The New MPC's DO NOT sounds as GOOD as Older MPC's???
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
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My clear verdict: I am soooo glad that the new MPCs do NOT sound like the old MPCs. Reason: While the old MPCs had "their sound" you were stuck with that special sound and had no chance to change it. So if you didn't like the 12bit vibe for example you were out of luck. The new MPCs sound clean and really nice and there are enough tools in the standalone MPC even to change the sound any way you want. If that's not enough, then get some outboard gear. The world is you oyster. That said you can change the sound to whatever you like. If you like the 2k sound so much, then f-ing get a 2k. If you like 60 sound, then get a 60. If you want analog sound, then get some analog gear. If you can't make your sound the way you like it, then think about getting some lessons on how to work with sound and how to process it. Such discussions are boring and don't lead anywhere imho.
preach brother!
I"m with ya. I'll take the clean sound. And then dirty it up depending on the project.
Class compliant USB means bring your own converters!. Plug in a Tascam Model 12/24 into USB and you get many channels with analog. Im sure Behringer could easily clone the 60/3000 amp circuit of old if there is such demand.
Facts
I agree with you. If you love the 2kxl sound, get a 2kxl. I did. If you love the 60 sound get a 60, and I will at some point. If you love the 3000 swing, get a 3000. I do and I did. More than complain about a MPC not sounding how you want, if you know which sound you like just get the one that has that sound. That ends the debate lol
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😊Youngn's don't understand gear based/standalone outside the computer whether the old samplers, synths, making your own samples on outboard gear.......some samplers outside the SP1200 and MPC60 were rackmount Gemini 12 bit DS824 and 1224 you sampled off Technics 1200's and Gemini 1800's rackmount effects processors with Fostex and Tascam 4 track recorders then ....it was all standalone back in the day. Roger Linn put it on deck LM-1 then the Linn drum 1982 then........... the MPC 60........it's the whole hip hop genre and love it!
I have a theory, that the reason older machines sound fatter is because they are using 2 mono sources for stereo output as opposed to “stereo” sound sources. I think this creates like chorus effect but without the phase issue. The reason I say this is because when I sample into my iPad and use two mono sources instead of a stereo source I noticed it sounded a thicker even when a level matched them. I checked the phase and everything seemed good. Now it just a theory so don’t come at me lol
Can you make a short video for that? Would be interested in that take
this is definitely worth investigating
100%. There is no magic chip or circuit board, the resistors and capacitors in the circuits werent special.
What was different across the early generations to now was the data storage mediums, their capacities and the sample rates and frequencies.
The scarcity of memory on earlier units made sampling to mono a forgone conclusion in most cases and the presentation of a sound in L + R mono vs true Stereo is night and day.
Mono tends to sound denser and each sound is more rigidly compartmentalized in the soundscape
Stereo by contrast allows for a more 3 dimensional sound where a single sample's waveform is spread over the soundscape where the "whole" sound exists as two unique, non-identical signals representing the same source
Also worth noting is the sources of samplea that older machines saw fed into them. 2000XL existed in the time when cassette had ruled and CD was now the primary audio medium. MP3 arrives soon after/around this en masse.
MP3 is a notoriously poor format for sound quality retention.
Now we got people sampling from all manner of digital sources of unknown bitrates/sample rates
When the 60 and the 3000 were more or less current it is likely that much of the sampling done on them came from old records and vinyl is among the best of mediums for retaining the full spectrum of the sounds recorded on them just as a feature of how sound is recorded on them
Older machine have more analog circuits
I was an Engineer through the end of the Analog phase , into the beginning of the Digital Phase of music, from about 2004 to 2015....You notice the changes in sound , when you think of the Hardware production , vs the Software production.. Now speaking in terms of these Newer MPC Pieces of Hardware, you are correct when you say that , the Newer MPC's still sound better than the Software DAWS.... Its just that Analog Circutry ... The digital phase just won't create the same sounds as Analog... that Warmth of the Analog is just something else... In todays day its all about the Workflow that the people like... and I definitely get that.. hell I love it for everyone... .But that Analog sound is just "music to the ears" ... Prime example is the MPC 3000... you ask producers around the world who have worked with the 3000, and as an engineer, that 3000 was so much fuller than ALL the models... I could tell when a beat was made from a 3000 for a mixing session , before I added anything through protools.... I understand that a lot of the newer generation , might not have started out with the older hardware so they get a little hurt when told what sounds better.... and honestly its not to crap on what's out now... whats out now is respected .. it's just to give a bit of history
100% agree I have both the X and the 3000. It is not just the MPC it is the romplers and live instruments too... there is no way anyone can tell me soft synths sound better than a live Moog. When you hear the sound of the bass coming out the speakers the warmth just hits different.
Have to question this. The ‘digital phase’ of music started way earlier than 2004. Lots of records in the 80s were recorded digitally with digital sound sources. Every sampler ever made is a digital device. The 3000 has a lower bit rate and sampling rate than newer devices which gives it that crunch. To be fair, I’m sure the AD stage might be better quality than newer MPCs. But essentially anyone using ANY MPC is as ‘digital’ as someone using a DAW with an audio interface. There are different grades of digital conversion and that is what is at play in the difference between MPCs. The beatmaking process and the swing is different, but again this is all digital.
Had the 3000. Never thought it sounded better. Sounded good though. No sample time and Maschine is more convenient. If you are going for the exact same sound, OK. I don't get it though. It is the man and not the choice of machine.
I’ve been using Fl studio for 13+ years now, I’ve have had the mpc 500 for about 5 years. I’m definitely going back towards the older analog stuff
I believe that making the music at the time with what available is where the focus should be. Sound quality while can make the difference its still a lower level conversation to nit pick about.
