The F22 is also getting the helmet displat/targeting. Also, keep in mind the f35 is build for networking with other f35s, F22s and grund units. So another plateform can target an enemy and they can shoot it down and vice versa.
Yup the US fighters are meant to multiply their sending capability making them untouchable squadron in squadron and there will be more F stealth fighters than anyone else’s 5th gen. Do you know if the drone squadron thing went anywhere haven’t heard about that in a long while
The F-22s helmet HUD system is likely to be a cut down version of what's onboard F-35 - and F-35's system is already behind the European equivalents. F-22 is very (electrical) power limited and it's proving difficult to come up with a complete modernisation of the avionics suite inside the power-availability envelope - should they decide they have to start delving into the jet engines to uplift power generation - the project cost will undoubtedly spiral out of control and risk being cancelled or will under-deliver.
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Considering the raptor was design in the 80s and was to start production in the 90s, and is only now starting to have its sun set, shows what an engineering marvel this was.
Keep in mind that the F-35 was not designed as an air superiority fighter. It uses its super advanced systems to see everything then direct friendlies. It is designed to work alongside the F-22.
This is true, people look at the raw numbers of speed and agility and immediately think it's useless. They don't often take things into account like sensors and sensor fusion, stealth, and radar technology. The F-35 is a lethal fighter in a huge variety of combat missions, but most of its best capabilities are either classified or not things that translate well to the general public.
That's not what many F-35 customers think. It is the backbone of many air forces around the world, a multirole aircraft that is supposed to fill the air superiority role among others.
@@chefchaudard3580 It fills that role by directing air superiority fighters to the targets. The F-22s can have their radars off making them invisible to the RWR of the enemy planes.
Tbh none of this is particularly important. Air to air combat isn’t a duel. The supporting system is much more important than single plane performance.
It doesn't really matter that the F-22 is slowly being caught up to by other jets. By the time they do finally surpass the F-22, the US will probably already have Gen 6 jets.
Their rivals are already developing their own gen6 jets, such as Mitsubishi and BAE. I doubt jets would go past gen7 or gen8 given how strong loitering munitions are becoming.
NGAD is set to fly by 2025/26 and be in service by 2030. Allegedly testing of new tech has far exceeded expectations with Variable cycle engines, lasers, new missiles, full body radars and IRST trackers, unmanned modes and integrated drone control having several major breakthroughs. Calling this thing a "fighter jet may be inaccurate as it will apparently be somewhere between the F-22 and B-21 in terms of size.
The f35 is a foundation aircraft designed to do the large scale grunt work of all the Branches of the US military and also to help international partners.
Even how it stacks up in maneuverability, payload, range, and speed is incredible being a much smaller single engine aircraft. Very interested into seeing what sort of batshit designs we get out of NGAD with all the knowledge gained from making F35 F22 and 30 years of advancements
The most impressive part is probably the capabilities it has compared to it's weight, low weight generally translates to lower costs across the board and it really compares nicely to the F-16 in that department.
@@LondonSteveLee believe it or not, it's relatively cheap compared too other 5th gen fighters, such as the other 3 mentioned in the video That's why it can be mass produced in the thousands
The F22 was designed in the 80’s, but the thing is it’s highly upgradable. It’s currently the test bed for the sixth gen fighter. The USA upgraded it to the point where it’s a 5.5 gen.
Doesn't really matter when the thing was designed, if nobody has built a more advanced airplane since... The truth is that the progress of aerospace technology has slowed a bit since, say, the 1950s through 70s. The machines are just so complicated & expensive, it takes decades to develop and field new ones. And, another few decades to get the money's worth out of 'em..
Can't wait for it to have laser beams and space faring engines in 100 years lolololol. I'm genuinely convinced it would be repurposed rather than retired for a century at least.
@@gamingrex2930 A few years ago......there was some talk that the gigawatt-range laser technology developed for the huge YAL-1 airborne laser platform, a converted 747, might be adaptable into a much smaller package...one that might conceivably even fit into the space left for the lift fan in the F-35B. There's already a shaft from the engine there... The leap in technology apparently comes from moving toward a solid-state medium, a crystal essentially-not unlike exisiting ruby lasers, to produce the laser light. The YAL-1 laser needed a copper iodide gas to get the right wavelength, which took up essentially the whole fuselage of a 747.
@@specialman6004 I mean current events are proving this to be a correct statement. All those super fancy ERA that make their tanks completely immune to “all” ATGM are getting royally fisted by a missiles designed in the 80’s. Add javailins and Nlaws. Russia has now lost 160 tanks, 116 AFV’s and 197 IFV’s that are distorts and many more damaged.
The US has already started fitting helmet mounted heads up displays in the F-22 as well as upgrading its laser and infrared defense systems. They are also updating its targeting systems and radar absorbing coatings in the next couple of years not that those upgrades are necessary as it is one of the best stealth aircraft in the world and a targeting system effective out to 65 miles with missiles capable of taking targets at that range. The USAF counts it a failure on the pilots part if visual contact is made when not pre-planed.
AHHHHHHH ha ha ha ha ha those Russians just better not put that hunk of shit in the sky with F-22's or F-35's up there, shit even the F-15 will eat it for breakfast. . . .I am pretty confident F-15 will hold it's own
@@anthonysaponaro6318 You then will be very very surprised. The SU 57 is now the dominant air superiority platform in the entire world. The only advantage that the USA now hold is numerical superiority. That is not a good position to be in. That area is also rapidly changing as the SU 57 is now in full production.
i do actually really like how the Su-57 looks but i'm going to have to agree with you, although the f-35 does look better from direct side on angles to me edit: oh and the MiG-25 is pretty good looking too
The USA already has an operational 6th gen fighter according to Skunk works. Information on it is classified so little is known about it. F-22's recently seen with a reflective chrome looking reflective coating is likely just using the Raptor as a R&A platform for future 7th gen aircraft or current 6th gen aircraft. As far as comparing the Raptor with the Chinese J-20 and Su-57 those platforms have yet to fly with the jet engine's that are still painstakingly being resigned and retested and problems with both china and Russia's jet engine's has frustrated both to the point of using Flanker jet engine's which significantly lowers both aircrafts alleged performance which are based on what the aircraft could do with jet engine's that are conceptual on paper and don't work after assembled and doesn't look like they will be operational anytime soon.As far as maneuverability the F22 surpasses what the human body can handle. The computer keeps the pilot from performing maneuvers that would pull so many G's it would kill the pilot. Sadly unmanned drone's are the future of air superiority
I was out at Edwards AFB back in the day when they were testing both the YF-22 and the YF-23. I was actually working on the B-1 test program at that time but got to see both of these platforms as they were being tested. I believe if anything, US Military Specs are more likely to be under-reported as compared to actual operational combat capabilities. I think the Russians and the Chinese are likely to over-report their capabilities.
As of last summer, there was only 1 operational su-57. The other one crashed. Meanwhile the f-22 already stopped production 10 yrs ago. These comparisons are fun but not realistic
The US is already working on a 6th generation fighter. Russia and China will always be a step behind, they don't spend $ on research and development like the US does. Realistically Russia won't have a full fleet of Su-57 until 2028, 23 years after the F-22 was introduced.
The Raptor being number 1 is a great thing but it doesn't have to win wars by itself. The Raptor is luckily part of the same team as the F-35 and countless other amazing aircraft that no opponent can come close to messing with when combined.
Coming to helmet mounted display, there is a new helmet being developed and its now being tested on the F-22. It's a helmet that allows the F-22 to have the ability to use off boresite capability. It's a one for all helmet which will also be used on F-15s, F-16s and even bombers
"Coming to" it's 2022! - and that's the reason F-22 is obsolete without a full ground-up avionics refit - the obsolete systems onboard are next to impossible to work with today making upgrades nigh on impossible - the entire electronics suite has to be thrown away and started again. The F-35 overruns probably means that's already aging from a systems point of view.
We have to remember the F22 was designed during a time when the US thought the Soviet Union had a lot of heavy bombers. So the F22 was designed to shoot those and their escorts before they could see it. The world it was born in was different than what its designers thought was going to be.
Stealth isn't as big a factor in an interceptor...The ATF's real purpose seemed to be more offensive in nature. It was meant, and is still meant, to neutralize an enemy's air defences--in his own territory behind the lines--to allow friendly air forces to operate. Its main targets were always fighters and SAMs, and the design emphasis was always on low-observability, coupled with range and sustained speed & altitude..and also the advanced maneuvering power to still handle any known or projected fighter in ACM.. It's a logical extension of the concept behind the F-15, and even the publicity term used in the program, 'air dominance,' sounds like an extension of the F-15's 'air superiority'...
There’s a reason the f-22 doesn’t have alot of anti missile countermeasures. It’s stealth factor which lowers it’s signature so it’s undetectable until it’s weapons bay opens means it’s invisible. It’s also more maneuverable at high speeds because of vectored thrust. It’s in no danger of being shot down in air to air because that isn’t the role it plays. The US views dogfighting as an ineffective use of these planes. The Russians still use supermaneuverability which the US doesn’t need in a theoretical air to air combat scenarios because we don’t wish to waste an F-22 or an F-35 in a combat roll it might not win in.
