Nissan Takes the Tesla Approach with Its Integration on the Ariya
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- Jordan and Walker give you their first impressions of the Nissan Ariya from an engineering perspective.
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Excellent duo and great sense that Jordan wants Walker to lead with his observations. Mentoring 101 right here.
Walker did an excellent job describing his experiences. Jordan is so articulate and a pleasure to hear. Easy to see why he is a director at Munro.
Really nice and enjoyable presentation, and the two of you made a great duo.
Glad you think so!
Dashboard storage boxes. What a novel 1940’s and 1950’s standard feature return.
Good to know that Nissan is still innovating. Too bad that the company didn’t go bigger into EVs after they introduced the LEAF. I know they released an electric version of their small utility van but it did not come to North America. Hopefully they will be able to get into the EV sector before it is too late.
It might have been due the internal tension they had for a while at the leadership level topped up with covid.
Great cameo appearance by Sandy!
He didn't want anything to do with this piece of crap.
He was looking for Cory.
@@tomcrouchman Too biased to Tesla despite all its flaws.
@@sajiantony7473 really? please explain? tesla is the world leader in EV's and no one is even close. Tesla will run away with the market. NO one has a chance. All cars sold in the western world will be Tesla inside just like Intel inside computers. Tesla has won the game already.
That EESM drivetrain was initially developped by Renault in the Zoe, the exact same powertrain is also used in the Renault Megane Etech.
Cool thing it's that enables 22kW AC charging, they use the windings of the motor stator as chokes for AC/DC conversion
And introduced in 2011, so plenty of experience...
Really? I was thinking it was made by the Japanese? Zoe was so innovative back then....
Spoilers , its very CRAPPY.
@@markplott4820 Not at all, it's very efficient and don't use rare earth magnets.
I knew their unreliable tentacles were all over this. Renault = Nissan = JUNK!!!!!! Renault has a history with turning Nissan into junk. DO NOT BUY!!!
🙋♂️THANKS JORDAN,WALKER, AND ALL THE REST OF THE MUNRO TEAM FOR SHARING THIS 🤗💚💚💚
Thanks for watching!
Forgot to thank Sandy for his guest appearance.
Great video guys! Thanks
Our pleasure!
A flaw in the 'bench' footwell design is that anything you put in the passenger footwell can potentially make its way to the pedals.
I've put over 12K miles in an Ariya and that has never happened to me.
@@StubbyStan28 Because we're not in the habit of leaving items randomly on the floor in our cars. I wouldn't do that in any car.
Perhaps less "vertically-successful" but Jordan is an excellent orator, and that's what counts here. Thanks lots for the video, guys! Will we have an underside video?
Yes we will.
Absolutely love this video.
This two is solid together 👌
Great job guys. Jordan’s videos are the best!
We agree!
So nice to get a good solid review from technically astute individuals. Very interesting, Thanks
I love my Ariya (Platinum+). If I don't think about the price my biggest issue is the software. E-step is fine but the lack of true one pedal is a miss. Funny thing is that the vehicle will come to a complete stop & resume during adaptive cruise control. Great video!
I was thinking the same. Just wait for the auto brake to kick in and there is your one pedal driving ;)
I like the full frame around the windows on the doors. That’s one cost cutting action Tesla takes that allows wind noise.
Superb walk through!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I met Chris and Julie in Trujillo Peru. They are driving the Ariya on their Pole to Pole adventure. Seems to be a very capable vehicle.
Supper efficient review. You guys are really good together.
Thank you kindly!
I often wonder about the brake light issue. Good idea.
On a Tesla, the 3D car image representation shows the tail lights on when they are activated.
I loved Jordan's sense of humor with his "vertically successful" quote 😅.
I guess that makes him humanly successful 😉
As a Ariya Platinum user, I have to say Nissan's choice of materials to make the vehicle as light as possible is impressive.
5:39 Sandy easter egg 😆
Great job Gentlemen!
Thanks!
Interesting choices and a little bit flattering. Nice.
I love Nissan products I've owned several Maxima's and recently acquired a 2000 Infiniti i30. Highly under rated in my opinion. Super reliable, durable and inexpensive repairs (which were few) I hope the Aryiya gets traction in the EV market.
