I've never seen such a highly skilled judge! He sets a very high standard for his courtroom and the way he conducts himself and his judgements are impeccable. The man knows his law! 👏👏👏👏👏
She just wanted to redirect the investigation. The defense is basically complaining that detectives "speculated", lol exactly that's how they investigate crimes.
I call bullshit on that also whoopee she wanted to help dig in some dirt like really 🙄 that doesn’t mean jack shit if she wanted to help fine Jennifer Body & lay her to rest , all this would have done been over by now #JusticeJennifer# 🙏🏻
This defence guy is dreadful, and do not tell me he is good..she lied on camera, and changed her story..he is acting as if she didn’t …does he think we are blind and deaf..
If I have to hear that fool talk about the rain again today, I’ll puke. Enough is enough. If she was honest about it raining, it was one of the few, VERY FEW THINGS, SHE WAS HONEST ABOUT.
I totally agree.......... that went ON and ON and On.... I think the jury went to sleep dury all of that... it was not of much consequence at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my gosh! This judge has so much patience with this defense attorney! He wants to argue EVERYTHING! It shows that the judge is fair and just. A woman’s freedom is on the line and he takes that seriously enough to hear every argument even if they’re petty.
From little bit of understanding- sometimes an attorney will frequently raise issues and objections in the event the client doesn’t get favorable trial outcome. The attorney can somehow make the argument that their client didn’t receive a fair trial… and blah blah
Lord Defense attorneys can sound so stupid by asking the exact same question the prosecution asked five minutes prior. Is it just to hear himself talk? It’s bordering ridiculous. His CLIENT is on trial because she DID intentionally lie and mislead law enforcement not simply because we all know she was having an affair with a married man with five children. His client thought ole Fotis had some $$ but she soon learned he couldn’t even afford to buy her coffee at Starbucks!!
So who else thinks that Dulos hiked the night before to the other house and early am drove the red pickup with the fake plates to do the killing and then met up with Traconis after she dropped her kid at school. Then they did the clean up and disposal. I would have gone on foot in the dark of night…that’s my theory anyway.
"The best thing about telling the truth is that you don't have to remember what you said" Usually if you tell a lie you have to tell at least l0 lies to cover it up.
I love when the judge asks the defense "who was it that requested the interrogation film?", lol the lawyer was trying to back peddle and then fell uncharacteristically silent. He can't have it both ways.
And will also come out about the bloodied back seats that they tried to replace the Michelle helped clean. Everybody think oh Michelle's innocent they don't have evidence. Wait for it. Wait for it. It's a coming
I think the defense lawyer is nervous…can’t really prove Michelle did not know anything about Jennifers death and in hiding the evidence. I guess he’s doing his job.
He is getting everything on the record in case she is convicted. It’s unfortunate that everyone has to listen to the same thing over and over, but it’s his job annoying as it is.
This defence attorney doesn't want anyone to know the truth and only have his side heard. Disgraceful. Annoying and pathetic. Hope after all this, she goes down for life.
@heather768 Yeah, seems scared the truth will come out and doesn't want it to because she's got money. This is justice for Jennifer after all so let's have the truth.
I have watched this trial from the beginning. I am a licensed mental health profession who has worked in the California Prison system and many other settings including domestic violence, sexual assault, trauma, etc. It is my opinion Ms. Troconis was a victim of a conman with ani-social personality disorder with narcissism. He appeared to be a "knight in shinning armor" (red flag ladies) to a vulnerable person. I have not seen any evidence from the prosecution that shows guilt on the part of Ms. Troconis. Mr. Dulos appears to have many illegal dealings and a serial cheater. Motive was to receive access to the children's trust funds so Peter could pay Paul. His house of cards would soon be tumbling down.
He never dumped her. Her attorney and a court order stopped any communication between them. She is innocent. Listen to the three interrogations where she freely attempts to truthfully answer all questions of the pushy bullies who call themselves detectives. The timeline she drafted was on the advice of Fotis’s attorney . She is innocent. And I did not come to this conclusion until I watched the attempt to railroad her in the interrogations.
Please she a slippery liar. I have listened to all of the interviews innocent people telling the truth don’t change their story several times/she wanted Jennifer’s life and HER money and fotis convinced her of infallible plan to get all the money! GUILTY
People, don’t answer questions if you get pulled over for a traffic stop, you don’t have to and they don’t know you and w only use it against you fyi ;)
In yesterdays trial, when they were at Starbucks, the Prosecution played the video, was that to show Michelle lied about the sandwich, because she said, it tasted awful and she threw it in the garbage, the video showed Fotis taking bites out of it, and walking out the door with it..oops Michelle..
