Tory peer rips apart government's Rwanda bill in House of Lords
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- Ken Clarke spoke in the debate on the government's Safety of Rwanda Bill in the Lords on Monday, and he didn't hold back on his party.
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It's worth remembering that Clarke was one of the first MP's Boris Johnson kicked out of the party immediately after becoming PM. Clarke responded in an interview by saying how he no longer recognised the Conservative party, calling it "The Brexit Party, rebadged".
Given the past 4 years of borderline "hard"/far-right "Trumpian"/"Populist" nonsense, I think Clarke was more right than he was aware.
Calumbishop ..VG observation.
Before that, he voted against the triggering of Article 50. It is such an utter shame that a Tory MP of the stature and gravitas of Ken Clarke would see his illustrious parliamentary career come to such an undignified end. He served in the highest levels of government, was a minister for the entirety of the Thatcher-Major years and was still a leading figure in government under David Cameron. I'm sure he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but I think it would be safe to say that had he, somehow, become Tory leader and/or prime minister, the party would be in a much better place than it is now. I know a lot of the current Tory leadership don't like him and he is seen, rather derisively, as a bleeding-heart liberal Europhile (along with the likes of Michael Heseltine and John Major).
Another MP Boris kicked out was Winston Churchills grandson, despite claiming to worship the ground Churchill walked on. Isn't it funny how the current breed of Conservatives claim so much reverence and kinship with people like Churchill and Thatcher yet work tirelessly to scrap so many of the things they helped build.
Cause he is one of the Conservative u can't bamboozle
There are more ethnic minorities in the cabinet than in the Labour party; the P.M. is Indian; they blather on endlessly about how essential immigration is to our economy; ! million visas issued last year; they minted a coin proclaiming "Diversity Built Britain, and minted another showing Britania as an African woman. In what universe does this qualify as "hard/far right"? You're living in a Left-wing fever dream.
If Rwanda is such a safe country why are we accepting asylum seekers from there ? Makes no sense but then neither does this government.
BANG ON
We accept asylum seekers from safe countries
Prove it !
@@vvwalker7261 name them troll
@vvwalker7261 that's a blatant lie.
I checked - he is 83. Speaking cogently and without notes. I often disagree with Kenneth Clarke's ideas but I hope I can be half as eloquent as he is when I reach my eighties.
Joe Biden is 81 years old, just thought I would add that
I have never voted Tory, but I am old enough to have seen and heard Ken Clarke talk common sense on many issues during the last forty years. I have come to view him as the conscience of the Tory party, and I think that as long as there are Tories of his stripe, then we will be saved from the worst excesses of Tory idiocy. It is of considerable concern that there are fewer and fewer Tories who are as thoughtful, cogent or eloquent as Ken.
I agree, but unfortunately he’s not a Tory, having been booted out because he voted with his conscience instead of following party dogma when he knew it would damage the country. It’s a crying shame, but thankfully he still has a voice.
@@Poshfrocknfluffyslip He lost the party whip in the Commons in 2019 but is still a Conservative and sits as a Conservative peer in the House of Lords. I wish there was politicians of his calibre in the House of Commons these days.
Well said!
sadly the current government are a bunch of right wing nut jobs now. I think centre right Conservatism has been replaced with the worst parts of UKIP and all the stupid that comes with it.
I could wish he were the tory consience. Sadly he is a mere echo of times past. If he were Jimminy Cricket then the torys are constantly having to remove 2ft a week of excess nasal growth, despite the enduring wish to become a real party
Well said Ken Clarke. I'm not a tory supporter but usually have time for what Ken says (not just because he's a Notts boy and a jazz & cricket fan) as he's "old school" when agree or disagree you could still describe him as a decent, moral, public servant who spoke with common sense ..... and this speech today was without notes, good going at 83
You're just as out of touch as he is. Glad you're happy with immigrant alkali attacks though; you're just the sort of idiots these people rely on to stay here
He has the wisdom of knowledge and experience.
And is old enough not to care who he offends with what he says.
