Damn that is ridiculous. I could do that in hour using bootstrap, tailwind and even just using flexbox/grid css. And here I taught i need to be a frontend master before to do some freelance job. This video gives me motivation to push me to work freelance for my sideline job😂Thanks!
Yeah, I haven't even gotten to JS yet and just learned flexbox and I was thinking wth is there so much going on in the code. Feels good to know I'm not doing bad so far :D Been at it about a month or so, 4 kids and work also, fun fun
@@ness9038 I'm past that point now lol, just went over AJAX and learning fetch next. Built a simple custom http library. I'm getting there :) Though I am eventually going to full-time Shopify store creation freelance and then theme development at some point. Going to learn Vue next as well as liquid(which is pretty simple) Hard to believe I've done all this since last comment, cheers
I think the use of bootstrap is completely justified for $7, however, I dislike the use of templates as I feel it's not really "creating" a website for someone, you're more using something someone else has made and slapping some text on it
the guy who made the gig is simply downloading a free design off the internet, changing the title and logo.. and charging $7 for it. no way any custom work was actually been done
@@quab6231 Nope, nobody will sell you a $7 gig where they pay $17 for a template - but rather download some generic half-broken, hardly ever maintained free template and use it for the $7 gig. Paid templates are probably used by the more expensive $40+ gigs, where the designer will buy a $17 template to make his life easier and just pocket the difference as profit. gigs at the price bracket of around $100 or more, are where a paid template will be used but probably also be customized to fit some specified customer needs. Finally, truly unique custom-made template will probably be a part of the much more expensive gigs, where you pay north of $300-350, but get a one off, unique design template. one that nobody else have because it is not available to purchase anywhere (custom made design, from scratch) Even on those "cheap" freelancer platforms, for anything more complex then a static html landing page, you really get what you paid for
That's most likely due to the fact that those "devs" actually have no idea how CSS actually works. I've been in a Facebook group with lots of freelance "web-devs" who pretty much skip CSS and go straight to bootstrap. I'd never consider bootstrap for a site of that scale but then again bootstrap is also most likely part of the themes they use. Fiverr is.... a weird place for web-development. It's considered "ez money" in some countries and those guys are pretty much all just throwing themselves onto Fiverr to get that ez money with themes or website builders. I mean ... a website, even if it's just a single pager for 7$? I'd make more money by collecting PET bottles on the street.
I like these videos analyzing fiverr services, but I think focusing on whether one used templates or not is probably interesting to web developers. I don't think there is a single preson (who is not a developer) who even thinks twice about this. No one ever looks at the code of a website either.
The only thing you are getting with those $5-15 "web design" gigs are somebody downloading a free wp theme off the net, copy and pasting your texts and logo and choosing one of the few out-the-box color scheme that came with that free wp theme, or worse just a generic html layout that you can't even use with wp - nothing more nothing less. If you really want quality work, it won't cost a few dollars. but I guess that for a very simple landing page that might work.
@@deleteduser5336 yes, but people on those platforms are looking for "good looking" for a "lowball price".. people are looking for a "bang for their buck" rather than quality that pays.. that is why you see a ton of complete amateurs having thousands of orders - they claim they will develop an app that is responsive, beautiful, and using all the best stacks etc.. all for like $15... that can never happen in reality unless they are willing to work for a loss ... Just using react without any fancy stuff on top of it is fine as long as your customer is aware of what he is getting... even if you are a react wizz... you will never be able to make it sensible to develop even the most basic react apps for 5-30$, the dumbest app you will probably get to do will take you at least a few hours to put together... your time as a software developer (if you are good) for 3-4 hours development time for the most basic app is already worth more than $30... when I say basic app - today people take a basic app as much more than a static one page application.. my 2 cents
do you do websites for small businesses? If so how can I get a price for an ecommerce site less than 100 products? If you don't do it can you recommend a company that does?
By no means is Bootstrap bad, in fact, I still use it on some projects. However, too often it is used in cases when it is not warranted: Bootstrap provides a lot of functionality, and if you're only using a few pieces of it, you may be better off just writing those pieces from scratch to save your website the bloat of having to load the ENTIRE Bootstrap library. Additionally, if you're just learning how to code, you are probably better off learning how to write all of your styles from scratch instead of learning with a library, because that way you won't be tied to a library and you will be less likely to use it as a crutch. Overall, it will make you a more flexible programmer if you don't tie yourself to a library from the get-go.
@@dzexii There's no true yes or no about Bootstrap, but in general: If you have a project where the design isn't important and/or you have a lot of working going on in the back-end, like a complicated JS project or whatever, Bootstrap can save time. If not, you're probably going to re-edit most of the Bootstrap elements and it would be much easier to do it by scratch. Unless you have a really large project, typing all the CSS by hand isn't going to take forever
dude, my country is suffering from dollar issue ,7 dollars has great value here i joined the gym yesterday for 4$/m, so for 7$ i would create a full website from scratch
@@zeit6401 it's not a "low rate" in all countries, 1$ = 70 rupees here in india, other countries have even more value for 1$. Just cause you feel it is a low rate doesn't mean it is a low rate for everyone
I'm a beginner in front-end, but I delivered much more than these guys delivered, what counts is the quality of their service regardless of the value. They got it wrong in basic concepts of semantics and images
I'm definitely underselling myself here but I don't get client much unfortunately. I am creating a whole booking website with stripe payment integrations, google maps API integration for maps places and autocomplete. Add database to manage booking data. All for a price of $150.🤣
I work on fiverr and i hate it , if i have higher rates no one hieres you because you dont have any reviews and if you have lower rates people think your scam
I tried fiverr and was sorely disappointed. None of the responses were in fluent English and most of them were full of bizarre boilerplate. "I AM JOB!"
The first technique for not getting disappointed on those freelancing platforms is avoid those $5-7 gigs, which will disappoint for sure, if you are getting any thing emailed to you at all... cheap is expensive, even on those platforms, I have found out that a generic web site that should be responsive and with a half-decent design that will be maintainable would never cost less than $100, even on fivver - you get what you paid for, at the end
i am learning web development and have completed the front end development and i thought with the knowledge i have no one would hire me but watching this really makes me laugh i can make a website x999 better then this and it would be from scratch coz i use atom i dont use a single software or a website builder now i think i should try and find a other website then fiverr to do freelance work
Given the use of templates, no image optimization and so on, I'd say closer to 10 minutes of work. There is literally nothing custom about those sites. It's just copy pasting images/text into the already existing container, apart from that one guy who closed is twice by accident... but that didn't take him 50 minutes. And I mean... 7$ for 10 minutes? That's 42$ per hour. Not a bad deal... for the seller.
Damn that is ridiculous. I could do that in hour using bootstrap, tailwind and even just using flexbox/grid css. And here I taught i need to be a frontend master before to do some freelance job. This video gives me motivation to push me to work freelance for my sideline job😂Thanks!
Don't undersell yourself man!
Yeah, I haven't even gotten to JS yet and just learned flexbox and I was thinking wth is there so much going on in the code. Feels good to know I'm not doing bad so far :D
Been at it about a month or so, 4 kids and work also, fun fun
@@Loki_Dokie well you won’t do much with JS if you intend to only stick to front end pages without any framework/complexe features and interactivity
@@ness9038 I'm past that point now lol, just went over AJAX and learning fetch next. Built a simple custom http library. I'm getting there :) Though I am eventually going to full-time Shopify store creation freelance and then theme development at some point.
Going to learn Vue next as well as liquid(which is pretty simple)
Hard to believe I've done all this since last comment, cheers
Crazy I was selling myself short as well and I knew this 1 year ago but just seen this video now
I laughed so hard at the “Copyright... I would expect my name to be spelled correctly” 🤣
To be fair, he fixed the typo in "copyright" from the design draft.
Did they send you their websites in static(html/css) format or with python code to run on server?
I think the use of bootstrap is completely justified for $7, however, I dislike the use of templates as I feel it's not really "creating" a website for someone, you're more using something someone else has made and slapping some text on it
I pretty much expected everyone to use templates given how little I was paying them. At these price points, I don't blame anybody for using templates.
the guy who made the gig is simply downloading a free design off the internet, changing the title and logo.. and charging $7 for it. no way any custom work was actually been done
But at the same time you’re paying $7 for a template that cost $17, so I guess it’s a win win for both in a way 🤷🏽♂️
@@quab6231 Nope, nobody will sell you a $7 gig where they pay $17 for a template - but rather download some generic half-broken, hardly ever maintained free template and use it for the $7 gig.
Paid templates are probably used by the more expensive $40+ gigs, where the designer will buy a $17 template to make his life easier and just pocket the difference as profit.
gigs at the price bracket of around $100 or more, are where a paid template will be used but probably also be customized to fit some specified customer needs.
Finally, truly unique custom-made template will probably be a part of the much more expensive gigs, where you pay north of $300-350, but get a one off, unique design template. one that nobody else have because it is not available to purchase anywhere (custom made design, from scratch)
Even on those "cheap" freelancer platforms, for anything more complex then a static html landing page, you really get what you paid for
bootstrap really? i can literally write these from scratch just using flexbox, media queries, etc.
ikr, the only thing i would use bootstrap for is maybe the dropdown menus
and idk why thy would need a theme for that its really simple
That's most likely due to the fact that those "devs" actually have no idea how CSS actually works. I've been in a Facebook group with lots of freelance "web-devs" who pretty much skip CSS and go straight to bootstrap.
I'd never consider bootstrap for a site of that scale but then again bootstrap is also most likely part of the themes they use.
Fiverr is.... a weird place for web-development. It's considered "ez money" in some countries and those guys are pretty much all just throwing themselves onto Fiverr to get that ez money with themes or website builders.
I mean ... a website, even if it's just a single pager for 7$? I'd make more money by collecting PET bottles on the street.
@@Draghful whats wrong with using bootstrap?
@@crimsonwolf4490 Nothing is wrong with using bootstrap. But using bootstrap without having any idea how CSS works is just a bad idea.
i hired a dude on upwork to do a shopify website for 150 dollars and this man copied pasted the same shit from another website lmao
I like these videos analyzing fiverr services, but I think focusing on whether one used templates or not is probably interesting to web developers.
I don't think there is a single preson (who is not a developer) who even thinks twice about this. No one ever looks at the code of a website either.
The only thing you are getting with those $5-15 "web design" gigs are somebody downloading a free wp theme off the net, copy and pasting your texts and logo and choosing one of the few out-the-box color scheme that came with that free wp theme, or worse just a generic html layout that you can't even use with wp - nothing more nothing less.
If you really want quality work, it won't cost a few dollars. but I guess that for a very simple landing page that might work.
Haha I'm aware
i was actually planning on setting up fiverr gigs for 5 dollars to 30 dollars and not using themes or anything just react
@@deleteduser5336 yes, but people on those platforms are looking for "good looking" for a "lowball price".. people are looking for a "bang for their buck" rather than quality that pays.. that is why you see a ton of complete amateurs having thousands of orders - they claim they will develop an app that is responsive, beautiful, and using all the best stacks etc.. all for like $15... that can never happen in reality unless they are willing to work for a loss ...
Just using react without any fancy stuff on top of it is fine as long as your customer is aware of what he is getting... even if you are a react wizz... you will never be able to make it sensible to develop even the most basic react apps for 5-30$, the dumbest app you will probably get to do will take you at least a few hours to put together... your time as a software developer (if you are good) for 3-4 hours development time for the most basic app is already worth more than $30...
when I say basic app - today people take a basic app as much more than a static one page application.. my 2 cents
@@davideyt1242 ok, I’m alright. I have a few months of experience
Is there anything wrong with a web DEVELOPER using a DESIGN template though??..
All 3 websites gives a feel like.
Hey can I copy your homework?
Yeah sure, just change it a lil bit!
Fine no problem.
Jacob Clark - I'm a bird. Bit fancy Kingfisher, but still a bird. Welcome.
"good shit isn't free and free shit isn't good" You get what you pay for.
For something like this it takes longer to delete the code from the theme than writing it from scratch lol
for 7 freaking dollars it's good that you've gotten a template to begin with lol
H what should we least charge for converting one page simple psd to website
the 7 dollar guy probably uses the same code for every cheap commision
do you do websites for small businesses? If so how can I get a price for an ecommerce site less than 100 products? If you don't do it can you recommend a company that does?
So Is boostrap bad or something to use as web developer i am still learning
By no means is Bootstrap bad, in fact, I still use it on some projects. However, too often it is used in cases when it is not warranted: Bootstrap provides a lot of functionality, and if you're only using a few pieces of it, you may be better off just writing those pieces from scratch to save your website the bloat of having to load the ENTIRE Bootstrap library. Additionally, if you're just learning how to code, you are probably better off learning how to write all of your styles from scratch instead of learning with a library, because that way you won't be tied to a library and you will be less likely to use it as a crutch. Overall, it will make you a more flexible programmer if you don't tie yourself to a library from the get-go.
@@GeekLaunch i learned html css first then a little of bootstrap soon will start Java script
@@dzexii There's no true yes or no about Bootstrap, but in general: If you have a project where the design isn't important and/or you have a lot of working going on in the back-end, like a complicated JS project or whatever, Bootstrap can save time. If not, you're probably going to re-edit most of the Bootstrap elements and it would be much easier to do it by scratch. Unless you have a really large project, typing all the CSS by hand isn't going to take forever
Bootstrap is so misunderstood
a literal webite builder template
well tbh for 7 dollar you should never get a CSS
ikr
dude, my country is suffering from dollar issue ,7 dollars has great value here
i joined the gym yesterday for 4$/m,
so for 7$ i would create a full website from scratch
@@thechingochingo9956 and that's the issue mate, accepting jobs at low rate
@@zeit6401 it's not a "low rate" in all countries, 1$ = 70 rupees here in india, other countries have even more value for 1$. Just cause you feel it is a low rate doesn't mean it is a low rate for everyone
@@neeravkapuganti1183 it is
Bruh the first guy didnt needed to buy or get a template its a basic portfolio website. (not boasting btw)
Are they just sending you files?
Can you name the developer tool you used 😀
I'm a beginner in front-end, but I delivered much more than these guys delivered, what counts is the quality of their service regardless of the value. They got it wrong in basic concepts of semantics and images
nice little channel you have here. Enjoyed the content.
Use Live Server on VS Code
do they just give you straight code? Like three files (.css .js and .HTML) no any type of link to a website? The client just hosts on their own?
That's how I did it. I just paid for the files, not for hosting.
The first site would take me 2hr tops bro. No need themes. It’s simple and easy. I’ve done way more complex website under 24hrs
yeah but with taxes that guy only made 4 dollars with that gig
This is like few hours of work. Perhaps i should consider start making these😅
"Jacog" on Indonesia language means dog btw hahaha. Nice content btw
Oh no it's worse than I thought
3rd one 5 /10 is litter bit good by the way
enough
I'm definitely underselling myself here but I don't get client much unfortunately. I am creating a whole booking website with stripe payment integrations, google maps API integration for maps places and autocomplete. Add database to manage booking data. All for a price of $150.🤣
It's because of people like you that the web development market has become such a hell. You beggars.
I work on fiverr and i hate it , if i have higher rates no one hieres you because you dont have any reviews and if you have lower rates people think your scam
Bootstrap : why i m here
I tried fiverr and was sorely disappointed. None of the responses were in fluent English and most of them were full of bizarre boilerplate. "I AM JOB!"
I'm sorry! That's unfortunate
The first technique for not getting disappointed on those freelancing platforms is avoid those $5-7 gigs, which will disappoint for sure, if you are getting any thing emailed to you at all... cheap is expensive, even on those platforms, I have found out that a generic web site that should be responsive and with a half-decent design that will be maintainable would never cost less than $100, even on fivver - you get what you paid for, at the end
@6:30 'paid of his investment'
yea right, If only it's not pirated.
lmao
how i start to code?
Learn by doing
I am able do all these three websites in a day + a better one, it's just simple flexbox and a bit of JS
I am going to used the last developer. Sound like he did a better job than the others. What do you think?
Try me. I can do better
@@wadaskid you’re like 9 years old
i am learning web development and have completed the front end development and i thought with the knowledge i have no one would hire me but watching this really makes me laugh i can make a website x999 better then this and it would be from scratch coz i use atom i dont use a single software or a website builder now i think i should try and find a other website then fiverr to do freelance work
How are you doing mate?
Yes how are you doing??
I am thinking i would have done better than this but still 0 orders for me 😒
your voice is very relaxing
Damn I thought I was really bad
All these pages are just 1 hours of work
Given the use of templates, no image optimization and so on, I'd say closer to 10 minutes of work. There is literally nothing custom about those sites. It's just copy pasting images/text into the already existing container, apart from that one guy who closed is twice by accident... but that didn't take him 50 minutes.
And I mean... 7$ for 10 minutes? That's 42$ per hour. Not a bad deal... for the seller.
@@Draghful i will say 5 mins... and less
Icons8 looking at this like 👹
Literally many are scams in fiverr
I think you might be right 🤔
@@GeekLaunch yea gave 100 dollar work and it was just copied from GitHub with very minor change.
It's called pull stack development l :)
What happened to your voice?
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meh i can do better than this with React
Lol for $32 I can give you a lot better hand written code
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he showed us 3 websites so had he paid all of the developers ????
i can make it way better