I'm actually watching the current day 14 of the trial but You TUBE isn't allowing comments but I wanted to ask rhis before I forgot WHY DOES THE DEFENSE INSIST ON ASKING QUESTIONS THAT THE WITNESS HAS ALREADY TESTIFIED TO? Did the female defense attorney need practice standing, walking & asking questions infront of an audience?
He literally makes them repeat what they already said then asks random questions like how did you step in the street "did you put your hands up" "did you use the police command " or the Supremes stop in the name of love. His questions are never relevant "oh by the way what road is 70 miles down the road and do you see a little girl on the screen that's he'd daughter
Pawvel didn't "just" consent...he was advised by his attorney, then he consented. He had NOTHING to hide, and was willing to turn over his cellphone. Fotis set him up as well, but Pawvel is more astute than Michelle, and his suspicion of Fotis came quicker.
6:37 How people appear to act? Remember Lindy Chamberlain - the hate and assumptions she received when blamed for her babys death in Alice Springs in the '80's when it was later proved to have been a dingo.
@@ppw2393 you are right in the respect that a dingo is not mentioned - however the overarching point I was trying to make is the amount of damage done to a defendant when accusations are made despite the evidence (exculpatory).
Horn opens up certain conversations, then objects to the reply they give, because it didn't go the way he wanted it to go. The question about how Fotis and Michelle looked at each other with stern looks, was a question Horn asked, but didn't like the reply. He beats about the bush with his line of questioning, and he loses himself in his own arguments. This doesn't help Michelle.
S-Horn and his stupid questions regarding the obvious surevailence video, doesn't help Michelle. It actually calls more attention to her comimgs and goings, no matter the time of day, road conditions, or if there was another exit out of the house she was cleaning. She was there, going back and forth, and there's nothing to dispute or anything tp prove otherwise. She was there and the surevailence cameras are accurate. What was his point? If there was a separate entrance, clearly, they didn't use it.
Horn goes on and on, and I get lost in his babbles. I am sure he's doing a great job for his client, but if I were a juror, I would be so lost with some of his arguments. He's not a good speaker.
@@joanc5441 She barely knew him? What a laughable comment. She lived with him, she worked with him, she accompanied him to to toss evidence around town!!! Any reasonable person would have questioned his actions that day. And, ever after, she knew Jennifer was missing, she still stood by him. She going to jail, for sure!!!
I think Fotis took his bicycle early AM on 5-24-19 to ride to 80 Mountain Spring rd house and put it in the bed of the Red toyota Tucoma. He then drove towards the park near Jennifer's house and parked the Red toyota where they captured it near Jennifer's abandoned Surbuban. He then took the bicycle to ride over to Jennifer's home. he waited in lay near her garage area...After he plundgered her upon her return from dropping off kids, he cleaned up all the evidence with those paper towels and water from kitchen faucet. He was by her home for over 2 hours . He dumped her and evidence in her black Suburban and drove it to the RED Toyota& transfered it to that vehicle but then he abandoned both trucks. They never found that bicycle , but his bicycle from Greece was missing. Not sure where he cut her shirt and bra in the front middle but he did want the seats on the RED Toyota replaced as he told Mr. G. ...He and Michelle went to DETAIL clean that red pick up toyota...so it seems like most of the blood transfer was in that vehicle.
Did MT say she driving suburban when it was followed out of mountain residence followed by a red pickup? So much deliberate confusion in her interviews!
@@StephSilva-qw1lm yes, i saw that too, but detective could not say for sure which black vehicle it was .. i am a bit confused with all 4 vehicles in this case.what was the Black Ford rapture significance in all this?
The defense attorney is doing exactly what he’s supposed to do. If he was representing me I’d surely want him to be objective to everything. It may seem annoying but he’s actually doing a great job and he’s a very smart attorney. And yes, I was a paralegal for almost 20 years so I’ve spent a great deal of time in courts and working with lawyers and judges.
he's toooo emotionally involved and he's appearing desperate. have you actually tried to comprehend his prolixities? i think he has his own personality disorder and I'll leave it there.
This Judge is awesome so aware, intelligent and accurate with his overrules and sustains... and so patient!!
I've never seen such a highly skilled judge! He sets a very high standard for his courtroom and the way he conducts himself and his judgements are impeccable. The man knows his law! 👏👏👏👏👏
I mean he has quickly impressed me! Love his style and mannerisms.