It's a miracle that Akai even made stand alone units after 2009 . With the rise of DAWs and a long financial recession around that time , things could have turned out much differently . dawless for life SA
they just put the DAW in the hardware 🤷🏻 $$$$$$$$
STANDALONE AND DAWLESS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
@@miscmisc1023 if someone has a hardware only studio based around a modern standalone MPC, would you consider that Dawless? I'm not asking to challenge your opinion. I'm not sure if the MPC, running what's essentially the MPC Software in the unit, "qualifies" as DAWless
@@avace917 the definition of a daw is a digital audio workstation so the 2000 xl is technically a daw
@@miscmisc1023 interesting. I guess you're right. I always thought a DAW music software specifically with a computer meaning Mac or PC. Software that you treat like a multi track recorder. But just by definition, I can see why you view the MPCs as DAWs. I personally didn't up until now. Having said all of that, the newer MPCs (One, Live, X, etc) are definitely DAWs. I just never really thought of them that way. Peace
New MPC line is dope af. Period.
Roger linn hasn’t touched an mpc since the 3000! People said the same thing 25 yrs ago when the 2000 came out. How it didn’t sound the same. Now people praise the “sound” of the 2000 and the XL lol!
So all those swizz beats records don’t “hit as hard” because he used a 2000xl?
Basically people are allowing nostalgia to hit them on the head. If you’ve been around this long enough you know it’s just people’s minds playing tricks on them.
The reality is all the records you hear are mixed on desks. You almost NEVER hear the true sound of any gear on a record. So whatever sauce you think is there is not really in the machine itself.
Mpc is about workflow. That’s the magic. And probably timing, how rigid it was compared to computers. But that’s about it.
Also, was roger linn responsible for the converters on the 3000? I’d imagine they just used what was around at the time. A lot of those parts are just off the shelf components. It’s not magic.
Facts, all facts!
I remember when the 2000/2000xl came out, everyone was like "it sound cold/sterile/lifeless/bad". Then the 1000 and 2500, same thing. Then the 5000, then the 4000. Same thing, when they came out "they sound bad". Now people say the 2000 and xl sound warm?
Yoooooo. This is so true. They said the 2000XL was trash for 15 years 😂
2000 is a great box but it’s not warm .. it’s transparent
The regular MPC 2000 sounded good, the XL did not sound as good, the 2500 and the 1000 was a step below the XL and the 4000 was great, it was just different but high quality. All MPCS before the regular 2000 were great.
@@dariusmines it was compared to the ones before it just shows how the sound diminished overtime
Akai seems to be focused on workflow, which I can’t lie the new line of MPC”s are much easier to navigate through.
To use the new MPCs for Me would not improve My workflow because I'd be using it with a computer and if I'm doing that then I might as well just stick the the MPK249.
@@HOLLASOUNDS that’s definitely a good point bro, however with a lot of the recent units like the MPC Live II or the X Or X Se you don’t need a computer to run them. The units have enough sounds to get you through gigs trust me. Nevertheless you make a good point and I love these platforms so we can continue these conversations.
@@jroane87 True but to Me the new MPC devices are no different then FL studio or Logic mobile they are full DAWs optimised for tutch screan.
i dont think i use my MPC one like most people , i use it like a multi track tape machine , i bring in different tracks from the multitrack to make my music , to me it works great and i love mine , its helped me so much to create my music because i get the workflow , 3 albums in and 2 more on the way , i am not bothered about sample aliasing and bit rates , ill leave that to the hip hop guys , im just happy to have a machine that helps me create whats in my head and make some music
This is what I don't get about all the fussing. The analog sound of the old MPC's was more about the technology that was available in that era. Most of those machines have 16bit converters, in our current age it would be a big step backwards to downgrade your converter to 16bit. I recommend that we all do our research on how to get the same feel.... with what we have. It's about noise harmonics.. once you understand that you can recreate it using plugins. Preamps, compressors, limiters the core of them contain a low level amount of noise on top of what they are designed to actually do. The plugins of today do a very good job at mimicking this noise. I would hate to see people go out and buy gear not really knowing what it does. Those 500 series modules are just as expensive when you have to buy 2 of them each to be able to run stereo. Also I think if Akai contracted with someone to upgrade the converters it's going to add to the cost of manufacturing the machine as well as licensing the tech for the converters. Akai is a business.... they are going to do what makes financial sense to be able to make profit. Adding tubes and circuits or even trying to downgrade converters to support that would be crazy expensive.
Bolo: Go get this MPC at zzounds, no credit check. Go get your dept bro. Everybody got debt now, just go get your debt.
You struggling and dreaming about beat making? Your daughter got to eat? You were just fired? no problem just go get your debt.
Because these units sound so DOPE. You CAN'T get this magical sound "coming out of those analog outputs" from just buying a laptop with a daw for a third of the price.
It's that magical cumbersome MPC workflow where you have to load samples in to memory instead of just dragging and dropping them into your daw that makes everything sound magically good. The actual pain in the SSA of the MPC workflow, waiting seconds to load a patch is what makes it sound so good!
The reason so many hits were made with MPC's is because that's what was available at the time. They didnt have cracked FLStudio, kontakt, omnisphere and such...
The reason the roger linn MPC sounded the way it did is because it was a 12bit sampler.
Don't get caught up in the hype.
I feel ya.. but you gotta look a both sides. I’ve used everything as stated in this video. My biggest hit came from Logic… but it took me a lot longer to get the sound I actually wanted. Hence, I had to run tracks through my mpc2500. However, we are making the track only took me eight minutes to make the beat. The workflow part was great, but the overall sound wasn’t. So I totally understand both sides. My thing is I’m fine with how the units sound and the workflow, even though I know that they could possibly sound better. But, I know that will come with an increase in price. You kind of feel what I’m saying?
It ain't what you use, it's the way that you use it.
As someone who's been buying MPC units since 1991, starting with the 60ii, which I still have, - along with my MPC 2000xl SE1, ASQ-10, S950 x2, S3200xl x2, S3000xl, S6000,
- I wouldn't say they "don't sound as good"
- more accurately, they don't sound as inferior.