Good for him.
Very impressive man.
I agree, He’s never been one to blindly toe the party line, I also always liked that he came from his constituency, it wasn’t unusual at all to see him out doing his shopping in ASDA… the current incumbent was parachuted in from Wales I believe, not much in the way of local representation…
I'm not a Tory supporters either bit have respect for him.A decent politician.
What’s truly shocking is it takes a Tory to say this!
Ken Clarke always was one of the good ones. Let's hope someone's listening
The point is just that. He is a Tory and most of the Government benches are not.
Ken Clarke might be the only reasonable Tory left
@@AdrianNelson1507 I mean historically he wasn't. He was pretty enthusiastically Thatcherite in his day.
What is shocking is that the Tory party has moved so far to the unhinged right that he is now comes across like a voice of moderation.
The Tory party had Liz Truss as a leader and Rishi was forced to use Cameron in his government. They aren't quite putting up signs in windows asking for sensible competent Tories to help out the party but it's getting close.
The PM says that the Lords should not interfere with ‘The Will of The People’. But who exactly are these people? I certainly don’t know anyone who supports the Rwanda Bill and the polls don’t support Rwanda. The will of the people is screaming for a GE now!
The far right always try and invoke a silent majority. They count on apathy (and where possible, the threats of violence) to make sure nobody counters their claims.
Also the lords purpose is basically spellchecking the commons, these debates sometimes make the rounds on UA-cam but the commons can force through what they like in the end so to argue that it is in some way undemocratic is silly really.
This government has wasted so much time on this bill. Waste of public money.
So good to hear someone able to speak clearly and simply. I too fear moving to a elected dictatorship.
Make no mistake: the end goal is an unelected dictatorship.
Already in one, lackys of the states
Already in one, lackys of the states
hes literally the minster for being drunk on sly news
Already in one, with 54,7 percent of the UK legislature being Unelected,
783 member Unelected medieval house of lords.
650 member Elected house of commons.
Next, a law passed, that Rishi Sunak is six foot eight.
If it gets rid of illegal immigrants he can be 7ft tall.
He's a Hobbit.
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@@AntonyClayton-eq1ul that's an insult to hobbits😂
@@Cube146 Quite right. Take that back. He is a Goblin. A Hob Goblin. 👺😈
Ken Clarke represents a time when more people in politics were thinkers, regardless of which party they represented. The low calibre of (mostly Tories) in more recent times is truly tragic.
The Tories are definitely not the same calibre of the past, time will tell for the rest of them, I wouldn’t be surprised to find the next lot are as bad I’m afraid, there’s a lot of hard left Corbynites waiting in the wings to cripple a potential Labour government…
Yeah have you seen the Labour conference? The screeching was blinding!
@@johnnotrealname8168 Labour haven't been in government over the last 14 years. They can only be properly judged when they are in power. I'm not a labour voter by the way- I'm from Glasgow and don't need to vote for them...but the Tories must be ousted down south asap.
..... was apart of John Majors cabinet
Despite our totally opposite politics. I have always found him to be a man of integrity.
Having held all of the major government positions except PM, he is a vastly experienced man and always worth listening to.
He said all this without a jot of notes. Skilled orator. Just threw the Rwanda bill in the bin.
My thought exactly... refreshing to see and to hear
The bin is where Rishi's proposed Rwanda Bill belongs. Along with Fishy and the rest of the Tordry clowns.
Clarke makes the Tories in office today look totally mediocre in comparison.
It helps to speak so fluidly if you truly believe in what you are saying. He means what he is saying, he doesn't need to check a script.
To think that Joe Biden is about same age and struggles to complete a sentence without checking his notes.
The Tory party became dominated by Euro skeptics and blocked one of their most capable members from becoming leader. Clarke was popular with the public without being populist, still is, and still way more capable.
Hopefully everyone will vote for the candidate most likely to beat the Tory candidate next GE. Clarke and those like him would be vindicated. Maybe that is unfair to the candidate, but we must send a big message.
