It was pretty much Collett's plan as a swipe at the pomposity of aristocracy by naming an antiquated looking locomotive after Earls, there were howls of protest from a number of them and any use of Earl's names on future build locomotives were on the latter build Castle class.
as a physics major, it might be that the Earl's wheel have worse kinetic friction, but better static friction. This means that, once it starts wheel slipping, as in your power test, it will perform poorly, but untill the wheels start to slip it grips fairly well.
@@SamsTrains yeah, checking wheel slip is actually one of the big things that you need to be a great engine driver, because it reduces the tractive effort so much. Some quick googling of coefficients of friction indicates that the loss of traction for steel on steel in dry conditions between the wheels gripping and the wheels slipping is between 15%-40% traction loss, based on different peoples' calculations, and the variance is even higher when different metals and alloys are takin into account. Trains are sometimes completely unable to start at full power, because the bearings on all the wagons have the higher static friction, and the wheels slip, and have the lower kinetic friction, but a skilled engineer can still get the train moving by easing the regulator to maintain traction, and picking up the cars one at a time to go from static to kinetic friction in the bearings, because once the wheels start to turn, it takes less force to keep them turning than it did to get them started. This is how something like Edward's Exploit in the railway series works from a physics angle. Without his connecting rods, Edward has just as much power as before, but about half the tractive effort, so they had to use these sorts of tricks to overcome the kinetic friction and get the train moving, rather than just opening the regulator and going. This is why I've never really understood why you like seeing wheel slip in models, to me avoiding wheel slip is more interesting, and is more realistic because real engine drivers would try hard to avoid it. It is better than burning out the motor with traction tires, though, I agree that that's just cheating, and that there would be wheel slip if you just set the power up to full. Sorry for the wall of text, I just love talking about this sort of thing, but it's only worth a short comment if I don't know if someone cares.
@@bow-tiedengineer4453 Interesting however is that if wheels are allowed to slip by something like 5% of the speed, the coefficient of friction between a steel rail and steel wheel is slightly higher than the static case, so you get very slightly higher applied tractive effort. Of course on a steam locomotive, whilst this is potentially possible for a very experienced driver to achieve, there is great danger of the slip becoming uncontrolled. But with modern electrical control gear and comparing the wheels' rotational speed (measured with a conventional speedometer) and the actual locomotive speed (measured with a doppler radar) you can actually achieve that condition, and it is used in some of the freight locomotives operating in the UK. On a steam locomotive however, a prolonged uncontrolled slip can result in destructive testing of the motion rods... so is avoided at all costs. On a model I agree prolonged slipping is generally best avoided.
I remember you reviewed this locomotive a couple of years ago. I like the old fashioned look for this 4-4-0 locomotive, I didn’t expect this locomotive to be built in the 1930s, it almost looks like something that’s made in the 1890s or 1900s. I guess those people really like old fashioned 4-4-0s to bring some nostalgia back.
The reson for the same amount of the same result on a newtonmeter can be that the meter has been de-gauged as pulling the string stretches it over time, hope it explains a bit :)
In my opinion, the “Dukedogs” are certainly very interesting locomotives. I mean, a Duke class being fitted to Bulldog frames, how incredible. Also, the first one of these engines was built in 1956.
I tend to throw myself out the nearest window whenever the mention of Bachmann comes up. Too many of my mates and I have been burned. Watched Sam's review incredulously, but he gave it high marks and explained why. I did what I swore never to do again and bought one, international shipping fees and all. It performed just like Sam said it would, and it is wonderful in all regards. Couldn't be happier. I only buy once I have seen what Sam has to say. The man is a straight shooter and gives an exceptionally fair and balanced analysis. Sam is a rare gem, and he who fails to heed his advice is on thin ice. But hey, it's your hard earned money, spend it as you please. But keep the receipt.
Hi Sam great video: Main allocation was the Cambrian main line, it had locomotive weight restrictions (only a little over 40 tons!). In the middle of the system was the lengthy & light Barmouth wooden bridge. The weight restriction meant that these and the GWR 2251 class & the LMS Ivatt Class 2 2-6-0 were one of the few classes of locomotive that were light enough, they lasted into the 1950s due to this.