The simple fact that Russia and China are both struggling in 2022 to compete with a plane that was designed in the late 80s, early 90s says a lot about American air power and ingenuity.
@@zackbryan3195 Why hide, though? Reports of Chinese and Russian advancement in hypersonic missiles and railguns got the US wasting money playing catchup. Isn't getting the US to spread itself thin chasing dead ends better for its opponents?
@@zackbryan3195 I kinda doubt the russians have anything up their sleeves. Russian military doctrine has always been to wildly overstate their capabilities, whereas in the west, the philosophy is to understate capabilities.
Funny enough, a lot of the F-22 capabilities are still unknown. It is one of the very few planes the US does not export. Also, during international training operations, the pilots of the F-22 dumb down their training and the plane's capabilities. So a lot of what is considered known intel on the F-22 may be misdirection.
@@ROTHSTEIN01 The F35 is supposed to be more multi role. Not comparable. The F22 is a faaaar better fighter jet, the F35 is an attack jet with the ability to defend itself.
@@ROTHSTEIN01 The F35 is supposed to be more multi role. Not comparable. The F22 is a faaaar better fighter jet, the F35 is an attack jet with the ability to defend itself.
What many people don’t realize is that todays F-22, is not yesterdays F-22, this flying freak show has the worlds most advanced avionics and radar on top of its stealth and maneuverability , it can not be beaten , even in close quarter dogfighting
You're right most people don't know that. But then so many pretend to be aeronautical engineers and physicists who knows more than the people who built the F22....
@@tjorven0110 Except they aren't allowed to fly it at its full capability, also whenever the F-22 has been in training exercises with other nations it always has external fuel tanks which lowers its maneuverability.
Maybe. But it can only be dominant if produced economically, in numbers. Otherwise you get a situation like Russia's: where they can't afford to actually build or field their high tech weapons. We don't want another F-22 or F-35 debacle.
@@w0mblemania the F-35’s price has literally dropped to around 90 million and is going to built by thousands more. It is not at all even remotely comparable to something like F-22 or Russian endeavors they cannot afford
F-35A, on a good day, with all the kinks ironed out, might be able to match F-22 in a dogfight. It's like comparing F-15 and F-16 back in the day though; both good planes, slightly different roles.
Why spend billions trying to dogfight? The sophistication should be in the weapons systems - not the plane. The US made a fundamental mistake trying to build the ultimate untouchable weapon platforms launching average out-dated weapons. The Europeans spread their research evenly and kept everything up-to-date ignoring stealth rightfully thinking that electronics will overcome it. F-22 could be detected passively beyond the range of its AMRAAM by Gripen, Rafale and (particularly) Typhoon, which would cue and fire a METEOR before F-22 knows it's there - and if F-22 was actively searching, the trio could cue and fire against her RADAR emissions - again beyond the range of F-22s weapons. BVR supremacy over a supposedly stealth fighter. All the US eggs went into one stealthy basket.
People are overlooking strategies, imo. F-22 is designed for sneak attack capabilities. SU-57 is designed to defend its own airspace. Theoretically, they would be deployed to counter a group of f-22s after they know their approximate locations (i.e. near Russian borders or territory)
@@vallttdysney7749 they don't have T-14s operational, they only have prototypes. Russia is not capable of mass producing, especially now with zero resources.
@@vallttdysney7749 T-72B3, BUK missile launcher systems, and Pantsir S1 are by no means an old equipment. T-14 Armata and Su-37s are both not in mass production and definitely will not participate in the conflict.
The weapons bay also has a HUGE gap between the doors. One door is like super off angle. Russia is the WORST at manufacturing. They have no economy, no infrastructure, no production capability. There's a reason that they haven't produced a single version of the SU-57 that meets the specs they claim of the aircraft. They built 12 prototypes, then 5 test/airshow models. The very first production aircraft crashed after it malfunctioned lmao. They've built 3 production models that are "allegedly" seeing combat. That's 21 aircraft in over 13 years, it first "flew" in 2010. The F-35 started production in 2006. You know how many have been built?... 935. Nine Hundred and Thirty Five!!! The F-22 was in production for 15 years, number built? 187. Russia sucks. They are nothing but a paper tiger and no one has anything to fear from the fallen giant. They've been slowly dying since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and have been trying to keep up the public façade making the world believe they were still the Cold War superpower they once were. Fooling everyone into fearing them when in reality they were crippled and losing more and more strength.
You know I keep reading all these claims from people who say pilots say this and pilots say that, but never any actual evidence. I can only say one thing from an actual interview with Raptor aviators, And they say its the most awesome plane ever built. And its ability to literally see and kill the enemy without them ever knowing there was even a threat is real legitimate. The F35 as many have stated was designed as a workhorse fighter not air superiority, which apparently our 6th gen fighter will be designed for since they are using it to replace the F18s. So when it comes out you can compare it to all the air superiority stuff Russia and China are coming out with.
@@glennmonson5214 Oh, I agree with you, the F22 is good. Very good. But as a fighter, the F35 is not. And if it's not a fighter, recon and bombing missions can be made as easily (if not better) with others planes for a fraction of the price.
@@jugel4533 Ya but youll noticed it was never meant to be an air superiority fighter, it was meant to be a workhorse and a general can do all platform. The Raptor was meant to be the air superiority fighter but when the costs came out so high and they realized new technologies were coming into play right away they canned making more because they new it was going to outdated before most would be built.
I will point out that the US air force has announced that a 6th generation prototype is already flying, so this comparison may not even matter as is. They said they are on track to introduce the NGAD to service by 2030.
@@moussakaii529 If we are going to look at the time they were designed, the F-22 was designed in the early 1980s. So what we have is a Russian prototype of a plane intended to take on an American fighter designed about 40 years ago. The first F-22s came rolling off the production line about 1997. And this Russian 4th generation fighter is STILL inferior! It has always been that way. Russian fighters never live up to the hype. You can get detailed numbers on air-to-air combat for all fighter planes used today. Here are won-loss records. See if you notice a trend: F-4 ............ 306 - 106 F-14 .......... 135 - 4 F-15 .......... 103 - 0 F-16 ............ 76 - 1 F-18 .............. 2 - 1 MiG-21 ....... 240 - 501 MiG-23 ......... 25 - 102 MiG-25 ........... 8 - 8 MiG-29 ........... 6 - 18 SU-27 ............. 6 - 0 By the way, 2 of those MiG-25 victories were against unarmed Cessna propeller-driven airplanes shot down by the Cuban air force.
I don't think there will be a fighter to challenge it maybe until the end of the decade. Despite it's age the F22 is just such a high bar that everyone has been playing catch up. It really is a majestic bird, even the F35 doesn't fly overhead with the same authority. I like the Su57 but it looks like too little too late.
@@gabrieleporru4443 One could use the phrase in that way, or one could use it the way I did - which is to refer to Russian crap being rolled out now. That's what makes it suck. .................. Glad I could clarify. Russian fighters are always overhyped and do not have the performance in combat to match the hype, like the air-to-air combat won-loss record of 135 - 4 for the F-14; the 103 - 0 record of the F-15 or the 76 - 1 record of the F-16. That's why air forces equipped with modern U.S. fighters bomb the shit out of targets on the surface belonging to nations foolish enough to buy Russian fighters. Russian fighters are good for one thing - - - ejection seat testing. They provide a LOT of data on how well their ejection seats work.
@@frankmerriwell8339 Yeah... They can protect taiwan. Even without US help there is absolutely no way china has the logistics nor tactics to invade taiwan due to its mountainous terrain and cities not to mention has very few landing areas
Very true. Keep in mind that was the point, though. It was a "money is no object" product, built for the doomsday scenario. After the cold war ended, nobody who could afford to fight America had a need... because they are all allies. Now China is trying to close the gap, and theyre getting closer and closer. ..... so the rumored 6th gen raptor replacement is on its way.
You gotta love the people who click on the video, don’t watch it, and go straight to the comments to spew some nonsense about their favorite plane or to hate on a plane while having no idea what they are talking about
I may have missed but I didn't see you show a tail slide by the F22. It is my favorite maneuver to watch. I lived near Langley Airforce Base in the late 00s and I could watch the F22s doing practice. Some days they would just do tail slides over and over. They go completely vertical, hover, and then let the tail move to the front, flip the nose so it is inverted, and then drop into a dive before pulling up and flying away. It is a beautiful and amazing thing to see.
The dogfight is dead. People shat on the f-22 before it was declassified, some claimed the su-27 was better if you would remember 2005 please. When f-35 is declassified in a couple of years all the critics will shut up. Because we know nothing about the f-35, the Russians su-57 is irrelevant purely because the advertisement of it as a dogfight proves they don’t know what they’re meant to be preparing to fight and are almost certainly going to be walloped.
If we're talking air superiority, that's 100% going to the F-22. Nothing even comes close. If we're talking sexy aircraft looks, that's got to go to the SU-57. Looks like it should be flying in space battles. Same could be said for the YF-23
@@r-3675 У нашего есть еще и беспилотник, который может действовать как сообща так и в одиночку. Так что СУ57 выигрывает как по цене так и по оснащению. И ваши Ф только и бьются и ломаются. Ours also has a drone that can act both together and alone. So the SU57 wins both in price and equipment. And your F's are just beating and breaking.