As, it was the early days of digital music tech back then and the tech, components and proprietary chips used in each brand and model were still in their infancy,
- and that is where all the charm and quirks people like so much come from.
I have the ONE too, but only use it for stereo breakbeats, mostly, maybe some bass, etc,
- I try to use the internal processing as little as possible, and just use my outboard for colour.
The new MPCs' are essentially DAWs' wrapped up in their own controller and audio interface,
- and I don't see anything wrong with that.
If you want them to sound older, more lo-fi, I'd recommend using some lo-fi outboard,
- dbx 118 units are a good, affordable place to start...
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MPC used to mean
- Midi Production Centre
Now it means,
- Music Production Centre
It's called logical progression.
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Personally I think they should get some better plugins in the new machines, as most of the saturation plugins are pretty lame,
- that said, I do like to use the Grime Distortion, extremely subtlety,
- usually into an external VCA dbx compressor, usually a 1066, if I want more control, or a 118 > Roland graphic EQ > Drawmer DL251
- love to ALL, feel no hate
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Yeah, the reverb plugins are bad but there are plenty of other good ones in there to spice things up. Another couple relatively inexpensive outboard options are Electro Harmonix Platform compressor pedal or Zoom ST-224 to sample thru.
I enjoyed the video. One of my thoughts was Ski comment "I do this for real" Because I have relationships with people who do do this for real I understand a little where he's coming from. It Still doesn't take a way the sting from his words. We all want to do this for for real. To either treated it as a hobby or being made to feel like hobbyist doesn't get us from dreaming to actualize reality. Many of us weather late in life or just starting out have to do what we have to do get what have. The pursuit has left me personally broke, non musically underdeveloped professionally, and very behind in life. I know to many talented people who are left broken that never got their break. Music aside I'm a brilliant political scientist with a Masters Degree from FAMU and people can't understand why I'm struggling. So here I am, after being a wanna be MC, manager, A&R making beats to beat down depression at 51 I feel defeated in life and all I have is music and Ski says "I do this for real" and it hurts. But is his right? The answer is yes.
I had people make beats for the on a casio sampler, 707, and four tracks, I remember when my friend taught me how to use MPC 3000 and gave the book and let me hold it for a month. I remember seeing cakewalk on the computer before windows. I remember going to studio's in NYC, Rockland and Westchester Counties in New York, So i know that sound Ski is talking about. The best I can do is the MPC Studio MK II you don't like LOL There is a lot gear shaming going on. If money wasn't an issue I have a 3000 and X SE. I think they are both dope.
Damn brother. I’m 47 pretty successful in the thing “I do for real”. Your post hit like a Mack truck. Stay up homie.
Sounds like you do this for real too. Just because you haven't attained the success or got the breaks, it doesn't change what's in your heart.
I got mpc 2500 from guitar centers a week after the release, and it was 2800 bucks with stock wack sounds. I still love it even though it's been on the shelf for years
What?! Robbery
Take it Back and buy an XL SE real real talk!
@Shekinah Multimedia Productions that was in 2005. I wanted the 4000 but it was out of stock and I couldn't wait
I have the mpc key 61 connected to the mpc 4000 via midi. I use the 4000 as a drum sound module. This gives me the best of both worlds. Sound and functionality.
Dope!
Yessir. I use MPC LIVE 2/ ASR10/4000. 🫡
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To clarify per Roger Linn himself "30 years ago, software (program) had nothing to do with sound because the internal computers weren’t fast enough to process sound in real time. So sample playback was handled by a custom chip that played and pitch-shifted sampled for 16 bit playback." So, programing did not play a role in the sound.
They should’ve kept it that way imo. Just to keep out any interference between sound and processing.
I knew this video was coming, especially after Ski and Sights live the other day.
I really enjoy everything u do from your music... sound... knowledge... teaching... delivery... who u r in front of the cam...your ear overall behind the scene is a talent u display ... im watching 👀 u
It's amazing how everyone, including myself, constantly looks for warming software and hardware for modern equipment. We definitely trade convenience and workflow for sound quality, and the few pieces of hardware that do a good job of balancing both are out of many of our price ranges.
Reason sounds great to Me.
@@HOLLASOUNDS I haven't used Reason in 10 years or more, so can't comment either way.
@@verbone Come back to Reason, it's got all the old classics and new stuff, I make somthing cool sounding every time I open it.
@@HOLLASOUNDS Man bruh, I believe you, but no way I'm paying for another DAW/music suite. And my wares days are long behind me.
Bruce Forat put me up on game about the whole situation between Roger and Akai, also people don't know that Bruce Forat played a huge part into the Linn Drum my 4000 sounds better than my live however I'm a engineer 30 years in the game compression and EQ lower the sample rate in the live and can get a simular sound If I want to go back to the 90s I still have my good old Ensoniq EPS 16plus. If I want to go back to the 80s I got to my Behringer 808, 909 clones
Technically, the sound of a machine is made of :
(phono preamp)
analog input stage
AD converter
clock
audio engine
DA converter
analog output stage
Now, if you compromise any of these aspects, you get a compromised sound.
Today's market is all about features and convenience over sound quality. Software has set a new standard in terms of features and convenience that is hard to compete against with standalone machines, especially if you need to build them to a price point.
So, new Akai products look like a compromise : features and convenience (still not as fully featured as computer softwares) in a dedicated machine that has an OK sound (but still not as good as high-end audio equipment).
I like the Ensoniq ASR-10 for its fatness and dimensionality, the MPC4000 for its punch (and timing) and analog gear in general for its sonic texture. Now, nothing can touch software in terms of features and convenience. So, I'm trying to use each machine for its strenghts.