Hi Sam Based on your review I took the risk and bought one. I had it from the retailer that the sound fitted version would work on my DC layout and give me sound - I just would not be able to control this. It works superbly. At about 70 on my dual Gaugemaster it gives the hissing sound of a loco at the station, a bit more and then it gives a squeal and at 80 it is away making puffing sounds. They seem a bit faster if I increase it further. The speed varies only in the 80 - 100 range and at the top is not express pace - which is fine. The Dapol chip does the same (it says in the instructions) and Rapido say their Wisebach J70 will do the same I suggest you try buying one and review it. Perhaps one of the recent awful crawlers. Love your reviews. You have really grown their comprehensive coverage of the locos and rolling stock, have consistent values to all manufacturers and really help us to know whether we should venture out with air hard earned money. All the best Martin
Although this reviews two years old, it is still nice to see, it's one I didn't have in the collection yet, but just bought a second hand one, even with DCC sound on board. This review was very helpful, and in general Bachmann is always that bit extra, in comparison with evierige of other brands. To be honest, most of my favorite models are mostly made by Bachmann. again thanks for the review…
Thanks a lot Ciaran - that's certainly true - I need to develop a way of fitting a 5 pole, now I can make new fittings with the 3D printer! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
i love the dukedogs and i also love how when collett named them it was a joke towards the railway directors at the time who wanted locos named after them and as for the model along with the city class easily my fav pairing of locos from the gwr
I brought mine (BR black) 3,5 years ago, new, for 89.50 GBP. I usually run it with 3 Corridor Coach (BR Crimson/Cream), and i had no problem with it in the first 2 years, but I haven't opened its box since 2020 Jun. BTW the tank-like detail part goes under the tender!
I think the weight is better distributed than on the D class. That’ll be due to those heavy die cast outside frames - which are thicker and therefore heavier around the driving wheels than on the bogie end. So the majority of the weight is on the driving wheels which is what you want. Great little engine and great review. A five pole motor replacement would do wonders.
The long thin parts are the stay bars that go between the axleboxes of the driving wheels, Bachmann have designed it so you can clip it in place so you have ease of access to the the mechansim and driving wheels
static and dynamic measurements normally differ small real world thing and yes bends and gradients is among them. im A SUCKER FOR 440'S, ONE BUILT WHEN ELEGANCE WAS A SERVICE REQUIREMENT AND THE CITY PATTERN CONNECTING RODS ARE THE CHERRY ON THE TOP
I suggest the reason why it has a better traction effort than the dapol is most likely due to the way that the mechanism is designed unless they have the same mechanism in which case it is a total mystery
I picked up one 2nd hand today, 9003 in GWR green and DCC fitted, for £100. However, it lacks the tender coal load, and it seems to have had its front bogie screw and spring removed, replaced with a long thin screw. I look forward to running it, but I am aware I may need to seek a new screw and spring.
god every single time i hear the term "duke dogs" for this engine i just cant help but think of the Thomas the tank engine episode "bulldog that has *duke* and is named a *bulldog* I SMELL SOME INSPIRATION
Another great review, as always. For the date these lovely engines were built, I guessed around the 1910s, but the 1930s really surprised me. Also, for once, I think I spotted the odd one out, my guess is the 2-6-0 on the turntable. (Don't know the class) I noticed basically all the others were 4-4-0s but not that one.
I just got one of these in N Gauge, thought it looked quite familiar from the thumbnail! Tis a Union Mills model, full cast metal, 137g, able to pull your teeth out if given the chance and only £85, only bad side is the detail is basic but still looks the great.
I had a couple of Union Mills locos when I was doing N, and I've seen reviews of others (in the N Gauge Society newsletter) Incredibly powerful kit for the size. (One review I read was loco pulling over 40 wagons. The reviewer couldn't get it to pull any more because he'd run out track!) Sam might like to review N locos generally and Union Mills ones in particular, but is there space in his loft??
@@SeatedViper I've got the odd couple of UM models now, and have used the powered bogies for some kit builds, really good runners. Think he should (if he wants to anyway) go with just a mini layout that could sit in the middle of the room, perhaps something which can be put into a cupboard when not in use.
Just received one of these last week, DCC Sound Fitted. Had to send the thing back, all the sounds were present, but the loco wouldn't budge. Tried all the regular tricks (changing cv's, loco address etc) bit nothing helped. 😑 Hoping TMC can source me another one as it's a gorgeous thing.
A very very decent model, I'll definitely get one if I can find one for a good price, hopefully I won't experience any motor problems. Excellent review as always Sam :D
The dukedog's are quite fascinating, the history certainly is something to laugh at, the mechanism on this model is too... anyway great review! -TheImperialDiamondSpinosaurus
Would you be interested in reviewing some modern American diesel locomotives and/or cars (wagons)? I have a couple of GE dash 9s and EMD GP-38-2s and quite the assortment of freight cars as well. If you'd like more information in regard to specific models and can provide that as well. Have a great day :)
my 3200 can't even pull 2 coaches without stalling or destroying the track and there's my G2A hauling 18 open wagons filled with dowels up the steepest gradient on my layout (in scale about 1 in 62) without braking a sweat or having a banker
It looks an awesome little loco, and mechanically should be the same as the 3400 City class (mine runs perfectly on DCC). A shame this one has an issue though. I need to get one for myself. Of course, these were superseded by the Manors on the Cambrian Coast line, which were more powerful than the halls but much lighter, and didn't have the danger to shunters of the outside frames with the rods sticking out miles from the wheels. We need more outside framed locos in 00. Like the Aberdare class 2-6-0, or the duke and bulldog 4-4-0s.