It will for sure
The cabin is nice and it is cheaper than Tesla. The tester said it is nice cabin to be in that says it all and it is front wheel drive which is very safe in winter snow/rain for daily driver
Nissan has been making junk for years. But with Carlos Ghosn gone, the Japanese are back to running the show and quality should hopefully improve.
Sandy walking in the background was like video Where's Waldo.
Searching for Cory.
Nice video
Test drove the Ariya. The screen would show you the gas stations but not the chargers. Thought that was silly and the software needed more work.
The software is a little hit and miss. The satnav is definitely a miss. It's TomTom and basically rubbish. But android auto/apple play takes care of that :)
It was not activated in NissanConnect in that case.
My Ariya definitely shows chargers on road.
@@CosmycalI rarely use the native sat nav. But I had a play with it the other day and it was displaying charger locations
You're lying or drove a prototype.
The single footwell in the front seems like a really bad idea. I don't think it is particularly uncommon for a driver to set things like shopping bags and purses on the passenger side floor. Doing so in this car could result in things rolling/sliding into the driver's side blocking pedal access.
Not a problem, if you want yo car order an accesory that adds an additional storage compartment that divides the footwell if you prefer it that way.
While they did not mention it the EESM motor eliminates the rare earth neodymium magnets which is a big cost adder and as they mentioned a supply chain constraint
It depends if the cost of the additional battery capacity isn’t overshadowed by the rare earth costs. Neodymium motors are almost always more efficient, which translates to less battery needed for the same range.
@@ClockworksOfGLCorrect, but batteries will get cheaper with time, rare earths not so much.
Every time Jordan says "right" is like nails on a chalkboard to me. The word "right" appears 72 times in the transcript in 29 minutes!
I know, right.
@@MunroLive, I enjoy much of the information presented on this channel, but this habit/compulsion/characteristic of unnecessarily adding the word "right" is simply too distracting for me to be able to watch this entire video.
Right?
Is this a model with the ProPilot 2.0 system? I haven’t seen anyone take a close look at the engineering of how they stuffed the self driving computer behind the rear seat, along with a 2nd, dedicated 12v battery for that computer in the back.
5:39 wild Sandy sighting
Need to make the Sakura EV available in America to replace the Leaf model. Make it affordable at 18k to 22K and two body style. A mini people mover and a 2 doors extended cab mini pickup.
Taking a look at the Sakura which is a Japanese kei car but for such a low price with its major features. It would sell well here. Around $14,000 110 miles EPA, 80mph, its a four door people mover. Minimial styling in side but has what you need. Especially at the low price.
6:05 "what is your opinion on the buttons?"
.. slides fingers over and activates stuff accidentally..
nuff said? :D
Hey 'kids" of this video[and out there} this writer and others can remember when the blower motor was in the engine bay till circa the 1970s. Then the car makers stuck it, no, make that buried it, under the dash. The reason, more money to repair the ^%$$@ thing when it failed. Even more money to repair if it leaked into the cabin. Its past time to put it where the Aryia has it.
Visually.. nice design.. bang for the buck in tech, performance and efficiency in everything else compared to a model Y.. a mess. You want to spend more to get some visual design you prefer.. but less of everything else lol.. go for it. Considering the actual sales of these vs model Y.. I think most people prefer Tesla's approach of more for less. Yeah.. it comes with some sacrifices imbedded with simplicity for production.. but it comes with a LOT of better tech, efficiency in everything and performance. An EV of this size to have less space and no frunk vs the Y AND still cost more, is just inexcusable poor design.. way to go with the HVAC design though.. but why is everything else taking up so much more room than other vehicles? Tesla has frunks.. Ford has frunks.. even KIa and Hyundai have small frunks.. why does Nissan and so many others have 0 space? lol. Bad engineering. And being a front wheel drive EV.. bleh.. terrible idea.
MODEL Y is a Better vehicle w/ MORE use cases than ARIYA.
Model Y is more Efficient , LIGHTER weight , Longer Range .
at least the ARIYA uses CCS , instead of DEAD Chademo , but Does not use Superior NACS.
