a nice integral and an important ignored constant

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  • @freecky1621
    @freecky1621 3 роки тому +80

    It is still unknown that if Catalan's Constant is rational or not. There's many interesting expression of Catalan's Constant. One of my favorite is integral of 2*ln(2*cos(x)) from 0 to pi/4.

    • @MathSolvingChannel
      @MathSolvingChannel 3 роки тому +2

      I got another way to solve this problem😎: ua-cam.com/video/anB_7yoSCcg/v-deo.html

  • @samueldevulder
    @samueldevulder 3 роки тому +51

    4:14 a sqrt() is missing. We should have sqrt(1+y²) as the length of the hypotenuse.

    • @mabrouksalah4138
      @mabrouksalah4138 3 роки тому +1

      Sin(×)=2y/(1+y.y) ^2

    • @yassinezanned9837
      @yassinezanned9837 2 роки тому

      @@mabrouksalah4138 actually if you add the missing square root you'll get the form 2y/(1+y.y) which Pr.Penn found because it will be the product of two square roots in the bottom.

  • @blackdeath39muffin45
    @blackdeath39muffin45 3 роки тому +40

    Catalan's constant is really useful when dealing with integrals related to polylogarithms, it's related to the Lerch transcendent and the Legendre Chi function as well

  • @perrydimes6915
    @perrydimes6915 3 роки тому +9

    Neat trick with the overlapping audio + video tracks. I don't think I noticed that before but it keeps up a neat rhythm.

  • @MathSolvingChannel
    @MathSolvingChannel 3 роки тому +11

    2:57 Weierstrass substitution, I did another method to solve this problem, Link: ua-cam.com/video/anB_7yoSCcg/v-deo.html

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 3 роки тому +20

    11:04 Good Place To Stop
    11:06 Behind the scenes?

    • @karolakkolo123
      @karolakkolo123 3 роки тому +2

      @@kostasbr51 he probably has a computer script which makes a comment automatically whenever a new video is posted lmao

    • @karolakkolo123
      @karolakkolo123 3 роки тому +1

      @einstein9073 yeah but he's ALWAYS first and I doubt that he just sits there all the time waiting for a notification to pop-up. Or maybe he does...

    • @MathSolvingChannel
      @MathSolvingChannel 3 роки тому

      a bot?😂

  • @ChaineYTXF
    @ChaineYTXF 3 роки тому +10

    superb. And thank you for writing arctan(x) and not tan^-1.

  • @JCCyC
    @JCCyC Рік тому

    I started playing with the integral you obtained by variable substitution, but to any upper bound x rather than 1. The resulting function, for big numbers, can be approximated as the constant arctan tends to (pi/2) multiplied by the integral of 1/x, aka ln. Therefore, if you divide that function by ln x, the resulting function tends to pi/2 on infinity.

  • @Roger_Mansuy
    @Roger_Mansuy 3 роки тому +25

    It seems a bit tricky to "hide" the uniform convergence argument to justify the series/integral inversion

  • @manucitomx
    @manucitomx 3 роки тому +2

    I very much enjoy these substitutions.
    Thank you, professor.

  • @theimmux3034
    @theimmux3034 3 роки тому +9

    How do we know we aren't just too stupid to find a closed form representation of that series? How do we know that it is a new constant of it's own? Like what if we never solved the Basel problem and just called it a new constant?

    • @TheEternalVortex42
      @TheEternalVortex42 2 роки тому +2

      We don't know. It could be that one day someone finds a different expression for it in terms of other constants.

  • @pierreabbat6157
    @pierreabbat6157 3 роки тому +3

    How does Catalan's constant compare to Occitan's constant, Valencian's constant, or Balear's constant?

  • @SabaSa6a
    @SabaSa6a Рік тому

    It turns out that integral of atan(y)/y over 0 to x is a special function called Inverse tangent integral Ti_2(x).
    It is easy to derive its power series representation (by using that of inverse tangent function):
    Ti_2(x) = 1 - x^3/3^2 + x^5/5^2 - x^7/7^2 + ...
    and then Ti_2(1) = G

  • @waldomcnaldo7306
    @waldomcnaldo7306 Рік тому

    I took Prof. Bradley's discrete mathematics course while I was there. It's cool to see some of his work has been featured in a video!

