Can anything match the F-22 in 2022?
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2022
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Raptor is still considered by many to be the best jet fighter in existence. Well, how DOES it really stack up against its main competitors in 2022? This video goes in depth as it compares F-22 with the Su-57, the J-20 and the F-35.
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not 22% discount?
The Budget can get the F22
Phanthom of the raptor
@@ShanGamer1981 v
Indian's stealth fighter jet is so stealth that nobody on the planet have ever saw or heard of it damn..
Soon this could become a grim reality for enemy fighters as long as our government doesnt pull the program
We don't make one lol 😂
@@breezemont1161 That's the joke
@@breezemont1161 That's the joke
@@breezemont1161 That's the joke
22 minutes. Nice
Perfection.
In honor of the f-22
Enough to wash the dishes.
Nice. Nice.. Niiiccceeee... 👌
22 22 22
The F22 is also getting the helmet displat/targeting. Also, keep in mind the f35 is build for networking with other f35s, F22s and grund units. So another plateform can target an enemy and they can shoot it down and vice versa.
Yup the US fighters are meant to multiply their sending capability making them untouchable squadron in squadron and there will be more F stealth fighters than anyone else’s 5th gen.
Do you know if the drone squadron thing went anywhere haven’t heard about that in a long while
The F-22s helmet HUD system is likely to be a cut down version of what's onboard F-35 - and F-35's system is already behind the European equivalents. F-22 is very (electrical) power limited and it's proving difficult to come up with a complete modernisation of the avionics suite inside the power-availability envelope - should they decide they have to start delving into the jet engines to uplift power generation - the project cost will undoubtedly spiral out of control and risk being cancelled or will under-deliver.
The F22 was just so much of an overkill when it entered service.
How ?
@@Kingholloween I think they mean it was extremely advanced for the 1990's and 2000's
@@Kingholloween
Imagine being fighting something you could not see.
Imagine trying to figure out the location of something that launched missiles at you that you'd only know were coming from the RADAR Warning Receiver ringing.
Imagine trying to plan for something that your pilots haven't been able to detect, your air defense RADARs are blind to, and is rapidly becoming the mainstay fighter jet of the enemy.
🌈 "Imagination" 🌈
@@KoishiVibin Imagine thinking you'll take it down at close range and then it either outturns you or the AIM-9 does.
India's mig-21 is the best stealth jet, it often disappear with its pilot.
lol!
Hahaha.. Good one.
Enough to kill a F 16.
Hahaha, i can't stop laughing bro
Iraqi fighters are great at blending into the ground...
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he was a mig 21 pilot oh really?
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The su 57 is so stealthy it’s only ever been seen in magazines
AHHHHHHH ha ha ha ha ha those Russians just better not put that hunk of shit in the sky with F-22's or F-35's up there, shit even the F-15 will eat it for breakfast. . . .I am pretty confident F-15 will hold it's own
so it was a magazine that took all does ukranian air fields out ..... i see 0.0
@@asatechnics8363 unfortunately, the magazine was shredded =(
@@alicorn3924 were did you saw that? 0.o are you saying that the ukranians shoot down a su-57? 0.o with what? slingshots? 0.o
@@anthonysaponaro6318 You then will be very very surprised. The SU 57 is now the dominant air superiority platform in the entire world. The only advantage that the USA now hold is numerical superiority. That is not a good position to be in. That area is also rapidly changing as the SU 57 is now in full production.
The thing is, the US often doesn’t give the max capabilities of their aircraft, but the Russians often over advertise theirs.
You take the short bus
@@specialman6004 I mean current events are proving this to be a correct statement. All those super fancy ERA that make their tanks completely immune to “all” ATGM are getting royally fisted by a missiles designed in the 80’s. Add javailins and Nlaws. Russia has now lost 160 tanks, 116 AFV’s and 197 IFV’s that are distorts and many more damaged.
Do you have the links where they publish the specs
I greatly appreciate that the video about F-22, made in 2022, lasts a full 22 minutes and not a second more. Consistency.
wasn't released on february 22 :(
A 22 minute long video about The F-22 posted in the year 2022
Why is there a lot of 22's
It doesn't really matter that the F-22 is slowly being caught up to by other jets. By the time they do finally surpass the F-22, the US will probably already have Gen 6 jets.
Their rivals are already developing their own gen6 jets, such as Mitsubishi and BAE. I doubt jets would go past gen7 or gen8 given how strong loitering munitions are becoming.
@@someonejustsomeone1469 yeah fighter gens can only go so far before it's all lasers and force fields on those planes
@@jaredevans8263 unironically
NGAD is set to fly by 2025/26 and be in service by 2030.
Allegedly testing of new tech has far exceeded expectations with Variable cycle engines, lasers, new missiles, full body radars and IRST trackers, unmanned modes and integrated drone control having several major breakthroughs.
Calling this thing a "fighter jet may be inaccurate as it will apparently be somewhere between the F-22 and B-21 in terms of size.
@@anguswaterhouse9255 I wonder if the size would be bigger than an F111 with flaps extended.
Considering the raptor was design in the 80s and was to start production in the 90s, and is only now starting to have its sun set, shows what an engineering marvel this was.
Keep in mind that the F-35 was not designed as an air superiority fighter. It uses its super advanced systems to see everything then direct friendlies. It is designed to work alongside the F-22.
F35 is the beast for decades to come. Actually in some aspects it has more powerful and potent radar than F22.
Like it takes its namesake, it is meant to be a multi-role first, fighter second.
This is true, people look at the raw numbers of speed and agility and immediately think it's useless. They don't often take things into account like sensors and sensor fusion, stealth, and radar technology. The F-35 is a lethal fighter in a huge variety of combat missions, but most of its best capabilities are either classified or not things that translate well to the general public.
That's not what many F-35 customers think. It is the backbone of many air forces around the world, a multirole aircraft that is supposed to fill the air superiority role among others.
@@chefchaudard3580 It fills that role by directing air superiority fighters to the targets. The F-22s can have their radars off making them invisible to the RWR of the enemy planes.