At the price the Ariya e4orce 87 kWh costs in Switzerland I rather buy a Tesla Model Y or similar and also more advanced 800 Volts E-GMP cars from Koreans. Renault and Nissan are similar to the iD of Volkswagen, Skoda, Cupra and Audi - besides of the eTron GT costing three times as much - already outdated EV. BMW and Mercedes only partially competitive also costing double or triple the price with all in my Kia EV6 AWD has. Performance is great and I drive with an average of 16,7 kWh per 100 km since May 2022 when the Ariya should have been delivered. Communication with Nissan was very poor and the company seems to have big problems also for VIP customers owning a GTR - for electronics we had to go to a Hong Kong startup for some updated version in a 150‘000 USD car. So we do not think anymore that Nissan could survive with too expensive and mediocre products. Don’t get me wrong the Ariya is not a bad car if price would be down by 20‘000 USD😂
Wrong, there crates and box test on the Model Y and Ariya and they're pretty in line with the same cargo capacity, even with some box sizes the Ariya is capable of more cargo only with his trunk than a Model Y with trunk and frunk. So...
@@Cosmycal - Aryia is LESS Efficient than model Y , and cant TOW 3500 lbs.
Aryia is too HEAVY and has LESS range w/ Full Passengers + Cargo.
TESLA model Y LR still BEST option.
Would you please review / analyse the Subaru Solterra next?
Bring Walker back for the next one!
As long as the wheels stay on this time, I think many Nissan fans will be happy with this EV if they are brand conscious and brand loyal. If you look around though in this price and category... some will make a different choice. What is most important is that their is choice in the market and that Nissan has come to the party. I hope they will continue to improve and LISTEN to the feedback many customers and experts like this review has for them!
Toyota had the vehicle where the wheels fell off. That was the BZ4X.
Correct but at this point that is the bar that Nissan has to out due when it comes to a Japanese automaker bringing an EV to market that has to compete with Tesla. @@StubbyStan28
Should’ve had a Sandy counter. He walked by at least 3 times!
We see now why Sandy can drink beer and not gain weight!
Sandy is channeling Hitchcock, doing cameo in every podcast from now on .
#Ariya 😎👍with #e4ORCE 🏆
When does a module become a monument? Does it require height? We have a large number of monuments under the hood. Automotive terminology surely is creative.
For me, if it's not rubber, cloth, leather, wood or metal: then It's plastic. :)
You can get into all the science of different materials, G10, carbon fiber, fiber glass, polycarbonate, resins, etc. but it's all essentially the same to me. So I always find it funny when people talk trash about "plastic", yet they can talk favorably about similar materials that are supposed to somehow be "premium", like carbon fiber. The subjective realm of aesthetics just gets kinda silly to me.
CMF EV is a great platform
What is the drag coefficient with that flat roof?
i believe the brake pedal moving away from you when you don't expect it is a Mercedes complaint as well.
Hey Nisan when is electric GTR comin ?
Hi Sandi!! 5:13
Nice looking vehicle. Not enough bang for the buck though compared to Tesla. Making progress though.
Nissan made huge Mistake with ARIYA .
too Expensive & too Bloated.
they , Should have just made the LEAF Better.
@@markplott4820 Depends on your perspective. If you're talking market share then maybe. But that doesn't make the Ariya a bad vehicle or a bad choice. Whilst I have nothing against Tesla as a company their cars are not for me. I want some physical buttons......I want indicator stalks. I also don't want to smack my knee on a central screen all the time. I wouldn't even consider trading my Ariya for a MY. Different cars for different tastes.
@@handsofdoubt31 - just makes the ARYIIA less SAFE than any TESLA , with POOR sales.
the LACK of Intergration , speaks Volumes.
the R/N/M alliance wont LAST , they will be Absorbed.
Please tell more about the motor. I've heard MB also developed a new generation of EV motor not using rare Earth magnets. We don't know what China could decide in the future - controlling most of magnets supply.
I like this car. Some good points, some strange - a lot of wasted space in the front cabin, for sure.
Looking at the "office", those "buttons" - when will manufacturers get it into their thick heads that physical buttons are really, really good?.
When you're driving, especially at night, the last thing you need to be doing is checking which "tactile" piece of flat plastic you've hit. The location and/or feel of physical buttons is quickly learned and they then can be accessed accurately and without looking. Unless they're going to put more buttons on the steering wheel (as if the amount there already isn't confusing enough) this is a definite problem.
