MTA Light Rail & Overactive Police
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2012
- More police harassment. I edited most out, to keep a friend who was with me, out of this. To try to explain myself, please understand that I am NOT complaining at all about any security forces asking what I'm doing. My complaint is how the authorities constantly jump to, "give me your credentials", after being told what I am doing. There is nothing wrong, not illegal, for using a camera. There is no reason to require ID. If illegals aren't required to give ID, why am I?????
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How is it illegal to film a train? I think this officer just got bored so he decided to pick on someone.
Nobody said it was illegal. Perhaps something else has happened to damage the railway equipment which they are seeking clues for their investigation. Being a belligerent jerk is not justified!
I wish that they would realize railfans aren't breaking the law!! "Why are you taking our photos?" "For my hobby." Such a jerk.
This community deserves more respect!
"Why do you watch football?"
I love it how he keeps filming the trains right in front of the policeman. Awesome!
I did that once. We had to move, though. So once he told us we had to, I stopped filming.
I hate to see railfans harrased by the public. I was in Santa Barbara waiting for the Coast Starlight when some idiot said "I need a permit to film trains and that its California law" I ignored her and told her i do this for hobby and fun and that there is no law stating I can't film at a PUBLIC railroad station. We need to stand up for this community. Railfans4Life
Caltrain912: You do have a permit........a written permit, signed by "govt officials", The Constitution!
110% agreed
He hd nothing better to do that day and was trying his very best to justify his pitiful job. Very sad. It too bad guys like this give the LEO world a BAD name.
You didn't stand up anything you're an idiot explain anything to the cops you answer questions to a cop you're not defending your rights or anyone else's you're you're an imbecile
I agree. We need to create some kind of movement of sorts to make non railfans and cops understand we are just filming trains for fun and how our hobby is harmless.
I too had a similar incident upon the Stevens Pass Tunnel on the BNSF RR. This was freshly after 911 and I was with my 90+ year old father in law. We all had cameras and we were obviously foamers. Yes we had trespassed on BNSF property to get the shot of the train coming out of the 7 mile tunnel. The officer asked for ID of which we complied. After 2 minutes of trying to be a tough King County sheriff he apologized saying is reasons were to ensure we were not terrorists trying to blow up the tunnel. But he did not stop there. He started sharing stories how he had to do an investigation in the tunnel because one engineer thought he saw a dead body in the tunnel. BNSF shut down the tunnel and purged it with fresh air, a 20 min. process. He drove in using a BNSF track pickup. It turned out to be nothing but a bag of grain. However even with the purge the air was very stale and not pleasant to breathe. The conversation turned out to be very enjoyable and I was glad to be "harassed". Too bad we don't have more cops like this
Lol this is too funny
“Can I have it?”
“No.”
AND YOU GO BACK TO RECORDING THIS IS GOLD LOL
That officer misused his authority, and i loved how you kept your focus and still kept filming!!!
I couldnt stop laughing at 1:55 when he asks "Do you have a date of birth?" like no i dont have a date of birth.....
They never stop the real crime.
Well said!🌉
True. Look at what happened at the Capitol building
Even though this happened about 8 years ago, I'm sorry this happened to you. I hate how cops spend there time interrogating you instead of doing something even more important than this. This is why I'm scared to railfan the NEC right down the street from my house because the Baltimore County PD have a hangout right there and I don't want them thinking I'm going to do anything wrong.
Yep
Why even give them information, your under no legal authority to do so.
Exactly the reason they gave information is cuz they're both imbeciles and sheep
Hiibel Vs. Nevada states that the officer has permission to ask for information.
If you don't give them the information, it falls into a similar situation with pleading the fifth amendment. You can absolutely withhold that information, but it makes you seem more guilty than if you just comply. An officer of the law can deem you non-compliant if you withhold your basic personal information and detain you for that alone, not to mention obstruction of justice and disorderly conduct.