Tbh none of this is particularly important. Air to air combat isn’t a duel. The supporting system is much more important than single plane performance.
Correct.
Pretty sure the NATO support system is pretty robust
The F22 was designed in the 80’s, but the thing is it’s highly upgradable. It’s currently the test bed for the sixth gen fighter. The USA upgraded it to the point where it’s a 5.5 gen.
Doesn't really matter when the thing was designed, if nobody has built a more advanced airplane since...
The truth is that the progress of aerospace technology has slowed a bit since, say, the 1950s through 70s. The machines are just so complicated & expensive, it takes decades to develop and field new ones. And, another few decades to get the money's worth out of 'em..
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Can't wait for it to have laser beams and space faring engines in 100 years lolololol. I'm genuinely convinced it would be repurposed rather than retired for a century at least.
@@gamingrex2930 A few years ago......there was some talk that the gigawatt-range laser technology developed for the huge YAL-1 airborne laser platform, a converted 747, might be adaptable into a much smaller package...one that might conceivably even fit into the space left for the lift fan in the F-35B. There's already a shaft from the engine there...
The leap in technology apparently comes from moving toward a solid-state medium, a crystal essentially-not unlike exisiting ruby lasers, to produce the laser light. The YAL-1 laser needed a copper iodide gas to get the right wavelength, which took up essentially the whole fuselage of a 747.
The F-22 is easily the sexiest plane ever made. I know that's a bold statement, but I really just look at it and think "yeah, that's perfect"
yes
F15 aint that hard on the eyes either...
Definitely. It looks like a sleek beast, not a gangly wasp or a swollen bumblebee.
i do actually really like how the Su-57 looks but i'm going to have to agree with you, although the f-35 does look better from direct side on angles to me
edit: oh and the MiG-25 is pretty good looking too
For real. I've seen them IRL and it was love at first sight. They are a lot bigger in person than I expected.
Id say the f35 stacks up pretty well against these three air superiority fighters, seeing how it itself is supposed to serve as a multi-role one.
The f35 is a foundation aircraft designed to do the large scale grunt work of all the Branches of the US military and also to help international partners.
Even how it stacks up in maneuverability, payload, range, and speed is incredible being a much smaller single engine aircraft. Very interested into seeing what sort of batshit designs we get out of NGAD with all the knowledge gained from making F35 F22 and 30 years of advancements
The most impressive part is probably the capabilities it has compared to it's weight, low weight generally translates to lower costs across the board and it really compares nicely to the F-16 in that department.
@@hedgehog3180 Did you just use the term "lower costs" in a sentence about F-35? 😂
@@LondonSteveLee believe it or not, it's relatively cheap compared too other 5th gen fighters, such as the other 3 mentioned in the video
That's why it can be mass produced in the thousands
Comment section full of the usual parade of aircraft designers, astrophysicists, arms procurement experts and the like.
The simple fact that Russia and China are both struggling in 2022 to compete with a plane that was designed in the late 80s, early 90s says a lot about American air power and ingenuity.
You know they have something better they are hiding.
@@zackbryan3195 Why hide, though? Reports of Chinese and Russian advancement in hypersonic missiles and railguns got the US wasting money playing catchup. Isn't getting the US to spread itself thin chasing dead ends better for its opponents?
@@jtho8937 they hide it so the enemy doesn't know what's coming, just like they hid the atomic bomb before they dropped it on japan
Money. Hard to beat that American 80s money.
@@zackbryan3195 I kinda doubt the russians have anything up their sleeves. Russian military doctrine has always been to wildly overstate their capabilities, whereas in the west, the philosophy is to understate capabilities.
The US has already started fitting helmet mounted heads up displays in the F-22 as well as upgrading its laser and infrared defense systems. They are also updating its targeting systems and radar absorbing coatings in the next couple of years not that those upgrades are necessary as it is one of the best stealth aircraft in the world and a targeting system effective out to 65 miles with missiles capable of taking targets at that range. The USAF counts it a failure on the pilots part if visual contact is made when not pre-planed.
Considering that it's almost 30 years old and other nations are just now starting to make a plane that MIGHT match it just shows how much of a technology gap their is.
I mean it was able to beat the f16 which has the highest k/d ratio of all US fighters, while handicapped.
OH Please...In reality F22 is an outdated runway princess that's why the US airforce wants to retire it.
I thought f15 had best kd lol, smth like 104-0
@@thecobra45 that's the right data. The F-15 has the best air to air combat record of any modern aircraft.
The USA already has an operational 6th gen fighter according to Skunk works. Information on it is classified so little is known about it. F-22's recently seen with a reflective chrome looking reflective coating is likely just using the Raptor as a R&A platform for future 7th gen aircraft or current 6th gen aircraft. As far as comparing the Raptor with the Chinese J-20 and Su-57 those platforms have yet to fly with the jet engine's that are still painstakingly being resigned and retested and problems with both china and Russia's jet engine's has frustrated both to the point of using Flanker jet engine's which significantly lowers both aircrafts alleged performance which are based on what the aircraft could do with jet engine's that are conceptual on paper and don't work after assembled and doesn't look like they will be operational anytime soon.As far as maneuverability the F22 surpasses what the human body can handle. The computer keeps the pilot from performing maneuvers that would pull so many G's it would kill the pilot. Sadly unmanned drone's are the future of air superiority
Drones driven by AI certainly will eventually outperform anything flown by humans today
I am certain 6th gen fighters will be unmanned aircraft with kids on the ground flying them. Just like playing a video game.
As of last summer, there was only 1 operational su-57. The other one crashed. Meanwhile the f-22 already stopped production 10 yrs ago. These comparisons are fun but not realistic
Especially now, given the recent events.
The US is already working on a 6th generation fighter. Russia and China will always be a step behind, they don't spend $ on research and development like the US does. Realistically Russia won't have a full fleet of Su-57 until 2028, 23 years after the F-22 was introduced.
