That's what it often comes to. It's pathetic like this young ignorant lady. And she's been raised by the schools to believe this. Voucher's now for private schools.
She did start off that she doesn't want to debate about it, because at the end, shows that she doesn't know what she is talking about or isn't willing to understand the opposite side. Aka, someone that is closed minded.
@@yl6128to be fair, listening and debating are different. If she was genuine, she may have wanted to hear another view and go and process that, and use another view to go and do her own research without getting into a heated debate. Sometimes I don't want to debate someone because I don't know enough, but I'd like to hear a new perspective. Clearly, that wasn't her intention though lol
College campuses have become day care camps. None of these children can ask a single question without staring into their phones. If this topic was important to them, they wouldn't need a cheat sheet.
if youve been to a thing like this, usually questions are prompted on the fly so you write them down in your notes app or on paper to make sure you ask what you wanna ask correctly. most people dont have the experience of public speaking enough to ask a question perfectly just from your mind in front of a whole lot of people. it makes sense theyre staring at their phone to read it. i completely agree with Ben and you though. theyre morons
A straw man fallacy is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.
@@noggstaj please explain what idea or opinion I gave or the blatent disregard for "opposing" information that shows this? She couldn't accept or listen to an opposing viewpoint so she got emotional and lashed out. Similarly to how you read a quote and assumed something about me to then use your emotions to reply in a manner to put me in a specific group so you can discard anything I say instead of asking me for more information. Your response is closer to an "echo chamber" than my quote
Honestly it’s very telling how retarded you are by saying she “ only shouts insults” when it’s hardly an insult let alone not the “only” thing she stated. Lol
@@Spez_arts he’s smarter than the people he debates and losing an argument is really difficult when you are fundamentally right, never seen him or anyone representing his views lose an argument 🤷
Instead of saying, " I don't want to argue with you", she should have said, "I can't argue with you"!!! At least should have been truthful. She DEFINITELY wants to argue with him!!!! She just can't!!!
The chess game pigeon analogy applies here Debating a leftist is like playing chess with a pigeon. They knock over all the pieces and strut around the board shitting on it and claiming they won. In this case everyone else in the auditorium believes she won too.
@@joanofarc4103 Regarding SEX, which is considered to be an extremely important part of life by the overwhelming majority of adult humans: sexual intercourse refers to the introduction of a man’s penis into a woman’s vagina. Other forms of sexual gratification are termed “foreplay”, and all forms of foreplay are not only acceptable within marriage, but encouraged. Although sex can be a wonderful thing, it is a private matter, and has no place in public forums, apart from a health-warning perspective. Sexual intercourse and foreplay is lawful strictly within MARRIAGE, as defined in the previous chapter, and has three main purposes: most obviously for having children; as a form of recreation (especially for couples who are unable to afford to partake in costly forms of pleasurable hobbies, due to poverty); and for bringing the couple (or in the case of polygamous marriages, however many are present) closer together. Whenever any one of the procreative, recreative, or unitive aspects of sex is omitted, sex becomes a selfish, sinful act.
She forgot she wasnt in the comfort of hiding behind her phone screen and typing bs at someone and then running away ignoring the reply notifications thinking she won
@wall0184 Super sad, really. I was hoping all of gen Z was going to redeem sanity but what a disappointment. The toddler saying "straw man" meant white man. 🙄
Yes, Parroting Leftist newly TWISTED definitions, they know little about. Play 30 seconds of Human Fetuses FLEEING pain of being Aborted, ie. killed, murdered. Of course he she they them whatever pronoun does not want to argue prochoice, because that false accuser KNOWS Human Fetuses ARE being murdered via Abortion. And that person who looks more feminine than not strikes me as a person wanting to marry her dream Lover, have Human Babies together and enjoy raising them together as a happy family. SMART answer, NO argument with Ben who DOES know alot more FACTS around Abortion.
That’s exactly what happened. She heard the term used and decided to throw it out there without knowing what it actually means. Just the current buzzword
I think she really just wanted to use the term lol. She didn't actually want to listen or care about what Ben was saying, but give her question and throw in a new term she learned recently 🙃. And then run away lol.
Abortion should not be a political issue. I’m a conservative and I say leave it alone. Let it be a decision between a woman and her conscience. Period.
Yes, politics and religion should not interfere with a woman's and her family's decisions. The same applies to what happens between a husband and wife in the bedroom - those choices are theirs to make. There are serious issues when genetic tests reveal that unborn babies might have life-threatening defects, which could also impact the mother’s health. Additionally, if a baby is born with severe brain defects (Anencephaly, Lissencephaly - Google these please), the consequences are profound.
" _Go girl, ask him a question!_ " " _Nooo! he will destroy me._ " " _No, he won't. He is stupid_ " " _Ok, but what if he does?_ " " _Just shout strawman fallacy and run away_ " " _What's strawman fallacy?_ " " _Who cares?_ "
For anyone who actually cares, the idea of the strawman is you're creating people who don't exist to back up your arguments. Thing is, women being happily married with kids exist, like, everywhere.
Who cares, lol debaters use it all the time! Might as well throw in gaslighting while you at it. Oh wait, gaslighting is when I said “why do you want control over womens’s bodies” can’t use that one. Doh!
@@dextersynesterformerlysorb5334 technically, it’s to create a fake argument where u can make it easier to win it. But the actual points of contention are completely ignored
No matter what his comeback was, she was already prepared to say that “strawman fallacy” in the end even though it was her first time using it in a sentence
👍🙂💯 And it's irrelevant to what Ben said. Truth, especially where the vulnerability of the unborn is concerned, is anathema, completely toxic to Woke Folk zombies.
@@angelam4795 A straw man fallacy is a fallacy that distorts someones claim into the other person's benefit. For example, if I say that I like cats and someone makes it seem like I hate dogs that's a straw man fallacy. Just some friendly information.
Let’s be real. Conservatives are pro-born, not pro-life. They don’t give 2 fucks what happens to that life after it’s born. Whether it be from rape, or the child goes to a foster home. They don’t care.
Hahaha 🤣😂 duhhhhhh I'm going to use a buzzword hheeEEEeeeeee even though it doesn't make sense and I'm going to run away so I don't have to back myself up. I'm a bIg girl todaaasAaaAyy. 🤪🥳👏👏😁
what data was brought in for this debate? I'd like to know what data backs married women with children being happier than others, especially when I know happy and unhappy people with kids. I don't see any correlation or causation, and know facts weren't presented to support that claim.
Well he just ignored the question about the woman's rights and just day the Embryo would die as if that would make that the woman doesn't has human rights anymore. So I would not consider an Embryo in the beginning of a pregnancy a person, as I don't think that an egg is a chicken. But okay, people maybe have a different definition on that. But even then a pregnancy is not without risk the maternal mortality ration per 100k is 24 in the USA, 7 in Sweden and UK, 4 in Germany and 2 in Australia (2020). So just looking on the Embryo isn't enough. Like in an accident where you don't have to risk your own life to safe someone else, the question here is as well, what are the rights of the women and what are the rights of the Embryo and why are which one higher than the other? He doesn't explain that at all. He just looks on the Embryo, ignoring the mother's risks and rights.
She didnt handle it well . She allowed emotion to take over that said I didn't like his response either.. Anti abortion side tend to take this issue as always black and white with little room for movement .. Sapiros notion that the vast majority of women happily raise their children is not a good enough answer for women who are victims of incest or rape or who might have some other medical issue . What gives him the right to interfere in a process that should remain between a woman and her doctor
@@mikedon5205 "What gives him the right to interfere in a process that should remain between a woman and her doctor" But you are begging the question. The claim that abortion should remain between a woman and her doctor is exactly what you are trying to convince us to believe. You can't just take it as premise. Further, when you make such a claim, you show that you are insincere about "women who are victims." If you are sincere about victimized women, you are treating it as an extenuating circumstance against an otherwise general prohibition. You see. I am anti-abortion. I am perfectly happy to consider nuance. But it had better be honest instead of the fox's nose under the tent.