Yeah, it is immensely speculative and imo, pointless beyond entertainment. We know next to nothing and bases everyone on guesses or words of the manufacturer.
I feel like it’s very out of place to compare these aircraft to each other considering like you said, they are all extremely recent (minus the raptor, obviously) and their true capabilities and limitations are behind levels of security clearance.
remember comapaing the f22 to these other planes, it is 30 years old... imagine what they have in development. It took the other countries 30 years to even attempt stealth, we knocked that out in the early 80s,
The F22 may be 1970s or 80s technology. The fact that it is still a world beater speaks to the expense and time it takes to develop fighter aircraft in the modern age. I'll also add that the US is currently testing a next generation fighter just as the opposition is bringing their F22 competitors online.
It's an 80s concept, not 80s technology, the technology was developed during the 90s based on an 80s projection. However that really isn't weird for modern day fighters, it takes a long time and a lot of money to develop a modern fighter so they will invariably be based on concepts from decades past and since then we might have learned more or developed technology that enables us to come up with a better technology. The engineers in the 80s were looking at what they could expect to develop within the next decade but of course as that technology was developed new avenues opened up which were then subsequently used in the F-35 program.
I quite liked the video. One very important aspect that was not discussed is pilot training and experience. I am quite confident US pilots get better training and more time in the air than their Russian or Chinese counterparts. You also mentioned that F-22 does not have an long range missile. Wikipedia disagrees. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-260_JATM The AIM-260 may also be operational in 2022.
How do you know how much training China and Russian pilots get? How would you know that? You are assuming something you don't know, then broadcasting it like you do know...
@@Moskal91 Unfortunately, I hear they don't have the money for flying time. The Chinese actually spend an few more hours in the air than the Americans do.
@@Chrisxx-tv3xu Ultimately if you want the best air superiority fighter, it's got to be designed just as that. No more, no less. Multi-role aircraft do have their uses but ultimately the thing that does its own job best, whether that's air superiority, close air support, bombing, etc., is the thing designed for it. The USAF has gone for a completely multi-role philosophy with its fighter fleet. It's sunk so much into it that it's too late to turn back now. Yet ultimately a fighter's most important role is to dominate the skies. If you're only going to have one type of fighter it should do that the best that can be done because if you lose the skies nothing else your planes can do will matter. Let the fighters secure the skies and then bring other planes to do the CAS with big fuel tanks and large bomb, missile, and gun armaments. I'd love to see a sort of "flying fortress" CAS aircraft that's big and armed to the teeth just meant to stay over a battlefield and give anything unfriendly on the ground a world of hurt.
@@cattraknoff I think the multi role thing is being pushed due to stealth. Easier to hide and sneak behind the enemy instead of a dogfight, but idk air superiority is very important for any military
I wonder how much the SU-57 stealth is compromised by the amount of rivoting used that is present on much of the plane. Its a damn georgeous plane though.
@@asala2116 yes it is, slightly smaller radar cross section, the su57 is simply bigger, they didnt use electron welding, but rivets, so it looks smaller on radar and thats about it, and the f18 is much smaller than a SU-57
It is funny to see a F-35 Lighting II decide to team with Su-57 Felon and J-20 Mighty Dragon just to chase his big brother the F-22 Raptor in a Thumbnail.
Dedicated air superiority fighters is something that does not have alot of job to do in recent years. That's why the F-35 program went along the lines of "cut every corner possible but make it stealth, modular and multirole". While being not that good at dedicated air superiority mission F-35 has an operational edge since single squad being able to shoot enemy fighters and enemy anti-air defense all in one sortie.
How can a single relatively poor country like France put a better multi role plane in the air in half the time? (and yet they have healthcare!) F-35 is a joke - it'll never work - it's simply too complex. How do you replace combat losses for such a complex plane? Materials alone let alone time and pilot training. The point of the F-teen planes is they all had their strengths and weaknesses so you always had the best plane for the job (and they are/were reliable), they complemented each other. When you're flying F-35 you're flying something that's 2nd or 3rd best at everything. (that's assuming it gets into the air without a RTB-worthy fault alarm.) If the F-35 project was finished 10 years ago it would be an amazing plane - the fact it's STILL not finished means it never will be.
Lots of people here talking like they know the specs of each plane as if their moms and dads worked on the planes. Here's me just enjoying the video and seeing how cool this shit is.
It's important to note that the USAF min/maxes and doctrine intends to use a mixed bag of all aircraft in a near-peer conflict. For instance, F-35 will be used to identify targets deep in enemy territory, F-15EX will carry tons of missiles to launch at the targets, and F-22 will protect the F-35's/F-15's from any near-peer aircraft that make it through the onslaught.
After the Ukraine war started and seeing that Russia still doesn't have air superiority yet, and their overall operations halted... I'll take what Russia says about their equipment with a grain of salt. How are they operating in contested airspace with footage of drones taking out their AA systems this far in.... Ukraine is right on their border, they should have made lightwork of their airforce and air defense systems.
In reality, it isn't like the U.S. waited six months to properly suppress Iraq's air force or that it took 44 days to capture the country when they had the advantage of air superiority
the russians also dont value air power the same way the west does. they prefer ground and sea operations. Effective air missions, especially ground support missions require a lot of real time communication from the boots on the ground and the russians just dont have that capabilty
@@thesherbet Even if they dont value air power like US, we are believed that Russians have their touted Integrated Air Defense system which includes short range, medium range and long range AA to cover each other, much like layered armour. But their anti aircraft performance in Ukraine is just outright terrible.
Advantage and demise of the F22 is how incredibly expensive they are to operate and field, and the war machine behind it. The US military has virtually unlimited funding, I don’t think too many other militaries could successfully field the F-22 like the US can.
F-22 more or less suffers from the same problems as the Russian jets. The maintenance costs drop when there are more units in the field. This means more parts, more matured manufacturing techniques, skilled labor force working on it. Also with the time the costs drop even more because more efficient way to manufacture and store parts are introduced. There are many other ways that costs eventually drop I'm sure. Yet F-22 is not in mass production for a long time now. The drop in cost is not significant if there are any. Part can also be more expensive especially when trying to upgrade. That's why Russian jets are so expensive and no matter how hard they try to present themselves as making cheap jets they are definitely not cheap at all as there are not as many parts and not as many skills laborers and techniques developed during the mass manufacturing. The math is pretty much going against Russia
You're dealing with often hypothetical numbers on paper, but you forgot to mention a very important factor: Made in USA vs Made in China and Made in Russia.
It's pretty ironic to see that the newest planes cost more and more but are not as flexible in terms of upgrades than the previous generations. I wonder how the Chinese, the Russians and the Europeans (for their future SCAF) will take this into consideration.
The problem is that the F-22 is almost purely an air superiority fighter, and if multirole craft are close to it in an air-to-air combat scenario, it shows how good the modern planes are
The Euro delta trio are VERY flexible in terms of upgrades - everything is modular and standard interface/protocol based. Bolting on new sensors or weapons is a cinch. F-22 is a nightmare of spaghetti coding and bespoke interfaces backed by horrendously underpowered computing - F-35 inherited some of that - but luckily most of the passive sensor suite was supplied by BAE so they took the Eurofighter modular approach.
They just approved like 11 Billion dollars in upgrades to the F-22 for the F-22 Modernization program. So things like the heads up display used in the F-35 and other weak points in the F-22 can be addressed. The plain is to maintain the F-22 as the primary air superiority fighter for at least the next decade or until it's replaced by a 6th Gen air superiority fighter.
In 2022 it appears most Russian Advanced jets aren't nearly as Advanced as they advertise. Turns out the West was building against an adversary that engineered best on paper but in Real production models were lacking in everything from engineering to electronics to power plants and weapons as well as trained personnel. The Fail rate is staggering.
@@BoleDaPole yes, you do. Not all nukes are delivered via ICBMs. Some are delivered by bombers and those always requires escort for as long as possible to make their runs safely.
EXACTLY. Russia's tactical capabilities are far behind in reality. They have been bluffing and fluffing for a long time. The majority of their "advanced" weapon systems are one offs or still in the prototype phase.
@@BoleDaPole FYSA the US nuclear defense systems are far more capable that people know. We have systems able to take out missiles right after launch, in atmospheric flight, in space, and even in re-entry flight of the warheads. Numerous redundant systems as well.
Im not an expert by any means at all... armchair general here. What I see the future of air-warfare being is basically scouts targeting enemies, and flying missile trucks taking them out. Im aware i'm not the first to point this out but that doesn't mean that won't be how things happen. In that case... theoretically.... keep any plane on radar long enough and it gets taken out. the F-22/F35 are fantastic aircraft. Possibly the best in the world, but they ain't invisible and they can still be targeted. That being said i'd still rather be flying one of those than any other aircraft into battle.
People need to understand these things take FOREVER to get to deployment. Just because something was created in the late 80's doesn't mean it's behind anything. You use the tech available at the time and 10-15 years later yeah, theoretically it's out of date because we can make something better but it would take 10 years to create and on and on we go.