If we're going to use the law to exclude facts about reality, why not just pass a law stating that the official number of "illegal" immigrants is zero? Seems an equally valid a way to tackle the issue
If they take up that idea, tell the GOP here in the States to copy the Tories homework lol
Jfc the brain worms conservatives have grown the last decade...
And sit on the beach like King Canute. Actually, he had more sense and his point was that not even a king can contradict reality.
I believe the Tories did that with the way in which poverty in the country was measured.
Good one! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is essentially how Rishi's government has cleared the legacy backlog of asylum claimants, or whatever nonsense imaginary term they came up with. Anyone on that list was reclassified onto a new list so the the number of cases didn't have to go down for the government to claim success.
Sir Ken the Magnificent & all from his wheelchair. What a disaster for us all that the Tories no longer have the likes of him, Heseltine & others to help run the country. 😢
It is a walking aid not a wheelchair. Regardless he is still of sound mind to keep that in your thoughts. Hope I am still like him when I age.
Typical Ken Clarke - utterly amazing and eloquent to pinpoint accuracy. A privilege to listen to him! Bang on correct, especially ‘the elected dictatorship’. That is Sunak!
If you wanna stop the boat crossing, provide safe routes, and have a functioning asylum system, so it can process claims quickly.
The boats are a red herring, a small percentage of immigration cherry-picked by spin doctors to pander to xenophobes and racists.
This has been obvious to my 15 year old for over a year!
Absolutely. But these Tories have deliberately scuttled that so they can keep it as a wedge issue.
"Claims" i most countries you apply not claim
Oddly to my elderly mother see can't see any other solution to the problem... She watches GBeebies & Talk Twaddle TV hence has lost sight of abject reality.
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This is not about Rwanda: it is about a discredited government passing a bill to the effect that it is always right. There are some very nasty words for that.
Government has been edging closer and closer to turning us into a fascist state with every single law they've passed over recent years. I've been saying it for a long time and got called a "woke radical naysayer" for it.
This is what happens when you have political parties (and I'm including them all here) who treat their role and jobs as a sports game. They focus on bills and laws that are intentionally designed to spark emotion in certain (aka the ones who will vote for them) demographics rather than ones based on investigation, debate and facts.
Oh, people are getting annoyed by protests - let's look to curb/ban them! That'll get us votes!! Oh, immigration is starting to become a talking point in the country, let's pull a quick "solution" out of our gilded arses and force it through by any means necessary, that'll get us even more votes! Oh, people uneducated on the topic believe that trans people are going out and trying to indoctrinate and groom their kids, let's stir up a culture war and tell lies - that'll get us ALL the votes!!
All the whilst half or more of their "debate" time in parliament is spent seeing who can throw the most playground insults at each other. The whole thing is a joke.
Just think if all the money they've pissed up the wall on this Rwanda nonsense (think paying Rwanda, the barges, the hotels, etc, etc) had been spent on providing safe routes and opening more immigration/asylum processing centres - this whole thing would be well on it's way to being sorted.
Only just now are people finally cottoning on. Look where we are now - government and the rules around being an MP need to be radically overhauled to veer us away from the sorry state we're currently in.
The tories now employing the despicable trick of ignoring the amendments in the Lords and passing the orignal version of legislation again and again before it goes back and forward between the Commons and the Lords.
Well the only thing the Lords can do is to sit on whatever legislation comes up been passed if the Commons just ignores amendments from the Lords.
Only 43.6% voted for the tories 2019 general election anyway, the country did exactly not vote overwhelmingly in favour of extreme tory legislation getting passed firat time in the commons and unchallanged in the Lords
Its about a party desperate to cling to power that it thinks sending immigrants to an unsafe country will distract voters from the recession it has caused.
Best speech I have,listen to for a while and totally correct
If only there was a number of his fellow Lords awake to hear it.
Thank you Lord Kenneth Clark for your insight and wisdom. 👍
Mr Clarke sounds like a politician and acts like one! Well done sir
I miss these politicians . We now have a bunch of money grabbing thugs .