Rhetoric class and while she was wrong, it wasn’t a straw man fallacy unless that part was removed in one of the cuts made for the short, most of the people in the world today would benefit immeasurably from that class
Right! Because she didn't want to argue. She just wanted to Insult and run off like the in coward she is. Meanwhile her in friends probably congratulate her on "telling him off" and not getting into an argument that she could not hope to win. I think the stupidest people I meet are women recently graduated from Universities. I saw a "short" recently where 2 UCLA women students couldn't answer the question "what is 2X2X1?" They also could not identify the Capital of the U.S. WTH is going on? (,They DID have great breasts, though). I see them going far in life. Because of their bodies, not their brains
What's funny is she's claiming that he is presenting a straw man fallacy (even though he clearly did not), her saying that after he addressed her question properly, she literally just set herself up for the very thing she accused him of. 😂
@@blue24563 If you aren't prepared to explain HOW it's a straw man fallacy, then it's nothing more than ad hominem. _And that's how she humiliated herself._ (you're welcome)
She shouts straw man because she has no argument to his response. Married woman with children are happy, and she knows this because her parents raised her and paid for her education are happy and still together, and she does not want Ben to know that her married mom is happy with her dad raising her, and she does not want her parents to see this!
I am a white American woman. At 17 I fell pregnant. Went to Planned Parenthood and they had me watch the ultrasound. Turns out, I am totally pro-choice when it comes to other women, but by gosh I’m pro-life when it comes to my own children! I chose a wonderful family and gave my daughter up for adoption. It wasn’t the “end of my world” nor was it “devastating”! It was what it was. Surely we can find some common ground as to when a tiny baby is a REAL human with a right to be born and find Love in a family who would welcome a baby into their homes? Maybe 3 months? I don’t know…. 😢
I think what's important is that you chose. In every pregnancy a choice must be made... to give birth or not to give birth. Who else but the pregnant woman should have the right to make that choice?
That is a common tactic of the Left's youth, hurl catch phrases and derogatory words, which have no basis in realality. Just one more indicator that these people live in a mental fantasyland. Useful and unwitting soldiers for the 1% Globalists whom these youth profess to be fighting.
Typical far-leftism. They lose basically every argument, so they often fall back to screaming petty insults, all the 'ists' and 'isms'. Typically in an effort to cancel / silence the person who exposed their radicalized foolishness.
Leftists really are like cowardly hit-and-run guerrilla warfare fighters lol. They don’t fight fair or honest, they fight like little commie terrorists
Right. Saying that was her whole reason for going to the podium with that statement. I imagine her sitting around with her pals, preparing for his lecture and how to get that "zinger" in. She couldn't run away fast enough!
My mom had me at 21 I was a mistake after my birth she fell into a depressive state and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She couldn't see me for 6 months after my birth. My dad and grandparents took care of me for those 6 months. My mom recovered and took care of me. My mom told me that she never even considered abortion because she made a mistake so she must take responsibility. She did and now I have a healthy relationship with her and she loves me and she couldn't imagine her life without me.
A straw man fallacy is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.
I think you're confusing ad hominem with strawman. Ad hominem is when you call names and attack the person you're trying to debate, which is *not* a valid form of debate.
My great grandaughter would not be alive today if her maternal grandmother had had her way. When her grandmother found out that her mother was pregnant she took her for an abortion but was told the pregnancy was to far advanced! My great granddaughter is now 11 years old and a lovely, intelligent child who islived by her whole family.
I have three children. No one made me have them. I have several friends who have had abortions. I don't know if the abortion establishment knows how many women regret that choice. Because my friends have shared their grief with me. Whether they still believe in abortion, I don't know. The cry of My Body, My Choice is so nonsensical. It's a false concept. The many ways your body is not your own. When you were born, if not for your mother taking care of your helpless body, you would have died. As a toddler, your entire family would watch over you. If they had not watched out for you, you would have run in front of a car. You see, even from birth, you needed help for your own body. It was not yours. Your body affected many people. Of course, it's far from over. The teacher, the Safety Guard, the babysitter, Police Officers, the next-door neighbor.
I mean calling his argument a straw man was the only thing she said in response, which isn't exactly argumentative. I think running away isn't a bad option here, since not everyone is as good as Ben Shapiro at manipulating a conversation and arguing.
@@aspiringsandspeilmechanic9218bingo! There was no ad homimen, no ultimatum, no loaded questions, she was simply asking a question and called out when he diverted from the question. Too many blind followers fail to see this.
@@davidross5593 Then stay there "like an adult " and finish the conversation she started, not run away like a 🐀 when she's exposed as a 🤪 troll thinking she's going to disprove it's wrong to kill babies.
In India A woman filed for abortion (22week), the honourable Supreme court took over the case and said " If you cant raise the baby The State will, just deliver the baby" and gave verdict that human rights apply to the fetus and the right to life is its choice not the mother.😅
It’s funny she accused him of using a straw man argument when she herself served up not only a Ultimatum fallacy but also a borderline Ad Hominem as well.
Well we dont know his full answer. It very well couldve been cut up as to avoid the strawman parts. He never even argued why one is more important than the other. There literally wasnt a argument made by him
@@brycecrum9981 no thats true he didnt, but how could you force someone through a pregnancy, when there are ways to stop it. unless you disregard their bodily autonomy?
@@racetoruin7201 She has the autonomy to choose not to get pregnant in the first place. She has the autonomy to choose a partner who will respect her and not put a child in her if that's not what she wants. Anything that violates her autonomy to choose to get pregnant is illegal. Once she's pregnant though, the only thing that will force her through a pregnancy is her body, because it's designed that way. There are many ways to prevent a pregnancy in the first place. We are spoiled for options to prevent it. Abortions are not without lasting health risks to the woman. It's much safer to avoid pregnancy in the first place (which is her autonomy aka choice), and it's not difficult to do. What you're actually arguing for is that women shouldn't need to be responsible with their choices, knowing full well what their bodies are innately designed to do. Nobody is forcing women to give birth unless the woman is chained up in someone's basement (again, illegal). There are plenty of options for women to avoid childbirth.
Why aren’t people talking about the root cause of the pregnancy and the responsibility of not getting pregnant if you don’t want a baby? That’s controlling your body!
I've had a LOT of young folks toss out that "straw man" accusation. They don't actually know what a straw man fallacy is, they just use it as a catch-all to dismiss all the facts you gave them and run away from the debate.
@@Mr.EkshinI rewatched the video, and she is right; it's a strawman, and here's why: She asked question A: what's the ideology behind a women not having the autonomy to her own body in regards to abortion. Shapiro answers: A women should have autonomy but not the choice to kill another human(This is his answer) "As far as the idea that I stay awake thinking of how to control the women body" (this begins the strawman, as she never stated that but it is within grounds to disregard it initially) " care about the preservation of human life" (this is a valid point and supporting detail for his initial arguement.) "The vast majority in all of human existence have engaged in child bearing and rearing and it has not ruined their lives" to paraphrase he even claims they're the happiest women in America. (This claims that because women have birthed since the beginning of times then it is surely fine, this argument can be faulty as it can be applied to a multitude of negative things) (he also claims married women are the happiest in America, this is a strawman as he is arguing against the happiness of women in marriages while marriage or happiness was never the center of the subject, therefore it is a strawman) Lastly Shapiro made the statement "I don't have an argument that pro-choicers are ignoring a premise" (This again is another strawman as her initial question had 0 to do with pro-choicers, it was an inquisition as to pro-life ideology. All in all, he did strawman at least twice and made her a de facto enemy for her question.
@@AverageSomething. A strawman is the unreasonable misrepresentation of a position. She did not clarify her position, so we do not actually know whether Ben Shapiro misrepresented he position.
@@nathanvangoor4979 her position was to inquire about the ideology behind women autonomy in regards to abortion (in relation to pro-life views), she stated she was not there to argue or debate, it was pure curiousity as posed by the question. I explained above as to why he created a false presentation and there for engaged in a strawman fallacy. Thank you.
@@AverageSomething. She was asserting that he opposed woman autonomy in regards to abortion. In the full video, she is constantly rolling her eyes; she's not curious. I explained why those cases you named are not strawmen
@@jpyeatt9696 I will not hire her demographic unless I can guarantee their mind is not poisoned. You can usually predict their beliefs simply by the way they look. Hair color/ style, obnoxious tattoos, and facial piercings. They are conformists. They just share a certain look. Thank god I work for a corporation focused on profit, and not woke garbage/ identity politics.
