TTA Podcast 233: Fine. You Host The Show!
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
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What's on your mind? Well...this is your chance to sound off. Call the broadcast to speak with Seth Andrews, or send an email to podcast@thethinkingatheist.com
Trevor says he's "not much of a writer"... Dude, you've brought thousands of people to the brink of tears and beyond with your words. You gave us a glimpse of the raw, sublime goodness of humanity, both in yourself and your brethren. Best Wishes!
taiwanjohn he pushed me OVER the brink
WOW.. That was kind of magical perfect end of a show...
That last story actually filled my eyes with tears.
I swear, if you don't have health, you have nothing. No amount of money on earth will buy your life back. Live your life and appreciate every single day, people.
Trevor's story made my cry. Hearing that there are such good people in the world is so refreshing. Sincerely wishing him the best with his recovery and thanks for sharing.
The second naturebox pitch just sneaked up on me like a tiger in tall grass. Well played, Seth.
Ghost81 haha I'm dyin
Your voice is amazing. Perfect for podcasting.
I think that was one of the first podcasts I've listened the whole way through - and I didn't even plan on it. Very well done, Seth. I look forward to more.
I did cry. good luck Trevor
Rick Harms Same, very much so. I guess a perfect moment to say: some faith in humanity restored?
+Rick Harms Thank you
+Shangori Thank you
Trevor Herderhorst Good to see you around and hope you have a speedy recovery
Trevor Herderhorst tough times, really hard--my husband was a firefighter--one of the best guys ever. I'm glad you have such strong support from your brothers. wishing health and happiness as you return to wellness and your job as firefighter.
great show mate!
Love the podcast. Love Naturebox. See you in Myrtle Beach next month Seth!
good show, enjoyed as usual
That first bit, with the tennis, you were spot on in my opinion. Gail's support and Karen's lack of, was definitely the critical factor in the big come-back win. Actually if I were Karen, I would have told my team-mates to go fuck themselves. But that's me. And yes, people like yourself are greatly appreciated by the rest of us and you have the support of many thousands - you deserve it!
See, this is one of the reasons you're so good at this, Seth.. If I tried to read a letter like Trevor's, I'd be a blubbering mess and end up ruining it with a bunch of ill-conceived platitudes.
Alexandra Pierce I turned into a blubbering mess just listening!!
Science is the process by which we test falsifiable questions. Philosophy is the process by which we postulate questions to falsify.
If both football teams pray before every game. Why does god let one team lose ?
Did they not pray hard enough ? Seems like a waste of time to me.
hhoinfo Cause god likes the first team's color better.
I have wondered that so many f*cking times!
hhoinfo Obviously they need to practice harder at praying. Why spend so much time on the field practicing non-holy skills?
hhoinfo The same reason many gamblers blow on their dice. The same reason many bikers who ride cruisers wear and decorate their bike with skulls, or hang a bell from their bike. The same reason thespians refuse to utter the name "MacBeth", instead calling it "The Scottish Play" or "The Accursed Play", and why they wish each other bad luck by saying "break a leg" instead of saying "good luck".
One word: superstition.
Trevor! (huge exhale) I am dumbfounded by your story. Dang, bro! Keep on keepin on and thank you for sharing.
I give it 4 stars
That was a heck of a letter at the end.
Yes! Matt D. The man!
Yippee! new episode!
Tell Trevor that that was the best dam letter I have ever heard. I'm not one for crying but he nearly had me.
Wish him well. We can't pray for him, but his letter has effected people, that's even better.
I think I have a bit to the point of "Does philosophy matter?" First of all, it seems fairly obvious to me that philosophy is most manifestly useful when it comes to morality and ethics. Many who are familiar with philosophy & the philosophers of history can't help but smile when listening to Sam Harris explain how one doesn't need to rely on philosophy, but can rely on science for morality, then going on to exactly describe David Hume's utilitarian ethic.
We can go further and say that philosophy is important because if one is educated in philosophy, one can think deeper and question utilitarianism from a secular point of view -- ironically, Kant's views on ethics are the ones most often used to counter Hume, as well as a multitude of ethical dilemmas in which the utilitarian is forced to become a kind of remorseless psychopath should they stick to their guns.
Personally, I like to use Kant's categorical imperative (basically, an improvement on the 'golden rule') as a starting point for any ethical conversation -- that being, 'a moral act is one which the actor can, in good conscience, will to become the universal norm.' -- not simply do what you want others to do to you, but do what you want others to do in general.
And of course, the conversation can become more and more nuanced from there.