An elected dictatorship ? In Sunaks case he's an unelected dictator already. Rwanda is a failed project already. Too much money has been spent on something that will go nowhere
That money could be used in our own country...the state we are now in is disgusting. Get our own folks fixed, use the money to bolster our declining Military, Fix NHS, Homeless (which would be reduced once the illegals are deported) , Vets and elderly. Get rid of all foreign aid for good is a first step today....UN-they are all crooks, double payments to Palestine - now we know that we have contributed (along with many other countries to the terrorists). EU not looking that great either. It is a disgrace.
Rwanda, hs2, covid test and trace, ppe fasttrack lanes. They are good at losing others money
Increasing Interest rates for 14 times in a year nearly crashed the properties market.
That's the problem of your British system in general and your overglorification of democracy. You annihilated the power of the monarchy to check Parliament and kneecapped the power of the House of Lords (because muh democracy) to check the power of the House of Commons and you don't have a Supreme Court with the power and standing as the American one. The result of your constant quest to make the HoC the supreme power in the land (because democracy!) is that the Prime Minister is basically a dictator with no checks on him if he has enough votes.
Democracy always eventually leads to dictatorship if not checked.
what a lovely scams tory cook up to take our rights away.
A reminder of a time when some MPs and ministers were smart, thoughtful, articulate, and eloquent.
I like the two old Codgers behind Clarke agreeing in cohesion, he speaks sense, we are ALL at risk from this present Government who could pass anything they wish! We are in a total mess!
Absolutely spot on. Why is this government so insanely out of touch with reality?
They aren't.
But they realise that an angry and very vocal proportion of the electorate are insanely out of touch with reality. Many of whom are in marginal seats.
They know this is bonkers, illegal and likely to fail. As Mr. Clarke eluded to, it is purely an exercise in perception management. It is not a serious government policy.
This government is lobbied by the richest people on the planet the banking families who are Zionist and will do as they say for money big money and that’s all they care about not humans money that we don’t see it’s numbers in a computer, however they want those number for self gain not for the betterment of Britain, the new world order that’s on the way already will be a fascist Zionist neo Nazi run World especially Europe US Argentina Brazil all the neo colonisers ganging up to rule the world 9:25 as a fascist world,eventually dictatorship and then totalitarianism, it’s Orwellian only much worse than.
Money talks.
It is fully in touch with reality that is why they are so good in manipulation. The fact that many even talk about immigration as if it some sort of huge problem is proof for just that. The problems for the people, the working class they allude to too often are the tranfer of their money to private corporations at the cost of their wages and public support among other things. But they first create these problems and then point at other, needy people as the cause of it all. So no, they know exactly what they do and they know how to get away with it.
Reality is an inconvenience to the Tories
Ken Clarke was my MP. As a usual non-conservative voter, I voted for him in 2019 as he A: helped me personally and B: he was and always has been an ardent remainer. Now I listen to his common sense. There are some good Tories. Unfortunately, Ken and others, were turfed out over one thing and one thing only .. BREXIT. And look where that has got us. 🥴🇬🇧
Also my MP and I cheered when he retired. Never liked that he is an ardent remainer. Not that his replacement is any better. None of the Toxic Tories know how to be a genuine conservative any more.
@@NiceLoki why is Ms Edwards no better? She signed up to Boris’s deal
@@darrylsimpson4744 as well as signing on to the horrific "online harms" bill as well as this dreadful Rwanda Bill and every other appalling bill that this Toxic Tory government has put through Parliament. She is not a genuine Conservative at all, at best she is a right of centre socialist who is supporting everything that is wrong with this government.
They have lied to us and I am angry.
@@NiceLoki cat got your tongue Nice? 😂🇬🇧
@@darrylsimpson4744 huh, my comment got deleted, that's annoying as I wrote out quite a long reply too.
This just gets better and better every time I watch it 🤣🤣🤣 Well done Ken Clarke.