@@PowerTrain611 yeah, let's take it to court & piss off both the DA and the Judge for bringing forth chickenshit cases like this to try. You're never going to convict and you're going to waste the court's time and money, not to mention the efforts of the p.d. and every other public official along the way. Move along, public servant.
@@nowake Mmm. except they can still arrest you for withholding personal information from them. If a cop is in a bad mood, he'll do whatever it takes to get you on his level of despair. you'd be surprised how far they'll go.
If you don't have an endless supply of time and money, sitting in a holding cell until they have thoroughly searched your now confiscated belongings for your ID *begin sarcarsm* and any "weapons" or "drugs" you totally had on you before you got there *end sarcarsm* probably isn't in your best interest.
Why bother to go through all this anyway when avoiding it is as simple as just giving the guy your fucking id card and telling him you're not on private property and filming trains isn't illegal? Everybody gets to go on with their day.
I live in Toronto and regularly film GO Transit, I get stopped all the time by police, while not even on their property!
I understand they are just doing there job, and I respect that, but this is just bullshit!
Good on you for standing up to them!
He was probably watching Breaking Bad, and figured you were researching when the train arrives at a certain point so you can take its Methylamine.
dont give some criminal an idea lol
"Sir can I axe you your name" I would have a field day with that! Lol
This cop makes all other cops look bad.. This guy would give his mom a ticket..
They must not have a lot of crime where you live LOL.
I have only had one incident where Amtrak police question me what I was doing. Apparently the station closes after the last train comes through. I told her I did not see any hours, that I was sorry and that I would be leaving. Once I told her I was only filming trains and I was sorry, she was completely fine with it. She told me to take my time Gathering my equipment and to be safe. What she did is a perfect example of how they should act. With respect and courtesy. I returned the favor by doing the same
I understand the cop was just doing his job but asking you for ID was not necessarily because your ID don't tell you if your a criminal or not. Don't pay attention to these snowflakes in the comment section because you did nothing wrong because my friend loves to take pics of the light rail trains when he visits Baltimore. I support your 1st and 4th amendment as an American. Keep up the good work!!!
Officer, WHAT SPECIFIC LAW am I breaking by standing in public taking pictures?
What, specifically, is ILLEGAL about my current conduct?
He got axed.
as far as they are concerned, everything. they try to come up with some excuse to lock you up for no reason at all.
I hate being harassed. Once I was by my local railroad crossing and some random guy pulls next to me and goes “What are you doing by the railroad tracks?” And I said: “Waiting for that train” which was about a good mile and a half from me going about 30 miles an hour. He says: “That’s dangerous! You can get killed!” And I just wish I could say “Hey Genius! I may be a teen, but I ain’t stupid!” Instead I just said: “I know sir” and he left. I hate how people look at railfans like were aliens or something
"Why do you got to take our pictures?" Terrible question. You walked right into his response. Otherwise, will done.
The cop said he took your photo because "it's my hobby". I would have asked him why he's pursuing his hobby on the people's dime.
As long as your not obstructing traffic, both auto and train, and not causing damage, again to both the road and the track, I dont see whats wrong with rail-fanning honestly. He couldve simply went up to you, asked you what you were doing, said "OK Cool dont do anything illegal" and been on his marry way
***** yes! that is my argument. I have no problem with that at all. But I should not have to provide my license, which so many of these cops immediately request!
Vic Reece that's how the cops near me are
Sometimes rail fans are there at the right to report thieves stealing metal like pulling spikes and fish plates that can cause a derailment if it's not caught and reported in time. That's one of the reasons the railroad doesn't allow trespassers.
The moment before he approached you, he was thinking how his mommy never loved him and how he could never get his daddy's approval. Then ... "I think I will go over and F... with these people to show them how important I am."
Man that sucks. Here in NorCal the Union Pacific police is so nice they gave me and my friend a sicker that had the phone number for the UP police and a picture of a Gevo
What's the speed for the MTA Light Rail trains?