But an all-in-one 1k USD MPC cannot be without compromise, I'm afraid...
technically, the real reason why the newer MPC's sound different to the older models is not only because of the electronic components (mainly capcitors and resistors), but also the quality. some people will tell you that the 2000 sounds different or "warmer" than the 2500, because the 2000, 2000XL, and 4000 were the last models made in Japan before Akai Pro was taken over by Numark/Alesis who started making the 1000, 500, 2500, and 5000 (and subsequent models) in Taiwan/China. these newer models (X, Live II, One, KEY 61) use cheap micro-smd components to reduce footprint and production costs.
are the relative cheaper components from today not better than the pricier ones from the past?
@@novalogue Depends on your definition of better. Better could mean more transparent, i.e no harmonic distortion, no noise and therefore less character.
@@callum-testing5064 We are talking about electrical components
@@novalogue Not sure what that means. Components add to audio properties, and specially analog gear.
Dope video! Can you talk about some of the tricks and trades you referred to @20:00? I just copped a Live 2 retro and would love to see how you kick it up a notch.
Use the filters and eq on ya drums
MPC is King it always has been they just need to stop act like their not charging for a Digital I/O on their Flagship MPC without putting it on the back... The MPC X is the 1st Studio Sized MPC without a Digital I/O since the MPC 3000... 🤯🙏🏼🤯
Dang it...kinda made the wrong corrections to my original comment....anyway, My brother still has my old MPC 2000XL...Man, back then, that thing was a monster. Still is. I asked him could I get it back from him...lol...he said, "You can come to town an USE it"!! 🤣🤣 being ol skool and getting back into music/the production side of it, I wanted to do something outside of my DAW (no knock on the DAW systems). Familiarized myself with the MPC, then bought a MPC LIVE 2. Used a drum kit from a "certain" producer (lol), in both the DAW and MPC. No effects/mixing or whatever. The sounds weren't just a little different, it was completely different (again, no knock on the DAW, mine will still get used....A LOT). But there was an obvious difference. There is also a difference in the sound from "my brother's" MPC 2000XL and my MPC LIVE 2. Production has come a long way, be it MPC or DAW. I sat in on a session with a friend, and his son is master on the DAW. Speeds up his work flow, yet still produces quality sound. Bu again, I am an ol head, I find my quality in pushing buttons, turning control knobs and TIME! I may never fit in this new way...but you can believe, that one beat I put out, will be worked hard, and every attempt was made to not sound like anything else or anybody lol. Mixing/effects/mastering...in the click of a button or touch of a screen!! Who would have ever thought.....LOL....Keep Pushing!!
When you use the MPC in standalone and when you use the MPC software with the MPC as controller/audio device, does it sound different? And when you use a different DAW, do you still use the MPC as audio device?
@@koraamis5568 In my experience, the beat comes out way more expressive in standalone mode. I always pass beats through UAD Masterdesk when in the DAW to fatter them up. The other day i made a simple beat in standalone and it was definitely louder and fatter.
@@PrimeGalvatron With DAW you mean the MPC in controller mode with the MPC software? or other DAW?
@@koraamis5568 I use the MPC 2 software. That's the DAW I use when using my mpc x in controller mode. From listening to EA Ski and others i started passing the beats through UA plugins and it does fatten the beat. I also use something called drums that knock when i record in Pro Tools to add that extra punch to the drums.
Making beats in standalone sounds better without using filters.
Thanks for the info
Bolo Thanks for the article. Informative read. i agree with you about the sound of th mpcs, if you know how to use them doesn't matter which one you get. From floppies to larger media and color screen that's advancement.
If akai and Roger could work it out, it would be awesome if they made a newer version of the 3000, 2000xl, and the 4000 minus some of the sounds I think everyone would be happy. I’m literally hunting for a 2000xl because I started with it and I know how hard drums sound coming out of it.
Roger Linn is an inventor and already said with the MPCs he been there znd done that. Akai ripped him off of royalties so unless is willing to cut that man a large check he wont even answer the phone. Mr Linn is different type of cat.
Nah, they'll still find sum'n to complain about.
@@thablackkat9905 Hey I'm trying to be positive... HAHAHAHAHA. But I know your right.
Man listen!!!! That’s a perfect scenario
I thought 💭 the 60 was the best ?
And now akai has removed the 60 and 3000 from their legacy range … scumbags
Thank you my brother thank you! For the first time someone has finally mentioned a linear Arrangement screen. Hell yeah we needed that like 5 years ago!😂
Shout out to all the other oldies (like me, lol) out there who remember programming in Basic!
Shout out to u bolo.... shid.. u let me rock out on that same mpc2500 in yo capitol Ave studio.. I went and got one the next week... still got it.
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Roger Linn should make a new drum machine.
I think he has… just hadn’t gotten traction yet
He has the Linnstrument. It's dope.
He needs to remake the 3000
@@BoloDaProducer that linnstrument is not something oli would buy. More specifically a drum machine
@@JEFFMAN90 remake with what changes?
BOLO i always watch your videos but never sub ... today i did it because of your mindset... Thanks for the positive vibe .
Thanks!
Bro you was greedy with those chicken wings....that's was had happened 😂
Yeah, he needs a couple, cause he's a big boy. I never ate such things. 🤞
I have old, and new samplers (2000xl, ASR10, EPS16+, MPC 1000) and I have used and still use FL Studio and Ableton and I have to disagree just wholeheartedly on a lot of your assessments and opinion. While it's true that certain filters in the MPC 2000xl, EPS16+/ASR10 have a distinct sound, when it comes to modern MPC's (even the 2000xl honestly) it's REALLY REALLY hard to hear a difference between FL Studio/Ableton sampling vinyl at 44.1K 32bit and the newer equipment. If you're hearing differences then you have one hell of an ear. I made beats on all types of hardware and software and not one MPC would have passed the Pepsi challenge. I use to label my FL Studio beat filenames "MPC..." and my MPC beat file names "FL..." and people either didn't care or selected the MPC beats just because of the name. Thought that was funny. Honestly, it's videos like this that makes up and coming producers feel like they NEED to get some overly priced and hard to use vintage sampler just so they can FEEL official...yet you have producers using FL Studio to make beats faster and easier and no one can tell the difference. My 2 cents.
