INSTALLING FRENCH DOORS (Does This Qualify as Hazing?)
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The door frame is most likely twisted. To confirm this and know which corner needs to be adjusted, nail in finish nails at each jamb corner. Then tie a string to each of the bottom nails while pushing the string knot tight to the jamb. Draw each string diagonally across the door frames and tie to the opposite nails. Push the two strings down tight against the jambs at each nail. The strings will cross in the middle and should just touch. It there is a gap between the crossing strings or the strings are pressing against each other at the point that they cross, then the frame is twisted. As you push out or pull in a corner of the frame, you will see the results in the way that the strings touch or spread apart. The goal is to have them touch very lightly. Then the door frame is in one flat plane. When that plane is plumb, the doors will not swing on their own. For a great video on how to install French Doors see this Katz Carpentry video: ua-cam.com/video/Gr46nuFA1Bw/v-deo.html
10 dollars they have to redo. They didn’t account for the sub floor and flooring
I REPEAT PUT THE LEVEL ON THE HINGES NOT THE CASING. THEY MAY BE NOT INLAYED EXACTLY EVEN. PLEASE DO NOT BEND THE HINGE PINS. .......
Do not ever apologize for doing a job correctly.
I would make a comment but this video is months old so its a moot issue.
I will install Windows but I will not install doors I pay somebody for doors they pissed me off
Put the level on the hinges not the casing. maybe the hinges are not set into the casing equal
Are adjustable jamb screws not a thing in the US? Bigger diameter piece into the jamb (to be covered by a cap/ and slimmer screw into the stud/wall, and they can be adjusted relative to each other adjusting the jamb.
A SOLUTION to your exterior door hinge problem - Use Extended Door Hinges... (Also known as Wide Throw Hinges)
I think you should have the doors so they automatically swing open
Reasoning Bean, if I want the door open I have it open all the way.
If I want it closed I haven't closed all the way and latched.
If air flow is not enough in the house with the windows open I would need the doors wide open as well, not partially open
If you do want door stops bolt a Magnet plate into your door outer frame edge. Your door should be metal so when you have it open the magnet attached to the Wall holds it in place and with a little force you get the door to release. Common method used in Europe
Jess...stop beating yourself up...A-Fact-Of-Life is: when you do a Project for the first time you will most certainly take six times longer than it should and you will most likely make every conceivable mistake there is before it's correct. Professionals are not born that way...they made innumerable mistakes and wasted countless hours before they Mastered their Trade!
Those French Doors are going to drive you Insane before you get them right...they are not an easy project for anyone. Look at the bright side...you have access to the Web...Old Timers did not ;)
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Take a string from top right corner to bottom left and from top left to bottom right and check if the door is twisted a little when the stings just touch it’s not twisted
I worked 24 years at the local community college and had a chance to work with a carpenter when he was working on a door that was swinging like yours. I did not completely understand what he did but he basically bent the hings close to the pin and that change the orientation of the door just enough to prevent it from moving by itself. Maybe there is someone there you can ask and have them explain the process.
I also saw on a television fix-it program where they removed one of the hing pins and bent it just a little bit and that caused just enough friction to prevent the door from moving by itself but not enough so that you would notice it when moving the door yourself.
Had the same problem years ago. This is what you do level and plumb your door frame don't put the level on the doors. Then make adjustments on the hinges them selves. Your talking big doors here and they will move. You will notice the difference from winter to summer.... live with it after that....lol
i install doors and windows for a living nail fin doors are by far the easiest to install if your openings are right. i will say most doors are not perfect you just have to make them work in the opening
Trying to get everything perfect is certainly your choice, but life is not perfect. All houses move - no matter how well built. Perfect goes away. The goal should be to be happy, not to be perfect. When you are 70 (my age) your less than perfect body teaches you to be satisfied and happy with what you've got. I love that cat!!
Great stuff, and i am happy that you got them in, if not set 100%
So here is my 2c, as a traditional carpenter for over 25 years..i know a bit.
I suspect the front face of your property is not 100% plumb, hence your door frame may be plumb to the face of the building, but the building is out of plumb. so even if it is a little off, the doors will swing open / closed, as proof in your video.
You need to "wind" the doors frames in, so that they line up with each other(usually to within a 32nd of an inch) by eye.
To do this, open both doors and slip something under them to ease the weight a little, but do not put pressure on them(this will let the frames rest) then go outside and look up and down the closest door jamb(on the outside edge) to the inside edge of the opposite jamb, and compare just how parallel they are to each other. This will let you know if your frames are twisted. So look from right outside, to left inside up and down the door jamb(frame) to unwind it, then you can can calculate which door will sit open and which side to adjust(you may have to do both).