  • @gregsarnecki7581
    @gregsarnecki7581 3 роки тому +2

    I was very recently looking for a solution to the integral of x/sinx after reading a paper by Silagadze from 2018, "Sums of generalized harmonic series for kids from five to fifteen". In it he gives the expression 7*zeta(3)=integral of {(πx/sinx) - (x^2/sinx)}dx; alas from π to 0, not π/2 to 0. Still, your video came at the perfect time! Keep up the great videos!!

  • @MathFromAlphaToOmega
    @MathFromAlphaToOmega 3 роки тому +6

    In general, I don't think there are nice formulas for sums like
    1/a^2k-1/(n-a)^2k+(n+a)^2k-(2n-a)^2k+...
    where the sum is over integers congruent to +/-a mod n. Similarly, sums with all plus signs don't usually have closed forms when the powers are odd. This has to do with special values of L-functions, which I'm not an expert on, but maybe there are counterexamples to this rule.

  • @chessematics
    @chessematics 3 роки тому

    2:29 WEIERSTRAẞ!! Another underrated method in calculus 2.

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 6 місяців тому

    I would calculate it following way
    Integration by parts with u = x and dv = 1/sin(x)dx
    (Here 1/sin(x) is quite easy to integrate when we use double angle formula
    1/sin(x) = 1/(2sin(x/2)cos(x/2)) = 1/(2sin(x/2)/cos(x/2)cos^2(x/2))
    1/sin(x) = 1/(2tan(x/2)cos^2(x/2)))
    Now I would use substitution u = sin(x)/(1+cos(x))
    Then finally I would use power series (In fact it is geometric series with common ratio -u^2)

  • @Fortitudeize
    @Fortitudeize 3 роки тому

    If you do this integral by substituting the complex exponential identity for sin(x) you find a nice proof for the value of sum(n=0,inf) 1/(2n+1)^2 by comparing the real and imaginary parts of the integral. It also uses the Leibnitz-Madhava sum.

  • @Willtedwards
    @Willtedwards Рік тому

    Could you have also opted for an IBP to bring tan(x/2) into play?

  • @Bodyknock
    @Bodyknock 3 роки тому

    One thing I'm curious about but can't seem to find the answer to is why they chose the letter G for Catalan's constant? Obviously there's overlap in constant labels (Gauss' constant is also G, Cahen's Constant is a C, etc), but often if it's a capital English letter it's the first letter of the name of the constant. There must have been a reason for the G, I wonder what it was?

    • @ojasdeshpande7296
      @ojasdeshpande7296 2 роки тому

      26 letter of the alphabet seem too less to us to use repeated notations and also Greek. Symbols

  • @IbrAhMath
    @IbrAhMath 3 роки тому +5

    Did I miss it or why was it okay to change the series and the integral?

    • @Wabbelpaddel
      @Wabbelpaddel 3 роки тому +15

      Continuous function in the sum and uniformly converging sum

    • @DeanCalhoun
      @DeanCalhoun 3 роки тому +1

      y is bounded between 0 and 1, and z is bounded between 0 and y. This means z

  • @adandap
    @adandap 3 роки тому

    Can this be done more directly using the Laurent series for cosec(x)? Seems like you should be able to, though the series for cosec isn't all that pretty, and involves Bernoulli numbers.

  • @tonywong8677
    @tonywong8677 3 роки тому

    I solved it by using complex integral. Z = exp ix, x = -i ln Z, sin x = 1/2i * ( exp ix -exp -ix ), Z from 1 to i, then equating the real part of the integral to get the same answer. I find out another interesting result when I equated the Imaginary part to zero. It shows that Summation of (-1)^n/(2n+1) from 0 to infinity is equal to pi/4. Which means pi can be written as an infinite series. Is there anything wrong with my calculation ?

