Torry Holt had 6 1300 yard seasons in a row, leading the league in receiving for two of those years, then had two more 1200 yard seasons. He should have been a first or second ballot hall of famer. Wasn't flashy, didn't draw attention to himself, just produced with the likes of Moss, Harrison, and TO. And for most of his career, he didn't have prime Warner. He had Warner during his lows, Bulger, and Fitzpatrick.
Used to play basketball at the gym in Atlanta with Willie Anderson. Even played with him the year he was in the pro bowl. All that time I had no idea who he was. Just thought he was a tall overweight guy. He didn't move much on the court, but he was a really nice guy. Had no idea who he was. Just at the local LA Fitness.
Julius Peppers, IMO, never got the respect he deserved. The man was not just a sack artist, but he also played the run very well. His rookie season was in '02, he had 12 sacks. Fast forward 15 years and he notched 11 sacks. That in itself is remarkable.
Having the first ballot Hall of Famer’s in their own wing sounds good at first. What about those that didn’t get in on the first try and clearly should’ve. Terrell Owens for example (which was BS).
Ricky Watters should've stayed in San Francisco, and I say that as an Eagles fan. Would've been on more notable teams, and maybe would've helped them get farther, which would've made a better case than his stats did
Eddie George was a multiple time pro bowler until his chronic toe injury ended his ability to perform. MLB put Kirby Puckett in the hall, knowing his loss of vision ended his career early. You can put Eddie in based on the trajectory his career was going.
He's literally the best to ever do it. I think he obviously belongs in the HOF. There shouldn't be a bunch of special teamers necessarily, but if you're the best, then you should be in.
@@thevoxdeus I don't have strong feelings about him not getting in but if you watched during that era it seemed everyone on the bears were good returners. RW McQuarters was a great returner for them around that time as well. And Hester was great but only had 19 return tds, is 19 tds enough to get you into the Hall of Fame?
@@thevoxdeus it also depends how you define "best to ever do it". Are you factoring both kick and punt returns? Are you factoring yards, tds, both? He's the best punt returner ever but plenty of guys were better kick returners. And there are a few guys who have more combined return yards than him. He is the leader in combined return tds but not overwhelmingly so that it would guarantee him a spot in the HOF but leave out the other greats like Dante Hall
Adrian Peterson when he goes in as a 1st Ballot hall of famer will be the last RB to go in for a very long time. The only veteran RB that's playing today and trending in the HOF direction is the 49ers McCaffrey... Btw, if Calvin Johnson was a lock to get inducted into the Hall, then Tory Holt should be too. I would argue Holt had more of a impact on the game then Calvin ever did
@@timfleming3083Who cares if really great (not just good) are inducted. You have a league that’s been around 100+ years & 32 teams. You have more and more players having played each year. Just because Wrs don’t become better than Jerry Rice doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be recognized and celebrated. I just think something to acknowledge a first ballot guy would be a neat addition
Torry Holt is the most likely WR to get in because he's waited the longest. That's not meant to say Holt is or isn't the best WR eligible just saying how the process tends to work.
It's no end of amusement for me that the Giants won the SB the first year after Barber retired. A close second was when he tried to come out of retirement in 2011 and was greeted by the sounds of crickets chirping from every team in the NFL. Didn't he leave his wife for his assistant, when his wife was pregnant with twins?
Tiki Barber constantly critisized Eli Manning in the media during his last few years and the Giants stunk even though Barber played well. The year after Barber retired, the Giants beat the undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl. IMO, Tiki Barber shouldn't be in the Giants HoF not to mention the NFL Hof. If somone asks you does a player belong in the Hof and you have to think about it, the answer is no.
Dan Marino also broke dozens of records - but did have a shit postseason record. If Donovan McNabb had more seasons with competent receivers, he'd be in.@@Kingdizzleltdinc615
Three seasons of 2000+ yards from scrimmage and nearly a fourth. That is pretty darn impressive. Name a running back who has accomplished this and has 15000 yards from scrimmage and is not in the Hall of Fame. You can't.
If Terrel Davis is in the HOF.....Tiki should be too. I question if either belong there?..... but since T.D. is to target, Tiki was better in his career.