Glad Walker brought up the brake light issue on my car I'm never 100% sure on regen whether or not the brake lights are on! Can be scary.
"a lot of wasted space in the front cabin" - that is my wife's favorite location for her handbag.
Will you guys be doing a teardown on this Ariya?
I like the full frame doors which make for much better wind noise avoidance...something Tesla should have done. Also it's a simpler design which I'm surprised that tesla ignored in this case
Full frame doors should not exist. They're fugly.
@@GVGVIT fugly but functionally superior
I hope that in the future more OEM’s would produce quality vehicles for reasonable price. 60K?
I did a quick search and the closest inventory to me (Houston area), none had an MSRP of even $50K. They were all in the 40's. So I don't know if I would peg these as $60k
Does that motor design reduce drag when not needed on the AWD system, thus eliminating the need for axle disconnects for the rear axle shafts?
EESM reduce drag by their capability to control the field weakening effect on will, thus it can provide a bit more of efficiency on AWD drivetrains but only on that aspect, the passive physical drag like axle shafts and so on is the same as other electric motors.
Was wondering if this was a glorified compliance car under the hood. Glad to see I was wrong! Really like much of what they did hear.
Nissan had the Leaf many year ago, they had lots of time to do R&D, and they designed a vehicle in 2023 that doesn't even have a frunk 🤦♂
@@cyclopsvision6370 My car has a frunk, I personally don't find it very useful. If others want it that's their business, I'd rather something where the front is smaller like Nissan did here so more space inside can be available.
@@godofdunSame
17:17 .....where did the phone go? Is he a Wizard?!?
How many times did Sandy walk past at the other side of the room?
I like the underhood packing concept even though the systems packaging is far more crude than Teslas. HVAC all together is good. inverters separated from motors which saves on casing. Inverter and motor can be upgraded separately. Could have two electronics packages HV and LV. The brakes could be bought inboard and mounted to the motor. There is less happening at the wheels and could have aero-covers both sides of the wheel.
Datsun incredible!
Was this before or after the recalls?
That 12V battery looks huge. And is that a fuse box?
To my mind, Teslas aren't "simpler", they are Spartan. Nothing to get in the way to a driving experience besides a functional platform. Bling is extratranious. Dials and a multplicity of switches and knobs are not needed. There are many other cars inthe price point that offer those features, but they can't meet or match the efficiency and lower total cost of ownership and speed of charging that comes with a Tesla. Don't complain about the minimalist interior, embrace it. My one complaint, and it isn't just Tesla, is the use of "Piano Black" which is a fingerprint magnet.
you guy's mentioned that the Nissan had more head room than the VW id4 go and check it out the rear leg room and cargo space is larger on the VW plus the heating system VW came out with that first on the ID3 open the hood on a id4 and you will see that the fan and cabin filter is under the hood but it might not be used as a crush component like the NISSAN plus the id4 is rear wheel drive when it has a single motor.
I know it’s not the newest sexiest technology, but we love our frugal 2022 Nissan Leaf SV plus. It has a solid metal (no glass) roof, frame doors, blind spot monitor, real buttons, surround view camera, heat pump, one pedal drive and more. That and our 2023 Subaru Outback together cost about $63 K.
The externally excitable magnetic is far from an energy efficient design. It could theoretically generate more flux than a Tesla motor of the same size if they can manage the thermals.
Software, charging speed LFP, Superchargers, frunkspace, AP and Y is the clear winner.
The moveable center console is a godsend for anyone 6'4"! I've got a permanent divot in my knee from my Leaf!
please do MG4 Trophy
Battery thermal management yet? Maybe covered in a future video...
In a future video!
Nissan has worked on EVs for more than ten years and it shows
They Look Easy to Find
I thought that the most efficient heat pump designs were of the split type. Would Nissan's HVAC design imply a more severe range reduction when this car is operating in more extreme climates?
Testers report that, if the DC max charge power is not impressive, the recharging curve is unusually flat, making for a competitive recharging time...
Bjørn Nyland did all kinds of testing and reviews. He found it to be an ok EV.
The basic version did around 11 hours on the 1,000 km Challenge. The Toyota bZ4x took 14 hours.