Funny enough, a lot of the F-22 capabilities are still unknown. It is one of the very few planes the US does not export. Also, during international training operations, the pilots of the F-22 dumb down their training and the plane's capabilities. So a lot of what is considered known intel on the F-22 may be misdirection.
Damn, i always thought f 35 was the best, i thought it was in accending order
@@ROTHSTEIN01 The F35 is supposed to be more multi role. Not comparable. The F22 is a faaaar better fighter jet, the F35 is an attack jet with the ability to defend itself.
@@ROTHSTEIN01 The F35 is supposed to be more multi role. Not comparable. The F22 is a faaaar better fighter jet, the F35 is an attack jet with the ability to defend itself.
@@xeno07_max20 so f 22 is only for destroying other aircrafts?
nah your comment is full of shit. its just all bravado
After this past week, I have major doubts in the capabilities of Russia and their equipment.
So far they only used old equipment. We have yet to see T-14s and SU-37s on the front.
@@vallttdysney7749 The Su-37 was a technology demonstrator so we'll never see it.
@@vallttdysney7749 they don't have T-14s operational, they only have prototypes. Russia is not capable of mass producing, especially now with zero resources.
I could not agree with you more
@@vallttdysney7749 T-72B3, BUK missile launcher systems, and Pantsir S1 are by no means an old equipment.
T-14 Armata and Su-37s are both not in mass production and definitely will not participate in the conflict.
F-22 : “Would you intercept me, cuz I’d intercept me”.
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In all fairness, it's not Binkov's fault Russia's were capabilities were astronomically over-hyped.
Ace Combat games have put the F-22 on its cover more than any other plane. Clearly that makes it superior to any of its peers.
superior in terms of sexy looks absolutely
We have to remember the F22 was designed during a time when the US thought the Soviet Union had a lot of heavy bombers. So the F22 was designed to shoot those and their escorts before they could see it. The world it was born in was different than what its designers thought was going to be.
Stealth isn't as big a factor in an interceptor...The ATF's real purpose seemed to be more offensive in nature. It was meant, and is still meant, to neutralize an enemy's air defences--in his own territory behind the lines--to allow friendly air forces to operate. Its main targets were always fighters and SAMs, and the design emphasis was always on low-observability, coupled with range and sustained speed & altitude..and also the advanced maneuvering power to still handle any known or projected fighter in ACM..
It's a logical extension of the concept behind the F-15, and even the publicity term used in the program, 'air dominance,' sounds like an extension of the F-15's 'air superiority'...
I was out at Edwards AFB back in the day when they were testing both the YF-22 and the YF-23. I was actually working on the B-1 test program at that time but got to see both of these platforms as they were being tested. I believe if anything, US Military Specs are more likely to be under-reported as compared to actual operational combat capabilities. I think the Russians and the Chinese are likely to over-report their capabilities.
This is also assuming that Su-57 and J-20 are actually as stealthy as their makers claim to be. Russia also claimed it could take Ukraine
yup
The US also claimed it could defeat Taliban and protect Taiwan.
@@frankmerriwell8339 they made those tusken raiders hide in caves for decades and made billions off of the war. I see that as a win tbh
@@frankmerriwell8339 are you being ignorant on purpose or do you actually have an IQ below room temperature?
@@frankmerriwell8339 Yeah... They can protect taiwan. Even without US help there is absolutely no way china has the logistics nor tactics to invade taiwan due to its mountainous terrain and cities not to mention has very few landing areas
The Air Force has already flown a 6th Generation Fighter, imagine how dominant that will be considering the F-22 was produced in the 90’s.
Maybe. But it can only be dominant if produced economically, in numbers.
Otherwise you get a situation like Russia's: where they can't afford to actually build or field their high tech weapons.
We don't want another F-22 or F-35 debacle.
@@w0mblemania the F-35’s price has literally dropped to around 90 million and is going to built by thousands more. It is not at all even remotely comparable to something like F-22 or Russian endeavors they cannot afford
For sure. I bet the F22/F35 are the last manned fighters we will see in the USA. Imagine the maneuverability that an unmanned fighter could do.
Brock Wright This...
that was my point too
Pilots who have flown both F-22 and F-35 have said they would rather fly the F-35 because the situational awareness is far superior.
Pilots who have flown the F-35 call it "the pinguin", I'm not sure it is for its amazing flying capacities
You know I keep reading all these claims from people who say pilots say this and pilots say that, but never any actual evidence. I can only say one thing from an actual interview with Raptor aviators, And they say its the most awesome plane ever built. And its ability to literally see and kill the enemy without them ever knowing there was even a threat is real legitimate. The F35 as many have stated was designed as a workhorse fighter not air superiority, which apparently our 6th gen fighter will be designed for since they are using it to replace the F18s. So when it comes out you can compare it to all the air superiority stuff Russia and China are coming out with.
@@glennmonson5214 Oh, I agree with you, the F22 is good. Very good.
But as a fighter, the F35 is not. And if it's not a fighter, recon and bombing missions can be made as easily (if not better) with others planes for a fraction of the price.
@@jugel4533 Ya but youll noticed it was never meant to be an air superiority fighter, it was meant to be a workhorse and a general can do all platform. The Raptor was meant to be the air superiority fighter but when the costs came out so high and they realized new technologies were coming into play right away they canned making more because they new it was going to outdated before most would be built.
As a F22, can confirm I am the best fighter aircraft in the US air force
Idk the f-35 would give you a run for your money in overall usefulness.
You are biased just because you're a f22!
@pacpwr typhoon moment
If you’re talking a pure air superiority aircraft, absolutely!
What many people don’t realize is that todays F-22, is not yesterdays F-22, this flying freak show has the worlds most advanced avionics and radar on top of its stealth and maneuverability , it can not be beaten , even in close quarter dogfighting
You're right most people don't know that. But then so many pretend to be aeronautical engineers and physicists who knows more than the people who built the F22....
it literally has been beaten in close quarters / dogfighting tho?
The Rafale was able to trade blows in a dog fight.
But then again, an F22 should almost never get into a dog fight.