Look, the sound of a converter is based on the hardware design and filter tuning. Not the software. Akai could work with DA specialist like Neve, Dangerous Music or other high end companies. For the top of the line unit it would be really good.
The price would be crazy lol
Yes indeed!!
Please say it Louder!!!!!!!
If they did that you would be paying almost 7k to 10k for a mpc is it really worth that price tag
Black lion audio has a mod that upgrades the signal path of tbe MPC X that does just that
Tube amplification for a more warm, rich and full organic sound might be the solution. I personally think the MPC sounds fine. I think I’ll give my tube amplifier theory a try.
E A Ski gave advice in his interview about stuff through a 500 series preamp and compressor if using thr newer units. Might be the same effect as a tube pre? Not sure if 500 series usually have tubes in them.
@@SixteenVoice Notice Tube pre amplifiers price point compared to solid state pre amplifiers. The Vacuum Tube is the sauce. It’s where all that warm saturation comes from. Tubes themselves I just found out are hella pricey depending on the type.
Back in the day, a friend of mine had a Korg ElecTribe ESX-1, it looked kinda cheesy, but it had an adjustable valve stage in its audio path that sounded excellent, it made the percussion sound much more full sounding. It came fitted with 2 Electro-Harmonix 12AX7 tubes. I always thought this was a really cool idea, and it's the only time I've ever seen this kinda thing in a sampler before. I honestly don't know why more modern, high-bitrate digital gear couldn't include this sorta thing in the signal path to warm things up a bit. Plus, 12AX7s last for ages and aren't that expensive, around $38 for a pack of 4.
@@Rr0gu3_5uture it might be a matter of manufacturing. All I know is that these days I’m seeing more and more analog emulation done extremely well to the point that you may want to consider holding on to that $2000 and just download the $35 emulator. Tube compressors etc. Besides you get instant recall of parameters and potential automation.
Tube amp on the way out not the way in … glorious doing this this on my 12 bit sample racks .. enhances the grit
Everybody wants cheat codes!!. They want to turn on a MPC, load their thin ass drum sounds, and feel good about the sounds without learning anything. What we get now is a bit more transparent. So much so that you have control over how it will sound coming out. But no one wants that. They want Akai to color their sound for them.
I've been thinking the same thing ever since the arguments about sound quality had been stirring up these past so many days. Cats, who have been spoiled by the older models, want the newer MPC to do all the work instead of doing whatever freaking and tweaking they need to do in order to get a punchier sound. These are the same cats who had to make classic older models do what they do despite their respective limitations. It's like they lost that drive to work around a machine's limits in order to get whatever desired effects they are aiming for.
Vintage samplers sound different because of RAM limitations. Why are MPC users so anal with sound? SP303/404, Fruity Loop, Beat Maker, Mashine users etc are out here KILLIN’ it while MPC heads are arguing and crying. 😐
Thanks for this video. Good thoughts.
And yes, the new MPCs need a linear song recorder mode.
Also what people need to consider is that the older mpc where more meant more for drums and basic sampling like one shots and chopping But the new mpc’s are more open architecture which means a wide variation of users and producers . Which means the neutral sound will benefit more. It’s easier to make something sound gritty vs making something sound pretty…
I have owned a Roger Linn made 1989 Akai Remix16 unit for 4 years now. The circuitry in that machine emits a phat, warm, thick, full analog sound because of its superb converters and bit rates of 8k, 16k, and 32khz and all metal chassis. i sample into this then I place those samples into my Akai MPC Renaissance...BOOM ! Now I have incredible sounds in an incredible workflow controller for beats, sequences, and songs! The Akai Remix16 was $900 new back in 1989. Try to find one used now...very rare. The older producers are keeping these in their studio because of its sonic pallette.
But mpc heads knew that.. I was there...linn only had something to do with the 60...62...and 3000....the2000s and 2000xls used to get dissed back in the day because they sounded "thin"...it's funny to me the love they get now for that same sound.
Pete rock and Marco Polo. Make magic with the 2000xl
Great video Bolo. I've been using MPCs since the early 90s starting with the 60. I bought my first MPC in '97 which was the 2000. I still have and use it till this day. I have 2 of them. I plan on getting an X now that they are very cheap on the used market. I won't jump on the X SE. I definitely love the sound of my 2000. To me it just sounds solid.
6:57 the mpc 2500 is well known for having the thin sound tho, it may have been different - but it wasn't one of the good sounding units (just OK sounding like the 500,1000 and the new ones ).
2500 midrange great low end… eehhh
I’d pay $4k for a X with that old sound.
Akai could sell an outboard package with pre amps, EQs, converters from the older units for those heads that want that sound, or an MPC XXL that comes with it or smth lol
Did you get a custom splash screen on your mpc x se too...???
No
Bro, I’m only eight minutes and 40 seconds into your video… And I’m sitting here telling my wife… If Akai would go find some new ninja Engineer… Some young buck with Roger Linn “ qualities” so to speak… If they could reverse engineer, like the 3000? And then take all of this RA-RA chitchat? Head to the drawing board on the MPC XL for real! this time… And come out with something that sells for like 5000+… We would buy it! If it sounded like the MPC 3000? But it worked like the new X? Come on bro… I bet some cats will drop 10.
Thaswasup
The 3000 seems to be the king of Akai sound
👍🏼 well put up with
😂 well put 👍🏼
MPC's are pattern-based sequencers which I prefer because I'm not a keyboard player or a guitar player or a bass player. I'm just a percussionist and drummer, and they finger drummer, that's why MPC's are so popular and that's why they were designed that way, if you want to record in a linear fashion, there are dozens of software sequencers that will do that for you.