The funniest thing about all this is, the YF-23 was superior to the YF-22 in every area except cost, the Raptor was literally the budget option that they went with because no other country was making a 5th gen fighter anyway, and 30+ years later nobody else has managed to match either plane xD
@@TeoDP7 Nope, the test pilots who flew both confirmed that the YF-23 was the all-round superior plane, the F-22 won entirely on it's lower cost per unit.
Some f-22 problem mentioned are being addressed in the new 10 billion upgrade plan, I’ve seen a picture of it with an advanced targeting pod with a odd shape which could be for stealth
Any military is never about a stand alone weapons system, its about a combination of strategies and weapon systems. The winner is the force that can utilize these variables together in the best way possible.
If it comes to dog fighting, the Raptor still reins supreme. One thing the author forgot to mention is the russian and chinese tendency to overstate their capabilities which may well be the case. While this may also be the case for the US and the F22, I think it’s less likely to be the case. And also given that’s it’s a 30 year design and only after 30 have other dogfighters emerged that MAY (emphasis on “may”) pose a threat, it’s pretty clear that the US won’t lose air superiority any time soon. I am also of the opinion that in these 30 years the US does probably also have some sort of super secret project for a new generation fighter that will dwarf everything the other nations will be able to produce
I might be wrong, probably in fact, but isn't the F-35 basically a huge sensor package? Useful for F-15 missile boats and naval over the horizon missile launches?
With the F22 you have to remember that it is not getting much in modern upgrades concerning the F35 is the new American stealth fighter if the F22 was given a complete modern upgrade it could be something special plus from what I hear there could be a super raptor on the way and who knows what that will have
This comment section is very strange, because it seems like some of these commenters are using a script. So far, I’ve seen two people say something along the lines of “The F-22 is a sitting duck. It uses an APG Radar,” which is a very strange thing to say, and an oddly specific mistake for multiple random people to be making. Do you guys even know what “APG” stands for? “APG” is not a “type” of radar like an AESA. “APG” is simply the US designation given to Airbone combat control radars.
Seems to me with the bad english and very misinterpreted information or properly interpreted anti us propaganda. Looks to be Just a bunch of russian or Chinese bots
@Monty Amen😈😈🇺🇸no other country can say the same, not even remotely! The Soviets, who were the closet to us, as another “superpower”, collapsed after their ppl had a taste of our McDs. We beat them SO badly that Gorbachev, their president, was starring in our Pizza Hut commercials 💀😂we were so ruthless in the 80s and 90s ngl
Nothing is even close. J20 isn't even a proven 5th generation Stealth fighter, The SU-57 only has 4 jets that work and one in operation, and the F35 costs $100 million less than the F-22 for a reason. By the time the J20 and SU-57 has a fully operational fleet, the US will be building it's 6th generation fighter. The old saying "you get what you pay for" applies here and nobody spends more on their airforce than the US.
To be fair there's more off the shelf technology in the F-35 whereas the F-22 had to develop technology . A lot of the cost reduction is directly proportional to Moore's law . Electronics have developed rapidly .
There’s 2 su57’s that are serialized and finished… there was 3 but it was lost in a crash. Unless there’s significant production it’s not gonna compete with the F22 regardless of what tech it has because it doesn’t have the sustainable numbers to match
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22 minutes. Nice
Perfection.
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Enough to wash the dishes.
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Indian's stealth fighter jet is so stealth that nobody on the planet have ever saw or heard of it damn..
Soon this could become a grim reality for enemy fighters as long as our government doesnt pull the program
We don't make one lol 😂
@@breezemont1161 That's the joke
@@breezemont1161 That's the joke
@@breezemont1161 That's the joke
The F22 is also getting the helmet displat/targeting. Also, keep in mind the f35 is build for networking with other f35s, F22s and grund units. So another plateform can target an enemy and they can shoot it down and vice versa.
Yup the US fighters are meant to multiply their sending capability making them untouchable squadron in squadron and there will be more F stealth fighters than anyone else’s 5th gen.
Do you know if the drone squadron thing went anywhere haven’t heard about that in a long while
The F-22s helmet HUD system is likely to be a cut down version of what's onboard F-35 - and F-35's system is already behind the European equivalents. F-22 is very (electrical) power limited and it's proving difficult to come up with a complete modernisation of the avionics suite inside the power-availability envelope - should they decide they have to start delving into the jet engines to uplift power generation - the project cost will undoubtedly spiral out of control and risk being cancelled or will under-deliver.
The F22 was just so much of an overkill when it entered service.
How ?
@@Ronnie_Darko I think they mean it was extremely advanced for the 1990's and 2000's
@@Ronnie_Darko
Imagine being fighting something you could not see.
Imagine trying to figure out the location of something that launched missiles at you that you'd only know were coming from the RADAR Warning Receiver ringing.
Imagine trying to plan for something that your pilots haven't been able to detect, your air defense RADARs are blind to, and is rapidly becoming the mainstay fighter jet of the enemy.
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@@KoishiVibin Imagine thinking you'll take it down at close range and then it either outturns you or the AIM-9 does.
India's mig-21 is the best stealth jet, it often disappear with its pilot.
lol!
Hahaha.. Good one.
Enough to kill a F 16.
Hahaha, i can't stop laughing bro
Iraqi fighters are great at blending into the ground...
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he was a mig 21 pilot oh really?
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I greatly appreciate that the video about F-22, made in 2022, lasts a full 22 minutes and not a second more. Consistency.
wasn't released on february 22 :(
Considering the raptor was design in the 80s and was to start production in the 90s, and is only now starting to have its sun set, shows what an engineering marvel this was.
A 22 minute long video about The F-22 posted in the year 2022
Why is there a lot of 22's
Keep in mind that the F-35 was not designed as an air superiority fighter. It uses its super advanced systems to see everything then direct friendlies. It is designed to work alongside the F-22.
F35 is the beast for decades to come. Actually in some aspects it has more powerful and potent radar than F22.
Like it takes its namesake, it is meant to be a multi-role first, fighter second.
This is true, people look at the raw numbers of speed and agility and immediately think it's useless. They don't often take things into account like sensors and sensor fusion, stealth, and radar technology. The F-35 is a lethal fighter in a huge variety of combat missions, but most of its best capabilities are either classified or not things that translate well to the general public.
That's not what many F-35 customers think. It is the backbone of many air forces around the world, a multirole aircraft that is supposed to fill the air superiority role among others.
@@chefchaudard3580 It fills that role by directing air superiority fighters to the targets. The F-22s can have their radars off making them invisible to the RWR of the enemy planes.
Tbh none of this is particularly important. Air to air combat isn’t a duel. The supporting system is much more important than single plane performance.
Correct.
Pretty sure the NATO support system is pretty robust
It doesn't really matter that the F-22 is slowly being caught up to by other jets. By the time they do finally surpass the F-22, the US will probably already have Gen 6 jets.
Their rivals are already developing their own gen6 jets, such as Mitsubishi and BAE. I doubt jets would go past gen7 or gen8 given how strong loitering munitions are becoming.
@@someonejustsomeone1469 yeah fighter gens can only go so far before it's all lasers and force fields on those planes
@@jaredevans8263 unironically
NGAD is set to fly by 2025/26 and be in service by 2030.
Allegedly testing of new tech has far exceeded expectations with Variable cycle engines, lasers, new missiles, full body radars and IRST trackers, unmanned modes and integrated drone control having several major breakthroughs.
Calling this thing a "fighter jet may be inaccurate as it will apparently be somewhere between the F-22 and B-21 in terms of size.
@@anguswaterhouse9255 I wonder if the size would be bigger than an F111 with flaps extended.
Id say the f35 stacks up pretty well against these three air superiority fighters, seeing how it itself is supposed to serve as a multi-role one.
The f35 is a foundation aircraft designed to do the large scale grunt work of all the Branches of the US military and also to help international partners.
Even how it stacks up in maneuverability, payload, range, and speed is incredible being a much smaller single engine aircraft. Very interested into seeing what sort of batshit designs we get out of NGAD with all the knowledge gained from making F35 F22 and 30 years of advancements
The most impressive part is probably the capabilities it has compared to it's weight, low weight generally translates to lower costs across the board and it really compares nicely to the F-16 in that department.
@@hedgehog3180 Did you just use the term "lower costs" in a sentence about F-35? 😂
@@LondonSteveLee believe it or not, it's relatively cheap compared too other 5th gen fighters, such as the other 3 mentioned in the video
That's why it can be mass produced in the thousands
The F22 was designed in the 80’s, but the thing is it’s highly upgradable. It’s currently the test bed for the sixth gen fighter. The USA upgraded it to the point where it’s a 5.5 gen.
Doesn't really matter when the thing was designed, if nobody has built a more advanced airplane since...
The truth is that the progress of aerospace technology has slowed a bit since, say, the 1950s through 70s. The machines are just so complicated & expensive, it takes decades to develop and field new ones. And, another few decades to get the money's worth out of 'em..
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Can't wait for it to have laser beams and space faring engines in 100 years lolololol. I'm genuinely convinced it would be repurposed rather than retired for a century at least.