  • @bobzarnke1706
    @bobzarnke1706 3 роки тому

    SInce the initial substitution y=tan(x/2) wasn't obvious, I integrated by parts, knowing that ∫csc(x)dx = ln(tan(x/2)). This makes the integral equal to
    -∫[0,π/2] ln(tan(x/2)) dx, where the
    substituting y=tan(x/2) is more obvious and gives -∫[0,1] ln(y) dy/(1+y²) (which I later learned was a known integral for G).
    How to integrate this wasn't clear but, after watching the video and learning that the result was an infinite sum, I expanded this to
    -∫[0,1] (ln(y) - y²ln(y) + y⁴ln(y) - ...) dy, each term of which can be integrated using ∫yⁿ‾¹ln(y)dy = yⁿ(ln(y) - 1/n)/n; evaluating the result at the limits uses
    lim[x->0] xⁿ ln(x) = 0. (Alternatively, replacing ln(y) by ∫[y,1] dz/z makes it equivalent to the above after changing the order of integration,)

    • @lukandrate9866
      @lukandrate9866 Рік тому

      -int[0,1] ln(y)•dy/(1+y²) can be again integrated by parts and then you just use the arctan series

  • @insouciantFox
    @insouciantFox Рік тому

    Leibniz rule is simpler here:
    Int_0^1(arctany/y)dy = int_0^1int_0^1(y²z²+1)^-1dydz
    = int_0^1int_0^1sum((-1)ⁿy²ⁿz²ⁿ)dydz
    Because f(y) and f(z) are ind. and equal,
    = sum (-1)ⁿ[int_0^1(y²ⁿzdy)]²=
    sum (-1)ⁿ/(2n+1)² = G ■

  • @brahimsebbata9036
    @brahimsebbata9036 3 роки тому

    Fine intégrale good explication

  • @pineapplegodguy
    @pineapplegodguy 3 роки тому

    I did a monte carlo integration of 1/2 x/sin(x) in the (0, pi/2) interval to find out if the result matched the constant... and it does not!
    import random
    from math import pi
    from math import sin
    somma = 0
    for i in range(10000):

    x = random.uniform(0,pi/2)
    f = (1/2)*x/sin(x)
    somma += f
    integra_f = somma/10000
    print(integra_f)
    the program returns something in the range of 0.5827 instead. any idea why?

    • @pineapplegodguy
      @pineapplegodguy 3 роки тому

      ok if anyone is interested, it's simply a matter of multiplying the integral by the length of the interval (so, pi/2)
      the following code gives the correct answer
      import random
      from math import pi
      from math import sin
      somma = 0
      for i in range(10000):

      x = random.uniform(0,pi/2)
      f = (1/2)*x/sin(x)
      somma += f
      integra_f = (pi/2)*somma/10000
      print(integra_f)

  • @sushildevkota350
    @sushildevkota350 3 роки тому +4

    This concept of converting integral into summation form and finally the integral is the best approach for tough calculus problem. So this question has been solved by me from this idea. I know this idea from olympiad and penn's technique.

  • @__hannibaal__
    @__hannibaal__ Рік тому

    In past i studied too much look like this integral with more parameter : result is fascinated

  • @thehokkanen
    @thehokkanen 3 роки тому +3

    Could you evaluate the integral of arctan(y)/y from 0 to 1?

    • @maxwellsequation4887
      @maxwellsequation4887 3 роки тому +11

      He literally just did

    • @thehokkanen
      @thehokkanen 3 роки тому +2

      @@maxwellsequation4887 I mean evaluate the exact answer

    • @davidblauyoutube
      @davidblauyoutube 3 роки тому +5

      @@thehokkanen The exact answer is Catalan's constant. It is unknown if this constant is rational.

    • @coc235
      @coc235 3 роки тому +3

      @@thehokkanen It doesn't have a closed form aother than just G, it's approximately equal to 0.916

    • @richardheiville937
      @richardheiville937 3 роки тому

      No close form does exist for this, this is a constant like e, Pi.

