Shiraz Wine from Iran suggests that Islamic alcohol is fine!
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- Alcohol (including wine and beer) is prohibited in Islam, and every Muslim knows it today, because, as they say, it is forbidden by the Qur'an itself.
Take, for instance:
(Quran, Al-Baqarah, 2:219) They ask you ˹O Prophet˺ about intoxicants and gambling. Say, “There is great evil in both, as well as some benefit for people-but the evil outweighs the benefit.” .
(Quran, Al-Maidah, 5:90) O believers! Intoxicants, gambling, idols, and drawing lots for decisions are all evil of Satan’s handiwork. So shun them so you may be successful.
(Quran, 5:91) Satan’s plan is to stir up hostility and hatred between you with intoxicants and gambling and to prevent you from remembering Allah and praying. Will you not then abstain?
Or the Hadith"
(Al-Bukhari, 69:481) Ibn ‘Umar narrated: Allah’s Apostle said, “Whoever drinks alcoholic drinks in the world and does not repent (before dying), will be deprived of it in the Hereafter.”
So, why is Shiraz Wine, which originated in Persia, so popular today, if it originally came from a country which prohibits wine...or was that always the case?
Mel has done some research and has found that historically wine was quite popular in Persia (modern day Iran), and was indeed very popular amongst Muslims for nearly 700 years following the demise of Muhammad.
To be sure, it was the Zoroastrians who introduced wine to Persia way back in 2,500 BC, and they believed that wine, in moderation, was good for you as it gave you wisdom and intellectual ability; so it's been around and used quite frequently for quite a while.
What about after Islam took over in the 8th or 9th centuries?
716 - 717 AD: The Umayyads liked wine. According to the Chinese diplomat Cefu Yuangui who visited the Umayyad court in 717 AD gave wine cups as a gift to the caliph Suleyman because he loved his wine.
Abbasids (upto the 14th century): the 14th century Persian poet named Khwaje shams-od-Din Mohammad Hafez-e Shirazi referred to the love of wine and women in much of his poetry, even mocking those who were against it. His one caution was that wine should be drunk in moderation, and those who drink to excess were bringing disrepute against those who were able to control their habits.
1680s: During the rule of Shah Abbas there were records of wine usage, and a famous painting from his court shows him and a whole company of dignitaries and guests drinking wine at one of his banquets.
20th century: Prior to the takeover of Iran by the Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979 wine was grown in large vineyards, and drunk by all echelons of society.
Mel showed a famous photograph of the Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi providing wine to a large entourage of dignitaries in his palace in 1971.
So, like so much of Islam today, much of what we are told is proper Islam by the Qur'an, and by most modern Muslims is not what was initially practiced by the earliest Muslims, at least not for the first 700 years.
It seems that many of the restrictions and practices we find in Islam today were not the case in the earliest years of its creation, which once again confronts the Standard Islamic Narrative (SIN).
Moving from Iran to another Muslim country Mel will show you in the next episode that this prohibition against Alcohol is also confronted by that countries love for beer; so stay tuned...
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I worked for a muslim firm in London in the mid 1970's. They told me that alcohol was not allowed to touch their lips so they drank it through a straw when they went to the nightclubs or casino.
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Amusing miracles 😂
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I have also heard that anecdote about a pilgrim bringing the shiraz-grape to France, from some "wine expert", but more interesting is that I know that younger Iranians of today drink, mostly smuggled alcohol. They party more than we do, just not in the open. When I see those pictures from the 60s and 70s, what a nice country it seems to have been. If I were young back then, I would want to visit, and to a degree still do. Great ski resorts, a very old civilization, with nice people.
But I have also heard that the iranian wine of today is produced under license by the mostly jewish, but also christian/zoroastrian minorities. Even for export. Iran's tyrannical islamic regime is actually less bad than disgusting countries like Dubai/Quatar or Saudi. Iran could become a great country again, and I am slightly optimistic.
