Analogue Pocket vs Gameboy Classic sound test (LSDJ)
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2021
- I kept getting asked to do a side-by-side, comparison so here it is: Analogue Pocket x Prosound DMG (with backlight installed) synced via Gameboy link cable, playing the same song in LSDJ while using the Dirtywave M8 as an audio interface into my computer.
In my opinion they sound incredibly close. There's a small difference in noise/freq range clarity as you might expect when dealing with brand new hardware vs 30 year old tech, but it's no different that the difference you would expect when comparing two different models of actual Gameboys, or even the same model Gameboy with different CPU revisions.
Analogue did a helluva job with the accuracy on this. It gets my official seal of approval!
Full song here: / see-you-there
"Here's an audio comparison between two Game Boys"
*drops the best chiptune you've ever heard*
The music is so good! You're such a talented LSDJ creator!
I do LSDJ too, and I really like what I make. But your sounds are definitely richer than mine
DMG has those squelchy highs that I crave. the lead is the only thing that feels more pushed into the mids on the pocket vs the DMG. but it really just feels like a different mix. so close in fact when i close my eyes I cannot tell. label me impressed with the pockets sound quality . dope track by the way.
o/ yooooo
DMG also had lots of difference between units. Single unit could sound different than the other one.
This track hits all of the right spots, so good
I got lost in the song and forgot why I came to the video in the first place. Fantastic job
Bro how can you achieve such beautiful compression, sidechain, basses and mixing on LSDJ! Incredible for real
Volume is key! Your WAV channel should be the loudest channel imo
They are same except the Pocket a little cleaner because of the modern DAC and the high quality components! FPGA (open Fpga) on pocket is a win
Sounds closer than I thought it would
To me it really only sounds like a slightly different EQ, I don't notice any difference in quality. also btw, the track you're playing is dope!
edit: actually the pocket might sound a little clearer at certain points, but I think you'd be hard pressed in a blind test to tell the difference
If I had done this blind I would not be able to to tell you which is which. In my books, that's a win for the sound check. Cheers!
Nice comparison. Sounds like the Pocket is upsampling (cleaner top end) or maybe just modern converters sounding sharper.
EDIT: Very nice tune!
I didn't consider that it may be upsampling, i just figured it had a much nicer dac. Definitely something worth asking about!
And you got the m8 as well! Tracker life!
Very usefull comparative. The song is awesome!
The analogue sounds a little bit clearer on the pulses, but it's so negligible that i would use it 10/10.
so nice, I love this video!
Nice, finally got my M8 and put in for the Pocket.
Sick, I so want the pocket!
I know this is a sound test but damn guy did you have to go that hard?
It's what I do 😎
Killer tune!
thank you for this
Wow so cool song. Love it
Thank you!!!
i dont know what this black sorcery is but i stayed for the banging nostalgic music!
There is a difference but youtube audio is not Hi-Res Lossless
thanks for this
When looking away I could hardly tell on laptop speakers. Have to give it another listen in hedphones.
where can i listen to the song by itself? sounds so dope
Link is in the description! Thanks!!
How much space does the average LSDJ song take up in terms of kilobytes?
Blind test:
Original has more fatness. 10/10
Even though the Analogue is flawless it is thinner in comparison.
How would you say the M8's internal synths compare in recreating sounds from LSDJ compared to the Analogue Pocket?
Analogue Pocket is Hardware replication, so the sound is 99% accurate. M8 can make chiptune, but is not an LSDJ emulator, however it is capable of getting pretty close. The biggest difference is it uses a different math to generate noise, resulting in different sounds, but it can emulate most typical LSDJ stuff. See: ua-cam.com/video/vfnNq52Vfi0/v-deo.html for a better reference. Cheers!
Hi this is my favourite song from you will it be reuploaded to soundcloud since it was taken down?
Hi sorry I haven't paid for my Soundcloud pro account in a while. Give me some time and I'll try to get it back up for you :)
This is probably an insane ask and totally respect if the answer no, but would you ever consider sharing one of your track files/saves for LSDJ? I'm getting a hang of LSDJ right now, and a resource that I think would be infinitely helpful would be an example file of a song of this caliber to noodle around with and see how tricks are used.