Actually I just felt confused the first time I watched your Halloween video. It was 'An Unhappy Halloween' in 2017, my phone screen was so dark I don't even know what's happening, then happy music started playing. 🤣
I guessed late 30 ties early 40 ties. Nice loco and i like the green livery. To bad that Bachmann has squared bearings. Keep the rewiew videos coming. 👍👍👍👍👍👍🇸🇪
Did you know that the double frame was steel one the outsides and oak sandwiched in-between. The oak became harder as it became older, so the frames were very strong so didn't wear out. Originally it meant that the locomotive could run with wheels on the outside for broad gauge and on the inside for standard gauge because the original engines were built at the time during the changeover of broad to standard gauge. The engines did not need to be scrapped but just converted. There are some extreme weight restricted lines on the Cambrian including the Barmouth structure. About the largest engines allowed were the GW Manor and class 4 BR standard 4-6-0. The name Earl was also tongue in cheek. A member of the GW board wanted to have an engine named after him. Charles Collett decided to call the Dukedogs Earls and gave them names, which annoyed the particular Earl who had expected something like a Castle rather than something resurrected from the 19th Century. I think the Dukedogs were replaced on the Cambrian by Ivatt class 2 2-6-0s.
Interesting Review as always. Bachmann again falling down on it's Mechanical set up..! Sam maybe confident tinkering with Motor swap ect. But I not..! So makes me nervous spending on Bachmann. But the Outer detail is great. But it has to run for that Dosh. Gr8 review Sam. Cheers all.😎
I've always fancied getting one of these but the green GWR version has only been available DCC sound fitted for quite a while now and that is just too expensive.
The mechanism part of your videos is always my favorite! Now a days I most of the time refuse to buy locos without 5 pole motors and metal bearings. Didn’t you review the earl class a couple years ago?
Thanks a lot Dwayne - yes it's something lots of reviewers overlook... to me it's super important! Yes I did - but I decided it deserved a better quality review! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
As usual with Bachmann, looks superb but the drivetrain is a notch behind the aspect... There is not a lot to do to have a splendid model, just add a decent five poles with a flywheel, do a better engine to tender connexion, and change the tender pickups for a classical type ones. As is, it runs correctly. Some improvement required, but the basics are here : not a extremely contrived mechanism à la DJM, proper bearings and tender pickups. An upgrade will be welcome.
If you ever have to replace motors, those cheap ebay motors are pretty good, I think there 5 poles, SMT mainline has a couple videos on the ebay motors
Now that is a great looking engine. I would not mind owning one . Your review does it justice . The price is a little high and because of the rate of the pound verse the dollar it would be even higher. Keep those reviews coming.
Just thought, as these are Earl Class and you have the original GWR livery, they should have come with their Earl name over the drive wheel splashers. Was their such items in the parts bag ?
Hi Sam, When you say there are only 3 GWR 4-4-0's, I assume you mean in model form, although a 4th is mentioned further down. The 4-4-0 configuration was used quite often by William Dean and others
Very fair review for the price I must say. Not sure if we agree, but the conventional pancake motor construction style Hornby / Märklin / Fleischmann are far more sophisticated and profusely top notch precisely put together. Maintaining them almost requires watch making skill though in the case of Märklin but the oldest from 1949 can still be found running (the vintage ones not crawling competent of course). But... then you pay the solid price for those types of locos (easily up to 400 Euro). However, it must be said that this motor from Bachmann - even at this price - is a really far out of date. In all, the entire package though is fair for the price. We've made our mind up though... really going for 3-rail H0, the reason being that 2-rail pickup is just way too flimsy and does require constant maintainance, and does rely too much on wiring as well. 3-Rail hardly needs rail cleaning (maybe once a year?) as long the little machines run at least weekly. The diecast chassis are heavy (up to ~900 grams), serves as ground, vintage metal couplings and modern embedded magnetic couple connectivity pass ground through, so trains hardly ever stall. Downside might be less realism, but K-Track these days is close enough.
Hi sam. A lovely model i am surprised bachmann fitted wheel bearings not a common occurance. Nice body work. Long time since i saw a really good heavy base plate. Price wise another surprise from bachmann standards.but as always there is something that lets it down. Motor is a big let down and those high voltage cables look as if they should be fitted on a pylon and not for pulling any number of coaches.