You can also do this by using the string method, put thin string diagonally from the 4 corners see if they meet in the middle at the X point, this will also let you know if your frame is twisted, simple, timeless, proven to work.
I suspect this is the case for both frames, as you have the closing gap in the middle which is off. This will usually indicate that either the frame is twisted of the hinges are not set 100%, and as you are using modern hinges, they will swing open very easily.
The 2nd door you worked on is poof of the above concept, as you said that the frame is 3/4 of a inch sticking out of your property, this can be fixed, and fairly easily, just it will take time and experience to perfect your hand skills. Have a chat with your neighbours and ask about, maybe you can get a friend or a old carpenter to pop over and help out, i hear icecream is a good bribe :P
As to the closing gap between the doors, others have said just weather strip it and be done... yup it will work, but can you live with knowing you didn't do your best work? And remember you are going to live there, looking at it every day... just a thought...
Good luck and let us know how things move on
Ran
Now I assume you are going to construct some kind of a porch or balcony outside of the doors?
its is what it is . are the jambs straight? are the doors absolutely flat ? probably not that why its a compromise game .....
When you had that teeny tiny gap at the top of the door, maybe placing a thin metal shim (pop/soda can) behind the hinge would close the gap. Also, I'm quite sure there's minut warpage of the doors due to the extensive glass.
Don't the doors have adjusters on the hinges?
You can get hinges that have an extended pivot point bringing the pivot point into the interior enabeling the door to open completly
french doors are always leaking somewhere.heat and cold will change tolerance on all material.
could you have just taken the header out and burned the styrofoam out and moved the header up the 1/2'' ????
Hinge locations in door frame... Don’t expect the manufacturer of the door assembly to do you any favors. Love you guys
Just out of stupid curiosity...why and when did you go with a Dewalt impact driver...last I saw you had Milwaukee and Makita??
Hi guys first comment for me been watching for quite a while ,having installed many doors in my days I believe your doors have a twist in them from either manufacturing error or shipping /storage .To check them place a level vertically on face of doors at hinge side then on strike side they should be the same,if not your EXPENSIVE doors are to blame and not your installation methods.these things are not always the installers fault .I realize this is an older video and you have resolved this already (hopefully)but thought it might help someone else in the future.
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is it just me, or is those doorframes really thin, i bet they flex like hell, is this normal in the us!?! the frame is the support 4 the heavy outside doors, that is just wierd. So weight from the doors goes 2 the hinges, gets support from 1 normal 15:40 screw?!? into the wall, where they finally gets some support.
good luck with that, u r gonna need 2 do this, again, and again, when the house sets over the years, mby works in a concreate house.
I normaly put a heavy frame in, make it plum, put strong framing screws in though special shims, ajust them. put the door in, ajust the top/bottom hinges, then the middle support hinge. U dont ajust the door, by ajusting the the frame!
The door problem is most likely in the way the hinges were set. You'd have to slide the hinges in or out in the casing. Oh and the difference between a good carpenter and a so-so one, the ability to fix your mistakes.
I remember, long ago, when doors & windows was a stack of beautiful mahogany lumber on the floor. I built so many, cabinets too, it became an easy, enjoyable task! Then I met my first pre-hung door. I pulled my hair out too!! A perfect door in a not so perfect wall. Square peg in a round hole... ya gotta cheat a little! It’s ok.
Your attention to detail is absolutely awe inspiring. I love it. Keep up the good work and this will be a home for generations.
You will never want to leave those doors open without a door stop. Just a little breeze will slam the door open or closed. Heaven help anyone that has their fingers in the way.
I love to see you guys put such pride in your work, no one cares like you do. Way to many people say if it looks good it is good that is not true, it's always worth your effort to do a great job especially when it's for your future children. Great job & thanks again for sharing your extraordinary talent with all of us.
i had a similar problem with some french doors .
i called out the fitters and showed them the problem i was having.
and they said i was flush and plum .
and yes there is light showing through..
he simply pushed the handle up to the lock position and it pulled the doors tight together.
again not sure if your have the lift to lock function.
You door problem is probably due to twist in your wall. Regardless your house is going to move around over time and the fit up will change around with it. Good job.
Your spot on take your time and set both doors up correctly it will be worth ir
Ha ha. Your door frame is skewed. It may be plum and square, but it has a very small twist. Good luck....
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French doors are a PITA! I see a lot of armchair builders blaming the door. Have any of you ever installed a French door? Its almost guaranteed to not work out the first time. It takes time to get all the gaps set nice and all the seals lined up but it’s absolutely doable. A bad installer blames the door...