@@gamingrex2930 A few years ago......there was some talk that the gigawatt-range laser technology developed for the huge YAL-1 airborne laser platform, a converted 747, might be adaptable into a much smaller package...one that might conceivably even fit into the space left for the lift fan in the F-35B. There's already a shaft from the engine there...
The leap in technology apparently comes from moving toward a solid-state medium, a crystal essentially-not unlike exisiting ruby lasers, to produce the laser light. The YAL-1 laser needed a copper iodide gas to get the right wavelength, which took up essentially the whole fuselage of a 747.
The thing is, the US often doesn’t give the max capabilities of their aircraft, but the Russians often over advertise theirs.
You take the short bus
@@specialman6004 I mean current events are proving this to be a correct statement. All those super fancy ERA that make their tanks completely immune to “all” ATGM are getting royally fisted by a missiles designed in the 80’s. Add javailins and Nlaws. Russia has now lost 160 tanks, 116 AFV’s and 197 IFV’s that are distorts and many more damaged.
Do you have the links where they publish the specs
The US has already started fitting helmet mounted heads up displays in the F-22 as well as upgrading its laser and infrared defense systems. They are also updating its targeting systems and radar absorbing coatings in the next couple of years not that those upgrades are necessary as it is one of the best stealth aircraft in the world and a targeting system effective out to 65 miles with missiles capable of taking targets at that range. The USAF counts it a failure on the pilots part if visual contact is made when not pre-planed.
The su 57 is so stealthy it’s only ever been seen in magazines
AHHHHHHH ha ha ha ha ha those Russians just better not put that hunk of shit in the sky with F-22's or F-35's up there, shit even the F-15 will eat it for breakfast. . . .I am pretty confident F-15 will hold it's own
so it was a magazine that took all does ukranian air fields out ..... i see 0.0
@@asatechnics8363 unfortunately, the magazine was shredded =(
@@alicorn3924 were did you saw that? 0.o are you saying that the ukranians shoot down a su-57? 0.o with what? slingshots? 0.o
@@anthonysaponaro6318 You then will be very very surprised. The SU 57 is now the dominant air superiority platform in the entire world. The only advantage that the USA now hold is numerical superiority. That is not a good position to be in. That area is also rapidly changing as the SU 57 is now in full production.
The F-22 is easily the sexiest plane ever made. I know that's a bold statement, but I really just look at it and think "yeah, that's perfect"
yes
F15 aint that hard on the eyes either...
Definitely. It looks like a sleek beast, not a gangly wasp or a swollen bumblebee.
i do actually really like how the Su-57 looks but i'm going to have to agree with you, although the f-35 does look better from direct side on angles to me
edit: oh and the MiG-25 is pretty good looking too
For real. I've seen them IRL and it was love at first sight. They are a lot bigger in person than I expected.
The USA already has an operational 6th gen fighter according to Skunk works. Information on it is classified so little is known about it. F-22's recently seen with a reflective chrome looking reflective coating is likely just using the Raptor as a R&A platform for future 7th gen aircraft or current 6th gen aircraft. As far as comparing the Raptor with the Chinese J-20 and Su-57 those platforms have yet to fly with the jet engine's that are still painstakingly being resigned and retested and problems with both china and Russia's jet engine's has frustrated both to the point of using Flanker jet engine's which significantly lowers both aircrafts alleged performance which are based on what the aircraft could do with jet engine's that are conceptual on paper and don't work after assembled and doesn't look like they will be operational anytime soon.As far as maneuverability the F22 surpasses what the human body can handle. The computer keeps the pilot from performing maneuvers that would pull so many G's it would kill the pilot. Sadly unmanned drone's are the future of air superiority
Drones driven by AI certainly will eventually outperform anything flown by humans today
I am certain 6th gen fighters will be unmanned aircraft with kids on the ground flying them. Just like playing a video game.
I was out at Edwards AFB back in the day when they were testing both the YF-22 and the YF-23. I was actually working on the B-1 test program at that time but got to see both of these platforms as they were being tested. I believe if anything, US Military Specs are more likely to be under-reported as compared to actual operational combat capabilities. I think the Russians and the Chinese are likely to over-report their capabilities.
In all fairness, it's not Binkov's fault Russia's were capabilities were astronomically over-hyped.
As of last summer, there was only 1 operational su-57. The other one crashed. Meanwhile the f-22 already stopped production 10 yrs ago. These comparisons are fun but not realistic
Especially now, given the recent events.
The US is already working on a 6th generation fighter. Russia and China will always be a step behind, they don't spend $ on research and development like the US does. Realistically Russia won't have a full fleet of Su-57 until 2028, 23 years after the F-22 was introduced.
The Raptor being number 1 is a great thing but it doesn't have to win wars by itself. The Raptor is luckily part of the same team as the F-35 and countless other amazing aircraft that no opponent can come close to messing with when combined.
Ace Combat games have put the F-22 on its cover more than any other plane. Clearly that makes it superior to any of its peers.
superior in terms of sexy looks absolutely
Coming to helmet mounted display, there is a new helmet being developed and its now being tested on the F-22. It's a helmet that allows the F-22 to have the ability to use off boresite capability. It's a one for all helmet which will also be used on F-15s, F-16s and even bombers
Good to know, thanks!
"Coming to" it's 2022! - and that's the reason F-22 is obsolete without a full ground-up avionics refit - the obsolete systems onboard are next to impossible to work with today making upgrades nigh on impossible - the entire electronics suite has to be thrown away and started again. The F-35 overruns probably means that's already aging from a systems point of view.
Warms my heart seeing these Raptors in the sky over Alaska..
We have to remember the F22 was designed during a time when the US thought the Soviet Union had a lot of heavy bombers. So the F22 was designed to shoot those and their escorts before they could see it. The world it was born in was different than what its designers thought was going to be.
Stealth isn't as big a factor in an interceptor...The ATF's real purpose seemed to be more offensive in nature. It was meant, and is still meant, to neutralize an enemy's air defences--in his own territory behind the lines--to allow friendly air forces to operate. Its main targets were always fighters and SAMs, and the design emphasis was always on low-observability, coupled with range and sustained speed & altitude..and also the advanced maneuvering power to still handle any known or projected fighter in ACM..
It's a logical extension of the concept behind the F-15, and even the publicity term used in the program, 'air dominance,' sounds like an extension of the F-15's 'air superiority'...
There’s a reason the f-22 doesn’t have alot of anti missile countermeasures. It’s stealth factor which lowers it’s signature so it’s undetectable until it’s weapons bay opens means it’s invisible. It’s also more maneuverable at high speeds because of vectored thrust. It’s in no danger of being shot down in air to air because that isn’t the role it plays. The US views dogfighting as an ineffective use of these planes. The Russians still use supermaneuverability which the US doesn’t need in a theoretical air to air combat scenarios because we don’t wish to waste an F-22 or an F-35 in a combat roll it might not win in.
The simple fact that Russia and China are both struggling in 2022 to compete with a plane that was designed in the late 80s, early 90s says a lot about American air power and ingenuity.
You know they have something better they are hiding.
@@zackbryan3195 Why hide, though? Reports of Chinese and Russian advancement in hypersonic missiles and railguns got the US wasting money playing catchup. Isn't getting the US to spread itself thin chasing dead ends better for its opponents?
@@jtho8937 they hide it so the enemy doesn't know what's coming, just like they hid the atomic bomb before they dropped it on japan
Money. Hard to beat that American 80s money.
@@zackbryan3195 I kinda doubt the russians have anything up their sleeves. Russian military doctrine has always been to wildly overstate their capabilities, whereas in the west, the philosophy is to understate capabilities.
Funny enough, a lot of the F-22 capabilities are still unknown. It is one of the very few planes the US does not export. Also, during international training operations, the pilots of the F-22 dumb down their training and the plane's capabilities. So a lot of what is considered known intel on the F-22 may be misdirection.
Damn, i always thought f 35 was the best, i thought it was in accending order
@@ROTHSTEIN01 The F35 is supposed to be more multi role. Not comparable. The F22 is a faaaar better fighter jet, the F35 is an attack jet with the ability to defend itself.
@@ROTHSTEIN01 The F35 is supposed to be more multi role. Not comparable. The F22 is a faaaar better fighter jet, the F35 is an attack jet with the ability to defend itself.
@@xeno07_max20 so f 22 is only for destroying other aircrafts?
nah your comment is full of shit. its just all bravado
What many people don’t realize is that todays F-22, is not yesterdays F-22, this flying freak show has the worlds most advanced avionics and radar on top of its stealth and maneuverability , it can not be beaten , even in close quarter dogfighting
You're right most people don't know that. But then so many pretend to be aeronautical engineers and physicists who knows more than the people who built the F22....
it literally has been beaten in close quarters / dogfighting tho?
The Rafale was able to trade blows in a dog fight.
But then again, an F22 should almost never get into a dog fight.
@@tjorven0110 Except they aren't allowed to fly it at its full capability, also whenever the F-22 has been in training exercises with other nations it always has external fuel tanks which lowers its maneuverability.
The Air Force has already flown a 6th Generation Fighter, imagine how dominant that will be considering the F-22 was produced in the 90’s.
