similar to the phrase "struggling with same sex attraction". As though there is a fight that can be won if you have enough faith and or psychological help.
Skye tends to be the most vocally conservative of the three hosts, especially about LGBTQ issues. I really wish they'd bring on a transgender person as a guest, and not one who treats it like a sin, but it seems unlikely as it might be a step too far outside the tribal taboos of the hosts.
@@michaelrogerson6939 they might as well. The far right already hates them.
@@michaelrogerson6939 I've started listening to the New Evangelicals podcasts. Might not be your thing, but it's giving me hope. Especially in light of recent events.
I swung from the right to the left to the 'messy middle' as I call it, so these days I really appreciate when people who clearly lean one way sincerely try to understand those on the other side. So here on THP, I would love to see some interviews with thoughtful people who lean to the right (not necessarily hardcore MAGA folks, but people who still vote Republican for various reasons), with the goal of sincerely trying to understand their concerns better. There's been so much talking *about* them and very little talking *with* them.
"Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but because out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.
They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?"
-Julius Goat
@@batmanop9254 To presuppose that the current situation is in the same vein as WW2 Germany is factually erroneous. I have my concerns about the overlaps (e.g. Steven Miller's speech at MSG), but as a history major, I know that no two situations can be remotely identical. I studied European history at university, so I know that you're also incorrect that historians don't care about the motives of the 1930s era Germans. Beyond that, to paint every single conservative with a broad brush is a logical fallacy. It also doesn't take the golden rule into account - you wouldn't want to be lumped in with the most extreme liberals. I've heard some liberals discuss with amusement the idea of exterminating Christians. Most liberals would object to being lumped in with them.
If you're a Christian, then Scripture (not some vague, simplistic claim about historians) is the authority we look to about how to treat people with whom we disagree. Biblically speaking, there are no grounds for stigmatizing and also refusing to relate with and seek to understand our neighbours, even if we consider them our enemies.
The movie ‘THEM’
See I was thinking "A Bug's Life" 😂
What are 47's core sins? Is that why evangelicals support him?
If you’re asking…adultery (including rape), lying, stealing, idol/self worship, envy/jealousy (coveting), “works” on sabbath…I can go on, but I figured I’d start with the 10 commandments.
Wish we had a prophet writing all this down. It’d start with “King Dumpsafunt did not walk in the ways of the Lord…” Wonder what our punishment will be? Probably exile.
The Republican Party isn’t healthy right now?? lol
The last interview seems to treat the transgender issue as if it's on the same level as civil rights.
If you think that's true then you and God have a large disagreement. This isn't just people adjusting to "change" or fear mongering. It's dangerous ideology children should be protected from and if you think it's fear mongering your head is in the sand. If you think it's fine, or think passivity is the anwser, you have to settle in your mind that you and God aren't on the same page. Also shut up about justice while your at it.
What Bible passages inform your opinion about sex, sexuality, and gender?
@batmanop9254 Hi Batman, several. Jesus for example affirms the nuclear family, two genders and marriage between a man and woman(matthew 19:5). Now instead of trying to deconstruct whatever I say, what passages AFFIRM your view, which is likely the lgbtq affirming view. Chapter and verses please.
@@concernedkermit8190 I gotta push back a bit on the idea that Matthew 19:5 definitively affirms the nuclear family, two genders, or heterosexual marriage the way you’re framing it. In that passage, Jesus is addressing a question about divorce, quoting Genesis to make a point about the unity of marriage. He’s not laying out a blueprint for modern society or dropping a cosmic mic about LGBTQ+ issues.
And let’s be real-interpreting the Bible isn’t as simple as saying, “Jesus said it, so it’s all crystal clear.” Jesus had a knack for flipping expectations. Remember Luke 14:26? The one where he said you’ve got to hate your family to follow him? Not exactly Hallmark card material. The point is, Jesus was way more concerned with deeper values-like loyalty to God and loving others-than with prescribing societal norms.
When it comes to gender, sexuality, and LGBTQ+ topics, the Bible doesn’t explicitly address them in the way we understand these issues today. What we do see, though, is a constant drumbeat of love, inclusion, and justice. Galatians 3:28, for example, says there’s no Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female in Christ-we’re all one. That’s a pretty big hint that unity and compassion matter more than drawing rigid lines.
Which brings me to a tough question for all of us: Are our interpretations of the Bible reflecting its overarching message of love and grace, or are they just rubber-stamping our own personal biases? Let’s face it-it’s way too easy to pick a verse, slap it on a worldview, and call it biblical, whether it is or not. But Jesus wasn’t about proof-texting or wielding Scripture like a weapon; he was about challenging us to love better, think deeper, and be kinder.
So, I’d argue it’s worth asking: Does our take on these issues reflect Jesus’ radical compassion, or are we using the Bible to back up stuff we already believe? It’s a question we all have to wrestle with, myself included. Anyway, thanks for sharing your perspective-it’s always good to have these conversations, even when we don’t agree.
any thoughts on Christian nationalism, this is individual is probably one of the leaders especially at 1:12:00 - Creating A Christian Cultureua-cam.com/video/VEbSkmX0iQk/v-deo.htmlsi=ofmjLgvv1VwgUIrh