Can someone please explain to me how the drive rod assembly of this thing works? The extra playing around the driving wheels and the way the outer rods are attached seem redundant to me (think of how Edward’s rods look). I’m just trying to figure out what purpose that kind of assembly served.
Hi great review as usual. When are you going to do a review of the new Hornby dublo merchant navy elder fyeffes, would be cool to see you do a review of it especially as I’m thinking about getting one and need to know it’s any good or not. Anyway keep up the good work with the reviews.
ahh the city class dose look nice sam i would like one at the moment im trying to save up to finnish my layout which is going very slowly lol thx ben :)
@@mattsmocs3281 If you are looking at the recent ones, weathered BR Black and GWR DCC sound fitted, then I would highly recommend buying from Kernow Model Rail Centre as they have the lowest price that I could find £135.99 (roughly $186 USD) for the weathered black and £220.95 (roughly $303 USD) for the DCC sound fitted green one . Plus you don't have to pay VAT which means you get the model slightly cheaper than those buying in the UK (Not always the case with other retailers but that's just a little known secret that I have discovered over time). Alternatively you pick up one of the previous releases second hand via Ebay or Hattons preowned section, which I recommend checking every week day. Apologies for the long essay but I hope this helps somewhat :)
The Earl class is the literal embodiment of "we do a little trolling"
haha very much so! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It was pretty much Collett's plan as a swipe at the pomposity of aristocracy by naming an antiquated looking locomotive after Earls, there were howls of protest from a number of them and any use of Earl's names on future build locomotives were on the latter build Castle class.
I saw Train of Thought's video on the Dukedogs and the story behind them is hilarious.
Same
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Dito
haha yeah about how they got their name and such? I need to see this video, heard all about it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The dukes of dogs
as a physics major, it might be that the Earl's wheel have worse kinetic friction, but better static friction. This means that, once it starts wheel slipping, as in your power test, it will perform poorly, but untill the wheels start to slip it grips fairly well.
Ahh fascinating - makes a lot of sense - thanks a lot for sharing! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yeah, checking wheel slip is actually one of the big things that you need to be a great engine driver, because it reduces the tractive effort so much. Some quick googling of coefficients of friction indicates that the loss of traction for steel on steel in dry conditions between the wheels gripping and the wheels slipping is between 15%-40% traction loss, based on different peoples' calculations, and the variance is even higher when different metals and alloys are takin into account. Trains are sometimes completely unable to start at full power, because the bearings on all the wagons have the higher static friction, and the wheels slip, and have the lower kinetic friction, but a skilled engineer can still get the train moving by easing the regulator to maintain traction, and picking up the cars one at a time to go from static to kinetic friction in the bearings, because once the wheels start to turn, it takes less force to keep them turning than it did to get them started. This is how something like Edward's Exploit in the railway series works from a physics angle. Without his connecting rods, Edward has just as much power as before, but about half the tractive effort, so they had to use these sorts of tricks to overcome the kinetic friction and get the train moving, rather than just opening the regulator and going. This is why I've never really understood why you like seeing wheel slip in models, to me avoiding wheel slip is more interesting, and is more realistic because real engine drivers would try hard to avoid it. It is better than burning out the motor with traction tires, though, I agree that that's just cheating, and that there would be wheel slip if you just set the power up to full.
Sorry for the wall of text, I just love talking about this sort of thing, but it's only worth a short comment if I don't know if someone cares.
@@bow-tiedengineer4453 Very interesting read!
@@bow-tiedengineer4453 Interesting however is that if wheels are allowed to slip by something like 5% of the speed, the coefficient of friction between a steel rail and steel wheel is slightly higher than the static case, so you get very slightly higher applied tractive effort. Of course on a steam locomotive, whilst this is potentially possible for a very experienced driver to achieve, there is great danger of the slip becoming uncontrolled. But with modern electrical control gear and comparing the wheels' rotational speed (measured with a conventional speedometer) and the actual locomotive speed (measured with a doppler radar) you can actually achieve that condition, and it is used in some of the freight locomotives operating in the UK.
On a steam locomotive however, a prolonged uncontrolled slip can result in destructive testing of the motion rods... so is avoided at all costs. On a model I agree prolonged slipping is generally best avoided.
I remember you reviewed this locomotive a couple of years ago. I like the old fashioned look for this 4-4-0 locomotive, I didn’t expect this locomotive to be built in the 1930s, it almost looks like something that’s made in the 1890s or 1900s. I guess those people really like old fashioned 4-4-0s to bring some nostalgia back.