Maybe. But it can only be dominant if produced economically, in numbers.
Otherwise you get a situation like Russia's: where they can't afford to actually build or field their high tech weapons.
We don't want another F-22 or F-35 debacle.
@@w0mblemania the F-35’s price has literally dropped to around 90 million and is going to built by thousands more. It is not at all even remotely comparable to something like F-22 or Russian endeavors they cannot afford
For sure. I bet the F22/F35 are the last manned fighters we will see in the USA. Imagine the maneuverability that an unmanned fighter could do.
Brock Wright This...
that was my point too
F-35A, on a good day, with all the kinks ironed out, might be able to match F-22 in a dogfight. It's like comparing F-15 and F-16 back in the day though; both good planes, slightly different roles.
Why spend billions trying to dogfight? The sophistication should be in the weapons systems - not the plane. The US made a fundamental mistake trying to build the ultimate untouchable weapon platforms launching average out-dated weapons. The Europeans spread their research evenly and kept everything up-to-date ignoring stealth rightfully thinking that electronics will overcome it.
F-22 could be detected passively beyond the range of its AMRAAM by Gripen, Rafale and (particularly) Typhoon, which would cue and fire a METEOR before F-22 knows it's there - and if F-22 was actively searching, the trio could cue and fire against her RADAR emissions - again beyond the range of F-22s weapons. BVR supremacy over a supposedly stealth fighter. All the US eggs went into one stealthy basket.
People are overlooking strategies, imo. F-22 is designed for sneak attack capabilities. SU-57 is designed to defend its own airspace. Theoretically, they would be deployed to counter a group of f-22s after they know their approximate locations (i.e. near Russian borders or territory)
American tech is by far superior to its competitors, but the pilots abilities also are.
F22 is gorgeous 😍
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Superior maneuverability becomes quite moot if you can take out the enemy from 300 miles out.
Yup.
After this past week, I have major doubts in the capabilities of Russia and their equipment.
So far they only used old equipment. We have yet to see T-14s and SU-37s on the front.
@@vallttdysney7749 The Su-37 was a technology demonstrator so we'll never see it.
@@vallttdysney7749 they don't have T-14s operational, they only have prototypes. Russia is not capable of mass producing, especially now with zero resources.
I could not agree with you more
@@vallttdysney7749 T-72B3, BUK missile launcher systems, and Pantsir S1 are by no means an old equipment.
T-14 Armata and Su-37s are both not in mass production and definitely will not participate in the conflict.
The SU57 has visible external rivets. It's about as stealthy as the Goodyear blimp.
The weapons bay also has a HUGE gap between the doors. One door is like super off angle. Russia is the WORST at manufacturing. They have no economy, no infrastructure, no production capability. There's a reason that they haven't produced a single version of the SU-57 that meets the specs they claim of the aircraft. They built 12 prototypes, then 5 test/airshow models. The very first production aircraft crashed after it malfunctioned lmao. They've built 3 production models that are "allegedly" seeing combat. That's 21 aircraft in over 13 years, it first "flew" in 2010.
The F-35 started production in 2006. You know how many have been built?... 935. Nine Hundred and Thirty Five!!! The F-22 was in production for 15 years, number built? 187.
Russia sucks. They are nothing but a paper tiger and no one has anything to fear from the fallen giant. They've been slowly dying since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and have been trying to keep up the public façade making the world believe they were still the Cold War superpower they once were. Fooling everyone into fearing them when in reality they were crippled and losing more and more strength.
I'm petty sure that was a prototype
@@ihavenoideas5844 No. That is the actual jet.
I mean, every SU-57 is prototype
@@RedTail1-1i hope they're atleast paying you propaganda bots lmao
Pilots who have flown both F-22 and F-35 have said they would rather fly the F-35 because the situational awareness is far superior.
Pilots who have flown the F-35 call it "the pinguin", I'm not sure it is for its amazing flying capacities
You know I keep reading all these claims from people who say pilots say this and pilots say that, but never any actual evidence. I can only say one thing from an actual interview with Raptor aviators, And they say its the most awesome plane ever built. And its ability to literally see and kill the enemy without them ever knowing there was even a threat is real legitimate. The F35 as many have stated was designed as a workhorse fighter not air superiority, which apparently our 6th gen fighter will be designed for since they are using it to replace the F18s. So when it comes out you can compare it to all the air superiority stuff Russia and China are coming out with.
@@glennmonson5214 Oh, I agree with you, the F22 is good. Very good.
But as a fighter, the F35 is not. And if it's not a fighter, recon and bombing missions can be made as easily (if not better) with others planes for a fraction of the price.
@@jugel4533 Ya but youll noticed it was never meant to be an air superiority fighter, it was meant to be a workhorse and a general can do all platform. The Raptor was meant to be the air superiority fighter but when the costs came out so high and they realized new technologies were coming into play right away they canned making more because they new it was going to outdated before most would be built.
I will point out that the US air force has announced that a 6th generation prototype is already flying, so this comparison may not even matter as is. They said they are on track to introduce the NGAD to service by 2030.
So it'll go live in 2045 several trillion over budget, gotcha.
@@Xynth25 I think it'll be in active service by 2035. It doesn't really matter if it's over budget or not. They're gonna get their money's worth.
@@V8_Diva the current Announcementsays 2030
It's gotta suck to be rolling out fighters in 2022 not as good as an American fighter that's 25 years older.
you're making it seem like they were designed in 2020
@@moussakaii529 If we are going to look at the time they were designed, the F-22 was designed in the early 1980s.
So what we have is a Russian prototype of a plane intended to take on an American fighter designed about 40 years ago.
The first F-22s came rolling off the production line about 1997.
And this Russian 4th generation fighter is STILL inferior!
It has always been that way.
Russian fighters never live up to the hype.
You can get detailed numbers on air-to-air combat for all fighter planes used today.
Here are won-loss records.
See if you notice a trend:
F-4 ............ 306 - 106
F-14 .......... 135 - 4
F-15 .......... 103 - 0
F-16 ............ 76 - 1
F-18 .............. 2 - 1
MiG-21 ....... 240 - 501
MiG-23 ......... 25 - 102
MiG-25 ........... 8 - 8
MiG-29 ........... 6 - 18
SU-27 ............. 6 - 0
By the way, 2 of those MiG-25 victories were against unarmed Cessna propeller-driven airplanes shot down by the Cuban air force.
I don't think there will be a fighter to challenge it maybe until the end of the decade. Despite it's age the F22 is just such a high bar that everyone has been playing catch up. It really is a majestic bird, even the F35 doesn't fly overhead with the same authority. I like the Su57 but it looks like too little too late.
"Not as good" is a metric based on how well a piece of hardware works in relation to the others in an army
@@gabrieleporru4443 One could use the phrase in that way, or one could use it the way I did - which is to refer to Russian crap being rolled out now.
That's what makes it suck. .................. Glad I could clarify.
Russian fighters are always overhyped and do not have the performance in combat to match the hype, like the air-to-air combat won-loss record of 135 - 4 for the F-14; the 103 - 0 record of the F-15 or the 76 - 1 record of the F-16.
That's why air forces equipped with modern U.S. fighters bomb the shit out of targets on the surface belonging to nations foolish enough to buy Russian fighters.
Russian fighters are good for one thing - - - ejection seat testing.
They provide a LOT of data on how well their ejection seats work.
This is also assuming that Su-57 and J-20 are actually as stealthy as their makers claim to be. Russia also claimed it could take Ukraine
yup
The US also claimed it could defeat Taliban and protect Taiwan.
@@frankmerriwell8339 they made those tusken raiders hide in caves for decades and made billions off of the war. I see that as a win tbh
@@frankmerriwell8339 are you being ignorant on purpose or do you actually have an IQ below room temperature?
@@frankmerriwell8339 Yeah... They can protect taiwan. Even without US help there is absolutely no way china has the logistics nor tactics to invade taiwan due to its mountainous terrain and cities not to mention has very few landing areas
What's amazing is that it's still probably the top dog air superiority fighter... More than 20 years after its introduction.
Very true.
Keep in mind that was the point, though. It was a "money is no object" product, built for the doomsday scenario.
After the cold war ended, nobody who could afford to fight America had a need... because they are all allies.
Now China is trying to close the gap, and theyre getting closer and closer.
..... so the rumored 6th gen raptor replacement is on its way.
You gotta love the people who click on the video, don’t watch it, and go straight to the comments to spew some nonsense about their favorite plane or to hate on a plane while having no idea what they are talking about
i go to defense videos for the specific purpose of being angry in the comments and you can't stop me
@@soloqueuepixy I love when I see Indian patriotism in video but I don’t answer anything I only watch
Aaah comment section, where everyone is an expert
Don't you know everyone knows better than the US military, after all they read a single Wikipedia page
I may have missed but I didn't see you show a tail slide by the F22. It is my favorite maneuver to watch. I lived near Langley Airforce Base in the late 00s and I could watch the F22s doing practice. Some days they would just do tail slides over and over. They go completely vertical, hover, and then let the tail move to the front, flip the nose so it is inverted, and then drop into a dive before pulling up and flying away. It is a beautiful and amazing thing to see.