@@tjorven0110 Except they aren't allowed to fly it at its full capability, also whenever the F-22 has been in training exercises with other nations it always has external fuel tanks which lowers its maneuverability.
Aaah comment section, where everyone is an expert
Don't you know everyone knows better than the US military, after all they read a single Wikipedia page
Coming to helmet mounted display, there is a new helmet being developed and its now being tested on the F-22. It's a helmet that allows the F-22 to have the ability to use off boresite capability. It's a one for all helmet which will also be used on F-15s, F-16s and even bombers
Good to know, thanks!
"Coming to" it's 2022! - and that's the reason F-22 is obsolete without a full ground-up avionics refit - the obsolete systems onboard are next to impossible to work with today making upgrades nigh on impossible - the entire electronics suite has to be thrown away and started again. The F-35 overruns probably means that's already aging from a systems point of view.
There’s a reason the f-22 doesn’t have alot of anti missile countermeasures. It’s stealth factor which lowers it’s signature so it’s undetectable until it’s weapons bay opens means it’s invisible. It’s also more maneuverable at high speeds because of vectored thrust. It’s in no danger of being shot down in air to air because that isn’t the role it plays. The US views dogfighting as an ineffective use of these planes. The Russians still use supermaneuverability which the US doesn’t need in a theoretical air to air combat scenarios because we don’t wish to waste an F-22 or an F-35 in a combat roll it might not win in.
It's gotta suck to be rolling out fighters in 2022 not as good as an American fighter that's 25 years older.
you're making it seem like they were designed in 2020
@@moussakaii529 If we are going to look at the time they were designed, the F-22 was designed in the early 1980s.
So what we have is a Russian prototype of a plane intended to take on an American fighter designed about 40 years ago.
The first F-22s came rolling off the production line about 1997.
And this Russian 4th generation fighter is STILL inferior!
It has always been that way.
Russian fighters never live up to the hype.
You can get detailed numbers on air-to-air combat for all fighter planes used today.
Here are won-loss records.
See if you notice a trend:
F-4 ............ 306 - 106
F-14 .......... 135 - 4
F-15 .......... 103 - 0
F-16 ............ 76 - 1
F-18 .............. 2 - 1
MiG-21 ....... 240 - 501
MiG-23 ......... 25 - 102
MiG-25 ........... 8 - 8
MiG-29 ........... 6 - 18
SU-27 ............. 6 - 0
By the way, 2 of those MiG-25 victories were against unarmed Cessna propeller-driven airplanes shot down by the Cuban air force.
I don't think there will be a fighter to challenge it maybe until the end of the decade. Despite it's age the F22 is just such a high bar that everyone has been playing catch up. It really is a majestic bird, even the F35 doesn't fly overhead with the same authority. I like the Su57 but it looks like too little too late.
"Not as good" is a metric based on how well a piece of hardware works in relation to the others in an army
@@gabrieleporru4443 One could use the phrase in that way, or one could use it the way I did - which is to refer to Russian crap being rolled out now.
That's what makes it suck. .................. Glad I could clarify.
Russian fighters are always overhyped and do not have the performance in combat to match the hype, like the air-to-air combat won-loss record of 135 - 4 for the F-14; the 103 - 0 record of the F-15 or the 76 - 1 record of the F-16.
That's why air forces equipped with modern U.S. fighters bomb the shit out of targets on the surface belonging to nations foolish enough to buy Russian fighters.
Russian fighters are good for one thing - - - ejection seat testing.
They provide a LOT of data on how well their ejection seats work.
F-35A, on a good day, with all the kinks ironed out, might be able to match F-22 in a dogfight. It's like comparing F-15 and F-16 back in the day though; both good planes, slightly different roles.
Why spend billions trying to dogfight? The sophistication should be in the weapons systems - not the plane. The US made a fundamental mistake trying to build the ultimate untouchable weapon platforms launching average out-dated weapons. The Europeans spread their research evenly and kept everything up-to-date ignoring stealth rightfully thinking that electronics will overcome it.
F-22 could be detected passively beyond the range of its AMRAAM by Gripen, Rafale and (particularly) Typhoon, which would cue and fire a METEOR before F-22 knows it's there - and if F-22 was actively searching, the trio could cue and fire against her RADAR emissions - again beyond the range of F-22s weapons. BVR supremacy over a supposedly stealth fighter. All the US eggs went into one stealthy basket.
American tech is by far superior to its competitors, but the pilots abilities also are.
F22 is gorgeous 😍
That's absolutely true 👍. USA 🇺🇸 .I love the USA 🇺🇸 💜 ❤
The SU57 has visible external rivets. It's about as stealthy as the Goodyear blimp.
The weapons bay also has a HUGE gap between the doors. One door is like super off angle. Russia is the WORST at manufacturing. They have no economy, no infrastructure, no production capability. There's a reason that they haven't produced a single version of the SU-57 that meets the specs they claim of the aircraft. They built 12 prototypes, then 5 test/airshow models. The very first production aircraft crashed after it malfunctioned lmao. They've built 3 production models that are "allegedly" seeing combat. That's 21 aircraft in over 13 years, it first "flew" in 2010.
The F-35 started production in 2006. You know how many have been built?... 935. Nine Hundred and Thirty Five!!! The F-22 was in production for 15 years, number built? 187.
Russia sucks. They are nothing but a paper tiger and no one has anything to fear from the fallen giant. They've been slowly dying since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and have been trying to keep up the public façade making the world believe they were still the Cold War superpower they once were. Fooling everyone into fearing them when in reality they were crippled and losing more and more strength.
I'm petty sure that was a prototype
@@ihavenoideas5844 No. That is the actual jet.
I mean, every SU-57 is prototype
@@RedFail1-1i hope they're atleast paying you propaganda bots lmao
Warms my heart seeing these Raptors in the sky over Alaska..
Raptor is getting the same helmet sight system as the F-35.
