You are 3 of the finest Americans I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. Thank you for this! I spent a very less exciting 8 years from 85-93 on submarines. Thanks gents!!
First, thanks for finally admitting what really happened that day. The problem is the Navy didn't bother to tell anyone for 6 months. They finally owned up at the annual Air Tactics Conference at Nellis. An Intel Officer I worked with later was at the Nellis ATC and talked to two reps from ONI who finally told the truth about what happened over drinks at the on base sports bar. The "other event" briefly mentioned was Langley Eagles shooting 4 missiles at a Mig-25 high fast flyer headed south and hitting nothing out West. Why is another story.
I golfed at nas pensicola with a retired navy pilot around 15 years ago who told me he attempted to fire a phoenix at a hostile target in a no fly zone. I wish i could remember his name. He said it just fell off the rack due to a mistake make by the ordies. What i do remember was when he found out i was Air Force, the banter was thick.
Jumby is right regarding the 1994 westpac deployment of USS Carl Vinson. It has the latest model of airplanes and was the most powerful air wing at the time. It was also featured in discovery channel’s carrier fortress at sea documentary.
Whenever I'd play Fleet Defender or US Navy Fighters, i always loved loading up on the AIM-54 Phoenix. The weight was a pain, but quickly disappeared as a concern. The only major downside for me was waiting to determine if it actually hit or not.
To me Desert Fox was annoying, because we (us on the Vinson) were just floating around in the I.O. for the start of it. When we were ultimately allowed to participate, we had 1 night with 2 events. After we launched the first event I went back to my shop ( the AE shop), to see CNN on the TV saying “We just watched the last strike for Desert Fox launch out.” We all thought they were stupid, until a minute later and our bitch box squawked, saying the second event was canceled. On a different note, VF-32 did a 6 on 6, shortly before we got rid (me having to wipe a way a tear) of our Tomcats. It was against TALDs and drones. They had to tweak the jet and select the best of the missiles at Oceana.
Man, I don't know that I would have taken that kind of experience calmly. Everyone makes mistakes, but this was combat, where your life may depend on things the way they are supposed to and everyone doing their job. It would be cool to hear from an Iranian Tomcat pilot or RIO with a Phoenix kill (or two). Not sure if that is even possible.
@@FighterPilotPodcast haha ok! Although I think you’ve risked & sacrificed enough for this great country already, which is much appreciated! Something tells me you wouldn’t wanna be Crunch’s RIO, so how does flying cover in an airframe of your choice sound? 😏😂
Can I get a whoop whoop, we got a Tomcast, retread(no not a RIO becometh a Pilot but a rebroadcast of a TomCast). I guess I got an hour to burn. Thanks a lot "JELLO".
My takeaway from this story is that the Iraqi air force was terrified of the Tomcat, and that alone was a useful fact. As soon as they detected the F-14's radar they recalled their planes. And always look at the bright side: you scored a "mission kill" without having to actually kill that Iraqi wing commander MiG-25 pilot. Maybe that guy can be tracked down and interviewed someday.
The Iraqi's were trying to bait the Tomcats with the Mig-23s into the Mig-25, so there's no mission kill here. Maybe a maneuver kill if you count the Mig-23 that crashed. Unfortunately, this was purely an own-team error to not have the Phoenix missiles ready to go and take down the -25.
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You are 3 of the finest Americans I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. Thank you for this! I spent a very less exciting 8 years from 85-93 on submarines. Thanks gents!!
First, thanks for finally admitting what really happened that day. The problem is the Navy didn't bother to tell anyone for 6 months. They finally owned up at the annual Air Tactics Conference at Nellis. An Intel Officer I worked with later was at the Nellis ATC and talked to two reps from ONI who finally told the truth about what happened over drinks at the on base sports bar. The "other event" briefly mentioned was Langley Eagles shooting 4 missiles at a Mig-25 high fast flyer headed south and hitting nothing out West. Why is another story.
Lot of very pleasant folks sharing very unique experiences for the uninitiated. TYVM.
I golfed at nas pensicola with a retired navy pilot around 15 years ago who told me he attempted to fire a phoenix at a hostile target in a no fly zone. I wish i could remember his name. He said it just fell off the rack due to a mistake make by the ordies. What i do remember was when he found out i was Air Force, the banter was thick.