Agreed! Makes watching this trial engaging, interesting and teachable.
Is this defense attorney frustrating anyone else?
Yup
Is it just me or is he going deep on things that have no meaning?
Yes
So irritating, annoying . . . .
He’s totally annoying. I would not want to be her with him for my attorney!
the defense lawyer gives me a headache
The fact that she was offering to dig to me means poor Jennifer is not in the ground, defense attorney is a whiny wind bag!
She just wanted to redirect the investigation. The defense is basically complaining that detectives "speculated", lol exactly that's how they investigate crimes.
amen on whiny !!!
I call bullshit on that also whoopee she wanted to help dig in some dirt like really 🙄 that doesn’t mean jack shit if she wanted to help fine Jennifer Body & lay her to rest ,
all this would have
done been over by now
#JusticeJennifer# 🙏🏻
@@ppw2393 lol and the looks they give him,it’s like he unhinged he needs a Xanax
This defence guy is dreadful, and do not tell me he is good..she lied on camera, and changed her story..he is acting as if she didn’t …does he think we are blind and deaf..
If I have to hear that fool talk about the rain again today, I’ll puke. Enough is enough. If she was honest about it raining, it was one of the few, VERY FEW THINGS, SHE WAS HONEST ABOUT.
I totally agree.......... that went ON and ON and On.... I think the jury went to sleep dury all of that... it was not of much consequence at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my gosh! This judge has so much patience with this defense attorney! He wants to argue EVERYTHING! It shows that the judge is fair and just. A woman’s freedom is on the line and he takes that seriously enough to hear every argument even if they’re petty.
He also takes the time to explain stuff.
From little bit of understanding-
sometimes an attorney will frequently raise issues and objections in the event the client doesn’t get favorable trial outcome. The attorney can somehow make the argument that their client didn’t receive a fair trial… and blah blah
It's the way the defense basically gets to testify, just a sleezy tactic when grasping at straws.
YES! THIS LAWYER IS SICKENING!!
AND THE GUY DULUS WAS A COWARD FOR NOT FACING THE TRUTH WHEN HE FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS NOT UNTOUCHABLE!!!
Lord Defense attorneys can sound so stupid by asking the exact same question the prosecution asked five minutes prior. Is it just to hear himself talk? It’s bordering ridiculous. His CLIENT is on trial because she DID intentionally lie and mislead law enforcement not simply because we all know she was having an affair with a married man with five children. His client thought ole Fotis had some $$ but she soon learned he couldn’t even afford to buy her coffee at Starbucks!!
The Defense attorney actually requested a mistrial? DENIED! Is he now desperate?
Judge Kevin Randolph is a brilliant legal scholar and the manner in which he presides over criminal trials is exemplary!
Cross examination is so painful......talks about nothing and most times is just confirming what was already testified too
So who else thinks that Dulos hiked the night before to the other house and early am drove the red pickup with the fake plates to do the killing and then met up with Traconis after she dropped her kid at school. Then they did the clean up and disposal. I would have gone on foot in the dark of night…that’s my theory anyway.
He rode a bike
Storm2peace, that's a real good theory. Very possible.
"The best thing about telling the truth is that you don't have to remember what you said"
Usually if you tell a lie you have to tell at least l0 lies to cover it up.
She slip up when she said she memorized timeline-the truth dosnt need memorization
Yes I agree, the truth is just that, the Truth! Nothing to remember nothing to memorize, just facts!
Oh my gosh….hit me in the head…I can still hear him…he LOVES to talk ….he needs to 🤐
Did he just object to his own question 😂
I love when the judge asks the defense "who was it that requested the interrogation film?", lol the lawyer was trying to back peddle and then fell uncharacteristically silent. He can't have it both ways.
Why don’t these officers have the notes with them to answer questions????
Not allowed to read testimony from notes only can look at documents to refresh your memory is the rule, something like that i think. ;)
The defense sure doesn’t want it known that Flotis’ bike was in the back of the Tacoma….. we all know why…
It will come out and you’re right: we all know why
And will also come out about the bloodied back seats that they tried to replace the Michelle helped clean. Everybody think oh Michelle's innocent they don't have evidence. Wait for it. Wait for it. It's a coming
Here we go round the mulberry bush......... Again!!!! He's exhausting.
I think the defense lawyer is nervous…can’t really prove Michelle did not know anything about Jennifers death and in hiding the evidence. I guess he’s doing his job.