I think it’s gonna be a beast with that helmet tbh
@@Chrisxx-tv3xu Ultimately if you want the best air superiority fighter, it's got to be designed just as that. No more, no less. Multi-role aircraft do have their uses but ultimately the thing that does its own job best, whether that's air superiority, close air support, bombing, etc., is the thing designed for it. The USAF has gone for a completely multi-role philosophy with its fighter fleet. It's sunk so much into it that it's too late to turn back now. Yet ultimately a fighter's most important role is to dominate the skies. If you're only going to have one type of fighter it should do that the best that can be done because if you lose the skies nothing else your planes can do will matter. Let the fighters secure the skies and then bring other planes to do the CAS with big fuel tanks and large bomb, missile, and gun armaments. I'd love to see a sort of "flying fortress" CAS aircraft that's big and armed to the teeth just meant to stay over a battlefield and give anything unfriendly on the ground a world of hurt.
It's also getting a data link like the F-35
@@cattraknoff I think the multi role thing is being pushed due to stealth. Easier to hide and sneak behind the enemy instead of a dogfight, but idk air superiority is very important for any military
I will point out that the US air force has announced that a 6th generation prototype is already flying, so this comparison may not even matter as is. They said they are on track to introduce the NGAD to service by 2030.
So it'll go live in 2045 several trillion over budget, gotcha.
@@Xynth25 I think it'll be in active service by 2035. It doesn't really matter if it's over budget or not. They're gonna get their money's worth.
@@V8_Diva the current Announcementsays 2030
Superior maneuverability becomes quite moot if you can take out the enemy from 300 miles out.
Yup.
You gotta love the people who click on the video, don’t watch it, and go straight to the comments to spew some nonsense about their favorite plane or to hate on a plane while having no idea what they are talking about
i go to defense videos for the specific purpose of being angry in the comments and you can't stop me
@@soloqueuepixy I love when I see Indian patriotism in video but I don’t answer anything I only watch
My big problem is that this is HEAVILY based off speculation. Because info about all those aircraft is classified
You can only go off the information you have access to. Binkov did that and was quite clear from the video.
@@josephahner3031 I did watch the video and there was a lot of speculation. And a few things did seem very off
Yeah, it is immensely speculative and imo, pointless beyond entertainment. We know next to nothing and bases everyone on guesses or words of the manufacturer.
In 2022 it appears most Russian Advanced jets aren't nearly as Advanced as they advertise. Turns out the West was building against an adversary that engineered best on paper but in Real production models were lacking in everything from engineering to electronics to power plants and weapons as well as trained personnel. The Fail rate is staggering.
Don't need Jets in a nuke fight.
@@BoleDaPole yes, you do.
Not all nukes are delivered via ICBMs. Some are delivered by bombers and those always requires escort for as long as possible to make their runs safely.
@@TheSpectralFX Don’t worry, nuke-carrying hypersonic missiles will solve the problem plus UAVs. When you are nuked, no need to worry about all that.
EXACTLY. Russia's tactical capabilities are far behind in reality. They have been bluffing and fluffing for a long time. The majority of their "advanced" weapon systems are one offs or still in the prototype phase.
@@BoleDaPole
FYSA the US nuclear defense systems are far more capable that people know. We have systems able to take out missiles right after launch, in atmospheric flight, in space, and even in re-entry flight of the warheads. Numerous redundant systems as well.
The Raptor being number 1 is a great thing but it doesn't have to win wars by itself. The Raptor is luckily part of the same team as the F-35 and countless other amazing aircraft that no opponent can come close to messing with when combined.
The F22 may be 1970s or 80s technology. The fact that it is still a world beater speaks to the expense and time it takes to develop fighter aircraft in the modern age. I'll also add that the US is currently testing a next generation fighter just as the opposition is bringing their F22 competitors online.
Exactly us is always evolving while other super powers are trying to catch up! China just copies and steals.
It's an 80s concept, not 80s technology, the technology was developed during the 90s based on an 80s projection. However that really isn't weird for modern day fighters, it takes a long time and a lot of money to develop a modern fighter so they will invariably be based on concepts from decades past and since then we might have learned more or developed technology that enables us to come up with a better technology. The engineers in the 80s were looking at what they could expect to develop within the next decade but of course as that technology was developed new avenues opened up which were then subsequently used in the F-35 program.
If we're talking air superiority, that's 100% going to the F-22. Nothing even comes close.
If we're talking sexy aircraft looks, that's got to go to the SU-57. Looks like it should be flying in space battles. Same could be said for the YF-23
@ERRATAS 002Yeah, it's definitely the best boat of the bunch.
@@r-3675 У нашего есть еще и беспилотник, который может действовать как сообща так и в одиночку. Так что СУ57 выигрывает как по цене так и по оснащению. И ваши Ф только и бьются и ломаются. Ours also has a drone that can act both together and alone. So the SU57 wins both in price and equipment. And your F's are just beating and breaking.
People are overlooking strategies, imo. F-22 is designed for sneak attack capabilities. SU-57 is designed to defend its own airspace. Theoretically, they would be deployed to counter a group of f-22s after they know their approximate locations (i.e. near Russian borders or territory)
I wonder how much the SU-57 stealth is compromised by the amount of rivoting used that is present on much of the plane. Its a damn georgeous plane though.
Su57 stelth is the same as a f18
@@elitewavez4768 umm no its not.
@@asala2116 yes it is, slightly smaller radar cross section, the su57 is simply bigger, they didnt use electron welding, but rivets, so it looks smaller on radar and thats about it, and the f18 is much smaller than a SU-57
About the F-22, 22 minutes long, first video for 2022.
Dedicated air superiority fighters is something that does not have alot of job to do in recent years. That's why the F-35 program went along the lines of "cut every corner possible but make it stealth, modular and multirole".
While being not that good at dedicated air superiority mission F-35 has an operational edge since single squad being able to shoot enemy fighters and enemy anti-air defense all in one sortie.
How can a single relatively poor country like France put a better multi role plane in the air in half the time? (and yet they have healthcare!) F-35 is a joke - it'll never work - it's simply too complex. How do you replace combat losses for such a complex plane? Materials alone let alone time and pilot training. The point of the F-teen planes is they all had their strengths and weaknesses so you always had the best plane for the job (and they are/were reliable), they complemented each other. When you're flying F-35 you're flying something that's 2nd or 3rd best at everything. (that's assuming it gets into the air without a RTB-worthy fault alarm.) If the F-35 project was finished 10 years ago it would be an amazing plane - the fact it's STILL not finished means it never will be.