Well said Lord Clarke. Thank God we still have some Elders in this country, with more wisdom and knowledge, as opposed to the younger and ill-educated, or common-sensed Individuals who once were mandatory to hold such positions of power in England.
I wish all politician had the ability to study, think, consider, reason and speak like Ken Clarke. A quality individual the likes of which is sadly missing in today's politicians.
Sadly qualities missing in the general population and thus media, both print and social. Or is there hope?
Sadly, he just stopped considering and reasoning a tiny bit too soon and remained a Tory.
It is frightening what is happening in this country. I do not recognise it anymore.
It’s gone
Me neither, too much immigration.
We have to take our country back - Parliament all has to go. UN disbanded and after that the UN....they are all corrupt. Keep our foreign aid for our own folk and elevate our suffering...bring back our morals, get the Military back to numbers whereby we can defend ourselves, fix NHS, deport the illegals which will help with homelessness and put more money in the pot, look after our elderly who have paid over the years for their retirement many times over. Bring back our pride!@@shabbos-goy9407
I agree 👍
@@user-gm6gc6ph7p.. you might find it frightening if you were the one being deported to Rwanda.
I'll always remember a story my primary school head teacher gave to the assembly one morning about how people entrap themselves with their lies. To demonstrate, he used kitchen roll, and would wrap it around another teachers' hands each time the person in the story lied.
If the person in the story had decided to stop at one lie, or two or three, and come clean it was effortless to break through the paper and prevent themselves from being further entrapped. If, however, they kept lying and lying they became so restricted that it became impossible to break free. Now apply that simple instructional tale to the style of government we've experienced for over a decade and the Tories' inability to extricate themselves from their statements that are increasingly incompatible with reality makes a little more sense.
Good to hear a man of some integrity telling the truth about the chaos this government have created with an unelected PM. Well said Ken Clarke
Never had a great deal of time for this man, but then Boris and Rishi came along and you find yourself wishing he could come back...
You'd take Judas Iskariot over Boris.
@@kimlog7476I’d take a dropped flan over Boris Johnson
Bring back John Major. I never supported his government back in the day but I’d see him in instead of this shower of absolute garbage.
@@kimlog7476 Tommy Cooper was a far better comedian than Johnson, stuck to his trade and never had to be told to leave the stage.
An old voice of facts and common sense! As opposed to lies, misinformation and self serving grifting, which seems to be the norm for the conservatives these days🤷♂️
Erm no he like you is a far left woke extremist....hamas supporting prat the house of lords is all far left woke..
A voice of fact and common sense, really!
Ever wondered why boat crossings did not exist before 2010, why the term "illegal migrants" did not exist before 2010?
A. The Tories.
Tories created this problem by blocking all previous legal migration and asylum routes, routes that have existed for decades, were proven safe, orderly and legal methods to migrate or seek asylum in another country.
This is typical Tory tactics, create a problem then claim to be the only party with a solution.
Old school honesty and facts not from Professor Google.
Unfortunately the HOC has lost these qualities.
Reece Mogg was the last of them.
@@alanturner9749Are you talking about the Rees-Mogg who said food clothes and shoes would be cheaper after Brexit. And that Brexit wouldn't be a problem between The Republic and Northern Ireland. On top of what is already a disaster, watch what happens after import checks start 1st Feb. Oh, and 8yrs later the DUP have only just agreed to sit in Stormont. Mogg is just a posh speaking grifter.
@@alanturner9749 No Mogg set the rot with his filthy lies! misinformation and self serving entitlement. He is a disgrace and a traitor to the uk.
A brilliant speech from a great Parliamentarian.
Super to hear some simple candid points.
Grateful, indeed.
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Best PM we never had and I speak as a socialist. No notes but clear, concise and erudite with a touch of humour. This is what a politician should be.
Precisely…..Clarke is a socialist at heart.
Bet you weren't saying that back in the 90s, when he was in Major's government.
@@JupiterThunderTo be fair, he was less able to speak freely then. He had to respect collective cabinet responsibility, so had to tow the party line more closely. As it stands though, he's an asset to the Lords.