He doesn’t have to prove anything. The State of Connecticut has to prove she’s guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
He is getting everything on the record in case she is convicted. It’s unfortunate that everyone has to listen to the same thing over and over, but it’s his job annoying as it is.
If the defense says "unring the bell" I'm going to pull my hair out!
The testimony he's repeating is already on the record. He has an issue saying "no questions for this witness ". Annoying AF!
That defense deter attorney is like a big baby. He needs to be quiet.
Just give us the verdict already.
What an awesome detective.
Michelle Troconis lawyer was part of legal defense team for Fotis claim to innocence of murder charges. How is this possible ?
Seriously? WOW !!!!!!!!!!
This defence attorney doesn't want anyone to know the truth and only have his side heard. Disgraceful. Annoying and pathetic. Hope after all this, she goes down for life.
Exactly And if he getting on our nerves by jumping up every Second Yano the jurors probably feel the same way Iv never seen a lawyer do that
@heather768 Yeah, seems scared the truth will come out and doesn't want it to because she's got money. This is justice for Jennifer after all so let's have the truth.
@@tracy6756 amen 🙏🏻
This judge is as cool as a cucumber. I'd be taking a chill pill daily to be able to deal with this defense attorney.
What happened in the gallery judge was yelling at them for
This defense is getting ridiculous,
This attorney just racking up billable hours imo
He's exhausting.
I have watched this trial from the beginning. I am a licensed mental health profession who has worked in the California Prison system and many other settings including domestic violence, sexual assault, trauma, etc. It is my opinion Ms. Troconis was a victim of a conman with ani-social personality disorder with narcissism. He appeared to be a "knight in shinning armor" (red flag ladies) to a vulnerable person. I have not seen any evidence from the prosecution that shows guilt on the part of Ms. Troconis. Mr. Dulos appears to have many illegal dealings and a serial cheater. Motive was to receive access to the children's trust funds so Peter could pay Paul. His house of cards would soon be tumbling down.
I’m not a therapist but I 100% agree. Narcissistic.
I’m not a therapist but I 100% agree. Narcissistic.
I’m not a therapist but I 100% agree. Narcissistic.
I’m not a therapist but I 100% agree. Narcissistic.
I’m not a therapist but I 100% agree. Narcissistic.
how long after the murder did fotis dump traconis?? did she change her testimony after that please anyone??
In one of the interviews once she knows cops are on to them she says she believes he did it to throw him under buds and look like the good mistress
He never dumped her. Her attorney and a court order stopped any communication between them. She is innocent. Listen to the three interrogations where she freely attempts to truthfully answer all questions of the pushy bullies who call themselves detectives. The timeline she drafted was on the advice of Fotis’s attorney . She is innocent. And I did not come to this conclusion until I watched the attempt to railroad her in the interrogations.
Please she a slippery liar. I have listened to all of the interviews innocent people telling the truth don’t change their story several times/she wanted Jennifer’s life and HER money and fotis convinced her of infallible plan to get all the money! GUILTY
What is with the drawn out maps?! Pitiful
People, don’t answer questions if you get pulled over for a traffic stop, you don’t have to and they don’t know you and w only use it against you fyi ;)
In yesterdays trial, when they were at Starbucks, the Prosecution played the video, was that to show Michelle lied about the sandwich, because she said, it tasted awful and she threw it in the garbage, the video showed Fotis taking bites out of it, and walking out the door with it..oops Michelle..
She said she thought it was disgusting. She did not eat it. She threw it in the trash after she got home.
I'm actually watching the current day 14 of the trial but You TUBE isn't allowing comments but I wanted to ask rhis before I forgot
WHY DOES THE DEFENSE INSIST ON ASKING QUESTIONS THAT THE WITNESS HAS ALREADY TESTIFIED TO? Did the female defense attorney need practice standing, walking & asking questions infront of an audience?
He literally makes them repeat what they already said then asks random questions like how did you step in the street "did you put your hands up" "did you use the police command " or the Supremes stop in the name of love. His questions are never relevant "oh by the way what road is 70 miles down the road and do you see a little girl on the screen that's he'd daughter
Pawvel didn't "just" consent...he was advised by his attorney, then he consented. He had NOTHING to hide, and was willing to turn over his cellphone. Fotis set him up as well, but Pawvel is more astute than Michelle, and his suspicion of Fotis came quicker.
This case could have been opened and shut in 3 weeks max. She has to regret hiring this inept “high powered, experienced lawyer”
6:37 How people appear to act? Remember Lindy Chamberlain - the hate and assumptions she received when blamed for her babys death in Alice Springs in the '80's when it was later proved to have been a dingo.