+Trevor Grott
Dude, yeah, you gave him your id. So now you're entered into their computers. And who knows what new laws or background check protocols will come in the future in which this might have some repercussions? I understand what you mean about cooperation, and this is the first time I DIDNT cooperate. If a cop asked or told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it just because he 'asked'? Are cops allowed to ask Hispanics walking down the street for their papers? No. And they're not supposed to be able to require someone to produce ID just for taking photos (video) in public, either.
Its true. It has happen to other people I know that take videos of trains.
Edgar Garcia what's true?
+Edgar Garcia So fucking what ?!
+Mr Spork
prove it
BaltimoreAndOhioRR your dad told me.
I recorded part of that encounter. At first I was nervous and I turned my camera off at first but then turned it back on. He gave me such a bad attitude that my father had to step in and ask why he was being so confrontational towards me. He then left me alone. Get this. When me and my father got off the train the driver yells to me "you have fun!?!?" I mean seriously come on! I'm also upset that I couldn't get any names or numbers to report them because I seriously would have.
As a train crew member myself for CVSR, the only time we would ever report anyone along the guidelines of something like this is if you were literally along our property (I.E. standing in the yard, on our equipment, etc.) without I or maybe a member in charge's expressed permission. But, you were just standing along a public road. Clearly the officer had little to no knowledge of merely the word, "trespassing" and was just simply trying to earn his monthly quota. Happens a hell of a lot in Baltimore; which is most definitely one of the many main reasons why I escaped to Valley View.
I was on vacation in San Antonio taking pictures and bike cops bum rushed me said
i was taking pictures TOURIST TAKING PICTURES UNLAWFUL!.
"Im just taking pictures, I'm a hobbiest" - officer overreaction
not really
I have to imagine the dispatchers in these cases get these calls from cops and transit workers and must think, "what are you doing that you have so much spare time in your day that you have time to bother people." This makes no sense.
So what was the outcome from this event?
"What happens if i dont?" "Well, the railroad gets sued."
@Trevor Grott
And you need to learn the meaning of the word, "oblivious".
I got busted by railroad police for doing this too
The guy in this video is a railroad police officer, which means he is basically a special agent and has jurisdiction in the entire state in which the railroad operates. Thats something a lot of railfans don't realize. Plus, if you get all defensive way to fast, it just makes the officer more annoyed and usually more suspicious of you. Im a former law enforcement explorer, and have friends that are RR Police. I agree that RR PD needs better training in dealing with railfans however.
What was the outcome of this Dave?
This is stupid. Taking pictures or video is not a crime. He can ask you why and you can answer if you'd like, but unless he had specific reason to further the investigation he should have just left. Cooperating is still in the best interest, but remember to go through the right channels to file a complaint if you need too.
Terrorists and criminals do it to case the trains so they know where to strike
I had the cops called on me because someone said I was stealing the bolts from the tracks so I had to explain to the cop that I was just filming them
''Stealing the bolts'' some people.
It’s annoying when stuff like that happens. I’ve had Amtrak police tell me to back away from the tracks on the nec when I was on the platform of the Marc station and in sitting on the seat. Cops can be jerks sometimes
One time I got caught by a Police while looking for trains that I’m looking for Train Signals for Red, Yellow, and Green Light
1:58 - 2:48
TRYNA CATCH THAT PIKACHU
As soon as he said "Ax you your name" instead of "ask" he forfeited any authority in any situation.
It’s just an accent chill out
@@BAS19.6 Who axed you?
Axed me to do what?
This happened to me on February 21, 2022, when taking pictures of one of the GP9's in New Freedom PA, and fortunately, I didn't get in trouble. The Cops actually did enjoy learning and other railroad facts like GP and SD engines
That's good!
Honestly, I didn't know it was illegal to take pictures of trains. He did say, "I have individuals videotaping the light rail train" like it was a crime?