@@irishheritage893 Belly dancing? You have River dance. Stick to that! 😀
But seriously, I have a very good impression of Persians as immigrants, even though I am very sceptical to mass migration waves in any form. I had a one year relationship with a Persian woman who was just the best. I let it slip away because she had a kid and I wasn't ready for that at the time, which was my mistake. But my dentist is persian, my son's best friend has persian parents, and they are lovely. My dentist is Persian, and he is very good.
So yes, I would praise the people of Iran as a very solid culture for which I have high hope, but it doesn't naturally mean that I would want 70 million Iranians moving to Europe. I just have high hopes for them. Being Scandinavian, I think I would have an easier time to associate with someone from Poland or Ireland. It's just that Iranians stick out of the general bunch of migrants as very easy to get along with, and they are good dentists. 🤣🤣
The North of Africa had HAD the finest wines on their hills...
Wine is fine in early Islam.
How early was that? Before the vine or the grape? 🍇
👉☪ Q16:67 And from the fruits of date-palms and grapes, you derive strong drink (this was before the order of the prohibition of the alcoholic drinks) and a goodly provision. 🍇🍇🍷🍷. After poisoning at Khaybar, Momo was not able to keep the alcohol down hence a "revelation " 🧘♂came to momo.. hence surah 2:219, 5:90
I had occasion to visit an Iranian's home. In the living room he had a life size painting from the perspective of the behind view. A man was dressed in pants via the view of his legs and wearing a long rob or coat; hands raised in worship. On the ground several clay jugs and visible spillage of contents - wine. Don't recall the focus of worship but I believe it was a crescent moon. I asked the owner what was meant for the wine? His response, Wine is from God, an expression of His Love. The man seeks more of that wine from God. Hafez gone allegorical.
In is-lam hypocrisy is order of the day
There has never been a bigger evil that has infected the earth as Islam. It's like a disease similar to cancer.
Hypocrisy is the main ingredient in a all Islamic dishes.
Very Interesting topic. Shiraz is my favorite wine. I haven't tried any from Iran but the stuff from Barossa Valley Australia is amazing.
I think I've tried Shiraz before, but I'm not sure. I know it was from Australia and it had a Kangaroo on the bottle. Have you tried the stuff from the Douro Valley?
There is a poem from Khayam the great Iranian poet that says:
“They say the heavens will shake if you drink a cup of wine
The heaven that shakes with one cup of wine is worth nothing
In the basement of our house there’s a big barrel of wine that if you drink all of it even one brick of our house will not shake.”
@@irishheritage893 I read somewhere that the Persians and the Celtic people are related.
@@irishheritage893the book that I read said that some of the historians and archaeologists believes both people groups (Celts - Arians) were living around the Black Sea and about 5000 years ago they immigrated from there. A group of them went to the Northern Europe and one group went down to Iran plateau. I was in Northern Ireland around Cushendall coast where I saw a sign from the history faculty of the queen uni that said Persians came to this region 3000 BC and introduced the people to agriculture and farming.
@@irishheritage893 Fars is another name for the Pars or Parseh, which means Persian and the word Persepolis is being taken from it. After Arab invasion because they don’t have letter “P” and couldn’t pronounce pars they changed it to Fars. Shiraz is the capital of the Fars province in the south of Iran.
Pretty taunting they have their time.
In Latin Europe, Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal wine is part of the meal and enjoyed only with food!
Are you from there?
Absolutely superb gentlemen
I lived in Dubai... despite muslims knowing alcohol was forbidden, they certainly drank it.... they knew their sin of drinking alcohol would be forgiven by fasting during ramadan.
Quran says they don’t know if allah the moon god or sometimes (Baal) can even forgive their sins
Essentially in the areas where the grape vines grew and those areas where they could easily ship in the wine, it was enjoyed. Most of those who were gainst drinking wince were from places like Mecca, where grapes did not grow... Similarly in Christian countries, most people drank wine, beer, ale, small beer or herbal teas... because the water would likely make you sick... especially if you were a traveller.