Also, I would be remiss to leave out Sartre's atheistic existentialism as a popular branch of ontology in the secular crowd (whether they know it or not). Sartre was a French philosopher who proposed that the universe & the things/events within it do not carry their own inherent meaning or purpose, but that it is up to every individual to construct their own meanings/purposes within their mind. This is a philosophical naturalism which some like to say carries an 'ultimate responsibility' in that it says it is up to you to determine what the world around you is actually like & what you're going to do in it. (then, of course, we can have a discussion as to whether 'free will' & making choices is actually a thing, & whether that means a divorce of 'responsibility' and 'blame' -- but I'm getting off track).
My point is, while science is of paramount importance, so is philosophy -- philosophy is best used as a tool to ask "What kind of person am I?" "What kind of world would I like to live in?" and "How ought I behave?"
(And all of this is not to mention the cultural & historical insights an understanding of a philosophical point of view/the development of that point of view gives us.)
Dr. Zoidberg And let's not forget that the construction and meaning of language is an inherently philosophical endeavor. There is no reason why "tree" should actually be the symbol for the tall woody plants -- no scientific reason why it couldn't be any other jumble of sounds or symbols imaginable. Hell, there's no scientific reason why English grammar needs to work the way it does.
These are all philosophical constructs without which, we simply could not do as a species.
Wouldn't you think that is far too complex for one Web cast?
Dr. Zoidberg Thanks, dr Zoidberg!
Ethics is important, yes, but I don't see how philosophy helped us get answers to these questions. I'm not saying that because of that all answers are equally valid, of course they're not, but we cannot even use philosophy to compare answers on offer (to the best of my knowledge). The best tool for arguing ethics is to formulate arguments, create thought experiments that push these arguments into extremes or corner cases, and finding which ones feel most 'yucky' to us.
Thinking about ethics is perfectly fine and valuable, but if philosophy doesn't offer us a tool to do it better, what is it for? Or is philosophy the very process of thinking about questions like ethics, with no structured methodology to lead us to correct or incrementally better answers?
Your example of language being philosophy is confusing me. If anything, it plays into the idea that philosophy is just thinking about nonscientific or nondeterministic stuff. I don't think that's what you're trying to say, or am I reading you wrong? There are probably historical reasons why "tree" came to mean what it does, and history could have happened differently, leading us to call trees differently. Does providing reasons for facts that have no reason other than a sequence of small random events qualify as philosophy?
I'm sincerely trying to understand. Thanks for reading, if you're reading this.
Dr. Zoidberg Sorry, I'm a tad confused - wasn't it Jeremy Bentham who proposed utilitarianism?
Dr. Zoidberg Though I do agree that philosophy is one of the more important disciplines, and is quite wrongfully shunned by the "Scientists". I'm not sure why such a negative stigma has been attached to the field, perhaps Heidegger used the word "Being" too many different ways, too many times :)
What they all seem to forget is that Science came (and comes) from Philosophy. It was the ancient Greek philosopher Democritus who came up with the first primitive atomic theory, on which all of Chemistry is based from today. Hippocrates famously separated Medicine from philosophy - before that, they were the same thing.
Philosophy's etymology sums it up quite nicely - philia sophia, the love of wisdom. It is practiced by everyone who thinks, whether they know what an ubermensch is or not. Furthermore, you're right in saying it is incredibly relevant certain fields, perhaps not so much in metaphysics, but incredibly so in ethics and epistemology.
As an aside, my knee-jerk response to "Has any scientist's work been improved by Philosophy" was "Has any scientists work been improved by Art? Languages? Math?" It's seems like such a non-sequitur of a question.
I got some gunpowder or other manly substance in my eye when you read Trevor's story.
Servohahn It wasn't gunpowder. It was onions - invisible onions... and allergies - yeah -- allergies
Ed Selby Gunion powder.
The worst thing about the Naturebox ads are that the product isn't available in my country.
You're making me hungry Seth every time you advertise!
I've enjoyed a few of your podcasts in the past before and I always found it very helpful to hear the experiences of other people who had been indoctrinated, often as children. Well, when I was rebelling against my mothers religion, back when I was a teenager, my only way out of religious thinking was the forbidden thoughts. So when she told me I was no longer her child but a child of Satan, I relished in that thought, I had convinced myself that I was or should become the Anti-Christ to be free from Christianity. That since Jesus was living in my heart I had no other choice but to corrupt and taint my heart. I had violent delusions of final solutions and I even periodically idolized Hitler and dreamed of slaughtering even greater numbers of people, mainly the devout religious ones. Today many of these angers and delusions still persist in me and I've been seeing many therapists to help me cope with reality and unresolved emotional issues. But many of them still scoff at the idea, when I propose that religion and a life of indoctrination are at the root. I feel really lonely and often quite persecuted. Right now I am an atheist, been that way for a few years now, but the aftermath of religion still bears a toll on my sanity.