He is a man of a time , when Tories had morales and decency .
He is right about an elected dictatorship, giving police more powers, they will be in their element.
This won’t give power to the police. It’s Sunak who will grab that.
@@joancooley1387Police have enough already.
I remember the Daily Telegraph when it was a decent paper. Since it helped bring in the Tories after its attack on (duck house) Parliamentary expenses it is just the 'Blue Touchpaper'.
@@janetmalcolm6191 But Not in line with what defines ‘policing’. In the same vein as our country has No leader.
Tories had morals. It was Bolivia that had Morales (Evo Morales)
Always liked Ken, he was a friend of my dad’s, used to come to our house for Xmas parties.
What a breath of fresh air. Thank you sir.
Why does a politician stating what most of us know to be "the truth", seem so refreshing??
That I’m afraid is the terrifying mess we are. Truth is radical ( real truth not paranoid conspiracy “truth”)
He lied several times, though. He slanders people that take the government's only available route to asylum in the UK as "illegals", and pretends that the Rwanda policy would not be a violation of human rights if a safer country could be found. He may have drawn a legalistic line here, but he's fully on board with the government's immoral and illegal campaign itself.
The amount of money spent on this bizarre and cruel situation is horrific. Just think what this money and TIME could have been better served on? This is a dictatorship, and it's not even elected
It's OK it's not their money wasted
Ken Clarke was not elected to the House of Lords, the entire House of Lords is an undemocratic joke
@@user-fg3lt6mo7jwhat about their payments for attending (and then going to sleep) and their SUBSIDISED food and booze, travelling expenses etc., this is a retirement heaven for these old fogeys.
And all in aid of the effective deportation from this country of the magnificent annual figure of some 0.026846% of immigrants into this country as a "deterrent".
Kenneth Clarke is a man of great sense and a fantastic orator and parliamentarian. Always nice to hear some common sense from him.
What a wise man Ken Clarke continues to be. What a shame that he seems to be a lonely voice in today’s Britain.
Music to my ears listening to Ken Clarke instead of the shower we have at the moment. Boris Johnson has a lot to answer for.
clarke..a human tory!!!!!
Love the speech and seeing that Dame Butler Sloss nodding in agreement in the background. Well done the voice of common sense and reason.
Brilliant, well said! Ken! Thank you, for speaking the truth!
passing a law to overturn the supreme court decision on Rwanda is akin to legalising murder to deal with the over-crowding of our prisons.
You know, you might be onto something!
How much do you reckon we could save by doing that?
Can we employ some of them to work in NHS triage rooms?
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Give it time, give it time. There are historical precedents with the fascists and fascists now governing the UK
Perhaps more akin to passing a law saying that a prison cell isn't a confined space, so there cannot be overcrowding in prison cells.
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Always feels odd hearing sense from a Tory, especially these days.
Well that's because conservatism as an ideology has moved more to the right. Being conservative in a trump world was significantly different to the time of thatcher/major/cameron it explains why there's so much infighting. Now I'm not a conservative voter but people like Clarke or rory stewart could potentially recieve my vote as they genuinely think of people rather then party. Whilst they will always have party loyalty they do t blindly follow it.
We need to rid ourselves of this very dangerous party.
To support the Rwanda policy, you have to believe two contradictory ideas simultaneously. First, that Rwanda is a safe country, because the policy wouldn't be legal otherwise. Second, that Rwanda is NOT a safe country, because otherwise there would be no deterrent effect.
How can you accept refugees from Rwanda at the same time as saying it’s safe? This shouldn’t need debating
House of Commons needs the decision from the House of Lords.
@@EgD661As long as you lot support the House of Lords.
Clarke is one of the only Tories I respect. Well spoken and thoughtful and caring, and was a fantastic local MP in his day. Boris giving him the boot was terrible.
He's from a different time when the Tories had some more credibility.
Well done Mr Clarke. What a shame that the majority of M.P.s in parliament do not appear to have your level of intelligence and integrity.