Wine isn't just made from grapes. People in Medina had dates, and people still make and enjoy date wine. I have heard that there are hadith to the effect that 'Umar said "O mankind! The prohibition of khamr has been revealed and that is made of five things: Grapes, dates, wheat, barley and honey ..." so it's not just grapes. In any case, if you've been following Jay and Mel for a while, they think that the Quran never had anything to do with Mecca but originated much further north.
You can't make beer from dirty water.
Cheers Mel n Jay.
Alcohol was fine in the Middle East until Islam came along. Islam seems to destroy everything it touches. Two of my favorite posters! Along with Al Fadi & Lloyd de Jongh. Many other good ones but I like these four.
By coincidence, last night we savored a bottle of Shiraz from the famous Mendoza wine region of Argentina. My father and grandfather, though, were tea-totaling Baptists pastors who never had a sip, not even for communion. Which grape do you think inspired the wine Jesus made from water?
This reminds me of a Russian film from the late 90s in which two soldiers are taken prisoner in Chechnya. Towards the end of the film they are put in a wine cellar, which they promptly drink dry!
It was in Iraq, "I'm not sure right now", and after the change of the regime and the transformation of Iraq into an Islamic state." but there were Governmental beverage manufacturing plants affiliated with the government were legally licensed, as well as liquor stores, and those factories produced most types of beer and what we call arak. You'll also find the same Factories in many Arab countries, but all of them are very far from the media, and those factories and government laboratories are covered up so well.
Hay everyone, I want you to understand one thing about Iran. Iran has been invaded by Byzantine and then handed over to their Arab proxies. It was IRANIANS who created a grammar and structure for Arabic language and introduced them to civilisation and role of law and bureaucracy, minted coins for them and brought them out of Bedouin way of life into the urban lifestyle. BUT remember Arabs never ever could change Iranian culture and way of life and Arabise them.
Iran’s history and culture is so rooted deep into the human history and the world civilisation that no one can change or erase that. Some archaeological excavations shows that wine and beer has at least 5-6000 years history in Iran. Why this particular wine called Shiraz is because of the kind of the grape🍇. It seems that that kind of grape use to grow in Shiraz and then it has been exported and planted in other win-yards around the world. Wine used as a medicine. It was the Iranian scientist Ibn-Sina that invented the Alcohol to be used for medical purposes.
I agree, and God bless the Iranians!
Shah Abbas Safavi was one of the fundamentalist kings of Iran who was believer in 12 Imam shiei which is one of the denominations of Islam, during the rule of this dynasty 12 Imam shiei denomination was announced the official belief system of the country, also Shah Abbas’s mother was Georgian, He attacked Armenia & Georgia many times and made a Genocide in Georgia, killing those Christians who were not denouncing christianity in the river mtkvari in Tbilisi
I am Iranian. Up until 1979 Islamic 2. invasion, alcohol drinking was common. Not many people drank, but there were cafes that served alcoholic beverage. There were two regions which were renowned with wine, One, being Shiraz and the other Urmia, in north-western part of Iran.I left the country and came to Noway in 1989. I wished to explore the world of wine. In Norway there are governmental shops that sell wine. I was in one of them for buying wine, where i saw they had some leaflets containing information about their selection. In one, leaflet, there were some of Omar Khayyam's poetries about wine. Those poets about wine are short and very beautiful.
Islam tried to ban wine 1400 years ago. It didn't succeed. It attacked our culture once again in 1979, it hasn't and would not succeed again.
Rules are made and revised by men in the name of Almighty.
Maybe that are purveyor to Paradise itself where there is wine
This Persian 'cultural evolution' from tolerant to prohibitive, reminds me of the American Temperance Movement in the early 19th century. Early restraints on excess drinking evolved, with conservative evangelical church support, into Prohibition in 1920 with the 18th amendment. Early Mormons owned vineyards and breweries and only emphasized the 'Word of Wisdom' restraints in their 1934 handbook. Roman Catholic exemptions for 'sacramental wine' drunk by priests during prohibition further aggravated 'non-drinking' evangelicals. All this points to the negative effects of religious extremism in restraining happiness and joy of its followers. Prohibition produced more social problems - gang violence and criminals activities - than souls saved. Another fine example of social engineering that 'ran amok'.