I wonder how many views you would get on a 10 minute "all-bugaboo" video...
Not a carpenter, but am a math/geometry geek. Is a hinge slightly wonky? That would mess with all of the rest of it. The door has several pivot points for things to get cattywonpuss. Good luck!
It is all on how the hinges are mounted on the frame-easy fix. We went through all that with 4 new custom entry doors. To the rescue came an old grandfather Clockmaker that adjusted the hinges with wood glue, wood match sticks and many years of adjusting problem doors. He fixed all 4 doors in under an hour! Factory made does not mean they work properly! Good Luck!
Those hinges are adjustable in all 3 axis, look better at them and you will know how to get this perfect ;)
Also you might want to look at them every season change cos they tend to require some adjustment every now and then.
sounds like you might have warped door slabs, its an unfortunately common issue that you need to check especially on french doors.
Lots of smoke. How far away is the fire?
Final fitting with a tired brain/bod... challenge. Rest, then morning will bring answers/success.
Installed lots of windows. I could do windows all day no problem. I've installed a handful of doors and each time I end up spending half a day screwing with them trying to get them to open and close properly. I hate installing doors.
Installing windows and doors are “So Great”, I bet you want to Move In? Sometimes you need to take a break when dealing with double doors......Your Active door is where you start for adjusting good Luck.... Well you two, it’s time for the “Roof”!!!!!! “Get your Home Weathered Proof”, you will be so relieved and have that “great accomplishment Feeling”. Nicely Done
What a milestone guys. The place is really coming together. Keep it up.
Awesome!! Your house is looking more like a home! Beautiful!!
Boy, that's a tough one Jess! One thing I think you could do rather than " beating your head against" whatever, is decide to let it rest over night. It will be there in the morning! In the morning decide to do one of 2 things 1) ask an expert or 2) act on what your thoughts developed overnight.
Your process of not letting go until you have a solution does work for you. Not saying it's broken just felt your complaints warented an alternative to your current pattern. If you like it employ it. If not stick with what you do. Forgive me if I miss read you expressed thoughts.
Love you guys! Happy home building!
Wifey needs a construction workers back brace m8, her back is clearly hurting.
A trip to the gyroproctor and a good back masseuse isn't an over indulging luxury either.
Remember, you can only screw up your back one's.
Just declare the self-closing doors a FEATURE, problem solved. Good enough IS good enough.
Congratulations on this milestone!
So before you start hanging doors inside, check into the STABILA Jamber level. It's 6'6" and has magnets that hit standard hinge placement. It makes plumbing doors so much easier. Warning, It isn't cheap.
Doors are frustrating sometimes you just have to walk away for the day and start again in. The morning sometimes it will just click. You will get it eventually.
Another tip is to use a piece of thin cardboard behind the hinges and they stop flying closed.
LOL...You guys need someone to teach you how to do things...You should have ordered the door with the correct width threshold and jamb depth...Doors cost far too much to screw the pooch...You should have never had to cut that header: EVER on new construction...It's not hard to find the rough opening...
congrats that is a nerve racking job !!!! nicely done
There is an art to hanging/installing doors. A good door guy can have you where want to be in about 5 minutes per door. Might be worth getting a referral from your hardware store and 'pay' a guy with some canned goods to show you the magic.
Screw count 39425.
Tweak the hinges,with a hammer, adjustable wrench ,etc.
you are doing a great job and taking the time to get thing right will be a big plus in the future. How is Mr. Bugaboo going to get in while you are working on the interior, you know he has to give his mark of approval, LOL
why don't you make your own shims from all the timber offcuts
Everything is adjustable. Keep going until you are satisfied. Good job! After jamb extensions doors will not open as far. 2x6 doors would have been better. Lesson learned.
Love your show 😚
Lady with those arms you should have been able to pick up those doors yourself 😃💪💪
Your level is self checking. Just check for plumb with the level, then flip the level over and check the reading with the other side using the same bubble. If it gives you the same reading you are golden. If it is different you have a problem.
i would think your door problem is in the latch if the latch is set right there should be no shake like that between the doors when it shuts and latches you can see light because the door is not latched tight
Three words, "wide throw hinges"! Wide throw hinges are designed to work for situations like yours so you won't have to taper your jamb extensions. Oh and DO NOT USE hinge mounted door stops they put a ton of pressure right at the hinge where you don't want it. I've seen hinge stops either break from the weight of the door or if they don't break they can rip hi hinges out of the jamb or door itself.
French doors are the worst to install.
Forget what people say, this is your house. Build how you want to, hatters are jealous!