I am a women a wife and a Mom of 3 and they complete my life. That is the main purpose of a women to procreate and be fruitful and multiply. I don’t remember life without kids and I am truly blessed to have them. Never been more fulfilled than this moment. Working is ok but being home with them there is nothing like it. Work is more stressful
Ben still didn't give much of an answer. His answer was "woman should just marry the guy and be happy". If they're having an abortion that's likely not a option or certainly not a good option.
@@newlifebetteryou he said at the end you'll be happy if you just get married. That's his argument..Instead of having an abortion, get married and you'll be happy.
How is that a straw man fallacy? She asked about women's right to their own bodies and he said they have the right to their own body but to not kill another person.
“I’m not looking to argue with you, I just want to ask a question so I can dismiss your response to feel like I accomplished something and feel good about myself.” - Is what she meant
I'm a woman that suffered extreme depression for most of my life. I have a child and another on the way, and I cannot explain the happiness i feel. Being a mom is the best thing that ever happened to me.
I'm a woman who is unable to have children and it breaks my heart still. These children have no idea about real life and how much they will regret not having children or aborting them. Such a sad lie from Satan: kill your babies after casual sex equals freedom from men and marriage or giving that precious child to someone like me who missed out on all that love to give. It's a narcissistic and sick world we live in. They call it woke. I call it a LIE 🤥
I am a dude with anxiety and depression. I love my 11 yr old boy. I love kids. I love to watch cartoons with them and play with Legos and ride 4 wheelers and just hang out and talk about what they want to talk about. I'm 58 and I just can't sit at a table all day with old people and play penny anti poker and talk about shit I don't care about. Old people suck. Kids have fun. 😂
"A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making." So, basically she's saying that Ben was exaggerating her "right to her own bodily autonomy" as killing another human being. But the truth is that she has the truth distorted in her own mind. She is in fact taking the life of another human by exercising her "right". She also forgets that any "right" she has over her body is only limited to her own, not when there's another life in her body. You see this everywhere. People will believe their own lies to suit their wants. It's not about the baby (human life). It's about her. She also ran away because she didn't want her false reasoning to be proven wrong. She just wanted the last word. A child's temper tantrum disguised with fancy terminology.
More specifically, SHE was strawmaning every single pro-life by even claiming the issue is about women's bodily autonomy, because she implies by stating it that pro-lifers do not recognize women's right to choose. Ben immediately corrected her strawman argument, and she projected her own actions onto him.
What I find interesting is the woman can choose to have or abort the kid. But the guy has no say in the matter and if she keeps the kid he gets to pay support. Where is his choice? What if he wants the kid? What if he's anti kid? The double standard is appalling.
20 years ago a group called choice for men was made. The courts said shut up and pay or alternatively her body her choice. Don’t fall for the “I’m on the pill” if you aren’t ready for a child with that person.
If you don’t want children with any particular woman DON’T have sex with her. If you don’t want any children at this point in your life either refrain from having sex or use protection. Don’t expect her to be the only one in charge of protection. If you want to have a child make sure your partner wants one, too. This goes for both men and women.
Your answer is very, very simple. You make your choice when you choose to engage in intercourse without protection. You can not conceive and then claim you didn’t have a choice. She could NOT have the child without your semen HELLO!! You choose to have a child the quick 3 minutes before you passed out and fell asleep! Your argument is lack of responsibility for your actions. Man up SON!! You just agreed to 216 months of child support whether or not you like it as most states hold you responsible for your actions. 6 Million swimmers and you we’re the fastest, HMMMMMM concerning !!!!!
I do not want to have kids. But if for some reason it happens. I will never abort. I’m Latina, in my culture we don’t that (most of us). The reason I don’t want kids is that I know they would be become my world. I will live for them. I would put them above it all. I am not ready to be second in my life. I am not ready to have my time dictated by them. I applaud all of you moms. I have so much respect for you and the sacrifices you’ve made
And, actually didn't she use a 'strawman fallacy' in her original accusation when she chose to misinterpret his motivations for opposing abortion? That's how I saw it anyway, but the concept of a strawman fallacy was not in the lexicon when I was her age. Now it seems many who throw it into conversation have done it themselves.
The conversation should be simple. If you don’t like abortion then don’t get one. Nobody should be forcing woman to have children that they don’t want.
@@tysonvslewis12 But we're talking about the murder of another human life. The real solution is not getting pregnant if you don't want to have/raise a baby.
@@kentd4762 that’s not an adult level answer. The fact is that if another adult chooses to have sex and becomes pregnant the choice should be there choice to make. There choice does not affect you at all yet your choice to infringe on there freedom affects them greatly. If you don’t want to have a kid then you can remain celibate if you’d like. Any of us don’t find that kind of restrictive all or nothing kind of life very fun or fulfilling.
@@tysonvslewis12if you have sex, you have already made your choice. Most adults should know the consequences of unprotected sex. At that point it’s no longer about choice, it’s about responsibility and accountability. The adult answer is to take accountability for your actions and be responsible for the literal baby inside of you.
Running away when they don’t have anymore facts to back up what they say or they would just become violent, harrass people, shout at them and say foolish words😂 Sounds like my relatives who are Democrats😅
I can relate to this all too well man. Every time I discuss politics with my parents I get them to agree with my arguments, because they are rooted in logic. But once they realize that what they just agreed with goes against their own beliefs, they suddenly forget the whole conversation we just had, and they either try to steer the conversation in a completely different direction, or they resort to plain namecalling with no arguments to back it up. The other day when we were watching something about the US midterms, my mom said to me: "Why are you being so silent?" I responded with saying something like: "Until you are capable of understanding the basics of a discussion as well as the concept of logic, I see no particular reason to talk to you about politics." It's sad that it has to be that way, but it is genuinly imposible to argue with someone who, first of all, isn't willing or even capable of changing their mind if it means surrendering to another persons argument. The reason why that is such a big problem in and of itself is just like the example I gave before. Even if you get people to agree with your points, they will still dismiss them in the end, beacuse they are so afffraid to be proven wrong. This mentality is ultimately flawed, however, because it's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's about listining to and learning from each other's perspectives and being open minded to different viewpoints than your own. That doesn't mean you shouldn't call people out on their bullshit. You deffinately should. Just make sure that it actually is bullshit you are calling out and not a valuable lesson like the truth for instance.
He didn't pull a Straw Man fallacy. Cathy Newman pulls the Straw Man. "I don't believe women should be allowed to kill other humans" *"So what you're saying is.."*
What about him wouldn’t make someone with a critically thinking brain be sick. His voice is an influential one that will no doubt affect many simple people’s opinion, I used to love listening to him when I was younger taking out feminists and others. Now he just seems like a crazy person, it’s highly disappointing, another mouth piece for those that are fodder for the media. One day in America, in perhaps decades, two waves might pass, one might be the decline of the civilised world in North America, the other might be a self awareness we claim to have now, where all will watch back with disgust. And there will be those like the escaped Nazis who hide in sheep’s clothing.
@@patrickwalling1636 never went uni, my friends did but they haven’t really become woke so maybe it’s diff here we ain’t in America, I still believe in what I believe, when I wrote that comment tbh It was aggressive towards pro lifers, I apologise for that, I can understand both sides of the argument now. But I am still pro choice and that I won’t apologise for, it’s just what feels right to me as a free individual. I do think that there is a point in the pregnancy when the abortion shouldn’t be done however, like when they have to tear the limbs off, that’s just fucking sick, but I’ve always thought that.
I'm not going to hold it against her that she prepared her question ahead of time. I will hold it against her that she barfed out whatever fallacy claim came to her mind first and then ran away.