Shiraz Wine is Halal Bruzzar 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Did they not make wine in Algeria, and it was there biggest export.
Narrated by Gaber bin Abdullah:
We were with the messenger of Allah, PBUH and he asked for a drink. One of his men said: "Oh Messenger of Allah, Can we offer you wine to drink?" He said Yes. He (Gaber) went out looking for the drink and came back with a cup of wine. The messenger (Peace Be Upon him) asked, “Have you covered it with a twig in a transverse manner” He (Gaber) said, “Yes” and he (Muhammad) drank
Wine in Iranian culture is accepted and one of the important things of greeting the guests, but during the rule of islamists after the Al-Bouyeh dynasty they were eventually forced to not drink, but the democratic system was not forcing people, until the 1979 islamic revolution!!!
Also wine has the same meaning by the words which apostle Paul says and it’s borrowed from sophistic belief that wine is good and joyful to drink but every one should get drunk by spiritual wine!!! Or better to say drunk in spirit
Alcohol is still available in several Islamic countries today. Lots of bottle shops in Jordan. My friends tell me they could get it in Iraq. In Iran they made bootleg wine and went to parties where the women would hide it under their skirts on the way.
There's also Boulaouane wine in Morocco
Australian "Shiraz" wine is made from the Syrah grape, which definitely originated in France, in the area of the Rhone. It has no connection with Shiraz in Iran. Iranian wine was different. "Before the Islamic Revolution in 1979, there were up to 300 wineries in Iran; now there are none." -- Wikipedia.
Yes These Both Old Rotted Morons Are Giving Misinformation Typical Anti-Islamic Propogandists😂
Turkey... I'm sure next country. guessing
A few months ago, I drank a bottle of beer brewed in Turkey (although I also found some that was brewed in Lebanon. The brand of the beer is Leffe(?), Leife(?)....something like that. I am a beer snob who will only drink Deutsches Bier or Czech beer, but that Mediterranean beer was pretty good.
This may prove that the Ummayads were not Islamic. Also remember about their coins.
Shiraz is one of my favourite wine and it goes well with rack of lamb! I prefer New Zealand lamb…..
Sounds like a fantastic combo! I must try that.
people have been making alcoholic beverages in many places long before Islam emerged and influenced any of such places
no place is fully as Islamic as one might think or imagine
alcoholic beverages, like wine or liquor, is like food, music, art, and dance wherever it is cultivated, often takes precedence over religion, even ones like Islam
I lived in a Gulf country for a while and was in a hotel bar once, and there was a Muslim man standing there in a full white thobe, drinking down an entire bottle of red wine all by himself. I politely asked him is it not forbidden in Islam to drink alcohol, and he flat out told me that the Quran doesn't say it's not allowed. Either he was fooling himself, or he doesn't know the Quran. Honestly, I saw a lot of Muslims getting drunk. The clubs were full of them.
Korani8sts don't prohibit alcohol because it's not prohibited in the Koran.
I slam is in evolution... 🧐🤔
In Islam, “Iddah” is the waiting period set forth by Allah to determine whether or not a woman is pregnant. Allah speaks about the “Iddah” in Quran 33:49: “O you who believe!” If you marry believing women, and you divorce them before you have touched them (have sexual intercourse with them), then there is no ‘Iddah’ (waiting period to determine whether or not she is pregnant).
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Now, comes the long-awaited question: What is the “Iddah” (waiting period) for children who are under the age of menstruation - children who have no monthly circle; and therefore, they cannot get pregnant? Allah explains in Quran 65:4: “As for your women who have no monthly menstruation (i.e., too young to menstruate), their “iddah” (waiting period after divorce) is three months.” In other words, the waiting period to re-marry a child who cannot get pregnant after sexual intercourse is three months.
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Mohammed Hijab, the great contemporary Islamic scholar, explains the “Iddah” which is Allah’s eternal decree for all humanity in matters of divorce after having sexual intercourse: “If you just read the Quran”, says Mohammed Hijab, “You will believe that you can have sexual intercourse with a child - a two or five-years old child.”