In 1994-1996 timeframe, VF-11 was aboard Carl Vinson with CVW-14 along with VF-31. After that, VF-11 went to the F-14B.
Vf-11 also went D
I missed Jumby at C2F by a few years. Good episode!
Jumby is right regarding the 1994 westpac deployment of USS Carl Vinson. It has the latest model of airplanes and was the most powerful air wing at the time. It was also featured in discovery channel’s carrier fortress at sea documentary.
I started cracking up when he reenacted that AO1’s reaction to him saying “we’re not coming back with this missile.” 😂
Great show even greater channel 👍
Whenever I'd play Fleet Defender or US Navy Fighters, i always loved loading up on the AIM-54 Phoenix. The weight was a pain, but quickly disappeared as a concern. The only major downside for me was waiting to determine if it actually hit or not.
To me Desert Fox was annoying, because we (us on the Vinson) were just floating around in the I.O. for the start of it. When we were ultimately allowed to participate, we had 1 night with 2 events.
After we launched the first event I went back to my shop ( the AE shop), to see CNN on the TV saying “We just watched the last strike for Desert Fox launch out.” We all thought they were stupid, until a minute later and our bitch box squawked, saying the second event was canceled.
On a different note, VF-32 did a 6 on 6, shortly before we got rid (me having to wipe a way a tear) of our Tomcats. It was against TALDs and drones. They had to tweak the jet and select the best of the missiles at Oceana.
Dessert Fox on the other hand was delicious. That your mistake. Going to Desert Fox instead.
What a story! It all came down to that one non-com red shirt. Wow. Real professionalism in not losing their cool.
What was the reputation of the Phoenix in testing (in comparison)?
Man, I don't know that I would have taken that kind of experience calmly. Everyone makes mistakes, but this was combat, where your life may depend on things the way they are supposed to and everyone doing their job.
It would be cool to hear from an Iranian Tomcat pilot or RIO with a Phoenix kill (or two). Not sure if that is even possible.
👽👽👽👽FPP always refreshing👽👽👽👽
11:30 - wait, if you crank from TWS you'll feed the missile bad data??
I did not know...!
ED...when??
does that block of flats have a 200k range?
Could the aim54 hit a maneuvering target or was it only slow lumbering bombers?
@@sonichuizcool7445 ask the Iranians.
54:45 tomcat never did centrifuge?? how is that? I would think all fighters pull G and do centrifuge/strain training?
Back in the day everyone did their own centrifuge training doing donuts in the parking lot 🤪😉
A great American, for sure 👍👍
Jell-O, you down for a mission with Crunch to the Middle East to jack a Tomcat from our “friends” in the desert? 🤔
Sure, sign me up.
@@FighterPilotPodcast haha ok! Although I think you’ve risked & sacrificed enough for this great country already, which is much appreciated! Something tells me you wouldn’t wanna be Crunch’s RIO, so how does flying cover in an airframe of your choice sound? 😏😂
What are your thoughts on the Navy now developing a long range A2A missile after cancelling its long range A2A missile. Apache guy here.
Which cancelled AAM you talking about? The Phoenix?
I have a radically different story about how the Enterprise "performed" during Desert Fox if the hosts are interested...
Can I get a whoop whoop, we got a Tomcast, retread(no not a RIO becometh a Pilot but a rebroadcast of a TomCast). I guess I got an hour to burn. Thanks a lot "JELLO".
My takeaway from this story is that the Iraqi air force was terrified of the Tomcat, and that alone was a useful fact. As soon as they detected the F-14's radar they recalled their planes. And always look at the bright side: you scored a "mission kill" without having to actually kill that Iraqi wing commander MiG-25 pilot. Maybe that guy can be tracked down and interviewed someday.
The Iraqi's were trying to bait the Tomcats with the Mig-23s into the Mig-25, so there's no mission kill here. Maybe a maneuver kill if you count the Mig-23 that crashed. Unfortunately, this was purely an own-team error to not have the Phoenix missiles ready to go and take down the -25.
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Mig 25 must have off set by 3 degrees and notched the aim 54
The attacking plane does the offset, not the defending one.
@@dannyd7714 yes
Crap! I'm an AO, we sent you out to risk your life FOR NOTHING! 😡
Nobody's perfect.