  • @erikross-rnnow5517
    @erikross-rnnow5517 3 роки тому

    Lovely video :))
    Maybe I'm just slow, but I'd love to have you talk us through some of the later calculations just a tiny bit more since I get lost without pausing the video to ponder how you got to the next equation. This is not necesarily a critique of your style because the lack of deeper explanations cut through to the interesting connections between the infinite series and a somewhat arbitrary looking integral at first, anyways, just an idea from a lowly pleb.

  • @redwanekhyaoui7232
    @redwanekhyaoui7232 3 роки тому +7

    Hello Michael.
    You usually switch intergals and sums (interchanging) but I think we are not allowed to do this always. It is under some conditions. Could you please make a video about this situation with an easy clear example? 😊
    Keep up the good content!

    • @InstigationMex95
      @InstigationMex95 3 роки тому +1

      If the sum does not contain a variable for which we are integrating you can take it outside of the integral like a constant :)

    • @vaddiparthyyyogeswara6921
      @vaddiparthyyyogeswara6921 3 роки тому +1

      Good observation. Even though it may be a correct one, explanation can not be skipped

    • @miro.s
      @miro.s 3 роки тому

      It would be nice to show it every time when it is applied after It’s a good place to stop

    • @failsmichael2542
      @failsmichael2542 3 роки тому

      If it works, it works.

  • @The1RandomFool
    @The1RandomFool 2 роки тому

    Complexifying sin and using geometric series to evaluate the integral leads to yet another solution to the Basel problem. It is present in the imaginary part, which must be 0.

  • @michelebrun613
    @michelebrun613 3 роки тому

    At minute 4:28 you should add a square in the drawing

  • @giuseppemalaguti435
    @giuseppemalaguti435 3 роки тому +1

    Non ho capito perché l'integrale di artangy/y l'hai fatto così complicato.... Non potevi fare un unica serie di potenze di arctg diviso y senza fare un doppio integrale? Grande Michael

    • @DavidSavinainen
      @DavidSavinainen 3 роки тому +1

      You could do, if you know the series representation of arctan(z) by heart. Not everyone does, but most people know the geometric series, so he uses that to derive the arctan(z) series.

  • @Fun_maths
    @Fun_maths 3 роки тому

    Hi, love the math and all but I have s different question, how do you make your thumbnails?

    • @MichaelPennMath
      @MichaelPennMath  3 роки тому +6

      I use coolors.co/ to make a color scheme and place everything in canva "by hand". For mathematical symbols, I copy and paste the unicode.

    • @Fun_maths
      @Fun_maths 3 роки тому

      @@MichaelPennMath Thank you!

  • @laurentpaget5388
    @laurentpaget5388 2 роки тому

    x = 4.(3-2.sqrt(2)) = .686

  • @cernejr
    @cernejr 3 роки тому +1

    Approx 0.916

  • @d4slaimless
    @d4slaimless 3 роки тому +1

    Why, oh why we use the serious expansion...

  • @spudhead169
    @spudhead169 3 роки тому

    2nd November is Trying to be Tom Scott day.

  • @mathematicsmi
    @mathematicsmi 3 роки тому

    I already published the solution of this question before 5 months.. good solution btw

  • @inyobill
    @inyobill Рік тому

    Isn't there a discontinuity of the function at x = 0?

  • @txikitofandango
    @txikitofandango 3 роки тому

    video duration is 11:11

  • @mohamedfarouk9654
    @mohamedfarouk9654 3 роки тому

    When you think it may be irrational, then it is.

    • @Pablo360able
      @Pablo360able 3 роки тому

      Do you think abs(ln(i^i)/pi) is irrational? Don't use context clues.

  • @anonymous-xm4gx
    @anonymous-xm4gx 3 роки тому +1

    Sir can you please tell what is the utility of this integral representation?

  • @nandeesh2ninad
    @nandeesh2ninad 3 роки тому +2

    I am faster