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Good for you, Mohammed Hijab - good for your honesty. You are closer to God (or Jesus) who is “The Way, the Truth, and the Life” than you can imagine. In John 8:32, Jesus said, “You shall know the truth; and the truth will set you free.” Jesus is nowhere close to “Taqiyya-lism”. In fact, Jesus is “Anti-Taqiyya”.
Jesus is “Anti-Taqiyya”
YOUR Jesus was the BIGGEST LIAR!!!
Last time i had this sort of conversation with a Muslim, he was drinking a beer, fully aware that it was not alcohol free, while beeing very worryed about the infidels at barbeque being willing to eat pork.
Moroccan wine is really popular and exported in the region and biggest consumers of wine are females in the middle east
excellent wines from Leban, Turkey, Morocco, Ouzbekistan - Anis ALcool from turkey, Beere Efes from turkey etcccc...... many muslim countries have produced excellent wines during the centuries -- though this has becoming more strickt in the last decades - Muslim that used to produce excellent alcool have forbidden or seriously reduced the production in the last decades
I’m Iranian I think wine was not so popular in poor people community but in the middle class, educated And ruler class was popular,
I also read in the Islamic history all caliphs after Abu bakir, OmarOsman and Ali they drunk wine, so it was clearly was a sign of luxurious life
Good points about salafis dominating the modern muslim narrative.
I also think the strong position on alcohol is reflective of arabic, anti-colonialist attitudes to create a division between the west and east.
Drinking alcohol is a "western vice" that corrupts arab and oriental peoples.
Funny how they don't take the same position on smoking... smoking is seen a good and social... despite it being horrible for your health. And its also "okay" to see smoking as an acceptable form of rebellion against your parents showing you are an adult and a real man making your own decisions.
I will say in general muslims are more opposed to eating pork than drinking alcohol.... that's become the real dividing symbol for them to separate themselved from the west as an identity.
Muslims will smoke, drink, do drugs, hire prostitutes... but for them eating pork is worse than all of that.
Shockingly, Persia is an extremely ancient land that actually drank alcohol and produced their own grape varieties, long before it was enlightened by the Islamic invasions.
Nice. Shieaz wine. I would like to import it to Somalia.
From the Shiraz entry, at Wine Folly web site:
A rich, powerful, and sometimes meaty red wine that originated in the Rhône Valley of France. Syrah is the most planted grape of Australia, where they call it Shiraz.
The rules about alcohol do appear to have changed over the centuries, but the name of this modern wine is not necessarily an indication of that change.
First, as indicated in the video, the vines in France have been shown to be not genetically connected to Shiraz. Second, the variety is named after the Shiraz variety, due to the popularity of Hafez's poetry. Thirdly, the evidence for how the rules have changed did not include that a modern wine is named after this, but the evidence of poets referring directly to the original Shiraz wine and Europeans directly reporting drinking the original Shiraz wine in the 17th century while in Iran, as well as that the vineyards were destroyed as late as 1979 in Iran. I hope that clears things up for you.
@mysotiras 018 They do seem to be, but we don't have solid evidence for that just yet, only stories that this happened., which may turn out to be true.
Wasn't zoroastrianism the predominant religion in Iran? I have been told Islam is a minority, although the ruling minority.
You need Nabidh and Fadiq to become holy in Islam.
Wine and alcohol are good signs of wisdom - quran 16.67.
Muhammed was an alcoholic 🍷🍸🍹🍻🥂🥃- Sunan an nasai 5741, Sahih Muslim 2004d.
Muhammed did Ablution with alcohol - Musnad Ahmad 3594
"We were with the Messenger of Allah and he asked for water. A man said: Messenger of Allah, shall we not give you Nabid (local alcohol🍾🍷🍸🍹🍺🍻🥂🥃) to drink? His Holiness said: "OK". Then the person hurried and brought Nabidh🍾🍷🍸🍹🍺🍻🥂🥃" - Muslim 2011a, Muslim 3753, Sunan an Nasai 5741.