Here's what I think about the situation with Akai and EA-SKI......... IF THEY WANT SOMEONE TO LIE AND NOT KEEP IT REAL THEY SHOULD PAY HIM🤣........ but real talk I wanna thank people like you and SKI for keeping it real.... 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
BOLOOO!!!!! I liked everything about this video but that hat! 😂😂👀 but fr tho, thank you for the video. I agree man. Use what you like, just make the music.
Well I am ignorant of what the old MPC's sounded like. Maybe the new ones sound different but different does not mean worse. I am considering purchasing a MPC X SE. The sound differences between the X SE and the older ones means exactly nothing to me.
Your video is quite interesting. You have a good style and the audio is very good.
I think you should definitely purchase one because you are correct. The new MPCs are great machines and have moved their music production workflow into the modern arena where it belongs. If you’re not an audiophile who is grossly obsessed with sound like many of us old heads then you’re probably in a good spot. Lol. You will not regret your purchase and welcome to the Kingdom of Akai. 🙏🫵💯
That Sight and Ea Skit conversation was dope
Yes it was
Yo Bolo this is off topic but, they just dropped logic as an app for the iPad. Thats Dope as hell
I know I got meeting on that today💪🏾
That’s dope, cubasis gotta watch out
If Hollywood can make a biopic about the origin of fk'n Flamin' Hot Cheetos, they can definitely make a movie about Roger Linn and Akai. 😆
Then it must be a change to the microprocessor and clock resolution? Pre-amps? Both?
I always thought that Andy Mac original music background was Nu-Wave music from the early 1980's . He wasn't a true hiphop fan. The Nu-Wave music producers had no idea that the hiphop artist would tweek those drum machines like that.
I used the MPC 60 back in the early 90s late 80s. And came across one in 2003 that was stolen 😢. However I have a MPC One and I see a vintage mode option under preferences/general in the main outputs section. Does switching that change the sound ,ie get it closer to those older models?
Never used a 60 before. However I just got into the world of MPC when I bought the X. I tried the vintage modes and I didn't really hear a difference in 3000 mode. But when I used the 60 Mode I could hear a difference for sure. There was more bump to the sound, more weight. At least to my ears. Not a massive difference but definitely a noticeable difference. Oh and I could also hear something with the SP1200 Ring Mode too. More lo-fi sounding. But I prefer the 60 Mode. Try it out and see what you think! I'm sure it's not like the real thing but it may be something you like.
I haven’t heard a huge difference
The vintage mode is bad. Leave the main out clean but try sampling in with AIR Lofi soft brilliance 12bit, 26khz and AIR Filter to taste. If anything on the main out try AIR Maximizer light.
@@leogolive Thanks
@@BoloDaProducer Thanks
Digital is digital. Regardless if you're a midi map with mouse and keyboard in a daw guy or load drums on a newer MP and hit drum pads. You're doing different methods but getting the exact same result! Hence, Akai is pimping everyone by releasing new MP's every 1 to 2 years making you THINK it's the next best thing to get better sound but it isn't, because they're still digital. Even the newer stand alone MP's function as digital. So whats the point. Digital is digital.
I've worked witht the MPC2000XL for 15 years then got the MPC studio black. Never upgraded the black because it doesnt matter, the software is the same for all controllers. Songs ive made on the XL compared to the black are night and day! Drums are warmer, fuller, more depth, more push.
Just like other comments explained, analog was way better than digital hands down.
I would watch that MPC movie.
Me too
my boy Bolo went to 240 p lmao love your channel keep doing your thing.
Lol my bad… I was trying something new and messed up
@@BoloDaProducer its all good , i would tune in if it was just the audio ! peace and love Brother .
I got an old mpc,old asr 10, and I’ve had the mpc x,one and Force. All I’m going to say is that anyone claiming old samplers sound better need to find a new hobby cause they’re talking crazy. A sampler only sounds as dope as your sample. Not a single mpc beat you’ve heard on the radio or in a song hasn’t been mixed and mastered. The old Mpcs sound as they do because they’re 16bit vs 24bits of the new machines. Old samplers have lesser sound quality. You can put a clean sample on them and it reduces the sound quality because it’s only 16 bigs. This was NEVER a good thing nor a desired thing back in those old MPC days when people wanted hi def 24bit crystal clear radio ready sounds.
No one brought an mpc for the sound they brought it for it’s sampling capabilities understand that above all. If your sampler couldn’t sample above 16bit it wasn’t anything special.
Fast forward to now. You’ve got people buying powerful recording machines with no clue how to use them. No clue on how to change the bit definition or use the classic modes. Yes you can make your brand new shiny mov sound just as crappy as the old ones. It’s this trick you call and it’s called being a producer. You should now how to make a sample sound the way you want it. How do you think guys stuck on those old 16bit machines felt when they ripped samples off records and needed a crisp clean almost 24bit like sample for a beat? They used producer techniques to make the sample sound more hi def than it was.
Same concept can be applied in reverse to 24bit sound to make it sound less hi def.
Problem isn’t the machine but the generation of users that are missing key sampling skills to understand how to manipulate sample quality. So thus blame the machine for not immediately not making you sound amazing.
Never mind that these boxes have built in classic modes to make life easy. I guess who ever complained about the Mpcs never got that far into the menu.
But this to me is truly just a lack of production intelligence and why it does help to have some schooling and understanding sound quality and how it works.
Your higher bits are bringing you undisturbed sound. Your hearing all the frequencies you should in that sample. Lower bits reduce sound quality and you lose frequencies on your sample making it sound duller.
A good producer knows how to recover those lost frequencies or remove them to suit what sound they’re going for with the sample.
It’s like with a singer you use different mics because they capture different vocal spectrums and frequencies of a voice depending on the quality of the components. So a singer will sound clearer on one mic
And less clear on another. It’s the exact same with sampling.
It’s all about the frequencies.
This modern generation of producers don’t know anything about that because they’re the 24bit generation.
They don’t know about lifting and isolating samples and mastering frequencies and learning how to manipulate them to lift or polish up samples. These guys use saws and splice.
Of course you’re going to complain when your missing an entire skill set.
I’ve had my classic mpc for over 20 years. I’ve had modern mpc for about 5. I use them simultaneously on the same tracks sometimes. You cannot tell the difference of which is which.
You can never tell what gear someone is using unless they’re so terrible you can tell they’re using a sampler.
Cause real talk. Michael Jackson used an MPC 3000 to sample the choir chorus on the “Will You Be There” song and nobody had a clue. Y’all think that was a real choir singing and it was a sample of one.
That’s how you use a sampler. The name of the game is “don’t make it sound like a sample even though it is one”.
Y’all dudes so sloppy and unskilled with these Mpcs I can practically hear y’all pressing pads in the samples. Sequencer work so trash I can tell what sequencer you’re using.
That’s not the goal of an mpc. You’ve got to be more creative with it than that but so long as people are on eazy mode trap beats that hardly require skill to make it’s lost. An mpc is overkill for a trap beat.
So what y’all really complaining about isn’t the mpc not sounding as good it’s your skill set not being up to par to make it sound as good.
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100% wrong
@@synthpunkmusick1661 you know my friend in this day in age there’s two types of people. Those that listen and learn and those that willingly live in ignorance. I’m Glad I learned to listen years ago.
I’ll tell you a story. Back in 01’ there was this littler sampler people were killing themselves for. It was called an electrix repeater. 4 tracks you could loop, built in fx and almost an hour of sampling time and it used a flash drive but what made it special is that it had 24bit sampling rate. This was unheard of.
This thing cost $1000 dollars and I gladly brought it to pair with my mpc just to get somewhat of an edge. I could have brought a 3000SE or an old MPC 60 at the time with that money but they weren’t 24bit.
I had an mpc but I wanted that 24bit that nobody had and that endless sampling time. Now this little thing was brought by professionals mostly and when I mean professionals I mean they’re in the photograph backgrounds of studios where artist recorded Grammy winning albums.
They got used heavily in real studios. This was not a home musician toy. Even today they’re still expensive and useful but this little device is just a reminder of the times of how badly people wanted a 24bit sampler.
That’s why the electrix repeater was made. A unicorn of its time. So when you guys want to shout 16bit from the mountain top I remember the disparity of guys trying to get a 24bit sampler. Now we are on the internet. It’s a great data base. I implore you to google the electric repeater vs mpc and look at what people were saying in those times decades ago to understand what people thought about those old Mpcs you guys are so easy to argue about sound quality over. Heck you might even see my old Comments from 22 years ago but the point is time changes,arguments change but the fools are always there.
@@synthpunkmusick1661 sit down moog inc stealing fool.
@@jae6220 I fell for it with the mpc 4000 that has the same engine has the Akai Z samplers. But the I always use my 4k in 16 bit mode not 24. The 4k is punchy
Everyone is entitled to their opinion… but bc he didn’t agree with Ski..so he attacked him…he attacked a person who has had success in this game…a triple O/G…Dude got a facebook page an zero gold or platinum records … told him to wash off his plaques or something like that… I have heard him attack u in the past…I guess for clout I don’t know… but it is zero OK
I have a mpc X and mpc 3000 and I have to say this…. My MPC 3000 sounds better. It is because of the electricity from the analog circuitry…. It sounds fuller…to me. That being said I agree there is something about mpc vs any computer it just sounds better…
I have a 3K and a ASR-10 and will never get rid of them. But I can use the modern MPC to trigger and older units. To me that’s the best of both worlds!
Better components but I do understand Akai’s business model
@@dccarsonmusic That is what I basically use it for and sampling
It would be dope for you to get Roger Linn on here
You can definitely run the the new units through other stuff to make it sound proper.
This all day 🙌
Pretty much - we have to LOL
this is suppose to be a standalone you shouldn't have to use different gear to get it sounding "right" the older mpcs didn't need all might as just use a DAW.
@@taylorstep8135 Standalone just means you don't have to use a PC & even the older MPC needed other things since they didn't come with sounds or many FXs if any, so....
Truth is, every generation of MPC sounds different from the last.
I remember starting out on a 60 Mk2 and not liking the sound of the MPC 3000 at first as my drums sounded compressed and bright.
I later adjusted to it and then hated the sound of the MPC 2000/XL when they came out…
I don’t care what nobody says.
I like my MPC X SE
It looks great sitting next to the Fantom 6
Great Video 👊🏾
Thank you bolo 😎
Key words you used ‘Looks great’ - what about the Sound?
Great stuff. Yup, different gear sounds different…lol. I know people want to say different is better or worse.. I just go with different. That said, more important to me is what gears inspires me to make music most. I am actually one of those ppl that will run a mix through tape or tube gear to get vibe. So I sort of work around the sound limitations to get it the way I like.
Dude, do a video, with the 2 mpc, side by side, set them up so we can hear good audio out of them, and let's hear it. Facts are facts. Let's hear it. Is one better or not. Stop all the talking. Hook them up. Let the people hear the difference.
Yes, I’m gonna grab your beats Friday… Also, here in a few months… I’m gonna get my Moog and I use Zzounds for that stuff, certain keyboards, etc.… But I will click your link! E-A-Ski spoke nice of you that I heard…
With the work flow!! Imagine if Roger Linn got involved!!
Your opinion means allot Bolo thanks. I think I will need Both just to have a piece of History from Legendary producers in the game and the new one in celebrating Akai's long journey and new producers also growing up in this new tech era. I'm excited to see what people will come uo with next when creating music in these new machines.
I use Reason and My Hiphop uses devices in there that basically copy the function of Akai samplers.
I like the camera quality...you look superimposed in the room 🎥 🤣
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This is the God awful truth, i dont think people understand how much it would cost to produce an MpC 60 or a Mpc 3000 today. On a sound level the old Mpc's technology was state of the art and not just for their time. If you duplicated the analog path on those old MpC's, the audio board alone would probably cost the price of the newer MPC's. The circuit is what makes any analog path either great or terrible. Without the capacitors and transformers creating harmonic distortion or even the jitter of old conversion taking place to further color the sound, take all this away and you have a cold sterile machine that has to be tweaked alot more to make it sound professional. I embrace the new technology, i just dont think the sound is superior to its older big brothers. The workflow is definitely enhanced now, the older equipment made you work harder for the results because you had to do basically everything by ear. That's not a bad thing because you're going to do things off of feel, and not necessarily algorithms, numbers, or graphics.
My take on this is that in my opinion I do believe the older units sound better but its not just the programming that makes that happen but also the components inside the box. The transistors, the capacitors and all the stuff on the main board of the older units also played a HUGE part in the way they sound. Roger Linn himself has been out of the equation since the 3000 and was not involved in any version after which includes my beloved 4K and 2KXL but.... the components within those mainboards aren't the same as the 3K or 60 (which I also owned) hence why both machines sound different.
At this point in time it would be foolish for Akai to go back to trying to mimic an older device because of where technology is today currently. When you take into consideration the cost of parts, labor, manufacturing and all that would have to go into the production of a unit like that ...the cost would be to great for the consumer and they know that. Technology and features is what the current ask is as you said and another great point you made is that the consumer base is getting younger not older.
In the end as you said this is about the final goal which is the music. I do not dig people getting robbed and their intellectual being taken from them (has happened to myself as well) so I believe they need to come to an agreement with him (Roger Linn) and make it right seeing that its under new leadership now because the reality is that Akai has no flagship device and doesn't exist without him. Have they proven they can continue without him? ..yes..have they made great products without his input?...yes...could they continue to do so in the future? ...yes but......all that was hinged on the 2KXL being a success and frankly if it hadn't been Akai might have died a long time ago...
Just my thoughts.Great topic as always 👍🏾
Nice point!
Have you seen that Logic Pro is coming out for the iPad?
Yep… just got off meeting
Most definitely needed this Bolo I’m a Reason guy just thinking about going to the MPC
Dude, an MPC movie would be wild. Heck yeah.
The old MPCs had their own sound because of the converters used in these machines. MPC60 had the most distinct, dirtiest sound because it was the only 12-bit MPC, the later 16-bit machines, namely the MPC3000, MPC2000 and MPC2000XL also had their own warm sound. Even the MPC4000 had its characteristic punch.
Mpc60 isn’t dirty , I have a mark 1.. yes it’s distinctive but pretty clean … the converters are 16bit on the mpc60 not 12bit
@@saren6538 MPC60 is 12-bit.
It’s like an automobile, an old school is going to have certain characteristics that is going to be classic and will always be loved. Innovation is going to water some things down while making other things more efficient. But at the end of the day when it comes to music, nowadays the consumer is hearing the end result from MP3’s dithered down missing out on the sonic characteristics producers want to preserve. Producers have to approach it like a car collector, you just have to have some old schools in the signal chain and combine the old with the new. Peace!
I find this whole situation about old versus new Sounds, it's kind of ridiculous and funny. The sound characteristics aren't as important as the person programming the beat. If you can't program a good beat it doesn't matter how good your MPC sounds.. The people listening to the music and dancing. Don't give a shit how sonically crunchy or not your drums are, important thing does it make the people want to move and feel the groove. Sounds to me this entire conversation is just nitpicking stuff that really doesn't matter..
Agreed. I personally wonder why a number of heads who have functional older models are griping. It's not like they're being forced to giveaway their old MPCs and are being made to use the newer models.
It's one thing to be like 'Meh, the newer models aren't for me' and leave it at that. It's another to be complaining as if Akai is doing them wrong.
Lofi plug-in plus the mpc emulators plus the air flavor pro = old school sound
Man I was going to chime in… To E-A-Ski the other day… I was on a live chat with him! And we were conversating back-and-forth and he mentioned you… I was gonna say you spoke good of him.. but then I did not wanna get into all that… Blasé blah… I know you get it. But I am fixing to get me my MPC 3000. I had the 2500. But I’m gonna go ahead and take it back. Get the Roger Linn
Akai need to get with Rossum because the original sp1200 and the new Rossum sp1200 souds the same
The modern MPC is a decent sounding machine but I have to disagree on that they are the best sounding machine out there right now…Ok, with workflow, I totally agree. In my opinion, the best sounding new school machine today is:
Isla Instruments S2400.
As far as modern machines, nothing beats them as far as warm analog/ digital sound today. Incomparable in a way..Simply amazing!
I would love to see what someone mentioned,a couple of days ago, saying that maybe Akai should put out one machine for the new school users cheaper version & an another version with better circuitry & components.
Hopefully, Akai will come out with the next generation of MPCs with a better sound or at least some sort of compromise for both types of users🙏🏾
Agreed
Wow I was using gw basic to program games as a kid also. That’s what’s up 💪🏾
mpc movie would be dope! 🤓
“I hear what the customers say, but often what they say they want is not what they really want.” -Roger Linn
Yes but older MPCs can't handle 808 subs like the newer ones.
The new ones don't have any character when you sample or import files. They are neutral you need to season the meat before cooking with it.
Just a heads up Zzounds will NOT be continuing the sale of MPC One. I asked if they were waiting on a MK2 or something and they were very sketchy with the answer lol just a heads up man I was about to grab another one. Whelp! Live 2 it is. Analog ALWAYS sounds better than digital.
Thanks. I’ll mentioned this on my last video or one before lol. But MPC ones are discontinued.. who knows… something maybe coming soon 😎
@@BoloDaProducer can’t do us like that big dawg 🤣🤣😎🤝🏾
M.A.G.A. Make Akai Great Again 🤣
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You’re a dang fool Kannon 😂
Thx for the knowledge & keeping it 💯
word! well said Bolo