Guys anyway to know room in back seat area?
"Externally excited" or "electrically excited", whatever you call it, it is one of the earliest AC motor designs used in the industry, starting from the late 19th century. You can find many examples of these motors on the youtube (ie ua-cam.com/video/fNuI6keQXYA/v-deo.html).
The advantage over PM AC (they are both synchronous machines), beside lower cost, is that the field can be modified depending on the working condition yielding better characteristics in some working conditions, but it has lower maximum efficiency since you need to apply some small power to generate the field.
Sandy walks by at 5:13
This car does have E-Pedal to regen to a full stop, not? at Ariya the button for it is at the center console...
Glass roof of Tesla gives great head room in backseat
Was that Sandy at 5:13 doing a "Stan Lee"?
High current, high voltage brushes?
High voltage, low current brushes. But the brushes are against a slip ring rather than a commutator so wear should not be a problem.
@@evan010101 No wear problem on 10 years old Zoes....
I want one. In black
So many little improvements during this transition
It's funny, I have 2 EV's in my family and plenty of friends with model 3's/ Y's, and other than storing charging cables no-one uses their frunk. That said if you bought a truck EV I think you'd use it all the time for shopping, travel bags etc vs the bed
It takes amps from the battery to excite the magnet less rotor, amps that are not available to drive the vehicle down the road.
Nissan and Renault are in an alliance so no surprise that you see this on Renault Zoe and Smart for 2 since Smart is done now also by Renault on Twingo platform
Monuments??? Like the Mount Trashmore?
Competition is coming™
The manual hood strut screams luxury. Sarcasm if you missed it.
It's an ev. You nearly never need to open the hood
hope they get rid of the CHAdeMO connector, to let you know of how useless it is in Australia. looking at data, out of 83,000 EV's in Australia about 2150 are Nissan, so you can Imagin the unnecessary cost outside of tesla super charges that every charge point has a CHAdeMO connector included just in case a Nissan needs charging.
A BLT fits in the center dash cuby just fine. I tired.
Guys I have to say driving a Tesla No buttons and knobs is luxury to me. Having it all in one place and with voice commands. The only thing i have to move is the drive selector. No start stop button, walk away lockup, camera security, best app software ever. I can find my car now every time. These are all luxury touches to me.
Found Elons account. That’s probably his next son’s name.
Agree
I agree as long as it's safe: the integrated turn-signal directional / indicators are still an issue for me. The concept of their operation seems half-baked and not as well thought out. If they intended its functionality to supplement their navigation workflow, such that the FSD package was informed of the driver's destination, they still should not have approved the change until after the level 5 FSD package was approved by regulators.
Not a fan of the minimalist. As a Buck Rodgers and Star Wars kid, need buttons.
Only issue I have with buttons is the amount of wiring and parts it requires for just 1 button. Take about 6 wires that have to reach a controller and 3 pieces of plastic not counting the actual electrical portion of the button itself. All that just to "partially" turn off traction control. Multiply that by 5 to 10 buttons turns into spaghetti behind the dash
It is nice to see the depth of your bench Sandy and Cory!
Cory has been GONE from munro for months now and works as a director for lucid motors. 😏
CORY is no longer @ MUNRO .
Cory working for the SITH @ Looocid motors.
Sandy sighting at 5:10
focusing on making money at the expense of making good product is what will make some OEM go bankrupt. people are getting aware every day. externally excited motor means the motor will have brushes & that is not reliable. permanent magnets motor is reliable because they are brushless & less components
Kill two birds with one stone? What do you have against birds? Having a Tesla approach is fine but what about cost of repair? I don't own electric but have wondered about the brake light situation. It used to be if you didn't want to show brake lights you could downshift or even use emergency brakes. We may need three lights for accelerate, coast and brake.
still missing Cory!
The buttons seem too small and close together on the bezel. Functionally grouping the buttons would be better instead of spreading them uniformly. I wonder what the body wind resistance is since that's such an important factor for an EV. A manual hood strut seems cheap for this trim level. Brake light indicator is a nice feature. I know it's a Press vehicle but missed the undercarriage view. Is no frunk important to EV buyers ? Overall good review, thank you for your time.
I would buy if these non-Tesla EVs are around $20k