Now there’s a politician that puts the current rabble of all parties to shame!!
Never thought I'd find myself nodding in agreement with Ken Clarke
I.dont agreecwithbken Clarke
Saying Rwanda is a safe country because its now legal, is like someone saying the moon is made of cheese because i said so
France is a safe country so why risk crossing the Channel. Freeloaders who aren't wanted or welcome.
Defining Rwanda as safe I believe.
It is Rwanda problem , why do you care about it
@visnjalivancic3953 well we've taken it open ourselves to try and make a law about another country. So it's our problem
We need change !!!this system is broken,bent and corrupted,
The Tories lost their last shred of decency when they expelled him. Glad he's still with us when he chooses to speak like this.
it can't be an elected dictatorship when the man running the country has never been elected to that post.... What needs to be changed are the rules in Parliament that if the leader of the party who is the PM gets removed or dies etc...an immediate election is mandatory...
Nice One Ken. Plain and simple talking
It's such a shame that Boris purged Ken Clarke and the sane voices from the party for Brexit dissent.
Hopefully this will be a speech that changes history.
Why do we see no decent human beings in the Conservative party these days? There will always be much I disagree with Ken Clarke over, but I have respect for him. Something which is missing in current politics.
Ken Clarke - spot on. What on earth is wrong with the governance of our country? Shame on our government I'm afraid. Granny.
All ushered in by Brexit.
The Bill is insane.
Never once did he mention that it was his party which created the problem in the first place.
Next Act of Parliament will establish that 2+2=5
This guy is no politician,he has morals and talks sense.
Morals?…. What about the itv scandal and cover up… just another member of the swamp I’m afraid.
@@robcr8 ... Very true, how quickly people forget, and how easily people are hoodwinked.
An excellent analysis of the limits of our Common Law Constitution so often forgotten and a reminder of Lord Hailsham’s warnings of elected dictatorships. A great speech.
Ken Clarke - the greatest what if in British political history. A great man.
Bravo, well said.
Some good British MPs with values, rare these days.
That's why he's no longer an MP!
Clarke isn't an MP, he's in the house of lords and thereby is part of our problem.
Even labour have gone down the toilet. Especially with the Starmer dictatorship.
@@AdrianNelson1507I'm going to play Mr. Petty here and say: he's still technically an MP
It is amazing that Ken Clarke is a peer now, his expulsion by BJ was absurd
Common sense and straight talking.What a refreshing change!
Well said Ken Clarke.
This Government needs to go.
Ooh, yes please! The sooner, the better! "Homelessness is simply a lifestyle choice...." -I'll never forget that one! This whole Rwanda thing is now an exorbitant farce.
It would be fine if the Tory Party were united - but they're not - they're just a loose confederation of warring tribes! And people don't vote for dis-unity.
I’m on the Labour side, but I have so much respect for Ken Clarke. He’s what the Conservative party should be.
You like him because he is a socialist and created many problems we are now having to deal with.
I agree apart from you supporting Labour !
@@michaelellis7326 I actually think that Ken Clarke like conservatives are much closer to Starmer’s Labour than Sunak’s Conservatives. Hopefully enough of them come over to vote Labour to get rid of this horrible and incompetent right wing government.
Makes you realise just how far the govt's level of intellect has fallen!!!!
Couldn’t have said it better myself. We are teetering on the edge of 😢
Never our democracy have been in so much peril
It has. look up the civil wars.
We don't live in a democracy. If you think we do then the gaslighting has been successful.
@@HTOP1982
We didn't really have democracy at the time of the Civil War: only a select few had the vote.
@@jerry2357 The same argument can be made nowadays.
There is a minimum age to be able to vote.
If you are incarcerated you can not vote either.
Those are just 2 examples.
@@HTOP1982 Not overloaded with grey matter or common sense are you?
Good man. Focusing on the real issue of fact.