Yeah I did - decided I needed to do a better quality review! It sure does look old fashioned to say it's a 30s design!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Haven’t watched a Sams Trains video in ages, glad to be back. Great showcase of one of my favourite GWR locomotives. Excellent video Sam : )
Glad to see you again Lewis - it sure is a lovely loco this time! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Julytheduck Agreed, thats a great Tank engine
My favorite is the 94XX
The reson for the same amount of the same result on a newtonmeter can be that the meter has been de-gauged as pulling the string stretches it over time, hope it explains a bit :)
In my opinion, the “Dukedogs” are certainly very interesting locomotives. I mean, a Duke class being fitted to Bulldog frames, how incredible. Also, the first one of these engines was built in 1956.
Hello
Not 1956 but 1936. Edit is your friend.
Me too - a very fascinating design indeed! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I tend to throw myself out the nearest window whenever the mention of Bachmann comes up. Too many of my mates and I have been burned. Watched Sam's review incredulously, but he gave it high marks and explained why. I did what I swore never to do again and bought one, international shipping fees and all. It performed just like Sam said it would, and it is wonderful in all regards. Couldn't be happier. I only buy once I have seen what Sam has to say. The man is a straight shooter and gives an exceptionally fair and balanced analysis. Sam is a rare gem, and he who fails to heed his advice is on thin ice. But hey, it's your hard earned money, spend it as you please. But keep the receipt.
I don’t know what it is about this class but I love the way the rods move the wheels. It just looks so cool
Yeah it does look cool - the coupling rods are extended outside the frames, which is quite unique!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam great video: Main allocation was the Cambrian main line, it had locomotive weight restrictions (only a little over 40 tons!). In the middle of the system was the lengthy & light Barmouth wooden bridge. The weight restriction meant that these and the GWR 2251 class & the LMS Ivatt Class 2 2-6-0 were one of the few classes of locomotive that were light enough, they lasted into the 1950s due to this.
Hey Leroy, yes absolutely right - very interesting how they came about!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Bachmann:lets see if sam is impressed
sam:wow this bachmann loco actually has a little bit of quality.
It actually does! And it goes such a long way too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hopefully bachmann keep up some of the recent good work they’ve been doing on this model
I hope so too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I use your videos as a reference before I buy anything now saved me from buying some square axled howlers !
Hi Sam
Based on your review I took the risk and bought one. I had it from the retailer that the sound fitted version would work on my DC layout and give me sound - I just would not be able to control this.
It works superbly.
At about 70 on my dual Gaugemaster it gives the hissing sound of a loco at the station, a bit more and then it gives a squeal and at 80 it is away making puffing sounds. They seem a bit faster if I increase it further.
The speed varies only in the 80 - 100 range and at the top is not express pace - which is fine.
The Dapol chip does the same (it says in the instructions) and Rapido say their Wisebach J70 will do the same
I suggest you try buying one and review it. Perhaps one of the recent awful crawlers.
Love your reviews. You have really grown their comprehensive coverage of the locos and rolling stock, have consistent values to all manufacturers and really help us to know whether we should venture out with air hard earned money.
All the best
Martin
Although this reviews two years old, it is still nice to see, it's one I didn't have in the collection yet, but just bought a second hand one, even with DCC sound on board.
This review was very helpful, and in general Bachmann is always that bit extra, in comparison with evierige of other brands.
To be honest, most of my favorite models are mostly made by Bachmann.
again thanks for the review…
Great review sam, such a lovely little loco worthy of a 5 pole motor swap 👍
Thanks a lot Ciaran - that's certainly true - I need to develop a way of fitting a 5 pole, now I can make new fittings with the 3D printer!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
i love the dukedogs and i also love how when collett named them it was a joke towards the railway directors at the time who wanted locos named after them and as for the model along with the city class easily my fav pairing of locos from the gwr
haha exactly - so awesome to know that Collett had a sense of humour!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I brought mine (BR black) 3,5 years ago, new, for 89.50 GBP. I usually run it with 3 Corridor Coach (BR Crimson/Cream), and i had no problem with it in the first 2 years, but I haven't opened its box since 2020 Jun.
BTW the tank-like detail part goes under the tender!
I think the weight is better distributed than on the D class. That’ll be due to those heavy die cast outside frames - which are thicker and therefore heavier around the driving wheels than on the bogie end. So the majority of the weight is on the driving wheels which is what you want. Great little engine and great review. A five pole motor replacement would do wonders.
These are my dad's favourites I'll be sure to show him this video
Awesome! Hope he enjoys it too... thanks a lot! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
God I love steam locos with half-hidden wheels, and the side-rods being in full view. There's just something special about that type of design
Yeah me too - why does it look so darn gorgeous like that?!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Another review of a fine GWR locomotive. I have two, a BR black and a GWR green with sound. They are great locos!