After the Ukraine war started and seeing that Russia still doesn't have air superiority yet, and their overall operations halted... I'll take what Russia says about their equipment with a grain of salt. How are they operating in contested airspace with footage of drones taking out their AA systems this far in.... Ukraine is right on their border, they should have made lightwork of their airforce and air defense systems.
In reality, it isn't like the U.S. waited six months to properly suppress Iraq's air force or that it took 44 days to capture the country when they had the advantage of air superiority
the russians also dont value air power the same way the west does. they prefer ground and sea operations. Effective air missions, especially ground support missions require a lot of real time communication from the boots on the ground and the russians just dont have that capabilty
@@thesherbet hows that working out for them?
take it with the entire dead sea
@@thesherbet
Even if they dont value air power like US, we are believed that Russians have their touted Integrated Air Defense system which includes short range, medium range and long range AA to cover each other, much like layered armour.
But their anti aircraft performance in Ukraine is just outright terrible.
What's amazing is that it's still probably the top dog air superiority fighter... More than 20 years after its introduction.
Very true.
Keep in mind that was the point, though. It was a "money is no object" product, built for the doomsday scenario.
After the cold war ended, nobody who could afford to fight America had a need... because they are all allies.
Now China is trying to close the gap, and theyre getting closer and closer.
..... so the rumored 6th gen raptor replacement is on its way.
It's funny that were asking if anything can take on something 30yrs old. Imagine what our government doesn't announce we have.
F-35: get him.
F-22: bro same team.
F-22: It's treason then
@@Leorhit F-22: it's over F-35, I have the high ground.
@@bigballzmcdrawz2921 F-35, Su-57 and J-20: by orders of the International Fighter Mafia, your are under arrest.
Advantage and demise of the F22 is how incredibly expensive they are to operate and field, and the war machine behind it. The US military has virtually unlimited funding, I don’t think too many other militaries could successfully field the F-22 like the US can.
F-22 more or less suffers from the same problems as the Russian jets. The maintenance costs drop when there are more units in the field. This means more parts, more matured manufacturing techniques, skilled labor force working on it. Also with the time the costs drop even more because more efficient way to manufacture and store parts are introduced. There are many other ways that costs eventually drop I'm sure. Yet F-22 is not in mass production for a long time now. The drop in cost is not significant if there are any. Part can also be more expensive especially when trying to upgrade. That's why Russian jets are so expensive and no matter how hard they try to present themselves as making cheap jets they are definitely not cheap at all as there are not as many parts and not as many skills laborers and techniques developed during the mass manufacturing. The math is pretty much going against Russia
F35 was not meant to dog fight. More of a jamming and ground attack. It was build to work with the f22
Except dogfights almost never happen anymore
The dogfight is dead.
People shat on the f-22 before it was declassified, some claimed the su-27 was better if you would remember 2005 please.
When f-35 is declassified in a couple of years all the critics will shut up.
Because we know nothing about the f-35, the Russians su-57 is irrelevant purely because the advertisement of it as a dogfight proves they don’t know what they’re meant to be preparing to fight and are almost certainly going to be walloped.
remember comapaing the f22 to these other planes, it is 30 years old... imagine what they have in development. It took the other countries 30 years to even attempt stealth, we knocked that out in the early 80s,
I quite liked the video. One very important aspect that was not discussed is pilot training and experience. I am quite confident US pilots get better training and more time in the air than their Russian or Chinese counterparts. You also mentioned that F-22 does not have an long range missile. Wikipedia disagrees. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-260_JATM The AIM-260 may also be operational in 2022.
it depends, is bombing civilian count as combat experience?
Id assume russians get better training. Im not sure about airforce but unlike America The Russians train with live ammo.
How do you know how much training China and Russian pilots get? How would you know that? You are assuming something you don't know, then broadcasting it like you do know...
Thanks, that's nice to know.
@@Moskal91 Unfortunately, I hear they don't have the money for flying time. The Chinese actually spend an few more hours in the air than the Americans do.
It is funny to see a F-35 Lighting II decide to team with Su-57 Felon and J-20 Mighty Dragon just to chase his big brother the F-22 Raptor in a Thumbnail.
Unfortunately the history of the raptor will ensure it's never mass produced. The way it was budgeted by congress is that each of the 50 U.S states had to manufacture at least one component if the aircraft unlike the F-35 program which is centralized and has no such restriction. That's why so few were built.
It's pretty ironic to see that the newest planes cost more and more but are not as flexible in terms of upgrades than the previous generations. I wonder how the Chinese, the Russians and the Europeans (for their future SCAF) will take this into consideration.
The problem is that the F-22 is almost purely an air superiority fighter, and if multirole craft are close to it in an air-to-air combat scenario, it shows how good the modern planes are
Modular platforms are less secure platforms. Flexibility is vital, but it's a double edged sword unfortunately.
The Euro delta trio are VERY flexible in terms of upgrades - everything is modular and standard interface/protocol based. Bolting on new sensors or weapons is a cinch. F-22 is a nightmare of spaghetti coding and bespoke interfaces backed by horrendously underpowered computing - F-35 inherited some of that - but luckily most of the passive sensor suite was supplied by BAE so they took the Eurofighter modular approach.
The Russians always have the coolest paint jobs. That clip with the felon in the hanger is awesome.
Before we retire the F22. We need a dogfight btw the Su-57 and the F22.
Are there even any properly operational Su-57s. russia has been unable to secure air superiority in Ukraine..
When the video is 22 minutes long. Really makes you think
There is something we aren't taking into account. The arjun mbt...
That never gets old 😂😭😂😭😂
It’s funny how the airplane is 22, the year is 22, the video length is 22.