I honestly thought she was going to read something that he tweeted but no she either was falsifying information from words that don't exist on a tweet or like you said she wrote something down so she wouldn't forget which to be honest I do see people doing that so they won't forget in the moment basically cue cards there's nothing wrong with that but the likelihood is probably she's reading someone else's words not even her own
@@benjamintherogue2421 she claimed that she was reading something he tweeted and at first I thought that's what she was going to read and asking what did he meant by that because you can only say so many characters in a tweet but no it's obvious that she either falsify the information herself by reading between the lines which there is no lines or she's reading from an article that's not even of her own making again either she's falsifying information but deliberately not using the words he had written or she has no thoughts of her own and is reading someone else's thoughts on a falsified tweet that he made so her making this statement argument comment whatever you want to call it and the first place is a problem alongside calling his argument by using data a straw man fallacy
lol what she’s doing is the straw man fallacy. She is twisting his words. He is saying that abortion should be banned because it takes the life of a child. She is saying that he is saying that women shouldn’t have rights, which is NOT what he is saying. Then they say that Republicans use the straw man fallacy on guns, which is not true. Democrats OPENLY SAY that ALL guns should be BANNED, and VERY FEW say that it should be limited. 84% of Democrats think that all guns should be banned and 76% of Democrats want to completely abolish the 2nd amendment. So Republicans saying that Democrats want to ban guns is not a straw man fallacy, because most democrats DO want to ban guns entirely.
This is unfortunate, but what she meant was, "Your logic is immaterial, compared to the emotional investment I have in my opinion". And really, that's the argument for most woke positions.
What's sad is she came off as legit... then showed her colors in such a pathetic manner.
That's what it often comes to. It's pathetic like this young ignorant lady. And she's been raised by the schools to believe this. Voucher's now for private schools.
Liberals 🙄
She did start off that she doesn't want to debate about it, because at the end, shows that she doesn't know what she is talking about or isn't willing to understand the opposite side. Aka, someone that is closed minded.
That’s how they do. Try to show class, but when class is needed, they become class-less. Imagine what her parent look like and think? 😂
@@yl6128to be fair, listening and debating are different. If she was genuine, she may have wanted to hear another view and go and process that, and use another view to go and do her own research without getting into a heated debate. Sometimes I don't want to debate someone because I don't know enough, but I'd like to hear a new perspective.
Clearly, that wasn't her intention though lol
Girl: I'm not looking to argue...
STRAW MAN
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lmao! 🤣🤣🤣
You summed it up perfectly
DOOR MAN
I have the impression that she is not the one who said the straw man fallacy but another one from the nearby or am I wrong?
Opens with: "thank you for being here🙂"
Right after: *insults him then leaves*
Lol
That’s literally throw rocks at somebody and then go hide. It’s just cowardice kids nowadays are cowards.
College campuses have become day care camps. None of these children can ask a single question without staring into their phones. If this topic was important to them, they wouldn't need a cheat sheet.
They have always been day care for the human race for the ages of 18-22( 28) depending on fields of study
I think they're just texting their professor to show that they actually stood up and said something so they can get an A!
if youve been to a thing like this, usually questions are prompted on the fly so you write them down in your notes app or on paper to make sure you ask what you wanna ask correctly. most people dont have the experience of public speaking enough to ask a question perfectly just from your mind in front of a whole lot of people. it makes sense theyre staring at their phone to read it. i completely agree with Ben and you though. theyre morons
What’s even more sad it a lot of ‘‘em don’t even bother looking anything up, they just start rambling what they heard someone else say
She was doing well until she dropped the insult and ran away. After that she lost her credibility.
A straw man fallacy is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.
Like Socrates said, when a fool knows they have lost the debate, they resort to slander.
@@yumad403 Just like you just did? 😂
@@conchitavegan6948 nope just explaining how it's not an insult 🤣
@@yumad403It's an insult if you make an accusation and walk away without backing it or explaining it.
"I'm not here to argue with you, only shout insults as I run back to my echo chamber"
You can tell she was holding that strawman stone the entire time, and she just waited patiently for Ben to finish so she could throw it and run.
You're also in an echo chamber tho, neither of you will ever realize it.
@@noggstaj please explain what idea or opinion I gave or the blatent disregard for "opposing" information that shows this? She couldn't accept or listen to an opposing viewpoint so she got emotional and lashed out. Similarly to how you read a quote and assumed something about me to then use your emotions to reply in a manner to put me in a specific group so you can discard anything I say instead of asking me for more information. Your response is closer to an "echo chamber" than my quote
Honestly it’s very telling how retarded you are by saying she “ only shouts insults” when it’s hardly an insult let alone not the “only” thing she stated. Lol
@@joshhaube8313 wow coming in hot with an insult. How consistent
She ran because she realized she isn't smart enough to be in the same room as Ben Shapiro.
Ben Shapiro is smart??? Are you serious or trolling? 😭
@@Spez_arts he’s smarter than the people he debates and losing an argument is really difficult when you are fundamentally right, never seen him or anyone representing his views lose an argument 🤷
He's Smarter than you 100% He's one of the smartest Men I've ever seen @@Spez_arts
@@Spez_artshe’s much smarter than you haha it just doesn’t fit your delusional leftist narrative.
@@VoyaJet_coCorrect.
Instead of saying, " I don't want to argue with you", she should have said, "I can't argue with you"!!! At least should have been truthful. She DEFINITELY wants to argue with him!!!! She just can't!!!
“I dont wana argue with you, i just want to yell out something and not allow you to defend yourself…”
She doesn't nave the intelligence to make an argument, she can only repeat the talking points that she hears other liberals say.
This is what happens when you enroll 2-year olds in colleges…
Don't forget! Go back to her friends, giggle about how she made no point and said some shit and ran.
these kids seriously think they can beat Shapiro lol
The chess game pigeon analogy applies here
Debating a leftist is like playing chess with a pigeon.
They knock over all the pieces and strut around the board shitting on it and claiming they won.
In this case everyone else in the auditorium believes she won too.
She just showed how much of a two year old she really is..
Like all Liberals
she should her body her choice off the planet 🙊
It's a liberal thing. They are also starting their trend of denying debates with opponents.
@@Kickedbk while still winning elections. Insanity
@@joanofarc4103
Regarding SEX, which is considered to be an extremely important part of life by the overwhelming majority of adult humans:
sexual intercourse refers to the introduction of a man’s penis into a woman’s vagina.
Other forms of sexual gratification are termed “foreplay”, and all forms of foreplay are not only acceptable within marriage, but encouraged.
Although sex can be a wonderful thing, it is a private matter, and has no place in public forums, apart from a health-warning perspective.
Sexual intercourse and foreplay is lawful strictly within MARRIAGE, as defined in the previous chapter, and has three main purposes: most obviously for having children; as a form of recreation (especially for couples who are unable to afford to partake in costly forms of pleasurable hobbies, due to poverty); and for bringing the couple (or in the case of polygamous marriages, however many are present) closer together.
Whenever any one of the procreative, recreative, or unitive aspects of sex is omitted, sex becomes a selfish, sinful act.
She said that she doesn't want to argue, but she does want to insult Ben then run for cover.
She forgot she wasnt in the comfort of hiding behind her phone screen and typing bs at someone and then running away ignoring the reply notifications thinking she won
"I don't know what a strawman is, but I'll say it then run"... genius! 😂
The moment she said “Straw man” and ran off, was the moment she proved she was a pathetic coward.
Typical leftist, it's so obvious that they Cant Handel The Truth. 😂😂
Yup, and now we have 2 generations of these types in America
@wall0184 Super sad, really. I was hoping all of gen Z was going to redeem sanity but what a disappointment. The toddler saying "straw man" meant white man. 🙄
Pathetic cowards that preffer to kill an unborn and don't confront their responsibilities. It's sick.
Im a NORMAL HUMAN MALE... what is straw man? 😂
Her professors must be so proud. She used the term they taught her and didn't let little things like logic or integrity get in her way.
She got a “A”
She turned from "brave" to a "victim" in less than a minute. Her professor probably declared her a saint.
Of course her professors would be proud because their indoctrination has taken hold fully in her little mind. Pathetic.
Professors don't seem any more smarter than these "kids" their teaching...
Yes, Parroting Leftist newly TWISTED definitions, they know little about. Play 30 seconds of Human Fetuses FLEEING pain of being Aborted, ie. killed, murdered.
Of course he she they them whatever pronoun does not want to argue prochoice, because that false accuser KNOWS Human Fetuses ARE being murdered via Abortion.
And that person who looks more feminine than not strikes me as a person wanting to marry her dream Lover, have Human Babies together and enjoy raising them together as a happy family.