The long thin parts are the stay bars that go between the axleboxes of the driving wheels, Bachmann have designed it so you can clip it in place so you have ease of access to the the mechansim and driving wheels
I was just thinking to my self "Wow, there are no videos about the earl class" and then BOOM I wake up to this
Your videos never fail to make me smile Sam!
Sam, a task for you is to 3D print motor mounting adaptors that easily allow a better spec motor to be accurately mounted as a motor replacement.
Exactly John - something I definitely want to look into! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What a good-looking loco! I think I prefer the City class but that's just because of the tapered boilers. Great video!
I’m love the British 4-4-0s really because of there older look but also how fast they could go
static and dynamic measurements normally differ small real world thing and yes bends and gradients is among them. im A SUCKER FOR 440'S, ONE BUILT WHEN ELEGANCE WAS A SERVICE REQUIREMENT AND THE CITY PATTERN CONNECTING RODS ARE THE CHERRY ON THE TOP
I suggest the reason why it has a better traction effort than the dapol is most likely due to the way that the mechanism is designed unless they have the same mechanism in which case it is a total mystery
The Earl class is after the pannier tanks one of the best GWR locos! Good video Sam.
Yeah it sure takes some beating! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I picked up one 2nd hand today, 9003 in GWR green and DCC fitted, for £100. However, it lacks the tender coal load, and it seems to have had its front bogie screw and spring removed, replaced with a long thin screw.
I look forward to running it, but I am aware I may need to seek a new screw and spring.
god every single time i hear the term "duke dogs" for this engine i just cant help but think of the Thomas the tank engine episode "bulldog that has *duke* and is named a *bulldog* I SMELL SOME INSPIRATION
Nah that's just a coincidence
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@@YourAverageRailwayFan but the Duke Class was mentioned in Thomas once,specifically in the Railways Series book "Very Old Engines
I love this model! Love the drive rods in that style!
Another great review, as always. For the date these lovely engines were built, I guessed around the 1910s, but the 1930s really surprised me.
Also, for once, I think I spotted the odd one out, my guess is the 2-6-0 on the turntable. (Don't know the class) I noticed basically all the others were 4-4-0s but not that one.
Hello Sam, i love your video's. They are always interesting and informative . Well done. Keep up the good work.
I do like the driving rods on the outside of the frames… very nice
Like the Victorian Railways 1860s first B class 2-4-0 and O class 0-6-0 as in the Vline Power Parade video on UA-cam.
Puffing Billy Na class as well.
Great review as always! Keep up the good work! 👍😁
Enjoyed the 📹 video thanks. This one's on my wish list. Cheers 🥂 Paul. Just got one in BR black early crest. Just trying it out.
I just got one of these in N Gauge, thought it looked quite familiar from the thumbnail!
Tis a Union Mills model, full cast metal, 137g, able to pull your teeth out if given the chance and only £85, only bad side is the detail is basic but still looks the great.
I had a couple of Union Mills locos when I was doing N, and I've seen reviews of others (in the N Gauge Society newsletter) Incredibly powerful kit for the size. (One review I read was loco pulling over 40 wagons. The reviewer couldn't get it to pull any more because he'd run out track!) Sam might like to review N locos generally and Union Mills ones in particular, but is there space in his loft??
@@SeatedViper I've got the odd couple of UM models now, and have used the powered bogies for some kit builds, really good runners.
Think he should (if he wants to anyway) go with just a mini layout that could sit in the middle of the room, perhaps something which can be put into a cupboard when not in use.
love the water gauges, they are my "sprung buffers, but where are the heads of the inside cylinders. they were visible to allow access for servicing
These days, you can get model etched numbers. Great little locomotive with good detailing.
Just received one of these last week, DCC Sound Fitted. Had to send the thing back, all the sounds were present, but the loco wouldn't budge. Tried all the regular tricks (changing cv's, loco address etc) bit nothing helped. 😑
Hoping TMC can source me another one as it's a gorgeous thing.
Fantastic video mate as always. Hope your doing well
I have seen the actual remaining Duke Dog at the STEAM museum in Swindon. Very interesting loco.
9017 lives at the Bluebell Railway.
A very very decent model, I'll definitely get one if I can find one for a good price, hopefully I won't experience any motor problems.
Excellent review as always Sam :D
Great review Sam!
The dukedog's are quite fascinating, the history certainly is something to laugh at, the mechanism on this model is too... anyway great review! -TheImperialDiamondSpinosaurus
I thought the proper name for it is the Dukedog class, as the prototype was built using the frames of a 'Bulldog' and the boiler of a 'Duke' class.