I don't see anything remotely close to the dingo case.
@@ppw2393 you are right in the respect that a dingo is not mentioned - however the overarching point I was trying to make is the amount of damage done to a defendant when accusations are made despite the evidence (exculpatory).
This defense attorney is so annoying. He goes on and on and it all amounts to nothing or is not material.
If love to know where 2:48:28 all this questioning is heading. What is he trying to establish.
I can't listen to Horn, even if i feel Michelle was manipulated. I just never know what his point is.
Horn opens up certain conversations, then objects to the reply they give, because it didn't go the way he wanted it to go. The question about how Fotis and Michelle looked at each other with stern looks, was a question Horn asked, but didn't like the reply. He beats about the bush with his line of questioning, and he loses himself in his own arguments. This doesn't help Michelle.
S-Horn and his stupid questions regarding the obvious surevailence video, doesn't help Michelle. It actually calls more attention to her comimgs and goings, no matter the time of day, road conditions, or if there was another exit out of the house she was cleaning. She was there, going back and forth, and there's nothing to dispute or anything tp prove otherwise. She was there and the surevailence cameras are accurate. What was his point? If there was a separate entrance, clearly, they didn't use it.
Horn goes on and on, and I get lost in his babbles. I am sure he's doing a great job for his client, but if I were a juror, I would be so lost with some of his arguments. He's not a good speaker.
she will be found guilty of something. She lived with him, worked with him, and was aware of his every moment.
She barely knew him. This group of prejudiced commenters are unreasonable.
@@joanc5441 She barely knew him? What a laughable comment. She lived with him, she worked with him, she accompanied him to to toss evidence around town!!! Any reasonable person would have questioned his actions that day. And, ever after, she knew Jennifer was missing, she still stood by him. She going to jail, for sure!!!
I doubt that very much she was probably the side chick in Miami for years
@@StephSilva-qw1lm at the time of Jennifer’s disappearance, she was a live-in girlfriend. Not any random chick in Miami.
I know that I’m just saying before anyone knew about her I think she was Miami side chick from ski club
This witness reminds me of Lieutenant Dan.
I think Fotis took his bicycle early AM on 5-24-19 to ride to 80 Mountain Spring rd house and put it in the bed of the Red toyota Tucoma. He then drove towards the park near Jennifer's house and parked the Red toyota where they captured it near Jennifer's abandoned Surbuban. He then took the bicycle to ride over to Jennifer's home. he waited in lay near her garage area...After he plundgered her upon her return from dropping off kids, he cleaned up all the evidence with those paper towels and water from kitchen faucet. He was by her home for over 2 hours . He dumped her and evidence in her black Suburban and drove it to the RED Toyota& transfered it to that vehicle but then he abandoned both trucks. They never found that bicycle , but his bicycle from Greece was missing. Not sure where he cut her shirt and bra in the front middle but he did want the seats on the RED Toyota replaced as he told Mr. G. ...He and Michelle went to DETAIL clean that red pick up toyota...so it seems like most of the blood transfer was in that vehicle.
Did MT say she driving suburban when it was followed out of mountain residence followed by a red pickup? So much deliberate confusion in her interviews!
@@StephSilva-qw1lm mt has alibi for that morning as checked by detectives.
This was in the afternoon when both vehicles shown leaving property- late in trial yesterday
@@StephSilva-qw1lm yes, i saw that too, but detective could not say for sure which black vehicle it was .. i am a bit confused with all 4 vehicles in this case.what was the Black Ford rapture significance in all this?
Evidence dumping vehicle was raptor
All the whispering and talking in the background is distracting.
Ii believe that's her translator.
Where’s the chat?
I thought the same
GUILTY1
I'm not impressed with judge. Last week my frustration was with the defense attorney, not so much now.
He won’t let that poor cop’s opinion go
That “poor “ cop is a liar and he was trying to railroad an innocent woman.
The defense attorney is doing exactly what he’s supposed to do. If he was representing me I’d surely want him to be objective to everything. It may seem annoying but he’s actually doing a great job and he’s a very smart attorney. And yes, I was a paralegal for almost 20 years so I’ve spent a great deal of time in courts and working with lawyers and judges.
he's toooo emotionally involved and he's appearing desperate. have you actually tried to comprehend his prolixities? i think he has his own personality disorder and I'll leave it there.
NOT GUILTY! Police are railroading this poor woman.
Stop it, Duperron