This popped back up in my feed from your recent like of my past comment. I'm a police officer now and have 2nd hand embarrassment from this officers conduct.
Thanks. As I said in some other comments, I'm also embarrassed of my self. I would try to be much better-spoken and diplomatic if it ever happened again. We both should have done better.
I wish I could play GTA with that cop.
love it
I hate when I have to leave from Truckspotting or Railfanning most of the time it is Truckspotting cause I live by a busy road and get trucks to honk a lot when I get ugly stares I get nervous that someone would call the cops on me so I go into my house and pray to have no police searching for me
Overall I don't agree with defunding the Police, but they definitely need to defund that Jackwagon crew...
This police officer better start doing his real job! catch crookes.
Interesting to see this sort of thing is happening in the US too! This is happening more and more over here in the UK, particularly in London & the South East. With us, it's security staff that are more the issue rather than the police. It's really spoiling the hobby.
Where was this taken?
Water view. Baltimore city, md
that's near the home depot and the dump in bmore correct? anyways yah I had the same run in not same cop, but it sucks. Amtrak has also not been making it any easier because of there see something say something program I have had cops called on me twice at penn station. the struggle of a railfan is real bro
Yep after 911 Railfanning has been a poor hobby and this is proof
How is taking pictures of trains a problem?
Assumed profiling for terrorism. If they record names, and a terrorist action or odd accident occurs with the commuter rail, these guys would be pulled in for questioning. Thus the photo. However the cop's response to that question was witty and well deserved.
Photography in general is a crime if a cop can see you!
when you asked why do u have to take pictures and then the officer said "for my hobby" that pissed me off so freakin much
When my family first moved to Yale Heights in 1964 and I had some nearby tracks for train watching, what later became the Goodwill store was a Western Auto distribution center and they were still receiving boxcar loads of goods. Probably the siding is still buried in the brush behind the building, if the bldg hasn't been razed.
I went there as a kid too, it's now a public storage building. (Entirely new building)
A true railfan, always making sure he has the train in the shot. Good work!
I live in Baltimore and ride the Light Rail frequently. I've never seen them act like this. Over a train though, that's a bit excessive in my opinion. Wow, I didn't know the MTA police were THIS bored to investigate someone filming a train. Shame....
MTA Police??? This is not NY
@@najthesavior4286 Sir, did you happen to notice the title of this video? It's called " MTA light rail and over active police ". Their agency is called the Maryland Transit Administration. So, MTA police is CORRECT!!! Have a wonderful day!!!
I've been stopped by RR police before, but got a different reaction than this cop gave you. Once he saw my scanner and camera, He figured I was a railfan witch I told him I am. We did talk and he gave me safety material to read and share. My guess is to why he approached me was that I was parked on an access road used by the RR, to which he had no objections on me using, as I still use the same spot to this day with no trouble.
That officer looks ab fab with his rolled up sleeve ...
Harassment that's what they should charge that cop with. Take it to a lawyer simple. You'll be out in the streets in no time flat
Police in the UK are relaxed about train spotting and videos but quite often I get harassed by the public
"I do not answer questions" Period. End of discussion. Demand his supervisor and give him the angst he wanted to give you.
On a brighter note, that horn sound made me lol
I realize this is a couple of years ago. However, this still makes my blood boil. Your on public property, you are not causing any kind of commotion, other than what's inside some goofballs head. I'm sorry, I am a retired railroader and I do a lot of videoing and taking photos. I would never volunteer any more information than my first name. End of story.
Photography is not a crime! My dad Jawtooth has to deal with this same stuff on a regular basis. When will ppl learn?
Your dad is Jawtooth!?
i wonder when cops take pic of ppl are they public record or not
Rail fans are the hidden gems in this country and people don’t know our community nor appreciate us
God's Country...Kloman Street. Right next to the gem stone Cherry Hill.
🤣
This cops/pigs hobby is looking at his phone and hasn't got a clue!!!
I was being quiet while I was record trains in Maryland!!!!!! and I was piece of quiet!