I refuse to believe that you didn't make the video 22 minutes on purpose xD
The F22 just went through a 1 billion dollar upgrade
The funniest thing about all this is, the YF-23 was superior to the YF-22 in every area except cost, the Raptor was literally the budget option that they went with because no other country was making a 5th gen fighter anyway, and 30+ years later nobody else has managed to match either plane xD
But just imagine if they had went with the 23.. That sun would riding with it for some time to come instead of "slowly setting" now for the 22.
No, F-22 was chosen beacuse it was more agile, thank you.
@@TeoDP7 Nope, the test pilots who flew both confirmed that the YF-23 was the all-round superior plane, the F-22 won entirely on it's lower cost per unit.
@@llynellyn F-22 has also better capabilities.
Cue the vodka soaked "muh f117 was shot down once" comments
I feel like it’s very out of place to compare these aircraft to each other considering like you said, they are all extremely recent (minus the raptor, obviously) and their true capabilities and limitations are behind levels of security clearance.
I may have missed but I didn't see you show a tail slide by the F22. It is my favorite maneuver to watch. I lived near Langley Airforce Base in the late 00s and I could watch the F22s doing practice. Some days they would just do tail slides over and over. They go completely vertical, hover, and then let the tail move to the front, flip the nose so it is inverted, and then drop into a dive before pulling up and flying away. It is a beautiful and amazing thing to see.
Lots of people here talking like they know the specs of each plane as if their moms and dads worked on the planes. Here's me just enjoying the video and seeing how cool this shit is.
yes. American F22, Chinese J-20 and Russian Su-57 are not for sale secret weapons that no one on this planet know exactly how powerful they are.
They just approved like 11 Billion dollars in upgrades to the F-22 for the F-22 Modernization program. So things like the heads up display used in the F-35 and other weak points in the F-22 can be addressed. The plain is to maintain the F-22 as the primary air superiority fighter for at least the next decade or until it's replaced by a 6th Gen air superiority fighter.
He did mention at the start this was only for the current version and not with future upgrades.
F-35 is just money maker, no actual combat abilities
@@artos9406 Tell that to the Israelis
Half of that money will pay for studying whether the F-22 is gender neutral or whether it is racist. Our military has completely lost the plot!
@@artos9406 you have no idea what you are talking about.
Only hopes, dreams and propaganda can match the F-22.
F-22 is clearly the King of the fighters for air superiority.
F-35 is a multi role fighter rather than air superiority, but has the best situational awareness and targeting.
J-20 is a missile truck, good for BVR and exists in significant numbers.
SU-57 is a bluff and boast - there’s a reason India bailed on the project. If they were truly so dominant, Russia would have air superiority over Ukraine.
The reason india bailed is because russia would have given them a cheaper su 57
You are like 5 IQ.
Do you have seen squadrons of ukraine jets or helicopter in the counteroffensice? No, cause they dont have that much anymore - cause russia destroyed pretty much everything in ukraine.
USA also didnt have air dominance in jugoslawia.
Su-57 is not a bluff or boast.
It is bluff and boast not because it sucks (I don't know why people keep making that statement) but because it doesn't exist in large numbers.
@@waldemar31293 And yet there's no russian planes over ukraine. If their jets were any good they could do SEAD, but they can't, even with a 20 to 1 numerical advantage.
@@Joesolo13uhh maybe they don’t want to risk it?😂
Why risk dozens of aircraft performing sead missions? That’s not very bright. They already have air superiority on the front so having air superiority over all of Ukraine would not be useful unless you wanna carpet bomb the country like the US normally does.
Guess you will need to evaluate MIG-21s against it, because that's the future of the rssn airforce now 😂😂
why?
@@parallax9084 Ukraine’s wrecking any of the other jets that the Russians are utilizing.
@@turbochad69 i see, but ukraine isnt wrecking russian jets, its all just propaganda
@@parallax9084 ukraine
@@parallax9084 Bruh LMAO
For such a old plane to be still the top dog is something else. Just a marvel of creativity.
It's because they don't have the military budget to develope there tack so they wait till they can steal it from the US.thats why there is no public info on US hypersonic weapons or planes.
@@carlosdonestevez7532 Oh there is public info on US hypersonic weapon. They keep falling off their bombers. Looks like they have a mind of their own! Secret US Skynet prototype? Jk*
@@scudb5509 given that they had the sr71 in the 60s going well past mach 3 and the f22 and f35 have more powerful engins. I'm betting what they don't tell us about is alot more impressive then what they do. Skunkworks has yet to take a break and the sr72 is a public nasa project.that alone should tell you somthing.
@@carlosdonestevez7532 The SR-71 never entered Soviet airspace. But, I bet in America they don’t tell you that.
Do you want me to start listing the things the Soviets actually built that never made it to the frontline service? “Ehhh it’s too expensive, ehh why use that when we have these, ehh no need, we have numbers.” Because, if I start it’s going to be an essay.
The Russians always had the technology and the brains. They did not always have the money to mass produce it.
@@scudb5509 in america we don't care cuz the soviet union dosent exist anymore.
Ask any fighter pilot or naval aviator in the world if they could avoid 1 plane for their entire career what would that plane be and they would immediately tell you the F-22. It out runs, out climbs, and out maneuvers the best planes in the world. To make matters worse it's still basically impervious to radar. It scares the crap out of our enemies.
That would not be case against SU-57. With its new engine which is not taken into account in this video it would not be able to outrun climb or out maneuver the SU-57.
@@chadbernard2641 still depends on the pilot, the su57 and f22 might be a good but if the pilot has a shitty tactics then one of the might shutdown
@@genmarmontenegro4300 for sure I am assuming equal talented pilots. Really pilots and tactics are biggest thing. My thing is I see a lot of Americans dismiss SU-57 because its Russian plane. I think its a mistake if you do research the plane has way more capability than given credit for. While Russia is behind US in technology I think they made big leap with SU-57. They may not have caught all the way up but they are not as far behind as ppl think.
@Aiden Prezas you are correct production has been slow. Part of that is on purpose though. They are waiting for new engine to complete testing. they have 7 and 12 more are being built currently but only 5 more are scheduled to have AL41F1 engine.