SMART answer, NO argument with Ben who DOES know alot more FACTS around Abortion.
Oh course they always run away to avoid digging themselves a deeper hole. They’re all the same
Does a 2 year old have the right to use someone else's body to sustain their life without that person's consent? Neither should a fetus.
Evil and depraved mindset.
@@MODMAN_1987 yes, you thinking you should have a right to force a woman to remain pregnant, very evil and depraved
It's so very cute when they learn new words and phrases and try them out for the first time.
😂😂😂
Hahahahahahaaa. She's lucky she can spell the word soup.
That’s exactly what happened. She heard the term used and decided to throw it out there without knowing what it actually means. Just the current buzzword
@@jamesbrother9597
A sock full of which would be profoundly sharper that her..
I think she really just wanted to use the term lol. She didn't actually want to listen or care about what Ben was saying, but give her question and throw in a new term she learned recently 🙃. And then run away lol.
She just learned the phrase and really wanted to use it in real life
Abortion should not be a political issue. I’m a conservative and I say leave it alone. Let it be a decision between a woman and her conscience. Period.
This ☝️
Yes, politics and religion should not interfere with a woman's and her family's decisions.
The same applies to what happens between a husband and wife in the bedroom - those choices are theirs to make.
There are serious issues when genetic tests reveal that unborn babies might have life-threatening defects, which could also impact the mother’s health. Additionally, if a baby is born with severe brain defects (Anencephaly, Lissencephaly - Google these please), the consequences are profound.
A true politician RUN YOUR MOUTH AND DO NOT BACK IT.
" _Go girl, ask him a question!_ "
" _Nooo! he will destroy me._ "
" _No, he won't. He is stupid_ "
" _Ok, but what if he does?_ "
" _Just shout strawman fallacy and run away_ "
" _What's strawman fallacy?_ "
" _Who cares?_ "
I thought she was about to say “I have a boyfriend”💀💀
😂😂😂
For anyone who actually cares, the idea of the strawman is you're creating people who don't exist to back up your arguments.
Thing is, women being happily married with kids exist, like, everywhere.
Who cares, lol debaters use it all the time! Might as well throw in gaslighting while you at it. Oh wait, gaslighting is when I said “why do you want control over womens’s bodies” can’t use that one. Doh!
@@dextersynesterformerlysorb5334 technically, it’s to create a fake argument where u can make it easier to win it. But the actual points of contention are completely ignored
No matter what his comeback was, she was already prepared to say that “strawman fallacy” in the end even though it was her first time using it in a sentence
👍🙂💯
And it's irrelevant to what Ben said. Truth, especially where the vulnerability of the unborn is concerned, is anathema, completely toxic to Woke Folk zombies.
she probably just learnt that word n just wanted to use it
I thought she said strong man fallacy? But I've never heard either term used before.
@@angelam4795 A straw man fallacy is a fallacy that distorts someones claim into the other person's benefit. For example, if I say that I like cats and someone makes it seem like I hate dogs that's a straw man fallacy. Just some friendly information.
@@angelam4795 Simply put, "Straw-manning" is purposely misinterpreting someone's argument to make it easier to refute.
they always run away when their ideas get destroyed by logic and fact
She started out respectfully, and ended in embarrassment.
In her mind while running away: I won the argument because he could not say anything back to me.
& her echo chamber will agree with the clueless child .
there is alot of people like that
@@Patrickf5087 that's a fact and unfortunately they are on both sides.
She "doesn't want to argue" because she has no argument.
Let’s be real. Conservatives are pro-born, not pro-life. They don’t give 2 fucks what happens to that life after it’s born. Whether it be from rape, or the child goes to a foster home. They don’t care.
She strawmanned him... And I don't even agree with him.
She did exactly what she accused him of doing.
“I’m not here to argue with you.”
“STRAWMAN!”
And then she runs… dumb!
Hahaha 🤣😂 duhhhhhh I'm going to use a buzzword hheeEEEeeeeee even though it doesn't make sense and I'm going to run away so I don't have to back myself up. I'm a bIg girl todaaasAaaAyy. 🤪🥳👏👏😁
That's not even a straw man
She's was right, his example was a strawman
That "straw man" has a name, you know!! He goes by Ben Shapiro.
“I’m not looking to argue with you because my logic crumbles when we bring in data that hasn’t been cherry picked” 😂
Ouch,right in the facts.
what data was brought in for this debate? I'd like to know what data backs married women with children being happier than others, especially when I know happy and unhappy people with kids. I don't see any correlation or causation, and know facts weren't presented to support that claim.
Well he just ignored the question about the woman's rights and just day the Embryo would die as if that would make that the woman doesn't has human rights anymore.
So I would not consider an Embryo in the beginning of a pregnancy a person, as I don't think that an egg is a chicken. But okay, people maybe have a different definition on that.
But even then a pregnancy is not without risk the maternal mortality ration per 100k is 24 in the USA, 7 in Sweden and UK, 4 in Germany and 2 in Australia (2020). So just looking on the Embryo isn't enough. Like in an accident where you don't have to risk your own life to safe someone else, the question here is as well, what are the rights of the women and what are the rights of the Embryo and why are which one higher than the other? He doesn't explain that at all. He just looks on the Embryo, ignoring the mother's risks and rights.
@@Duconi Do you eat fetuses as well as eggs?
@@patricktruchon9153 No
She wasn’t looking to argue, she just wanted to call him a straw man. Good job, honey. You sure got him! 🙄😂
They're not smart enough to present the 'gotcha' questions, but they sure think they are.
“I’m not looking to argue with you…” proceeds to insult him after not liking what he responded with. 😂
Then runs away! 🤣
She doesn't want to argue because she knows she has lost before opening her mouth.
She didnt handle it well . She allowed emotion to take over that said I didn't like his response either..
Anti abortion side tend to take this issue as always black and white with little room for movement ..
Sapiros notion that the vast majority of women happily raise their children is not a good enough answer for women who are victims of incest or rape or who might have some other medical issue .
What gives him the right to interfere in a process that should remain between a woman and her doctor
Young minded idealogue not yet formed.
@@mikedon5205
"What gives him the right to interfere in a process that should remain between a woman and her doctor"
But you are begging the question. The claim that abortion should remain between a woman and her doctor is exactly what you are trying to convince us to believe. You can't just take it as premise. Further, when you make such a claim, you show that you are insincere about "women who are victims." If you are sincere about victimized women, you are treating it as an extenuating circumstance against an otherwise general prohibition.
You see. I am anti-abortion. I am perfectly happy to consider nuance. But it had better be honest instead of the fox's nose under the tent.
She took one philosophy class and now she's Aristotle. Lol these kids 😂
Same as the women who done therapy and after that they think that they are a therapist....🤣🤣🤣 It's happening most of the times
Stupidity at it's best.
Rhetoric class and while she was wrong, it wasn’t a straw man fallacy unless that part was removed in one of the cuts made for the short, most of the people in the world today would benefit immeasurably from that class
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol
This student expose how degreting education in USA.
Having children is the single most rewarding thing we as women will ever do it’s a honor to be a mother
“I don’t want to argue…” five seconds later “STRAWMAN!” And runs away.
Which is a type of argument! Shows that critical thinking either isn’t taught or just isn’t valued in university. Geesh!
to think she is spending her or govt money to argue these points that can't be supported.. poor and wasted education
Right! Because she didn't want to argue. She just wanted to Insult and run off
like the in coward she is. Meanwhile her in friends probably congratulate her on "telling him off" and not getting into an argument that she could not hope to win. I think the stupidest people I meet are women recently graduated from Universities. I saw a "short" recently where 2 UCLA women students couldn't answer the question "what is 2X2X1?" They also could not identify the Capital of the U.S. WTH is going on? (,They DID have great breasts, though). I see them going far in life. Because of their bodies, not their brains
What's funny is she's claiming that he is presenting a straw man fallacy (even though he clearly did not), her saying that after he addressed her question properly, she literally just set herself up for the very thing she accused him of. 😂
At that point isnt she the one doing the strawman fallacy thingy? Haha
Should a woman who behaves like a two year old really be the authority on ending the life of an unborn baby?
Of course they run away after insulting people. That's what cowards do.