An LEE is a program that opens up training and hands-on learning to teenagers on what its like to be a police officer, as at one point my goal was to become a railroad cop. At least here on the west coast, UP and BNSF, as well as Muni and BART police's jurisdiction extends in the same state of which they work. As I understand it, yes, this guy could pull you over and question you 15 miles from the railroad. He could also then get in trouble for not taking police action if he didn't.
Nothing to see here....just another affirmative action hire with an IQ of 80 hassling a law abiding citizen.
People with cars can film from inside too and actually could hide dangerous things in the vehicle but no one even think abou it , but for some psychological reason dont know why a walking person becomes more suspicious and are more susceptible to harassment specially by untrained close minded little racist like this one..
most of that is true, but you have to be fair, he wasnt being a racist
Im glad it wasnt like that then , Very interesting you documented todays trains so young people 100 years from now might be able to enjoy your kool footage just like we watch vintage videos today..
Hello BaltimoreAndOhioRR, Thank you for this video. Was there any follow up by the police? Best wishes.
yes, its a long story and ive explained it in other comments below. basically nothing happened. the police claimed they were investigating a robery. they assured me my info was not saved. (although i didnt give it to them, they ran my plates)
BaltimoreAndOhioRR, Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. Great videos!
I have had the police ask me what I am doing while railfanning but both times they have been cool about it.
Name and number ? That's messed up the come asking right of way what your name is like it was in nazi Germany ,
Papers? Your Papers??
Wow......Ahhh.....Cops are a bad thing these days...Especially that one, Some don't deserve there badges...I just started a new MTA series and I was in that same situation xD The cop that told me off was stupid, He told me that filming the Lightrail was "Illegal" LOL
TrainExpert8888 Really? When did that happen? After this incident, I received a letter from a Sargeant, or Commissioner, or whoever was the head of the MTA light rail authority - I can't remember his title - assuring me that as long as I wasn't trespassing, filming the trains was totally legal. Yes, cops do seem to be bad these days. 'Terrorism' and' Homeland Security' are drilled into their heads every minute, mix that with the type-A personality which is generally a pre-requisite for becoming a cop in the first place, and many seem to believe they have total authority to dictate to every citizen what he can and can't do, regardless of legalities.
It happened about....2/14/12
TrainExpert8888 oh, so that was a while ago... just a little bit before this. I guess that's what they were doing back then...
Yeah.
UA-cam is marking all my videos inappropiate, Do you know why?
correct me if I am wrong but it said police transit administration on his badge right? well then he is impersonating a police officer as he has ZERO legal authority off of the transit property and even when on it all he can legally do is ask someone to leave.
I'm glad you kept showing us the train
I’m a light rail operator and it’s all about security. Especially since 911 people take pastures and video to learn and figure out system operations and other details. Before planning terrible acts so don’t take it personal it’s about keeping people safe if you see something strange say something.
What part of "NOT ILLEGAL" don't you fucking understand?!?
put on a turban,a fake beard,and some robes,and a prayer rug. the cop wont bother you then..
What police force was this?
I still can't find the G-D button you're referring to. What is the user ID? Anyway, you can find the article by googling "Sunpapers", MTA, photos... Damn why do they always have to CHANGE everything online and screw it all up??
Cops get wayyyyy too pissy when you pull out a camera. Some folks even get shot by 'em for it under certain circumstances.
What happened in the end
this guy left, we talked to a couple detectives, and all was well. shortly afterwards, i received in the mail a letter from the chief of mta assuring me that my info would not be saved (and explaining that they were working on a case as being the reason for the questioning), although i have a feeling it was just their way of letting me know they knew who i was (i never gave them my info).
Is it illegal to video tape trains? I do this all the time
Anyone hear that CSX train in the background at the end?
Lol I did
I love how you kept filming the train right in front of the cop.
Also he was looking a score hit for his Sgt to say how many people he can tally for his shift?