This plane will not be given up on as it is supposed to be the quarterback for the S-70 drones. They are 100% behind this plane. I don't think they will ever meet unless there is a war. Even then with new missiles they both have they may never get close enough.
@Aiden Prezas Su-57 went into mass production 6 months ago. They should have a fleet between 50 and 75 by 2030
Bottom line is when the United States decided to not sell the F-22 to any country thats how good it is.
Video about the F22 is 22 minutes long
I didn't see it
As an expert from mom's basement I can say that f22 and su57 look the best. Pretty planes. Other things don't matter. They are not supposed to fight.
By the time anyone catches up to F 22 , The Ngad will come on line.Then back to playing catch up.
At the end of last year, congress earmarked 10 billion to upgrade the raptors to super raptor status. So, I would expect to see some of the issues raised here to be addressed. This should tide the USAF over until the NGAD 6th gen planes become publicly operational.
If major war was to break out the US within 4 years could have 10,000 F22 and 100,000 F35 in the sky. And a hundred carries to deploy in the war.
@@bighands69 No one would have four years, especially if opposing world powers were involved. I'm thinking minutes.
@@Prognox
China does not have enough weapons for full nuclear exchange and neither does Russia. Even the US with its trillions of spending probably has about 20 to 40% of its cold war weapons.
The US is probably the only country with full nuclear exchange capabilities but in 20 years time they may not have that ability either.
The weapons launch systems are complex and have thousands of miles of cable systems, switching systems and control systems. Most of those were not kept up in the last 35 years.
Even the physical mechanisms in the warhead probably have seized up. I think everybody is basing their experience on 40 to 60 year old weapon systems.
Would the fuel systems in the missiles even be active at this point with all the damp that would manifest in the systems.
@@bighands69 what drugs you on mate?
@@deanstephens2876
Russian military budget has been increasing its military budget to $90 billion per year. ANd that is nowhere near enough to get their 50 year old systems up and running.
Please tell me this is not hard to understand.
It’s honestly so sad to me the F-22 is by far the best yet will be the first of these planes to retire. Despite being absolutely fantastic the raptor doesn’t fit into the new US military doctrine
They honestly didn't need to make it really yes its amazing but it's never been used and is really air show jet but it has given its 6th gen replacement good data to go on
By far the best? Bit of a stretch.
It turned out to be just too expensive. Not only to buy but to keep running. Per hour flight costs soared way above any previous estimates. On top of all that it's not easily upgradeable and future modernization will be hideously expensive as well. So they figured it's probably better to have three F-35s available for the same cost as one F-22.
NGAD my dude lol
At the end of the day both the F-22 and F-35 will work together in the battlefield and will most likely give US air superiority.
Except they have been talking about retiring the F-22 for a while now. Especially after the F-35 was introduced.
What is most likely to happen is that the F-35 gathers target information, and sends that information to the F-15EX which fires AMRAAMS that use datalink to guide to the targets. That's the current "battle plan". The F-35 is the scout, the F-15EX is the missile truck.
This is the same brainwashing that the US during the cold war for the young. However, I know that I always want a new "consumer" product. The F22 and F35 are old products... One thing America is also good at is repackaging old ideals like an Super Tom Cat on F22 body... How about taking Korea KAI 21 Bormae and putting swing wings... I seen it with a tail hook...PS...I also like to pimp out my Asian built car ...
@@RedFail1-1not really this is just a concept, currently EXs are slated for a homeland defense role. And as of now the plan is still to use F-35s and F-22s for air superiority then move the 4th gens in when the battle space is less contested. The introduction of CCAs in the next few years will shake it up a lot. Then ~2030 6th gens will come into play.
Over goat herders, sure, that's easy.
@@miriamweller812 both the Russians and the U.S. have had air superiority over goat hoarders so only time will tell
You're dealing with often hypothetical numbers on paper, but you forgot to mention a very important factor: Made in USA vs Made in China and Made in Russia.
There’s 2 su57’s that are serialized and finished… there was 3 but it was lost in a crash. Unless there’s significant production it’s not gonna compete with the F22 regardless of what tech it has because it doesn’t have the sustainable numbers to match
Wtf ...f22 in 2022
Video length 22 minutes
And i am currently watching at time 22:22
I live in india ...you can cross verify ...lol
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Obviously the SU57 isn't designed to be stealthy. Fun game: count the visible rivets on SU57s.
It probably was designed to be stealthy, it just failed at it in execution due to poor manufacturing.
@jim wrong. It is stealthy
@@andilamh2791 no, its not.
@@cartersharpnack yes it is. Dude you don"t kno what you're talking about
@@andilamh2791 no, it's not. It uses outdated jet engines that give off a large thermal signature.
6th Gen Aircraft are apparently on the horizon. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the US never restarted the F-22 program.
You’re right atm the US is working on a 6 Gen fighter as we speak.
@@Jabba.Da.Hutt_ that’s just overkill 😭
@@abel_underwater well I mean America is the only world Superpower so when it comes to the military there not slacking or wasting time 😂. I mean there’s a reason why the B-2 even tho it’s still amazing at what it does already has its replacement ready, the B-21 and also why the US is also building the SR-72 Blackbird and many other aircraft. I think what’s quite a statement of how good military wise we are is the F-22. It was designed and built in the 90’s and it’s a 5th generation aircraft 💀, seriously if we can make something from the 90’s that’s still un-matched by any other aircraft to this day is quite a testament of how good our military is.
@@Jabba.Da.Hutt_ it is matched WOW you yanks if someone said their shit stinks yours would smell worse.
@@Jabba.Da.Hutt_ Amen😈😈🇺🇸no other country can say the same, not even remotely! The Soviets, who were the closet to us, as another “superpower”, collapsed after their ppl had a taste of our McDs. We beat them SO badly that Gorbachev, their president, was starring in our Pizza Hut commercials 💀😂we were so ruthless in the 80s and 90s ngl
F 22 in 2022 in 22 minutes