F35 was not meant to dog fight. More of a jamming and ground attack. It was build to work with the f22
Except dogfights almost never happen anymore
The dogfight is dead.
People shat on the f-22 before it was declassified, some claimed the su-27 was better if you would remember 2005 please.
When f-35 is declassified in a couple of years all the critics will shut up.
Because we know nothing about the f-35, the Russians su-57 is irrelevant purely because the advertisement of it as a dogfight proves they don’t know what they’re meant to be preparing to fight and are almost certainly going to be walloped.
If we're talking air superiority, that's 100% going to the F-22. Nothing even comes close.
If we're talking sexy aircraft looks, that's got to go to the SU-57. Looks like it should be flying in space battles. Same could be said for the YF-23
@ERRATAS 002Yeah, it's definitely the best boat of the bunch.
@@r-3675 У нашего есть еще и беспилотник, который может действовать как сообща так и в одиночку. Так что СУ57 выигрывает как по цене так и по оснащению. И ваши Ф только и бьются и ломаются. Ours also has a drone that can act both together and alone. So the SU57 wins both in price and equipment. And your F's are just beating and breaking.
My big problem is that this is HEAVILY based off speculation. Because info about all those aircraft is classified
You can only go off the information you have access to. Binkov did that and was quite clear from the video.
@@josephahner3031 I did watch the video and there was a lot of speculation. And a few things did seem very off
Yeah, it is immensely speculative and imo, pointless beyond entertainment. We know next to nothing and bases everyone on guesses or words of the manufacturer.
I feel like it’s very out of place to compare these aircraft to each other considering like you said, they are all extremely recent (minus the raptor, obviously) and their true capabilities and limitations are behind levels of security clearance.
remember comapaing the f22 to these other planes, it is 30 years old... imagine what they have in development. It took the other countries 30 years to even attempt stealth, we knocked that out in the early 80s,
The F22 may be 1970s or 80s technology. The fact that it is still a world beater speaks to the expense and time it takes to develop fighter aircraft in the modern age. I'll also add that the US is currently testing a next generation fighter just as the opposition is bringing their F22 competitors online.
Exactly us is always evolving while other super powers are trying to catch up! China just copies and steals.
It's an 80s concept, not 80s technology, the technology was developed during the 90s based on an 80s projection. However that really isn't weird for modern day fighters, it takes a long time and a lot of money to develop a modern fighter so they will invariably be based on concepts from decades past and since then we might have learned more or developed technology that enables us to come up with a better technology. The engineers in the 80s were looking at what they could expect to develop within the next decade but of course as that technology was developed new avenues opened up which were then subsequently used in the F-35 program.
It's funny that were asking if anything can take on something 30yrs old. Imagine what our government doesn't announce we have.
F-22 : “Would you intercept me, cuz I’d intercept me”.
Good to see a fellow hlc enjoyer
There is something we aren't taking into account. The arjun mbt...
That never gets old 😂😭😂😭😂
I quite liked the video. One very important aspect that was not discussed is pilot training and experience. I am quite confident US pilots get better training and more time in the air than their Russian or Chinese counterparts. You also mentioned that F-22 does not have an long range missile. Wikipedia disagrees. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-260_JATM The AIM-260 may also be operational in 2022.
it depends, is bombing civilian count as combat experience?
Id assume russians get better training. Im not sure about airforce but unlike America The Russians train with live ammo.
How do you know how much training China and Russian pilots get? How would you know that? You are assuming something you don't know, then broadcasting it like you do know...
Thanks, that's nice to know.
@@Moskal91 Unfortunately, I hear they don't have the money for flying time. The Chinese actually spend an few more hours in the air than the Americans do.
Raptor is getting the same helmet sight system as the F-35.
I think it’s gonna be a beast with that helmet tbh
@@Chrisxx-tv3xu Ultimately if you want the best air superiority fighter, it's got to be designed just as that. No more, no less. Multi-role aircraft do have their uses but ultimately the thing that does its own job best, whether that's air superiority, close air support, bombing, etc., is the thing designed for it. The USAF has gone for a completely multi-role philosophy with its fighter fleet. It's sunk so much into it that it's too late to turn back now. Yet ultimately a fighter's most important role is to dominate the skies. If you're only going to have one type of fighter it should do that the best that can be done because if you lose the skies nothing else your planes can do will matter. Let the fighters secure the skies and then bring other planes to do the CAS with big fuel tanks and large bomb, missile, and gun armaments. I'd love to see a sort of "flying fortress" CAS aircraft that's big and armed to the teeth just meant to stay over a battlefield and give anything unfriendly on the ground a world of hurt.
It's also getting a data link like the F-35
@@cattraknoff I think the multi role thing is being pushed due to stealth. Easier to hide and sneak behind the enemy instead of a dogfight, but idk air superiority is very important for any military
I wonder how much the SU-57 stealth is compromised by the amount of rivoting used that is present on much of the plane. Its a damn georgeous plane though.
Su57 stelth is the same as a f18
@@elitewavez4768 umm no its not.
@@asala2116 yes it is, slightly smaller radar cross section, the su57 is simply bigger, they didnt use electron welding, but rivets, so it looks smaller on radar and thats about it, and the f18 is much smaller than a SU-57
It is funny to see a F-35 Lighting II decide to team with Su-57 Felon and J-20 Mighty Dragon just to chase his big brother the F-22 Raptor in a Thumbnail.
Dedicated air superiority fighters is something that does not have alot of job to do in recent years. That's why the F-35 program went along the lines of "cut every corner possible but make it stealth, modular and multirole".
While being not that good at dedicated air superiority mission F-35 has an operational edge since single squad being able to shoot enemy fighters and enemy anti-air defense all in one sortie.
How can a single relatively poor country like France put a better multi role plane in the air in half the time? (and yet they have healthcare!) F-35 is a joke - it'll never work - it's simply too complex. How do you replace combat losses for such a complex plane? Materials alone let alone time and pilot training. The point of the F-teen planes is they all had their strengths and weaknesses so you always had the best plane for the job (and they are/were reliable), they complemented each other. When you're flying F-35 you're flying something that's 2nd or 3rd best at everything. (that's assuming it gets into the air without a RTB-worthy fault alarm.) If the F-35 project was finished 10 years ago it would be an amazing plane - the fact it's STILL not finished means it never will be.
Lots of people here talking like they know the specs of each plane as if their moms and dads worked on the planes. Here's me just enjoying the video and seeing how cool this shit is.
yes. American F22, Chinese J-20 and Russian Su-57 are not for sale secret weapons that no one on this planet know exactly how powerful they are.
It's important to note that the USAF min/maxes and doctrine intends to use a mixed bag of all aircraft in a near-peer conflict. For instance, F-35 will be used to identify targets deep in enemy territory, F-15EX will carry tons of missiles to launch at the targets, and F-22 will protect the F-35's/F-15's from any near-peer aircraft that make it through the onslaught.
Excellent point.
Nowadays, the plane doing the shooting need not be the plane doing the illumination or identification.
About the F-22, 22 minutes long, first video for 2022.
After the Ukraine war started and seeing that Russia still doesn't have air superiority yet, and their overall operations halted... I'll take what Russia says about their equipment with a grain of salt. How are they operating in contested airspace with footage of drones taking out their AA systems this far in.... Ukraine is right on their border, they should have made lightwork of their airforce and air defense systems.
In reality, it isn't like the U.S. waited six months to properly suppress Iraq's air force or that it took 44 days to capture the country when they had the advantage of air superiority
the russians also dont value air power the same way the west does. they prefer ground and sea operations. Effective air missions, especially ground support missions require a lot of real time communication from the boots on the ground and the russians just dont have that capabilty
@@thesherbet hows that working out for them?
take it with the entire dead sea
@@thesherbet
Even if they dont value air power like US, we are believed that Russians have their touted Integrated Air Defense system which includes short range, medium range and long range AA to cover each other, much like layered armour.
But their anti aircraft performance in Ukraine is just outright terrible.
Advantage and demise of the F22 is how incredibly expensive they are to operate and field, and the war machine behind it. The US military has virtually unlimited funding, I don’t think too many other militaries could successfully field the F-22 like the US can.
F-22 more or less suffers from the same problems as the Russian jets. The maintenance costs drop when there are more units in the field. This means more parts, more matured manufacturing techniques, skilled labor force working on it. Also with the time the costs drop even more because more efficient way to manufacture and store parts are introduced. There are many other ways that costs eventually drop I'm sure. Yet F-22 is not in mass production for a long time now. The drop in cost is not significant if there are any. Part can also be more expensive especially when trying to upgrade. That's why Russian jets are so expensive and no matter how hard they try to present themselves as making cheap jets they are definitely not cheap at all as there are not as many parts and not as many skills laborers and techniques developed during the mass manufacturing. The math is pretty much going against Russia
You're dealing with often hypothetical numbers on paper, but you forgot to mention a very important factor: Made in USA vs Made in China and Made in Russia.
Before we retire the F22. We need a dogfight btw the Su-57 and the F22.
Are there even any properly operational Su-57s. russia has been unable to secure air superiority in Ukraine..