MrAllenCrown You should google Secular Therapist Project and or Dr Darrel W. Ray (part of the recovering from religion group). You may find there is a therapist in your area that will listen to you unbiased.
Sneaky advert is sneaky....I wish i could try nature box but i think its not available were i am :(
@56:15 Yeah!!!! Matt Dillahunty!!!! What a nice surprise. :)))
Just for the record. Arianne Foster is a well-established player who let it sink in all around him that he is no theist well before he publically declared it. He is a modest, thoughtful man who loves to have a good argument (discussion) with anyone who will stand their ground with him. He saves most of his (massive) salary so he will be able to live comfortably when he retires. He is a wonderful role-model.
Re: the missionary story
I know a family who sent their two teens to Rome, Italy to be missionaries. Rome. Italy. It seems that the Catholics are the "wrong kind of Christian", and their church thought that sending 17-25 year old evangelicals was a good way to convert them.
In Rome.
Italy.
I think a support group does help. And the opponent had a right to be upset. We all need someone. She may not have won, but at least she would have felt appreciated. We are better together.
Ivan's discussion is very much mirrored in Stephen Hawking's "Black Holes and Baby Universes and other essays".
Ah, the religious movies ads are attached to this video. Today's gem is War Room, from the makers of Fireproof.
I think pseudo-history would be a good topic. Maybe somebody like Ken Feder would come on.
I hope you do other podcasts on other religions. It would be interesting to see other viewpoints on this
I'm confused. Are the episodes never live anymore? One second I go to the BTR page and it says "blah blah minutes until show" then the next second I refresh and it's gone. I went to the page when it was supposed to be still live and the show was done. Confused @__@
EPrimeify if its not live how will people ever call in? So nah maybe just an error that said it was live when it wasnt.
BTR is buggy as fuck.
thefilmdirector1 In this episode it seemed like they already sent in a communication.
thefilmdirector1 Look up the ' pre taped call in show' Best skit of all time.
Nate Winter I just watched it and all I have to say is LOL
Seth, I am a Fire Fighter with the Queensland Fire and Emergency Service in Australia. Trevor's story is a very moving one. I have been fortunate enough to be in the Service for 10 years. Like Trevor, i love my job and can empathise with everything Trevor said about the work. I know that my time in the job is limited so i am trying to enjoy it as much as i can. I have been in touch with other Firefighters and we would like to pass on our best wishes. If i could work for Trevor I would and there are plenty of other Firefighters in the QFES that would too. Is there something else I can do to help?
I have some Service Patches i would like to send Trevor if at all possible. Even if you could let Trevor know that there are Firefighters in Australia that are wishing him and his family well.
Hit a brick wall for ideas? Take the dog for a walk around a lake... Inspiration via nature!
Seth Andrews makes Naturebox sound amazing!
Until you see their prices >_>
How can they promise to save money when imma eat through $20 bucks in one tv show or work break.
ITT: We give Seth ideas for future shows.
>Get Lucien Greaves on the show to discuss The Satanic Temple
I don't see how homeschooling as a concept is defensible by anyone. It is unfeasible to control what's being taught to those kids and is therefore leaving the kids entirely to the discretion of their parent with no outside checks whatsoever. But then again, I've never understood the argument for tolerating parental religious indoctrination, either. That you have *made* the kids does not give you right to abuse them, and shutting them off from the outside world more often than not instills an untold number of psychological issues they would have to face later as adults. It may not be physical abuse, but fundamentalist religious indoctrination definitely *is* abuse.
Where do we call in in a try to be on the show or is that restricted to specific people such as patreon supporters or something?
I think football is a religion I can get behind
I would say NASCAR is pretty close to the NFL when it comes to religion.
I am so fortunate that my boss, the vice president, and myself (general manager) are atheist.
Alain De Botton - Wonderful philosopher and human in general. He is the perfect person to teach us why philosophy is actually *useful* as a tool for discernment and discipline in our lives. Go to his YT channel School of Life and learn, my pretties, learn!
So Seth you don't know Jebus or who Samaje Perine is...in Oklahoma?! What do you talk about with your neighbors?