She probably thought she was the one who humiliated him but then realized she humiliated herself.
Traumatized herself...
One dictates one's own humiliation. You cannot humiliate anyone who does not feel humiliation. Therefore you can't tell someone they were humiliated.
How did she humiliate herself? He was making a straw man argument.
@@blue24563in what fashion? he stated a fact.
@@blue24563 If you aren't prepared to explain HOW it's a straw man fallacy, then it's nothing more than ad hominem. _And that's how she humiliated herself._ (you're welcome)
“I’m not looking to argue with you because you’d destroy me so I’m just looking to insult you and leave”
Facts
He talks very fast and says very little to address the question, but it sounds just great to his supporters.
@@belmont620 he addressed the question completely. She disregarded his answer and turned to insults because she knows she is wrong and morally corrupt
@@belmont620 - he answered. Listen to the video again. She just didn’t like his answer & felt a need to call names like children/bullies do.
@@belmont620 are you actually a bit r&t@rded? He literally answered her completely.
She shouts straw man because she has no argument to his response. Married woman with children are happy, and she knows this because her parents raised her and paid for her education are happy and still together, and she does not want Ben to know that her married mom is happy with her dad raising her, and she does not want her parents to see this!
I am a white American woman. At 17 I fell pregnant. Went to Planned Parenthood and they had me watch the ultrasound. Turns out, I am totally pro-choice when it comes to other women, but by gosh I’m pro-life when it comes to my own children! I chose a wonderful family and gave my daughter up for adoption. It wasn’t the “end of my world” nor was it “devastating”! It was what it was.
Surely we can find some common ground as to when a tiny baby is a REAL human with a right to be born and find Love in a family who would welcome a baby into their homes? Maybe 3 months? I don’t know…. 😢
I think what's important is that you chose. In every pregnancy a choice must be made... to give birth or not to give birth. Who else but the pregnant woman should have the right to make that choice?
He literally answered the question. You can’t just scream straw man when you’re losing because the term will just lose its meaning
I'd quip "You're assuming the gender of the argument . . ."
That’s the point, these people want words to lose their meaning, so the words can be twisted in ways that were never meant to be.
That is a common tactic of the Left's youth, hurl catch phrases and derogatory words, which have no basis in realality. Just one more indicator that these people live in a mental fantasyland. Useful and unwitting soldiers for the 1% Globalists whom these youth profess to be fighting.
@@orca5428 It's a time honored Marxist strategy to stop reasoned, articulated refutation of their evil.
Typical far-leftism. They lose basically every argument, so they often fall back to screaming petty insults, all the 'ists' and 'isms'. Typically in an effort to cancel / silence the person who exposed their radicalized foolishness.
“I’m not looking to argue with you I’m just looking to hit and run.”😊
Leftists really are like cowardly hit-and-run guerrilla warfare fighters lol. They don’t fight fair or honest, they fight like little commie terrorists
Right. Saying that was her whole reason for going to the podium with that statement. I imagine her sitting around with her pals, preparing for his lecture and how to get that "zinger" in. She couldn't run away fast enough!
My mom had me at 21 I was a mistake after my birth she fell into a depressive state and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She couldn't see me for 6 months after my birth. My dad and grandparents took care of me for those 6 months. My mom recovered and took care of me. My mom told me that she never even considered abortion because she made a mistake so she must take responsibility. She did and now I have a healthy relationship with her and she loves me and she couldn't imagine her life without me.
And yes folks, that’s how you lose an argument within 1 minute.
“I don’t wanna argue with you, but let me argue with you, shout some shit, and then run away”
LMFAOOOOOOOO IKRRRR
You should end quote at "you".
She doesn't want to argue, but can't defend her position. Instead, goes straight to name calling.
A straw man fallacy is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.
This is the reason why woke Marxism is stupid and using race and queer theory to destroy hierarchies they're jealous of.
I think you're confusing ad hominem with strawman. Ad hominem is when you call names and attack the person you're trying to debate, which is *not* a valid form of debate.
As do all lefties
@Lacy Elwood Statistics are valid. They aren't strawmans.
My great grandaughter would not be alive today if her maternal grandmother had had her way. When her grandmother found out that her mother was pregnant she took her for an abortion but was told the pregnancy was to far advanced! My great granddaughter is now 11 years old and a lovely, intelligent child who islived by her whole family.
I have three children. No one made me have them. I have several friends who have had abortions. I don't know if the abortion establishment knows how many women regret that choice. Because my friends have shared their grief with me. Whether they still believe in abortion, I don't know. The cry of My Body, My Choice is so nonsensical. It's a false concept. The many ways your body is not your own. When you were born, if not for your mother taking care of your helpless body, you would have died. As a toddler, your entire family would watch over you. If they had not watched out for you, you would have run in front of a car. You see, even from birth, you needed help for your own body. It was not yours. Your body affected many people. Of course, it's far from over. The teacher, the Safety Guard, the babysitter, Police Officers, the next-door neighbor.
"I'm not looking to argue with you, I just want to know...", She then proceeds to argue with him and then run away.
There’s 2 bodies!
women
I mean calling his argument a straw man was the only thing she said in response, which isn't exactly argumentative. I think running away isn't a bad option here, since not everyone is as good as Ben Shapiro at manipulating a conversation and arguing.
@@aspiringsandspeilmechanic9218bingo! There was no ad homimen, no ultimatum, no loaded questions, she was simply asking a question and called out when he diverted from the question.
Too many blind followers fail to see this.
@@aspiringsandspeilmechanic9218 🤣True
when someone says I'm not looking to argue with you and then continues to speak they're trying to argue with you
Or could they are legitimately trying to find out more why another person holds a certain belief or ideology.
@@davidross5593 No, they'd just engage in conversation. If they bring it up before they start, it's because that's where their head is at.
@@davidross5593
Then stay there "like an adult " and finish the conversation she started, not run away like a 🐀 when she's exposed as a 🤪 troll thinking she's going to disprove it's wrong to kill babies.
No, they really do mean they don't want to DEBATE with you.
Not defending this girl, but no. People can have a debate without arguing
Be a responsible adult, don't get pregnant and quit using abortion as a form of birth control. Simple.
In India A woman filed for abortion (22week), the honourable Supreme court took over the case and said " If you cant raise the baby The State will, just deliver the baby" and gave verdict that human rights apply to the fetus and the right to life is its choice not the mother.😅
Cowards run away when their narrative falls apart
coward is a man with a degree debating with students, that's why he always "wins"
It’s funny she accused him of using a straw man argument when she herself served up not only a Ultimatum fallacy but also a borderline Ad Hominem as well.
Well we dont know his full answer. It very well couldve been cut up as to avoid the strawman parts.
He never even argued why one is more important than the other. There literally wasnt a argument made by him
@@racetoruin7201 Well he didn't say which is more important because in his argument they are equal.
@@brycecrum9981
no thats true he didnt, but how could you force someone through a pregnancy, when there are ways to stop it. unless you disregard their bodily autonomy?
she's just projecting her own internal personal struggles on to him.
@@racetoruin7201 She has the autonomy to choose not to get pregnant in the first place. She has the autonomy to choose a partner who will respect her and not put a child in her if that's not what she wants. Anything that violates her autonomy to choose to get pregnant is illegal. Once she's pregnant though, the only thing that will force her through a pregnancy is her body, because it's designed that way. There are many ways to prevent a pregnancy in the first place. We are spoiled for options to prevent it. Abortions are not without lasting health risks to the woman. It's much safer to avoid pregnancy in the first place (which is her autonomy aka choice), and it's not difficult to do. What you're actually arguing for is that women shouldn't need to be responsible with their choices, knowing full well what their bodies are innately designed to do. Nobody is forcing women to give birth unless the woman is chained up in someone's basement (again, illegal). There are plenty of options for women to avoid childbirth.
He is anxious to preserve human life whilst blatantly ignoring the staggering daily death toll in Gaza! Ben, you crack me up!🤣😂
Once a woman is carrying a baby, it's not her body, it's theirs. That fetus is living, period. Just not born yet.
Snowflake:" I identify as the victim therefore YOU'RE THE OPPRESSOR!"
Boy! You nailed it! 👍
fyi you're 😉
Fixed. Was slipping that night. (And sipping 🍺)
Personally I am SICK of that.