One of the Tory old guard: fearsomely intelligent, articulate and considered in his speech. I wouldn't vote Tory if you paid me a million quid but you have to respect people like Ken Clarke.
A voice of reason from this old rascal, I never thought I would find myself admiring Mr Clark but respect to him for his wise words this time for sure.
Clarke is an example of a proper "Tory" - measured, intelligent, cerebral. He makes a lot of sense and has all but eviscerated this Rwanda plan. The Nu-Tories got rid of him because they could see that he wouldn't go along with any bollocks.
The nu Tory’s are communist
It's a shame he isn't 30 years younger. His brand of common sense is sadly missed in the House of Commons these days.
The very clear benefit of the Lords not needing to worry about election of reelection or maintaining control of a parliamentary party. As in it allows one to express one’s views without worrying about what your MPs or the electorate think.
I agree totally and it's why I wouldn't want to see elected Lords, although I do want to see the Lords reformed. The Lords should be slimmed down and have no party appointments and be made up of independant people who have excelled in various disciplines. They should serve a long term to ensure continuity and avoid short termism and cheap populism.
I don't think Clarke ever cared much about what even his own party members thought of him. He was the main Tory voice in speaking out about the dangers of an uncontrolled Brexit and got turfed out of the parliamentary party for it. I don't always agree with him but he's a man of principle and that's a rare thing for a Tory these days.
No wonder The Commons wants to be rid of the Lords as it stands. They're making sense, and have been blocking the worst excesses of the Tories since they got to power in 2010
Well said Ken Clarke!
When you make Thatcherite and former Tory Home Secretary & Chancellor Kenneth Clarke sound reasonable, you must realise that you're the baddies. Right?
Nope. Just you listened to different voices in the eighties. If you were there.
Thatcher will be turning in her grave the way the current tory bunch are running the country
Wasn't he one of Thatcher's "wets"?
Decency and principles aren’t exclusive to left.
You may disagree with (as I do) the bulk of his personal politics? Just because he's a Tory, he's raising a very important points regarding the current bunch of 🤬 in No.10 & their idiotic obsession with the cluster 🤬 that is their "Rwanda" policy.
This perfectly illustrates just how far to the right the current tory party has lurched and why concerns regards becoming an elected dictatorship are valid.
He is one of the better ones it must be said. He's had to watch his party being taken over by pirates.
One may not agree on the same politics from time to time and not always on the same things all the time but Kenneth is a very reasonable, humble and good fine upstanding gentleman both throughout the whole of politics throughout all across the parties. It is with a heavy heart given the huge tragic sadness over this disastrous state of affairs that will forever sadly haunt both UK and French maritime and coast guard authorities. Kenneth has made a wise decision but it is one that comes with bitter sadness for everyone given the immense horrors that none of us will ever forget sadly. It takes immense courage for the benefit for the concerns of democracy therein, laying out the facts! Here here well said Kenneth 👏
What a breath of fresh air that was. How come there are none in The Commons, displaying Mr. Clarkes grasp of these essentials ?
Simply because Johnson got rid of them all,in order to push his oven ready deal through!
"Elected"? Since when, you've had two unelected PM's in a row...
We elected the Conservative Party to rule (unfortunately) and the leader of that party becomes the PM. We don't vote for the Prime Minister, we vote for the party.
Yes welcome to the last decade of Tory governance Ken glad you're catching up.
Well said Sir. Just more evidence of the decline of the current Conservative party.
Ken Clarke or Rishi Sunak? Please... Sunak is not capable of polishing this man's boots!!!!!!!
My labour "leftie" sister worked for ken Clarke when he was in education . She described him as the only decent Conservative she knew.
No amendment needed, the Bill should be binned!
We are already there. That's how parliament works. Get rid of the whips.
Whips arent the issue, it's that we don't have sufficient checks, balances and laws to stop the greedy corrupt liars that now have power. Plus fptp and tory gerrymandering
If you get rid of the whips, they'll just buy their own and charge them to their expenses.
Get rid of lobbying
Small boats nearly crashed the big boat ( Tory party)...😂