Would you be interested in reviewing some modern American diesel locomotives and/or cars (wagons)? I have a couple of GE dash 9s and EMD GP-38-2s and quite the assortment of freight cars as well. If you'd like more information in regard to specific models and can provide that as well. Have a great day :)
my 3200 can't even pull 2 coaches without stalling or destroying the track and there's my G2A hauling 18 open wagons filled with dowels up the steepest gradient on my layout (in scale about 1 in 62) without braking a sweat or having a banker
I don't blame you that Halloween video was very good. You know I was so dumb back then, I used to think your April Fools tender review was serious. :)
It looks an awesome little loco, and mechanically should be the same as the 3400 City class (mine runs perfectly on DCC). A shame this one has an issue though. I need to get one for myself.
Of course, these were superseded by the Manors on the Cambrian Coast line, which were more powerful than the halls but much lighter, and didn't have the danger to shunters of the outside frames with the rods sticking out miles from the wheels.
We need more outside framed locos in 00. Like the Aberdare class 2-6-0, or the duke and bulldog 4-4-0s.
Actually I just felt confused the first time I watched your Halloween video. It was 'An Unhappy Halloween' in 2017, my phone screen was so dark I don't even know what's happening, then happy music started playing. 🤣
Ahh yes - that one was a strange one!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam sense you like 0-4-0 then you might like to at least take a gander a the T1 Wich is a 4-4-4-4 built in 1942 . Love the video 😊
I guessed late 30 ties early 40 ties.
Nice loco and i like the green livery.
To bad that Bachmann has squared bearings.
Keep the rewiew videos coming.
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Love the duke dogs
Did you know that the double frame was steel one the outsides and oak sandwiched in-between. The oak became harder as it became older, so the frames were very strong so didn't wear out. Originally it meant that the locomotive could run with wheels on the outside for broad gauge and on the inside for standard gauge because the original engines were built at the time during the changeover of broad to standard gauge. The engines did not need to be scrapped but just converted. There are some extreme weight restricted lines on the Cambrian including the Barmouth structure. About the largest engines allowed were the GW Manor and class 4 BR standard 4-6-0. The name Earl was also tongue in cheek. A member of the GW board wanted to have an engine named after him. Charles Collett decided to call the Dukedogs Earls and gave them names, which annoyed the particular Earl who had expected something like a Castle rather than something resurrected from the 19th Century. I think the Dukedogs were replaced on the Cambrian by Ivatt class 2 2-6-0s.
These frames do not have any oak in them, and being built in the 1890s certainly were not designed for a broad gauge option.
@@bluebellsalmon I was working on the Midland double frame and assumed that GW used the same.
@@donsharpe5786 Fair enough! At it's last overhaul we renewed about 2/3 of the frames of 3217.
I love the gwr, but the older designs have such an aesthetic
maybe test the tractive effort on gordon's hill and that might give insight
Interesting Review as always. Bachmann again falling down on it's Mechanical set up..!
Sam maybe confident tinkering with Motor swap ect. But I not..!
So makes me nervous spending on Bachmann.
But the Outer detail is great. But it has to run for that Dosh.
Gr8 review Sam. Cheers all.😎
I've always fancied getting one of these but the green GWR version has only been available DCC sound fitted for quite a while now and that is just too expensive.
Yes you're right - not great value these days sadly :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I may get this for my layout looks like something that may of run in Ireland back in the 1950s and 1940s which I'm modeling
The mechanism part of your videos is always my favorite! Now a days I most of the time refuse to buy locos without 5 pole motors and metal bearings. Didn’t you review the earl class a couple years ago?
Thanks a lot Dwayne - yes it's something lots of reviewers overlook... to me it's super important! Yes I did - but I decided it deserved a better quality review!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A beautiful locomotive!! The price for that one is also rather gorgeous!!
As usual with Bachmann, looks superb but the drivetrain is a notch behind the aspect... There is not a lot to do to have a splendid model, just add a decent five poles with a flywheel, do a better engine to tender connexion, and change the tender pickups for a classical type ones. As is, it runs correctly. Some improvement required, but the basics are here : not a extremely contrived mechanism à la DJM, proper bearings and tender pickups. An upgrade will be welcome.
If you ever have to replace motors, those cheap ebay motors are pretty good, I think there 5 poles, SMT mainline has a couple videos on the ebay motors
Ok at this point I don’t know I just built a paper model of this train with cab detail yesterday
This the second time the first was the pannier
Now that is a great looking engine. I would not mind owning one . Your review does it justice . The price is a little high and because of the rate of the pound verse the dollar it would be even higher. Keep those reviews coming.
@22:36 Yay! City of Truro
Hi sam I hope you're ok
My n gauge track turned up and im planning my layout
Lovely video Sam.
Just thought, as these are Earl Class and you have the original GWR livery, they should have come with their Earl name over the drive wheel splashers. Was their such items in the parts bag ?