Sadly this song was written with a decade-old version of LSDJ that simply does not work on modern iterations, so it would not be helpful at all as most of the sound design is broken.
@@mikey303 fair enough, appreciate you answering :). Probably obvious but absolutely love the track
@@pleasetellmeitworksHi! Are you still interested? I can help you to find some projects that were kindly shared by chiptune musicians.
@@phorz1463 hi! I'm not the OP, but would be cool fren
@@user-cr4vp3ew9khi! For example look for S_TN. He has saves on his band camp.
The literal only place i hear a difference is on the low end bloops and blops on what i assume is the wave channel.
Its very slightly more compressed sounding, with less tin echo to it.
Without hyperfocusing on it it would be impossible to notice.
Now lets see the same comparison with a SID and an OPL and their fake variants..
what is that thing above everything that looks like a number pad with a screen?
It is the Dirtywave M8, a handheld music tracker. Please see the rest of the videos on my channel for reference 😌
Generally I prefer the game boy but there are some spots where the other one sounds better! Song is crazy btw
DMG pushes the mid a little bit more, but I'm impressed with Analogue (everything by them).
What program is that running on the pocket
Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what I saw and heard: the right volume nob is all the way down, so the GBC shouldn't be outputting any sound. When he turned off the sound at the end, the slider was on the GBC, meaning the GBC should've been making the noise. But rather, he turned off the sound we were hearing from the Pocket. So, the center mixer thing doesn't work and all the sound was the same, all from the Pocket. Also, the music was in perfect sync, where I'd expect some difference in beat timing, since both devices were likely not started right at the exact same time. Again, just what I saw and heard.
I'll reiterate what I said to another commenter who had a similar observation:
The bottom right knob that is all the way down is for the headphone out, not the input volume of the device. The top knob on this mixer is the input gain, which you can see both at unity gain (12 o'clock). You can see when the crossfader goes back and forth that the volume is mixing from one device to the other. Sometimes when I am crossfading, right in the middle, the entire song gets louder because you are hearing both devices at the same time.
The music is in fact in perfect sync, because they are using the gameboy link cable to trigger them both at the exact same time. However the fact that you thought it was only the pocket on the left playing music the whole time says a LOT about its accuracy. Cheers!
@@mikey303 I appreciate you replying! Yes, the output does sound very very similar then. Thank you. I know the speaker output is much different, between the two, with the Pocket having louder upper frequencies (brighter). I hope somebody can find a good aftermarket set of little speakers and let everyone know what they are, so we can do a mod to make them sound warmer, like original Nintendo hardware speakers. Heck, maybe replace them with original OEM speaker replacements? I know the amp can cause coloration to sound too, but the right speakers should do the trick.
@@TheHighestGodisGood I suspect the brightness is less because of the speakers themselves and more because the device itself has a much cleaner throughput overall. High quality components + modern DAC means the final audio is considerably cleaner. It also appears that the noise shaping is modeled off of the Gameboy Color's CPU as opposed to the DMG as there are some very particular sounds that I noticed in the Pocket's playback that the DMG lacks, and those same sounds are heard when using BGB emulator in GBC mode (BGB has near-perfect audio emulation).
@@mikey303 That's true, upper shelf components, for a cleaner, pure sound. Maybe some top shelf speakers that are a little warmer would sound better? Not sure they make reference quality monitor speakers that size... I have a recording studio and have recorded with some big shots, so I love getting the sound dialed ;) You know... your next video should be recording the speaker output of the DMG, GBC, Advance, and the Pocket with a boutique mic and signal chain, and run it through a spectrum analyzer, seeing exactly where the frequency changes are and by what db! Then, do a video on buying a bunch of Amazon speakers and showing your testing, until you match high quality aftermarket speakers with the sonic graph of the original. That'd be sweet!!! You would start a mod that would probably blow up on channel views. Be the first ya know.
That's a cool idea. Something like that will take some time, money, and research 😅 I'll have to stew on it as I got a lotta projects in my plate already. Cheers!!
Did you use any samples here? Do they sound the same between the two systems in LSDJ as well?