This is how Leftists control groups of people. They need to constantly make them feel oppressed and angry enough to come out and vote.
She doesn’t want to argue, cause she’s not able to.
because* or 'cause
STRAWMAN
🏃♀️
Why aren’t people talking about the root cause of the pregnancy and the responsibility of not getting pregnant if you don’t want a baby? That’s controlling your body!
The baby BODY inside you is not YOUR body! It is the baby’s body, so you do not have the right to kill it.
She is a woman of her word. She said she wasn’t going to argue with you and by golly she didn’t. 😂
I've had a LOT of young folks toss out that "straw man" accusation. They don't actually know what a straw man fallacy is, they just use it as a catch-all to dismiss all the facts you gave them and run away from the debate.
@@Mr.EkshinI rewatched the video, and she is right; it's a strawman, and here's why:
She asked question A: what's the ideology behind a women not having the autonomy to her own body in regards to abortion.
Shapiro answers: A women should have autonomy but not the choice to kill another human(This is his answer)
"As far as the idea that I stay awake thinking of how to control the women body" (this begins the strawman, as she never stated that but it is within grounds to disregard it initially)
" care about the preservation of human life" (this is a valid point and supporting detail for his initial arguement.)
"The vast majority in all of human existence have engaged in child bearing and rearing and it has not ruined their lives" to paraphrase he even claims they're the happiest women in America. (This claims that because women have birthed since the beginning of times then it is surely fine, this argument can be faulty as it can be applied to a multitude of negative things) (he also claims married women are the happiest in America, this is a strawman as he is arguing against the happiness of women in marriages while marriage or happiness was never the center of the subject, therefore it is a strawman)
Lastly Shapiro made the statement "I don't have an argument that pro-choicers are ignoring a premise"
(This again is another strawman as her initial question had 0 to do with pro-choicers, it was an inquisition as to pro-life ideology.
All in all, he did strawman at least twice and made her a de facto enemy for her question.
@@AverageSomething. A strawman is the unreasonable misrepresentation of a position.
She did not clarify her position, so we do not actually know whether Ben Shapiro misrepresented he position.
@@nathanvangoor4979 her position was to inquire about the ideology behind women autonomy in regards to abortion (in relation to pro-life views), she stated she was not there to argue or debate, it was pure curiousity as posed by the question.
I explained above as to why he created a false presentation and there for engaged in a strawman fallacy. Thank you.
@@AverageSomething. She was asserting that he opposed woman autonomy in regards to abortion. In the full video, she is constantly rolling her eyes; she's not curious.
I explained why those cases you named are not strawmen
What’s terrifying is she’ll probably be head of HR at a large corporation in a couple years, if she isn’t already.
If were the hiring manager of that large corporation and had seen this video, she'd never get an interview in the first place.
@@jpyeatt9696 I will not hire her demographic unless I can guarantee their mind is not poisoned. You can usually predict their beliefs simply by the way they look. Hair color/ style, obnoxious tattoos, and facial piercings. They are conformists. They just share a certain look.
Thank god I work for a corporation focused on profit, and not woke garbage/ identity politics.
That’s the thing so many people like her are HR,Managers, executives ,politicians,Or any powerful careers in corporate organizations 😒
I am a women a wife and a Mom of 3 and they complete my life. That is the main purpose of a women to procreate and be fruitful and multiply. I don’t remember life without kids and I am truly blessed to have them. Never been more fulfilled than this moment. Working is ok but being home with them there is nothing like it. Work is more stressful
She couldn’t debate because she’s never had an original thought in her head
She doesn't want to "argue" because she's incapable of it. She has a few well worn slogans and that's it.
She's been waiting to say 'straw man fallacy' since she heard the term in high school.
Ben still didn't give much of an answer. His answer was "woman should just marry the guy and be happy". If they're having an abortion that's likely not a option or certainly not a good option.
@@ChiIeboy 😂😂😂
@@MikeKulls2 Hmmm…. I did not hear Ben state that “the woman should just marry the guy and be happy” in this video….
@@newlifebetteryou he said at the end you'll be happy if you just get married. That's his argument..Instead of having an abortion, get married and you'll be happy.
She can't think without the script her teacher prepared for her.
How is that a straw man fallacy? She asked about women's right to their own bodies and he said they have the right to their own body but to not kill another person.
She’s a child. What do you expect?
She learned a term, used it, ran away and felt proud
The fact that she felt proud about being wrong is the blight of the modern education system.
@@lynayra6492 feeling wrong has been replaced with feeling good you got the words im
The 60's really screwed up the future. The petoulue crap smelling hippies were the worst thing that ever happened.
The term is not used properly either, there is no autonomy whatsoever in "please doctor, remove my unborn child for me".
@@andreasrumpf9012 that's sad
What she meant was, “I’m not here to argue with you unless you don’t agree with me” 😂
Oh, you mean Ron Desantis. I'm going to ban everything that I don't like and call it freedom.
What she meant was she’s not here to argue because she knows she’s wrong and has nothing to argue with
Whenever they are cornered, they engage in ad hominem, no substance at all. Any wrongdoing can never win in any argument.
Believing in basic human rights isn’t “woke” 🤦🏻♂️
She doesn’t know how to argue, so she shouldn’t have tried.
“I’m not looking to argue with you, I just want to ask a question so I can dismiss your response to feel like I accomplished something and feel good about myself.” - Is what she meant
It's true she didn't want to argue with Ben. She was afraid to, that's why she just dropped her "bomb" then ran away lol
She obviously never mastered the Art of Debate! Just by opening her mouth, she proved Shapiro the Winner!
I'm a woman that suffered extreme depression for most of my life. I have a child and another on the way, and I cannot explain the happiness i feel. Being a mom is the best thing that ever happened to me.
You sound like the right and proper person to get the job done, good on you mum and keep them coming
Good for you!!! Love those babies, and yourself.
I'm a woman who is unable to have children and it breaks my heart still. These children have no idea about real life and how much they will regret not having children or aborting them. Such a sad lie from Satan: kill your babies after casual sex equals freedom from men and marriage or giving that precious child to someone like me who missed out on all that love to give. It's a narcissistic and sick world we live in. They call it woke. I call it a LIE 🤥
Well done Bri! Hope you us know when baby number 2 arrives!
I am a dude with anxiety and depression. I love my 11 yr old boy. I love kids. I love to watch cartoons with them and play with Legos and ride 4 wheelers and just hang out and talk about what they want to talk about. I'm 58 and I just can't sit at a table all day with old people and play penny anti poker and talk about shit I don't care about. Old people suck. Kids have fun. 😂
So if it's the women's decision to have an abortion or not can the man have the right to not pay for child support?
She doesn't want to argue. She just wants to dismiss his view. Based on the fact she doesn't like it.
"A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making."
So, basically she's saying that Ben was exaggerating her "right to her own bodily autonomy" as killing another human being. But the truth is that she has the truth distorted in her own mind. She is in fact taking the life of another human by exercising her "right". She also forgets that any "right" she has over her body is only limited to her own, not when there's another life in her body. You see this everywhere. People will believe their own lies to suit their wants. It's not about the baby (human life). It's about her.
She also ran away because she didn't want her false reasoning to be proven wrong. She just wanted the last word. A child's temper tantrum disguised with fancy terminology.
More specifically, SHE was strawmaning every single pro-life by even claiming the issue is about women's bodily autonomy, because she implies by stating it that pro-lifers do not recognize women's right to choose.
Ben immediately corrected her strawman argument, and she projected her own actions onto him.
@@davidtucker9498 Ironic really lol
This was excellent.
Thanks for explaining
@MiNdCaNdY
What is the difference between a human fertilised ovum and a human being ?
What I find interesting is the woman can choose to have or abort the kid. But the guy has no say in the matter and if she keeps the kid he gets to pay support. Where is his choice? What if he wants the kid? What if he's anti kid? The double standard is appalling.
I’m a woman and I often wonder the same thing.
20 years ago a group called choice for men was made. The courts said shut up and pay or alternatively her body her choice. Don’t fall for the “I’m on the pill” if you aren’t ready for a child with that person.
If you don’t want children with any particular woman DON’T have sex with her.