Cue the vodka soaked "muh f117 was shot down once" comments
Comment section full of the usual parade of aircraft designers, astrophysicists, arms procurement experts and the like.
It's pretty ironic to see that the newest planes cost more and more but are not as flexible in terms of upgrades than the previous generations. I wonder how the Chinese, the Russians and the Europeans (for their future SCAF) will take this into consideration.
The problem is that the F-22 is almost purely an air superiority fighter, and if multirole craft are close to it in an air-to-air combat scenario, it shows how good the modern planes are
Modular platforms are less secure platforms. Flexibility is vital, but it's a double edged sword unfortunately.
The Euro delta trio are VERY flexible in terms of upgrades - everything is modular and standard interface/protocol based. Bolting on new sensors or weapons is a cinch. F-22 is a nightmare of spaghetti coding and bespoke interfaces backed by horrendously underpowered computing - F-35 inherited some of that - but luckily most of the passive sensor suite was supplied by BAE so they took the Eurofighter modular approach.
Guess you will need to evaluate MIG-21s against it, because that's the future of the rssn airforce now 😂😂
why?
@@parallax9084 Ukraine’s wrecking any of the other jets that the Russians are utilizing.
@@turbochad69 i see, but ukraine isnt wrecking russian jets, its all just propaganda
@@parallax9084 ukraine
@@parallax9084 Bruh LMAO
The Russians always have the coolest paint jobs. That clip with the felon in the hanger is awesome.
They just approved like 11 Billion dollars in upgrades to the F-22 for the F-22 Modernization program. So things like the heads up display used in the F-35 and other weak points in the F-22 can be addressed. The plain is to maintain the F-22 as the primary air superiority fighter for at least the next decade or until it's replaced by a 6th Gen air superiority fighter.
He did mention at the start this was only for the current version and not with future upgrades.
F-35 is just money maker, no actual combat abilities
@@artos9406 Tell that to the Israelis
Half of that money will pay for studying whether the F-22 is gender neutral or whether it is racist. Our military has completely lost the plot!
@@artos9406 you have no idea what you are talking about.
In 2022 it appears most Russian Advanced jets aren't nearly as Advanced as they advertise. Turns out the West was building against an adversary that engineered best on paper but in Real production models were lacking in everything from engineering to electronics to power plants and weapons as well as trained personnel. The Fail rate is staggering.
Don't need Jets in a nuke fight.
@@BoleDaPole yes, you do.
Not all nukes are delivered via ICBMs. Some are delivered by bombers and those always requires escort for as long as possible to make their runs safely.
@@TheSpectralFX Don’t worry, nuke-carrying hypersonic missiles will solve the problem plus UAVs. When you are nuked, no need to worry about all that.
EXACTLY. Russia's tactical capabilities are far behind in reality. They have been bluffing and fluffing for a long time. The majority of their "advanced" weapon systems are one offs or still in the prototype phase.
@@BoleDaPole
FYSA the US nuclear defense systems are far more capable that people know. We have systems able to take out missiles right after launch, in atmospheric flight, in space, and even in re-entry flight of the warheads. Numerous redundant systems as well.
So amazing that the f22 is such a future proof aircraft, should be building and modernizing those planes.
The F-22 is an amazing plane, although it will likely be overtaken by 2030 by the USAF's NGAD fighter program
it currently is being modernized
As a F22, can confirm I am the best fighter aircraft in the US air force
Idk the f-35 would give you a run for your money in overall usefulness.
You are biased just because you're a f22!
@pacpwr typhoon moment
If you’re talking a pure air superiority aircraft, absolutely!
When the video is 22 minutes long. Really makes you think
By the time anyone catches up to F 22 , The Ngad will come on line.Then back to playing catch up.
Im not an expert by any means at all... armchair general here. What I see the future of air-warfare being is basically scouts targeting enemies, and flying missile trucks taking them out. Im aware i'm not the first to point this out but that doesn't mean that won't be how things happen. In that case... theoretically.... keep any plane on radar long enough and it gets taken out. the F-22/F35 are fantastic aircraft. Possibly the best in the world, but they ain't invisible and they can still be targeted. That being said i'd still rather be flying one of those than any other aircraft into battle.
People need to understand these things take FOREVER to get to deployment. Just because something was created in the late 80's doesn't mean it's behind anything. You use the tech available at the time and 10-15 years later yeah, theoretically it's out of date because we can make something better but it would take 10 years to create and on and on we go.
The funniest thing about all this is, the YF-23 was superior to the YF-22 in every area except cost, the Raptor was literally the budget option that they went with because no other country was making a 5th gen fighter anyway, and 30+ years later nobody else has managed to match either plane xD
But just imagine if they had went with the 23.. That sun would riding with it for some time to come instead of "slowly setting" now for the 22.
No, F-22 was chosen beacuse it was more agile, thank you.
@@TeoDP7 Nope, the test pilots who flew both confirmed that the YF-23 was the all-round superior plane, the F-22 won entirely on it's lower cost per unit.
@@llynellyn F-22 has also better capabilities.
As an expert from mom's basement I can say that f22 and su57 look the best. Pretty planes. Other things don't matter. They are not supposed to fight.
Some f-22 problem mentioned are being addressed in the new 10 billion upgrade plan, I’ve seen a picture of it with an advanced targeting pod with a odd shape which could be for stealth
Any military is never about a stand alone weapons system, its about a combination of strategies and weapon systems. The winner is the force that can utilize these variables together in the best way possible.
So an f-14 taking down almost 3 su-57s?
Exactly! In which The US are very far ahead in The World!
If it comes to dog fighting, the Raptor still reins supreme. One thing the author forgot to mention is the russian and chinese tendency to overstate their capabilities which may well be the case. While this may also be the case for the US and the F22, I think it’s less likely to be the case.
And also given that’s it’s a 30 year design and only after 30 have other dogfighters emerged that MAY (emphasis on “may”) pose a threat, it’s pretty clear that the US won’t lose air superiority any time soon.
I am also of the opinion that in these 30 years the US does probably also have some sort of super secret project for a new generation fighter that will dwarf everything the other nations will be able to produce
i mean f-15's are getting shot down on the reg........../s
I might be wrong, probably in fact, but isn't the F-35 basically a huge sensor package? Useful for F-15 missile boats and naval over the horizon missile launches?
Well the F-35 can and will do that in the future, but thats not all it does, it can do bombing, air to air by itself, and more.
With the F22 you have to remember that it is not getting much in modern upgrades concerning the F35 is the new American stealth fighter if the F22 was given a complete modern upgrade it could be something special plus from what I hear there could be a super raptor on the way and who knows what that will have
I refuse to believe that you didn't make the video 22 minutes on purpose xD
It’s funny how the airplane is 22, the year is 22, the video length is 22.
This comment section is very strange, because it seems like some of these commenters are using a script. So far, I’ve seen two people say something along the lines of “The F-22 is a sitting duck. It uses an APG Radar,” which is a very strange thing to say, and an oddly specific mistake for multiple random people to be making. Do you guys even know what “APG” stands for? “APG” is not a “type” of radar like an AESA. “APG” is simply the US designation given to Airbone combat control radars.
Seems to me with the bad english and very misinterpreted information or properly interpreted anti us propaganda. Looks to be Just a bunch of russian or Chinese bots
I still wish the YF-23 was a production jet fighter.
6th Gen Aircraft are apparently on the horizon. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the US never restarted the F-22 program.
@Monty that’s just overkill 😭
@Monty it is matched WOW you yanks if someone said their shit stinks yours would smell worse.
@Monty Amen😈😈🇺🇸no other country can say the same, not even remotely! The Soviets, who were the closet to us, as another “superpower”, collapsed after their ppl had a taste of our McDs. We beat them SO badly that Gorbachev, their president, was starring in our Pizza Hut commercials 💀😂we were so ruthless in the 80s and 90s ngl
Also note that exercises against other countries F-22 and F-35 are not allowed to be perform its full ability.
Why?
@@tbomb69 We do not want to risk exposure or media reception of certain technologies as others would LOVE to reverse engineer it.
Thanks
Nothing is even close. J20 isn't even a proven 5th generation Stealth fighter, The SU-57 only has 4 jets that work and one in operation, and the F35 costs $100 million less than the F-22 for a reason. By the time the J20 and SU-57 has a fully operational fleet, the US will be building it's 6th generation fighter. The old saying "you get what you pay for" applies here and nobody spends more on their airforce than the US.
To be fair there's more off the shelf technology in the F-35 whereas the F-22 had to develop technology . A lot of the cost reduction is directly proportional to Moore's law . Electronics have developed rapidly .
dude i think they already test flighted there 6thgen fighter. i was watching hella shit about it
There's a rule when it comes to headlines in the form of questions: the Answer is always "no". The exception is when immediately in it says "yes"
The F22 just went through a 1 billion dollar upgrade
There’s 2 su57’s that are serialized and finished… there was 3 but it was lost in a crash. Unless there’s significant production it’s not gonna compete with the F22 regardless of what tech it has because it doesn’t have the sustainable numbers to match
A US military fighter over 20 years old. No chance this is the best fighter available to the US. Has no one seen Stargate :)
Kamala Harris has yellow eyes..