Oh! my goodness guys... the house looks awesome with windows, black outer trim good choice.
Cut off the vinyl lip on the outside, then move the door inside past the osb to flush of whatever drywall thickness you are using, then attach the jamb extension on the exterior side and it will work like a normal door , or take it to a cabinet shop and get them to make a custom door jamb and rehang it for you. Get the manufacturer to send you a few ft of the vinyl and contact cement it over the entire jamb thichness or the jamb extensions. If you didn't cut the opening at least 1/2" bigger than the height you are going to have all kinds of problems as the timberframe settles. What is your finishex floor thickness i am guessing you will use lighweight gypsum and tile or carpet, I always install the doors on top of the finished floor or build up the sill to that height , did you install them high enough to clear your finished floor. Once you get drywall and door casing installed they will not open as far as they do now.
I believe you said you have top and bottoms locking bolts on door. So just plumb jamb how you want. Door are never true. Then lift up on handle to engage top and bottom bolts. This will also self align door.
Remember that the weight of the door is on the outside of the hinges. When installed plum, they will always want to close by them self. Not so noticeable when the door is lighter than the ones you are installing. And always install your doors plum, because crooked trim will drive you crazy 😅
Love your videos. My daughter has high end French doors and they are adjustable. If I remember correctly the adjustments were made with an Allen wrench. Just a thought.
I feel you about the doors. This old house doesn't have a single door that works properly. They either swing open because the antique knobs don't catch or they rub the floors or the door frame. Some days the problems are different because of humidity and the doors stick shut and you have to shoulder check them to open them. My husband wants to keep it all original but he also yells at the kids because they have to slam the front door three or four times to shut it.
All the door and window fitments will change once you have been in for a year. Thermal and humidity changes everything. The building will settle. Everything will move.
Please tell me the windows and doors have a protective film on them. They all look hazy.
Over the years I have found that the devil is always in the details. Good for you taking the time to get it right.
It's not a "Hack Job" it's an alternate route to a preferred result. You do good work regardless of how inefficient it may seam. Be positive and remember where it was 6 months ago. I really enjoy watching and learning from your videos so keep on keep in on...
hinges always go flush with the wall even on exterior doors,theres flashing if your worried about weathering
French doors in the U.K have adjustment setting in the hinge which use align key to bring it in or out and to stop the door swing back or forward , Jesse have a look and see on your French doors . Stuart from Northern Ireland
French doors are crazy, think if you had, had someone goof up the concrete opening of your French doors, and mine are five foot doors not the standard six foot door. I feel your pain totally.
Is there a reason you did not remove the doors, place the frame in put doors back on and square the frame?
Scanned through this video and remembered why I stopped watching this build.
my grandfather told me anyone can hang a door, only a carpenter can do it right, well i learned that how you start is how you finnish. so all the fussing with the sips so you can get drywall in, is why you're having a tough time with the doors.
I have always wanted a phone operated door opener so that I could open the door on my way in out of the rain. Of course it would also unlock the door. I would love to see you guys implement this idea and explain its nuances.
Hey guys just a thought have you dropped a plumbline on the outside of the front of your building from the peak to the ground and see if there's any different measurements
I know that your real far ahead of this video in working on the house, but the doors will not swing in as far as you think, why? trim has to go up and the door will not open the way that you think they will. It's way to late to think of it now but you could have angled the inside corners of the door openings to salve the problems, like a 45 degs or 35 degs so the doors could swing in a lot more. It would look different but it would have worked. You know the old saying, Hind sight etc.......... Have a great day!
Easy enough to check your level - so check that first. If your level is ok, then it can only be either your walls or the doors- good luck.
I know nothing about doors, but isn't there an adjustment or in the door hinges that allows you to plumb the doors independently of the frame they are in?
You can check the level by just reversing it and comparing the readings, if they are the same both ways then your level is good.
someone may have said it in the comments already but if you put a heavy grease in the hinge it will help with it swinging/ghosting
I called it that your level was out of caliber since 4 months ago. You had dropped it in one of the videos
With French doors the gap in the center maybe too tight do to the top plate Boeing upwards. When you have a gap in the center you need to check the length of the top plate in relation to the bottom plate. Manufacturers have been known to make a mistake and have one of the plates longer than the other. The doors are springing inwards or outwards because the side frames are twisted and you're putting a load on the hinge.
pad the hinges so the gap is equal all around
Looks amazing
So proud of y’all for the awesome progress
“Just keep swimming just keep swimming” lol movie reference
You guys are such an inspiration to me. Being a perfectionist is not a bad thing either. It's a great habit!