Seth, On the 'shouldn't we all be on the same team and shouldn't we act like it' issue I think it's in the nature of political or philosophical groups to see the differences between each other more clearly than the similarities. This can best be expressed as ua-cam.com/video/gb_qHP7VaZE/v-deo.html
Tell Max it concerns the Sandman To be clear, I'm not saying we all have to join hands and become a Mentos commercial. Nor do I think we shouldn't call out destructive or wrongheaded elements within the movement. I just grow weary of those who seem more eager to divide than unite.
***** So how do we handle situations like the A+ disagreement? The A+ side argues that we need to be about more than just "there is no God". That the atheist movement must be more inclusive in it's cause.
Bridget Wolfe If someone asks (as you have), I simply state that I don't really hold to A+ or require it. And I move on. I don't need to endorse or validate A+ ("Humanism" covers it for me, personally), and if that freaks somebody out, it really says more about them that it does about me. Regardless, I don't cheat my already busy inbox by dwelling on it.
Drama often feeds upon itself, and (I can be as guilty of this as anyone) quite often it's best to lower our voices, remain focused on our own particular goals and press forward. Not always possible, but I think a worthy pursuit.
***** I think I agree with you, we just to learn to cut each other a bit of slack. After all the only thing we all agree on is the lack of a good reason to believe in any gods. After that we can all hold diverse opinions on anything and need to make room for those opinions.
I thought "Karen" would of been pissed off that her opponent was kind of cheating as far as those special treatments not being allowed in a professional tennis match.. so her opponent gets an advantage there in boiling hot weather. I don't see that as overly fair.. I'd find that pretty annoying.. the heat is part of the game to see who can overcome it better.
Vince Deporter. Yay!
just wanted to let you know Seth that I'm out here for you and things are changing because of people like us.
I think there may be a third option for the tennis players poor performance. Perhaps her anger led to make mistakes in her game.
I don't see a problem with in God we trust on police vehicles. If the individual police men want to put it on their patrol car I don't see a problem. It's not preventing the job from getting done.
David Jones The problem is when tax money is spent on promoting particular religions. The police is a state institution that is supposed to serve all people, regardless of faith, or lack thereof. Christianity shouldn't be getting special treatment, even though it is the largest religion in the US.
Yes I understand that, and I am against those kind of phrases being on government buildings and such. But in this case these are individual police officers who typically keep and maintain a patrol car. If they want to personalize it in their own name, I don't really care. Now if the police station itself said in God we trust, I wouldn't be ok with that.
David Jones They're representing a taxpayer-funded entity pledged to serve all citizens. Let the officers put the stickers on their family cars and leave the police vehicles out of it.
I know it technically shouldn't be allowed on a government owned vehicle, but I just see it as self expression. I equate it to a government tax worker or teacher or someone decorating their office space. Yes it's a government position, and government owned property, so it shouldn't have any religious preference displayed, but it just doesn't bother me at all. What would bother me is if every car was required to have these "In God we Trust" stickers, or it was displayed on a government building. Yes, technically it shouldn't be there, but it just doesn't get to me at all.
David Jones Thing is, when cops are "on the clock" they are agents of the government and therefore their actions represent the government. They are not acting on their own behalf, but on behalf of the government.
If you paid someone to do a job, and you didn't want them to make any statements about religion because it could be seen as oppressive to people who don't share those views, you'd probably fire them if they went around wearing a Jesus fish pin while wearing the uniform for your business and refused to adhere to the rules.
Nobody's saying that the police officers shouldn't be religious. We're saying they should check that crap at the door when they clock in. Representatives of the government should behave in a manner that accurately represents the tone the government is supposed to set.
You want a hot subject with religion in the mix? Search MGTOW. Plenty to talk about there.
HD Failure MGTOW has *nothing* to do with religion. Absolutely *nothing*.
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Expect the religious ones, right? And I suppose the non religious ones too, right?
HD Failure Sure, there are religious and non-religious people in MGTOW, as well as many, many other groups. Please elaborate why TTA should talk about MGTOW over other groups with religious and non-religious people in them.
Ragnarockalypse
He said he had nothing to talk about, MGTOW could be a good topic. Not that I expect him to really care about anything said in the comments section of is videos, at the end of the day, he will ignore my suggestion.
HD Failure I feel that MGTOW isn't closely enough associated to the topic of religion, but in the end that is up to Seth.
Tell Trevor that that was the best dam letter I have ever heard. I'm not one for crying but he nearly had me.
Wish him well. We can't pray for him, but his letter has effected people, that's even better.