If you don’t want any children at this point in your life either refrain from having sex or use protection. Don’t expect her to be the only one in charge of protection. If you want to have a child make sure your partner wants one, too. This goes for both men and women.
Your answer is very, very simple. You make your choice when you choose to engage in intercourse without protection. You can not conceive and then claim you didn’t have a choice. She could NOT have the child without your semen HELLO!!
You choose to have a child the quick 3 minutes before you passed out and fell asleep!
Your argument is lack of responsibility for your actions.
Man up SON!! You just agreed to 216 months of child support whether or not you like it as most states hold you responsible for your actions.
6 Million swimmers and you we’re the fastest, HMMMMMM concerning !!!!!
@@mikeoxbig4901 thank you. Young men and yes a lot of immature older men, too need to hear this.
But children raised by mothers who never wanted to be mothers are NOT the happiest or even functional people of society.
I do not want to have kids. But if for some reason it happens. I will never abort. I’m Latina, in my culture we don’t that (most of us). The reason I don’t want kids is that I know they would be become my world. I will live for them. I would put them above it all. I am not ready to be second in my life. I am not ready to have my time dictated by them. I applaud all of you moms. I have so much respect for you and the sacrifices you’ve made
She really went out there and said “strawman fallacy” without knowing the meaning of a strawman fallacy 😂
What is a strawman fallacy?
@@caiminmills2667 when you refute an argument when the premise of the argument is no addressed but replaced with False one.
@@Blackplague689 oh, strawman fallacy! *runs away*
And, actually didn't she use a 'strawman fallacy' in her original accusation when she chose to misinterpret his motivations for opposing abortion? That's how I saw it anyway, but the concept of a strawman fallacy was not in the lexicon when I was her age. Now it seems many who throw it into conversation have done it themselves.
If you think about it, she technically used the straw man fallacy
She doesn’t have the guts to have a real conversation so she throws out a cheap shot at Ben and walks away.
It's what so many lefties do...since they have no rational argument for what they're pushing.
The conversation should be simple. If you don’t like abortion then don’t get one. Nobody should be forcing woman to have children that they don’t want.
@@tysonvslewis12 But we're talking about the murder of another human life. The real solution is not getting pregnant if you don't want to have/raise a baby.
@@kentd4762 that’s not an adult level answer. The fact is that if another adult chooses to have sex and becomes pregnant the choice should be there choice to make. There choice does not affect you at all yet your choice to infringe on there freedom affects them greatly. If you don’t want to have a kid then you can remain celibate if you’d like. Any of us don’t find that kind of restrictive all or nothing kind of life very fun or fulfilling.
@@tysonvslewis12if you have sex, you have already made your choice. Most adults should know the consequences of unprotected sex. At that point it’s no longer about choice, it’s about responsibility and accountability. The adult answer is to take accountability for your actions and be responsible for the literal baby inside of you.
Trust me, having a baby is much more rewarding than an abortion.
Of course she's going to run away, she cannot defend her argument.
She found Ben to smart for her so she had to run lol
Lol
Running away when they don’t have anymore facts to back up what they say or they would just become violent, harrass people, shout at them and say foolish words😂 Sounds like my relatives who are Democrats😅
I would DISOWN them. 🤡☝🏼🤡
I can relate to this all too well man. Every time I discuss politics with my parents I get them to agree with my arguments, because they are rooted in logic. But once they realize that what they just agreed with goes against their own beliefs, they suddenly forget the whole conversation we just had, and they either try to steer the conversation in a completely different direction, or they resort to plain namecalling with no arguments to back it up.
The other day when we were watching something about the US midterms, my mom said to me: "Why are you being so silent?"
I responded with saying something like: "Until you are capable of understanding the basics of a discussion as well as the concept of logic, I see no particular reason to talk to you about politics."
It's sad that it has to be that way, but it is genuinly imposible to argue with someone who, first of all, isn't willing or even capable of changing their mind if it means surrendering to another persons argument. The reason why that is such a big problem in and of itself is just like the example I gave before. Even if you get people to agree with your points, they will still dismiss them in the end, beacuse they are so afffraid to be proven wrong. This mentality is ultimately flawed, however, because it's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's about listining to and learning from each other's perspectives and being open minded to different viewpoints than your own. That doesn't mean you shouldn't call people out on their bullshit. You deffinately should. Just make sure that it actually is bullshit you are calling out and not a valuable lesson like the truth for instance.
@@oskarnellemann5095 truth will always prevail even if it takes pain and suffering
So very true
That’s exactly what democrats do, yes. I would highly question and probably resist your family’s values if I were you.
Preserving human life by supporting Israel? What a joke.
He didn't pull a Straw Man fallacy.
Cathy Newman pulls the Straw Man.
"I don't believe women should be allowed to kill other humans"
*"So what you're saying is.."*
She thanked him for coming and talking to people who have different opinions than his own yet a minute in and she couldn’t do the same. 😅
Par for the course with these morons.
What about him wouldn’t make someone with a critically thinking brain be sick. His voice is an influential one that will no doubt affect many simple people’s opinion, I used to love listening to him when I was younger taking out feminists and others. Now he just seems like a crazy person, it’s highly disappointing, another mouth piece for those that are fodder for the media. One day in America, in perhaps decades, two waves might pass, one might be the decline of the civilised world in North America, the other might be a self awareness we claim to have now, where all will watch back with disgust. And there will be those like the escaped Nazis who hide in sheep’s clothing.
@@naosch94 Are you talking about Ben or the woman?
@@naosch94oh so you went to college and were indoctrinated. Is that what your saying?
@@patrickwalling1636 never went uni, my friends did but they haven’t really become woke so maybe it’s diff here we ain’t in America, I still believe in what I believe, when I wrote that comment tbh It was aggressive towards pro lifers, I apologise for that, I can understand both sides of the argument now. But I am still pro choice and that I won’t apologise for, it’s just what feels right to me as a free individual. I do think that there is a point in the pregnancy when the abortion shouldn’t be done however, like when they have to tear the limbs off, that’s just fucking sick, but I’ve always thought that.
She was so certain of her convections that she had to read it from her phone.
Maybe learn how to spell before posting.
You read my mind
I'm not going to hold it against her that she prepared her question ahead of time. I will hold it against her that she barfed out whatever fallacy claim came to her mind first and then ran away.
I honestly thought she was going to read something that he tweeted but no she either was falsifying information from words that don't exist on a tweet or like you said she wrote something down so she wouldn't forget which to be honest I do see people doing that so they won't forget in the moment basically cue cards there's nothing wrong with that but the likelihood is probably she's reading someone else's words not even her own
@@benjamintherogue2421 she claimed that she was reading something he tweeted and at first I thought that's what she was going to read and asking what did he meant by that because you can only say so many characters in a tweet but no it's obvious that she either falsify the information herself by reading between the lines which there is no lines or she's reading from an article that's not even of her own making again either she's falsifying information but deliberately not using the words he had written or she has no thoughts of her own and is reading someone else's thoughts on a falsified tweet that he made so her making this statement argument comment whatever you want to call it and the first place is a problem alongside calling his argument by using data a straw man fallacy
She doesn't want to argue she just wants to throw a stone and be a coward
And I bet the majority are against the death penalty in prison
she is a coward when confronting with logic.
she definitley is, and it is "'logic" just opinionated logic
What logic?
ah yes, “women shouldnt have control over their bodies” is LoGiC
I love how she was the one doing a straw man fallacy and acused him of doing it
lol what she’s doing is the straw man fallacy. She is twisting his words. He is saying that abortion should be banned because it takes the life of a child. She is saying that he is saying that women shouldn’t have rights, which is NOT what he is saying.
Then they say that Republicans use the straw man fallacy on guns, which is not true. Democrats OPENLY SAY that ALL guns should be BANNED, and VERY FEW say that it should be limited. 84% of Democrats think that all guns should be banned and 76% of Democrats want to completely abolish the 2nd amendment. So Republicans saying that Democrats want to ban guns is not a straw man fallacy, because most democrats DO want to ban guns entirely.
This is unfortunate, but what she meant was, "Your logic is immaterial, compared to the emotional investment I have in my opinion". And really, that's the argument for most woke positions.