If a cop tries taking my picture and I have committed no crime he will have "the bird" centered in the frame.
Please tell me you as a result got a penalty?
Great post, you might find however after a very detailed examination of a DMV application for any type of ID, you have more requirements to show ID than you might realize. Hence the reason I don't have any DMV issued ID, because I don't agree to the terms on the application. Thanks for posting and setting a good example of being polite, calm and articulate. Kudos.
That isn't true. You are never required to proivide ID unless you are detained with reasonable suspicion and in many states you don't have to provide ID until you are under arrest.
AFreedomLovingTexan You are correct that you don't by law have to provide ID, you are also protected by the 4th amendment. However in CA when you sign a DMV application you waive 4th amendment protections and you also agree to present an ID anytime it is requested (the wording changed from 'required' to 'requested' a few years ago). An officer is under no obligation to detain you or arrest you before obliging you to produce ID. Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution is a double edged sword, where the state may not impair contracts, even the bad ones such as a govco application.
coreyeib"You are correct that you don't by law have to provide ID, you are also protected by the 4th amendment. However in CA when you sign a DMV application you waive 4th amendment protections and you also agree to present an ID anytime it is requested (the wording changed from 'required' to 'requested' a few years ago). An officer is under no obligation to detain you or arrest you before obliging you to produce ID."
Well, first of all something that is written on a paper you sign when you get your license doesn't overrule the constitution.
Second if there is no law or penalty for not presenting your driver's license when asked how can you say that a person is obliged to show it? What happens if they don't?
Third, those first two points don't really even matter because the Supreme Court has ruled in Delaware v. Prouse that the police can't demand your license without reasonable suspicion in addition the Terry v. Ohio ruling that the police cannot detain you without reasonable suspicion. In addition, the court makes clear that a person is not obligated to identify to police unless the are detained with reasonable suspicion and the particular state has a law requiring a person to identify when lawfully detained.
Lastly, how do you think an officer would force you to identify yourself without detaining you first? If you aren't detained you can just walk away. So they would be like "show me your ID" and you would just walk away. They can't stop you from leaving (lawfully) without reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Okay I know this video is a few years old but here my two cents as a railfan and a leo I think that officer was just looking for someone to give a citation and last time I check there no laws saying you can film a train at a public railroad crossing I can see if it was on railroad property/private hopefully that officer actually grew a little
ok he films a train whats the cops think hes doing can you tell me that
What a stupid cop for doing that to you, id put him on administrative leave or fire him if I were his boss. That’s unprofessionalism right there, why in the freaking universe would a cop do that and ask for ID? That cop is absolutely crazy, and in my opinion, he didn’t have right or probable cause to do that to you in the traffic stop circumstance
once I was filming at my normal spot and remember I have done this 100+, so I see the headlight of the train coming, but then someone calls me in Bc they thought I was gonna kill myself on the train?!?
I told them that i was just filming the train and they said that people over here tried to commit commonly and I was surprised Bc I go there every time where NYAR runs so
Lol, I keep getting recommend your old videos. also, why would he stop you, Railfanning/Trains are one of the biggest Love and Passion for people.
Thx for watching my older videos!
@@BaltimoreAndOhioRR Any video of yours is good!
The only thing you had to say is "Am I being detained, am I free to go".
ctfd4106 that is true, but I didn't want to leave. I was waiting for a train on the tracks behind me (filming light rail in the meantime)
Under normal circumstances, the officer taking YOUR picture is a violation , and should be subject to legal response, there a re numerous lawsuits for Police seizing your Pictureand entering it into their computers. if the Officer has grounds to arrest you then and only after the arrest do they get to take / seize your picture, and then NOT on their PERSONAL CELL / camera. Only cameras that are used & maintained for EVEDENCE collection may be ysed to take EVIDENCE PICTURES. file a FOIL request for those pictures and watch the police officer LIE and say they were not taken.
orc313 I have not heard that.