I didn't use any samples in this song. I do recall there being some audible difference between sample quality but it's about the same as the difference between a DMG and a GBC.
@@mikey303 Yeah, I'm just wondering if there's *reallty* a difference or if there's just an audiophile difference. I don't care for the latter :P
@@SpeldosaMusik for the record I performed live with LSDJ for over ten years and I was more than satisfied with how the analogue pocket sounded when I used it live. Cheers!!
@@mikey303 I'm thinking about taking the dive and buy the Analogue Pocket for some music making (and occasional gaming on the side maybe). If you say you were happy with it, that's good enough for me :)
might be placebo seeing the video, but I cant help but feel like the DMG sounds warmer and more "2D" if that makes sense? the Emulated one sounds a bit Cleaner and more poppy to me.
I imagine the DAC on the pocket is way cleaner so you're missing a lot of the "charm" that you get from the DMG headphone hum-- also the noise channel is modeled after the Gameboy Color which is distinctly sharper as well. Also after more investigation I found that the Pocket handles audio samples differently as well, so it's not perfect. I'd give it a 90% accuracy, which is good enough for pretty much anyone who isn't paying super close attention (like us 😛)
Cheers!!!
how do you synchronize both consoles to play at the same time?
I used a link cable.
@@mikey303 ohh it works the same for the analogue pocket?
they sound completly different ! track is good,a lot of work, respect
how did you get lsdj on the analogue pocket?
I'm using an EMS GB 64M flash cart!
@@mikey303Thanks!
song sounds so great
i wish i had a sav file so i could wrap my head around how you did it 😭
ive been messing with lsdj for years and always scrap my "songs" lol onwards and upwards bb
I might be able to do that. Haven't touched these savs in over half a decade so not sure how well organized the project file is so i may need to clean it up 😇
@@mikey303 HELL YA
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i appreciate the help with the chiptune stuff, i have some good ideas, i just have a hard time with the lsdj constraints themselves and translating them into working tracks lol
cheers
As someone with a budget phone with a mono rear speaker who doesn't know a thing about the intricacies of the Game Boy sound chip nor the Analogue Pocket emulation, and who's not a musician.
I have to say that I feel absolutely NO difference, no matter how hard I try.
Is it just me or does the noise channel sound slightly "wrong" on the pocket?
It's definitely a smidge different, I think mostly because the noise behavior is based on the gbc cpu which is ever so slightly different than the dmg. Funny enough, the pocket sounds closer to my original intention when I programmed this song via BGB (gb emulator with 99.99% accurate sound)
Hi Mikey. Seen you like the KP3 and DJ controller. Did you ever try one of these ua-cam.com/video/uqoPsBIEVp0/v-deo.html . You can use external audio for the left/right and has a KaossPad in the middle
That's super neat! I actually used to use a Korg KM-402 for a very long time which was a DJ mixer with a KP2 integrated into it. If only they made a version with XLR on the master out!
@@mikey303 Yea. The whole product line is RCA for DJs. Tried ua-cam.com/video/8-B4cBgs5Ck/v-deo.html ? Seems the best of the bunch
I'm going to ask a dumb question here but what's better, M8 or a gameboy and LSDJ?
Not a dumb question, but not a fair question either. It's like asking what is better for painting, a canvas with oils or an ipad with procreate. Both are very, VERY capable, but one is far more limited in what can be done. But is that necessarily a bad thing? It really depends on what you want to do, and what tools you need. LSDJ is a chiptune music tracker. M8 is a music tracker that can make chiptune. I hope that makes sense!
@@mikey303 Understood, thanks for the answer. Sounds like the M8 is more my jam :)
So why he not use game boy to show difference? The right side items volume is all the way down, the track is only started on the left console. No context or comparison is made so what’s the point here
What are you talking about? On the right side, the volume that is all the way down is for the headphone out. The top knob on this mixer is the input gain. You can see when the crossfader goes back and forth that the volume is mixing from one device to the other. Sometimes when I am crossfading, right in the middle, the entire song gets louder because you are hearing both devices at the same time.
However the fact that you thought it was only the pocket on the left playing music the whole time says a LOT about its accuracy. Cheers!