Hi Sam, When you say there are only 3 GWR 4-4-0's, I assume you mean in model form, although a 4th is mentioned further down. The 4-4-0 configuration was used quite often by William Dean and others
very pretty locomotive
Very fair review for the price I must say. Not sure if we agree, but the conventional pancake motor construction style Hornby / Märklin / Fleischmann are far more sophisticated and profusely top notch precisely put together. Maintaining them almost requires watch making skill though in the case of Märklin but the oldest from 1949 can still be found running (the vintage ones not crawling competent of course). But... then you pay the solid price for those types of locos (easily up to 400 Euro). However, it must be said that this motor from Bachmann - even at this price - is a really far out of date. In all, the entire package though is fair for the price.
We've made our mind up though... really going for 3-rail H0, the reason being that 2-rail pickup is just way too flimsy and does require constant maintainance, and does rely too much on wiring as well. 3-Rail hardly needs rail cleaning (maybe once a year?) as long the little machines run at least weekly. The diecast chassis are heavy (up to ~900 grams), serves as ground, vintage metal couplings and modern embedded magnetic couple connectivity pass ground through, so trains hardly ever stall. Downside might be less realism, but K-Track these days is close enough.
Hi sam. A lovely model i am surprised bachmann fitted wheel bearings not a common occurance. Nice body work. Long time since i saw a really good heavy base plate. Price wise another surprise from bachmann standards.but as always there is something that lets it down. Motor is a big let down and those high voltage cables look as if they should be fitted on a pylon and not for pulling any number of coaches.
I love shirt button! Loving this loco. I want one.
Can someone please explain to me how the drive rod assembly of this thing works? The extra playing around the driving wheels and the way the outer rods are attached seem redundant to me (think of how Edward’s rods look). I’m just trying to figure out what purpose that kind of assembly served.
I what you mean , those little engines are starting to grow on me to. How many of the 4-4-0 's- do you have?
I am now convinced that the Hornby Class 66 review and the Dartmouth Steam Railway video is never coming. :(
They are coming! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You should measure the D class and earl class where the D class is slipping and see if it changes
Awesome video today Sam beautiful locomotive
Hi great review as usual. When are you going to do a review of the new Hornby dublo merchant navy elder fyeffes, would be cool to see you do a review of it especially as I’m thinking about getting one and need to know it’s any good or not. Anyway keep up the good work with the reviews.
ahh the city class dose look nice sam
i would like one at the moment im trying to save up to finnish my layout which is going very slowly lol
thx ben :)
I think there used to be some Mainline GWR "Atbara" Class 4-4-0's.
Hi Sam. Nice review like it alot , (price bit to much for me there day's) All the Best Brian 🤗
Nice to see this engine again. This needs to be a Thomas character, unless City of Truro already fits the bill.
I agree Tomas - and it'd sure make a great character! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Totally agree. Would you like to see a Class 37, 60 and 66 be turned into Thomas Characters?
Awesome video!
Yea I suppose it is quite spooky lol, I usually watch your Halloween specials on that day.
Ahh fantastic - what a birthday treat for you! ;)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
City of Truro upstages again. Love to see it in shirt button livery
The odd one out is the Ivatt Class 4 2-6-0.
the earl class is my second favorite!
New sams trains review let’s gooo
haha hope you enjoy it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam maybe you should look into reviewing the Hornby Acela train set.
Maybe! That would be fun! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey sam still here and absolutely love the content still a have a question one what lubricant do you use
My favorite loco i only found about about 2 weeks ago! I need it… until i found out to get one in the US is nearly 400 dollars… :(
Where are you looking exactly? It should not cost that much, going by my experiences with having things shipped from one side of the pond to the other
@@18EStudios for the green thats my cheapest option. I can get it for 200 if i get BR black.
@@mattsmocs3281 If you are looking at the recent ones, weathered BR Black and GWR DCC sound fitted, then I would highly recommend buying from Kernow Model Rail Centre as they have the lowest price that I could find £135.99 (roughly $186 USD) for the weathered black and £220.95 (roughly $303 USD) for the DCC sound fitted green one . Plus you don't have to pay VAT which means you get the model slightly cheaper than those buying in the UK (Not always the case with other retailers but that's just a little known secret that I have discovered over time). Alternatively you pick up one of the previous releases second hand via Ebay or Hattons preowned section, which I recommend checking every week day. Apologies for the long essay but I hope this helps somewhat :)
The dukedogs live on!
Great video Sam! I've never seen this loco, it looks cool but slightly odd
Thanks Liam - I agree - I guess that's why I like it so much! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Do you know anywhere I could get a GWR Green Eral because I can only find a DCC ready one in BR black