In the Uhud battle, Muhammed and his men went to fight the Qureshis after getting drunk with Fadiq and lost the battle 🤣🤣🤣. Muhammed lost his 4 front teeth.🤣🤣🤣 - Bukhari 4620.
It's easy for the wahabists of saudi arabia to take a strong position on alcohol, since grapes don't grow there.
Wine is expensive not for ordinary followers... But in Jannah everything will be free... And the river will be flowing with expensive wine!🍷
And there will be beautiful Houries to accompany the feast!👯
Because logically, in this life alcohol and houries are haram, but in paradise it's suddenly so good for you that you can indulge as much as you want. At what stage in this process does a sin become a blessing? Muslims also claim that Jesus is a prophet, but his first miracle was changing water into (the best) wine. Jesus also said the unbelievers would call him an "imbiber". Does a prophet engage in sin by drinking or creating alcohol?
@@ruralsquirrel5158 creating and/or drinking wine is not a sin... wine is an expensive and special drinks for feast and celebration... it's a common custom in many parts of the world.
try drinking mineral water or orange juice or anything a lot, you will get intoxicated too!
so, getting intoxicated, i.e. harming yourself, is sin because it's an act of killing your self.
a small amount of those substance is good for your health, your well beings, your mood, your social life.
but, some people get confused, of course!
I believed Shiraz or Syrah comes from France.
Interesting how Shiraz is located very close to Eden which is now underwater; the north coast of The Gulf of Aden (Eden).
Also, I know a couple of Muslims who drink quite alot more than I do.
I would also be interested in hearing what you have to say about music.
And lastly, I'd like to say " I'll drink to that!" 🍷😁
Hei-Mi-Mo-Ni (Āyīn-e Mānī / Manichaeism / Prophet Mani ) = Uyghur/Tibetian Mantra? Muslims was at the beginning was Manichian.
Wine can be taken,in moderate way..but not till drunk....muslim say haram, but his own prophet drink in the morning and evening....
Dr Jay this is really In-correct…. Talk to a french or a wine expert for that, you find out that it this Grape has nothing to do with Iran nor the town ….
The grasps used to make Shiraz Wine have their genetical origin in Central Europe. The grapes in Iran used for raisins today have no genetical connection to the Shiraz grapes… please do this background checks and correct this statement
Just a side note. Algeria was a was a wine exporter … Wine is still produced for instance in Egypt…
Did you actually watch the video? I was at pains to point out that there was no genetic proof of link, only a legend of vines brought from Iran to France, which isn't proof. Essentially, I investigated the question of whether Shiraz wine in France is from Iran and found the naming was likely done in honour of the original but the genetic testing disproved link, then you come along, without watching the video, and say this stuff... Jay's title was referring to the original Shiraz wine: there was a Shiraz wine produced in Iran at one time distinct from what is in Europe.
I think you must all learn to ignore alonzo til the end. Nobody must communicate with him at all.
And the Quran also says alchohol is a sign for those with wisdom :D
They're exporting these wines for "Infidel" consumption? It's illegal in Iran to consume just like it's illegal for Fentanyl production in Red China for local consumption but great to export to America and other countries.
To the two genius people in this video…Shiraz is city in Iran which produced and also from south France which is origin too. So two kind of wines totally…Iran exported this wine before when majority was Persian, Farsi then later After turning into Islamic nation it was was banned consuming.
Iran still has plenty of Zoroastrian and Christians living in their country…
And to this genius, how is that different to what was reported in video? It helps if you look at the video and not judge its contents solely based on the title? Thanks.
@@IslamicOrigins And to this genius fell for click bait, above comment is for the title not for the comment. I wrote for the title , many use this method to let view their videos
@@Imthesaviour I didn't write the title. The content of video is what matters. It does not constitute clickbait as it addresses the topic. There was Sheraz wine produced in Iran, historically and until recent times.
Are Sunni’s stricter about this than Shia’s?
Monammad drank wine .
To the 2 stooges who try everything to malign Islam...
Alcohol has been illegal for Muslim Iranian citizens since the establishment of Islamic Republic government in 1979.