If either belong there? Terrell Davis 2,000 yard season 1 of only 8 (none of the other 7 is named Tiki) , Superbowl champion - twice, Superbowl MVP. He did all this in his first four years and he didn't even reach his prime yet. In fact he didn't even have a prime. If he never blow out his knee he would have had an even greater career statistical wise. Remember Terrell only played seven seasons (the first four he was healthy before his injury) and had to retire because of his knee. Tiki got to play a decade and most of those years he was healthy. Terrell was the main focal point of his teams success during those Superbowl years. Elway was at the end of his career. The burden was on Terrell shoulders but stepped up and carried his team to two Lombardi trophies. Tiki didn't dominate his Superbowl opportunity. Stats aren't everything.
I’m a giants fan 😮😢and tiki barber is not hall of fame material 😮😢, he was a very poisonous character along with Jeremy Shockley , tiki retired and Shockley got hurt , the best thing that happen to the giants and Eli manning 😮😢
LOL, Giants fans like yourself forget to realize just how bad Eli Manning was in the early years. Eli had 35 interceptions over the last two years of Tiki's career - that's why the team didn't have postseason success.
@@Chalk89 i disagree tiki retired replace by Bradshaw and Brandon jakobs and shocker got hurt Kevin boss took over , defense came on strong 💪 and carried them but they scored points that needed to be scored
@@MalevolentBite Shockeywas a good player but his bone head tantrums cost alots of good play with negative yards , I know that him getting hurt during the Super Bowl season was a blessing to the team , his poison personality made the team better
@martinalarcon3108 Smash mouth. You gotta remember. Tiki and Shocky was bold figures and Eli was straight trash so yea it was a good thing that they left or got injured. As a Cowboys fan. I always enjoyed shocky maybe more so because I was a big Miami Hurricanes fan and that 01 Hurricane team were beast. I think Tiki should get in before Marshawn lynch. Unless its a popularity contest.
No he gave up middle of the season hell NO , he might have a good career but when you quit your teammates and right after bashing them that’s the type of player we want in the HALL????????? Ricky Watters it’s a better player with a better career but most of those guys no RINGS, Hall should be reserved for great accomplishments not just a great name with a good career, Jared Allen it’s no game changer , but Dwight freeney was better , the PED should be automatic NO
People like you are silly. He gave up...but logged over 1600 yards rushing, 2000 APY in his final season. Many forget just how lackluster Eli Manning was in the beginning and how Tom Coughlin was nearly fired before the two Super Bowl rings. Tiki had every right to be critical of Manning, Coughlin. Manning had just 54 touchdowns, 44 interceptions and a completion percentage of 54 when Tiki retired. If Tiki didn't retire, Manning probably would have never matured, realized his potential.
Torry Holt had 6 1300 yard seasons in a row, leading the league in receiving for two of those years, then had two more 1200 yard seasons. He should have been a first or second ballot hall of famer. Wasn't flashy, didn't draw attention to himself, just produced with the likes of Moss, Harrison, and TO. And for most of his career, he didn't have prime Warner. He had Warner during his lows, Bulger, and Fitzpatrick.
It's a crime that 49ers legend Roger Craig is NOT in the HOF!!
@@theinfiniterush Nope. He's not in..
Tiki Barber is like a 5% better version of Matt Forte. Tiki belongs in the Hall of Very Successful Careers, but not in the HOF.
He was not better than Curtis Martin and both play in the same City and Era.He had major fumble problems through out his career
Hall of Very Good would be fair I’d say.
Used to play basketball at the gym in Atlanta with Willie Anderson. Even played with him the year he was in the pro bowl. All that time I had no idea who he was. Just thought he was a tall overweight guy. He didn't move much on the court, but he was a really nice guy. Had no idea who he was. Just at the local LA Fitness.
julius peppers and steve smith should go in.
Julius Peppers, IMO, never got the respect he deserved. The man was not just a sack artist, but he also played the run very well. His rookie season was in '02, he had 12 sacks. Fast forward 15 years and he notched 11 sacks. That in itself is remarkable.
Having the first ballot Hall of Famer’s in their own wing sounds good at first. What about those that didn’t get in on the first try and clearly should’ve. Terrell Owens for example (which was BS).
I wonder wkat Deion Sanders is going to say when Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees get inducted into the Hall of Fame
Ricky Watters should've stayed in San Francisco, and I say that as an Eagles fan. Would've been on more notable teams, and maybe would've helped them get farther, which would've made a better case than his stats did
They didn’t mention the only Sure Fire, No Brainer 1st ballot guy, Julius Peppers
Locks: Jared Allen, Dwight Freeney, Antonio Gates, Andre Johnson, Devin Hester, Julius Peppers
Eddie George was a multiple time pro bowler until his chronic toe injury ended his ability to perform. MLB put Kirby Puckett in the hall, knowing his loss of vision ended his career early. You can put Eddie in based on the trajectory his career was going.
Eddie George is often knocked down nowadays because of rushing efficiency, but he was pretty darn good looking back at it
I miss the era of the kick return but I don't think Devin Hester deserves to get in
He's literally the best to ever do it. I think he obviously belongs in the HOF. There shouldn't be a bunch of special teamers necessarily, but if you're the best, then you should be in.
@@thevoxdeus I don't have strong feelings about him not getting in but if you watched during that era it seemed everyone on the bears were good returners. RW McQuarters was a great returner for them around that time as well. And Hester was great but only had 19 return tds, is 19 tds enough to get you into the Hall of Fame?
@@thevoxdeus it also depends how you define "best to ever do it". Are you factoring both kick and punt returns? Are you factoring yards, tds, both? He's the best punt returner ever but plenty of guys were better kick returners. And there are a few guys who have more combined return yards than him. He is the leader in combined return tds but not overwhelmingly so that it would guarantee him a spot in the HOF but leave out the other greats like Dante Hall
The whole list needs to be in
Not Eric Allen
If Tiki Barber played in Atlanta, no one would think he’s a hall of famer.
Not like he had five straight years of 1200 or more rushing yards including final three being 1500, 1800 and 1600 yards.
Adrian Peterson when he goes in as a 1st Ballot hall of famer will be the last RB to go in for a very long time. The only veteran RB that's playing today and trending in the HOF direction is the 49ers McCaffrey...
Btw, if Calvin Johnson was a lock to get inducted into the Hall, then Tory Holt should be too. I would argue Holt had more of a impact on the game then Calvin ever did
That last sentence is ridiculous. And derrick henry is definitely making the hall. Best RB since peterson
???? Dude I can’t even fathom that last sentence.
@donsolos ... D.Henry is in the Hall of Very Good. He will get into the Pro HOF if he buys a ticket at the gate
@Magiik-z ... I'm MGK, and your Jack Harlow
@@cjokerp???? MGK is trash so that makes sense. I never seen Tory holt get doubled teamed and still beat its so yeah he’s not a lock to get in
so before we even begin to speak Tiki's name can you put Roger Craig in the darn hall of fame already?
The hall of fame keeps getting diluted by players who were really good but not legendary. Prime is right, there should be an "upper room" in the hall.
It's really become watered down. Only maybe 2 guys a year should go in.
@@timfleming3083Who cares if really great (not just good) are inducted. You have a league that’s been around 100+ years & 32 teams. You have more and more players having played each year. Just because Wrs don’t become better than Jerry Rice doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be recognized and celebrated. I just think something to acknowledge a first ballot guy would be a neat addition
Hall of undrafted HOFers this time! James Harrison, Gates, fletcher. That’s how you make a separation in this class
Torry Holt is the most likely WR to get in because he's waited the longest. That's not meant to say Holt is or isn't the best WR eligible just saying how the process tends to work.
My opinion Gates and Wilfork
Antonio Gates, definitely not watered down
Hester for sure you won't see his work of art again
If you going by who did you have to gameplan for,Eddie George most definitely should get in
It's no end of amusement for me that the Giants won the SB the first year after Barber retired. A close second was when he tried to come out of retirement in 2011 and was greeted by the sounds of crickets chirping from every team in the NFL. Didn't he leave his wife for his assistant, when his wife was pregnant with twins?
If Tiki keeps talking shit about running backs that are way more talented than he ever was he gunna make a lot of people think twice about it.
keep 1st ballot as undisclosed adds to nfl lore and geekiness
3 absolute locks in this list. Jared Allen, Gates, and Freeney. Boldin, Wilfork, and Mathis are so close behind to be almost locks.
The issue with Tiki is his fumbles and those led to some harsh feelings by fans.
Tiki Barber constantly critisized Eli Manning in the media during his last few years and the Giants stunk even though Barber played well. The year after Barber retired, the Giants beat the undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl. IMO, Tiki Barber shouldn't be in the Giants HoF not to mention the NFL Hof. If somone asks you does a player belong in the Hof and you have to think about it, the answer is no.
Yeah you bugging I ll put McNabb in before him
McNabb most definitely deserves to be in the HOF
McNabb is sort of the equivalent of Dan Marino. Making only one Super Bowl and not winning it. He’s not hall of fame material.
@@Mrcharles. but Marino is in the HOF right?
Dan Marino also broke dozens of records - but did have a shit postseason record. If Donovan McNabb had more seasons with competent receivers, he'd be in.@@Kingdizzleltdinc615
Three seasons of 2000+ yards from scrimmage and nearly a fourth. That is pretty darn impressive. Name a running back who has accomplished this and has 15000 yards from scrimmage and is not in the Hall of Fame. You can't.
George seifert should be in the HOF
Hall of Very Good I would argue personally
First ballot HOF, put a star on their bust.
Why would Barber be ahead of Frank Gore, Adrian Peterson, Fred Taylor, Lesean McCoy
He should have to go in with Eli Manning
If you have to question or debate if someone’s a hall of famer, there not a hall of famer…
Tiki isn't liked by the fans and definetly not liked by the media - thats probably why he won't get in.
If Terrel Davis is in the HOF.....Tiki should be too. I question if either belong there?..... but since T.D. is to target, Tiki was better in his career.
If either belong there? Terrell Davis 2,000 yard season 1 of only 8 (none of the other 7 is named Tiki) , Superbowl champion - twice, Superbowl MVP. He did all this in his first four years and he didn't even reach his prime yet. In fact he didn't even have a prime. If he never blow out his knee he would have had an even greater career statistical wise. Remember Terrell only played seven seasons (the first four he was healthy before his injury) and had to retire because of his knee. Tiki got to play a decade and most of those years he was healthy. Terrell was the main focal point of his teams success during those Superbowl years. Elway was at the end of his career. The burden was on Terrell shoulders but stepped up and carried his team to two Lombardi trophies. Tiki didn't dominate his Superbowl opportunity. Stats aren't everything.
Devin Hester
I’m a giants fan 😮😢and tiki barber is not hall of fame material 😮😢, he was a very poisonous character along with Jeremy Shockley , tiki retired and Shockley got hurt , the best thing that happen to the giants and Eli manning 😮😢
LOL, Giants fans like yourself forget to realize just how bad Eli Manning was in the early years. Eli had 35 interceptions over the last two years of Tiki's career - that's why the team didn't have postseason success.
@@Chalk89 i disagree tiki retired replace by Bradshaw and Brandon jakobs and shocker got hurt Kevin boss took over , defense came on strong 💪 and carried them but they scored points that needed to be scored
Shockey was the man and i am a Cowboys fan. GO HURRICANES.
@@MalevolentBite Shockeywas a good player but his bone head tantrums cost alots of good play with negative yards , I know that him getting hurt during the Super Bowl season was a blessing to the team , his poison personality made the team better
@martinalarcon3108 Smash mouth. You gotta remember. Tiki and Shocky was bold figures and Eli was straight trash so yea it was a good thing that they left or got injured. As a Cowboys fan. I always enjoyed shocky maybe more so because I was a big Miami Hurricanes fan and that 01 Hurricane team were beast. I think Tiki should get in before Marshawn lynch. Unless its a popularity contest.
In Giant lore, Tiki Barber
is not better than, Ahmad Bradshaw, Joe Morris, and the Michigan
standout, by way of Cleveland, Ron Johnson.
If he played for another 2-3 seasons and had 1000 yards rushing in each of them, I'd be okay with him in the hall, but as is, I'd vote "no".
It's cause the league sucks anymore. Those are all Great players. Nobody stand out. And today there's not even a Bonefied MVP.
Just change the name to The Hall of Really Good and be done with it.
Giants fan - no way
Overlooked at times, but I say not quite
Tiki Barber wouldn't make my HOF
Shaun Alexander > Tiki Barber
HAIL TO DA NAW!!! 😡
Tiki is on the bubble and not well liked
No.
Nope
Sad Devin Hester died a day after this discussion
He’s still alive as of this comment
Delete this.
No he gave up middle of the season hell NO , he might have a good career but when you quit your teammates and right after bashing them that’s the type of player we want in the HALL????????? Ricky Watters it’s a better player with a better career but most of those guys no RINGS, Hall should be reserved for great accomplishments not just a great name with a good career, Jared Allen it’s no game changer , but Dwight freeney was better , the PED should be automatic NO
People like you are silly. He gave up...but logged over 1600 yards rushing, 2000 APY in his final season. Many forget just how lackluster Eli Manning was in the beginning and how Tom Coughlin was nearly fired before the two Super Bowl rings. Tiki had every right to be critical of Manning, Coughlin. Manning had just 54 touchdowns, 44 interceptions and a completion percentage of 54 when Tiki retired. If Tiki didn't retire, Manning probably would have never matured, realized his potential.