The Law of Alcohol in Iran
The law is totally against producing, selling, having, and consuming alcohol in Iran. Accordingly, if you get cut while drinking or carrying alcohol, you will be faced with punishments like lashes, paying fines, or even jail. Not to mention that there is NO “Drinking Age” in Iran; so, no matter how old you are you will be arrested in case of being caught in any above-mentioned scenarios.
Barefoot is American isn't it?
Control your nafs.
Wine and Hebrew means non alcoholic there is another word for alcoholic wine my friend. Just because it says wine it doesn't mean alcoholic.
ALCOHOL DOES NOT BRING UNTIY
YOU LOST ME BUD.
Camel urine must have been hard to get back then, and the water from the zam zam was not fit to drink, if you read the Quran and understand the meaning of the word, not to be drunk is what it is saying. One cup not going to intoxicate you.
The basic question for Christians and Muslims is did Jesus die on a Cross? That he did is beyond a reasonable doubt. That is what the dispute between Muslims and Christians is about. Both believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Those Muslims who say he did not die on the cross blaspheme God without knowing it. Don't argue anything else. ( I have decided to preach nothing else but Jesus, and him crucified. Paul)
Jesus got thirsty and drank.
God does not need to drink.
God created what we drink.
What's your point?
Jesus got hungry and ate.
God does not need food.
God provided us with what we eat.
Jesus prayed TO the one God
Jesus is NOT the one God
@@aaronharun1394H Jesus was God in the flesh. He was temporarily on Earth in the flesh that we're in now. That's why he needed to eat and drink. That's way he prayed to the Father in heaven. God is TRIUNE in nature. So it makes sense for Jesus to do all those things.
Allah is a different story. The Quran and Hadiths say that Allah prays 🙏. Who does Allah pray to? That doesn't make sense because Allah is not triune in nature.
God can't drink. What an amazing argument.
@@Giant_Meteor
Those who are thirsty needs to drink.
God needs to drink? What a deluded conclusion.
The trinity is three gods.
Only if you are an uneducated fool, who can't grasp Christian doctrine.
@@IslamicOrigins
You don’t know Christian theology.
You can’t even define what one being is. What is the necessary property to be one being?
One mind or more minds? One self or more selves?
You are a Catholic. You are even more incoherent. You believe in divine simplicity. This the the teaching of Thomas Aquinas.
There are no real distinctions in god in his theology. His actions are identical to his essence.
When it comes to the trinity the persons suddenly become distinct.
It’s a real mess.
I don’t have to straw Christianity to refute it. I’m not like you.
Wow, so original. Never heard that one before.
How about staying on topic?
@@Giant_Meteor
There is no topic.
You are so tiresome. Stay on topic!
LoL The title is literally an oxymoron!!
Freaking amazing!
0:46 I couldn't even post the comment, before you literally addressed that word!!
well i asked some, and they said that even today, there is no wine allowed in Iran, the wineries that are present in Iran are actually owned by non Muslims today.
Alcohol is a sign from Allah:
Surah 16:67 And of the fruits of the palms and the vines, you take therefrom an intoxicant and a provision fair. Surely in that is a sign for a people who understand.
Cambridge Dictionary:
intoxicant
noun [ C ]
a substance such as alcohol that produces feelings of pleasure or happiness in a person
Surah 4:43
O you who believe! Do not go near Salāh when you are intoxicated, until you know what you say, nor in a state of ‘major impurity’.,-save when you are traversing a way-until you take a bath. If you are sick, or in travel, or if one of you has come after relieving himself, or you have had contact with women, and you find no water, go for some clean dust and wipe your faces and hands (with it). Surely, Allah is Most-Pardoning, Most-Forgiving.
Tafsir jalalayn
O you who believe, draw not near to prayer, that is, do not perform prayer, whilst you are inebriated, by a drink; this was revealed concerning being drunk during the congregational prayer; until you know what you are saying, when you have sobered up;
inebriated
/ɪˈniːbrɪeɪtɪd/
adjective
1. drunk; intoxicated:
2. having drunk too much alcohol: