When Nietzsche had volunteered for war, stern Cosima had briskly told him that “a gift of a hundred cigars would be more use to the army than the presence of a dilettante,” a remark that made him adore her all the more.
This is an admirable episode, about a topic close to my heart as a social alchemist. Great creative synthesis of Nietzsches' ideas made relevant for modern people. Thanks!
Damn, why am I only finding this podcast now? This episode is amazing, it made my evening, thank you for sharing! Also I appreciate your effort to pronounce 'Zdzisław Beksiński'
Modern art started as a reaction to the technology of photography. The medium was painting and the advent of impressionism which was also reacting against the academy which served the rich, monarchs, and of course the church. Art functioned as an organ of propaganda for the powerful, by glorifying and validating their achievements, primarily those of conquest. But there was one artist in particular that gave rise to all of what we now consider the avant-garde. That artist was Marcel Duchamp and the movement he founded which was known as DADA. His submittal of the piece titled fountain to a supposedly avant-garde anything goes art exhibition in 1917 still reverberates today. Fountain was in fact a mass produced off the shelf product of industrial technology a urinal which he signed “R Mutt”. It was effectively rejected by his supposedly avant-garde peers and hidden in the exhibit and later destroyed. DADA was a reaction to technology just like impressionism, but it had fundamentally moral underpinnings. DADA was a scathing critique of the application of industrial technology (so called progress) to industrialized mass slaughter during World War One. It’s absurdism and pessimism mocked rather than serving to affirm the power structures that traditionally were the artist’s patrons. Art has never been the same, and Duchamp’s subsequent works still generate controversy and novel meanings. His art was ultimately immaterial. It’s meaning was conceptual and was meant to constantly evolve and change within the minds of its viewers rather than be worshiped as fetish objects with some fixed didactic, material or spiritual meaning. It might be interesting to study the impact that the ideas of both Schopenhauer and Nietzsche had on Duchamp, and do a podcast about the his work on the relationship between art and power in contemporary Western culture. If Nietzsche was Metal, Duchamp was Punk.
The Nietzsche Podcast: Chemistry of Feelings - The Artist 00:01 📜 Nietzsche discussed the concept of the saintly type, which initially qualified as a higher man but later became problematic due to its anti-natural stance, rejecting the natural world in favor of nothingness. 02:20 🤔 The holy man, particularly the priest, functions as an artisan of the soul, working with the inner feelings of people to deaden their suffering and redirect their resentment. 05:08 🎨 The priest, despite its problematic aspects, introduced the innovation of working with human feelings of guilt and resentment, which paved the way for the emergence of the artist. 08:44 🎶 Historically, art and religion were deeply intertwined, and artists often played roles similar to religious figures, creating religious artworks and expressing divine inspiration. 13:58 🎨 Over time, art started to gain independence from religious confines, giving rise to the concept of the secular artist, distinct from religious institutions and moral boundaries. 15:21 💥 Nietzsche argues that artists, as artisans of the passions, possess the power to stir emotions and affect the human psyche profoundly, making them more powerful and dangerous than commonly believed. 18:39 📜 Art immortalizes great deeds and moments, providing meaning and significance to human experiences, thereby elevating them beyond mere sound and fury. 21:29 💡 Nietzsche recognizes the artist's role in transforming the chaotic world into comprehensible representations, contributing to mankind's understanding of reality. 22:39 🧪 Nietzsche views the artist's work as a "chemistry of moral religious ascetic ideas and feelings," emphasizing the importance of understanding the interplay between concepts and emotions in art. 23:22 🎨 Nietzsche envisions a new type of philosopher, the "artistic Socrates," who unifies intellectual concepts and emotional feelings, bridging the gap between head and heart. 28:15 💡 Nietzsche sees art as a bridge between religion and philosophy, suggesting that art can ease the transition from religious feelings to philosophical contemplation. 31:20 🔄 Nietzsche challenges the idea that moral or religious feelings are unchangeable, proposing that art can alter and redefine these emotional states over time. 35:46 🌌 Nietzsche's concept of a "chemistry of concepts and feelings" is akin to transforming art from an imprecise, proto-religious practice (like alchemy) into a systematic and precise discipline. 41:05 🚀 As traditional religion declines, art becomes a vessel for the expression of deep, religious-like emotions, offering a way to manage and channel these feelings in a secular context. 44:03 🎶 Nietzsche acknowledges that even free spirits, those who have rejected metaphysical beliefs, can still experience profound metaphysical reverberations through the emotional power of art. 45:01 🎨 Nietzsche views art as a form of dishonesty, as it involves the creation of representations through half-truths and deception. 46:14 🤔 Nietzsche believes in the importance of truth, even though he acknowledges the benefits of lies for mankind. Mental and emotional fortitude are tested by one's ability to tolerate unvarnished truth. 51:07 ⏳ Nietzsche warns against art's backward-facing nature, which can lead to sentimental longing for an illusory past, hindering progress and transformation. 54:56 🌋 Nietzsche compares great art to volcanic eruptions, appearing sudden but rooted in gradual accumulation of underlying forces and influences. 56:06 🪄 Nietzsche challenges the concept of artistic genius, suggesting that it's not spontaneous but rather a result of gradual shaping and accumulation of creative energy. 01:06:10 🎨 The artist is perceived as someone with a mysterious gift, and artistic inspiration is often considered inexplicable and unteachable. 01:06:52 🧩 Art's primary tool for creating illusions is incompleteness, which emphasizes certain feelings and hides others, setting it apart from scientific representation. 01:08:04 🌟 Nietzsche views art as a powerful force that can ennoble life, even turning illnesses and powerful drives into objects of reverence. 01:12:48 🤔 Nietzsche grapples with the tension between art and philosophy throughout his career, recognizing the artist's ability to stir emotions but also acknowledging their deceptive nature. 01:16:54 💔 Nietzsche sees artists as flawed and deceivers, yet acknowledges that they show a path toward the elevation of mankind through their artistic forces.
Listening to podcasts Podcasts of Nietzsche Forget all you heard from Decscartes Read the Gay Science One must have chaos To give birth to a dancing star Nobody said it was easy. Healing our existence with art! Nobody said it was easy. Tearing our values apart! Time's looping back to the start!
Very thought-provoking for anyone who practises an art. I wonder if Nietzsche doesn't posit something of a false dichotomy, though, between the Dionysian and the Apollonian. If great Dionysian art clearly exists - Louis Armstrong or the Hot Clube de France - surely the Apollonian does too: Bach or Mozart. And can't great art be a synthesis of the two? That's what Goethe's aim was, and I think Beethoven's too. Or Dostoyevsky, for that matter. But he's right that the artist is today's priest - or was. The real artists are being ignored now, eclipsed by the vulgar entertainers.
When Nietzsche had volunteered for war, stern Cosima had briskly told him that “a gift of a hundred cigars would be more use to the army than the presence of a dilettante,” a remark that made him adore her all the more.
These are all fantastic. Extremely well presented. Appreciate the work you put into these. You deserve way more views
Thank you! I share your conviction that the channel deserves more views, coincidentally enough. We’re growing every day, slowly but steadily.
This is an admirable episode, about a topic close to my heart as a social alchemist. Great creative synthesis of Nietzsches' ideas made relevant for modern people. Thanks!
The artists as a variation/evolution of the priest is a beautiful observation
Damn, why am I only finding this podcast now? This episode is amazing, it made my evening, thank you for sharing! Also I appreciate your effort to pronounce 'Zdzisław Beksiński'
Modern art started as a reaction to the technology of photography. The medium was painting and the advent of impressionism which was also reacting against the academy which served the rich, monarchs, and of course the church. Art functioned as an organ of propaganda for the powerful, by glorifying and validating their achievements, primarily those of conquest. But there was one artist in particular that gave rise to all of what we now consider the avant-garde. That artist was Marcel Duchamp and the movement he founded which was known as DADA. His submittal of the piece titled fountain to a supposedly avant-garde anything goes art exhibition in 1917 still reverberates today. Fountain was in fact a mass produced off the shelf product of industrial technology a urinal which he signed “R Mutt”. It was effectively rejected by his supposedly avant-garde peers and hidden in the exhibit and later destroyed. DADA was a reaction to technology just like impressionism, but it had fundamentally moral underpinnings. DADA was a scathing critique of the application of industrial technology (so called progress) to industrialized mass slaughter during World War One. It’s absurdism and pessimism mocked rather than serving to affirm the power structures that traditionally were the artist’s patrons. Art has never been the same, and Duchamp’s subsequent works still generate controversy and novel meanings. His art was ultimately immaterial. It’s meaning was conceptual and was meant to constantly evolve and change within the minds of its viewers rather than be worshiped as fetish objects with some fixed didactic, material or spiritual meaning.
It might be interesting to study the impact that the ideas of both Schopenhauer and Nietzsche had on Duchamp, and do a podcast about the his work on the relationship between art and power in contemporary Western culture.
If Nietzsche was Metal, Duchamp was Punk.
Julius Evola was tangentially involved with Duchamp and Dada in its infancy.
The Nietzsche Podcast: Chemistry of Feelings - The Artist
00:01 📜 Nietzsche discussed the concept of the saintly type, which initially qualified as a higher man but later became problematic due to its anti-natural stance, rejecting the natural world in favor of nothingness.
02:20 🤔 The holy man, particularly the priest, functions as an artisan of the soul, working with the inner feelings of people to deaden their suffering and redirect their resentment.
05:08 🎨 The priest, despite its problematic aspects, introduced the innovation of working with human feelings of guilt and resentment, which paved the way for the emergence of the artist.
08:44 🎶 Historically, art and religion were deeply intertwined, and artists often played roles similar to religious figures, creating religious artworks and expressing divine inspiration.
13:58 🎨 Over time, art started to gain independence from religious confines, giving rise to the concept of the secular artist, distinct from religious institutions and moral boundaries.
15:21 💥 Nietzsche argues that artists, as artisans of the passions, possess the power to stir emotions and affect the human psyche profoundly, making them more powerful and dangerous than commonly believed.
18:39 📜 Art immortalizes great deeds and moments, providing meaning and significance to human experiences, thereby elevating them beyond mere sound and fury.
21:29 💡 Nietzsche recognizes the artist's role in transforming the chaotic world into comprehensible representations, contributing to mankind's understanding of reality.
22:39 🧪 Nietzsche views the artist's work as a "chemistry of moral religious ascetic ideas and feelings," emphasizing the importance of understanding the interplay between concepts and emotions in art.
23:22 🎨 Nietzsche envisions a new type of philosopher, the "artistic Socrates," who unifies intellectual concepts and emotional feelings, bridging the gap between head and heart.
28:15 💡 Nietzsche sees art as a bridge between religion and philosophy, suggesting that art can ease the transition from religious feelings to philosophical contemplation.
31:20 🔄 Nietzsche challenges the idea that moral or religious feelings are unchangeable, proposing that art can alter and redefine these emotional states over time.
35:46 🌌 Nietzsche's concept of a "chemistry of concepts and feelings" is akin to transforming art from an imprecise, proto-religious practice (like alchemy) into a systematic and precise discipline.
41:05 🚀 As traditional religion declines, art becomes a vessel for the expression of deep, religious-like emotions, offering a way to manage and channel these feelings in a secular context.
44:03 🎶 Nietzsche acknowledges that even free spirits, those who have rejected metaphysical beliefs, can still experience profound metaphysical reverberations through the emotional power of art.
45:01 🎨 Nietzsche views art as a form of dishonesty, as it involves the creation of representations through half-truths and deception.
46:14 🤔 Nietzsche believes in the importance of truth, even though he acknowledges the benefits of lies for mankind. Mental and emotional fortitude are tested by one's ability to tolerate unvarnished truth.
51:07 ⏳ Nietzsche warns against art's backward-facing nature, which can lead to sentimental longing for an illusory past, hindering progress and transformation.
54:56 🌋 Nietzsche compares great art to volcanic eruptions, appearing sudden but rooted in gradual accumulation of underlying forces and influences.
56:06 🪄 Nietzsche challenges the concept of artistic genius, suggesting that it's not spontaneous but rather a result of gradual shaping and accumulation of creative energy.
01:06:10 🎨 The artist is perceived as someone with a mysterious gift, and artistic inspiration is often considered inexplicable and unteachable.
01:06:52 🧩 Art's primary tool for creating illusions is incompleteness, which emphasizes certain feelings and hides others, setting it apart from scientific representation.
01:08:04 🌟 Nietzsche views art as a powerful force that can ennoble life, even turning illnesses and powerful drives into objects of reverence.
01:12:48 🤔 Nietzsche grapples with the tension between art and philosophy throughout his career, recognizing the artist's ability to stir emotions but also acknowledging their deceptive nature.
01:16:54 💔 Nietzsche sees artists as flawed and deceivers, yet acknowledges that they show a path toward the elevation of mankind through their artistic forces.
Excellent . Thank you for this upload .
Very good job
Jazz outro 🎉
Listening to podcasts
Podcasts of Nietzsche
Forget all you heard from Decscartes
Read the Gay Science
One must have chaos
To give birth to a dancing star
Nobody said it was easy.
Healing our existence with art!
Nobody said it was easy.
Tearing our values apart!
Time's looping back to the start!
7:48
Very thought-provoking for anyone who practises an art. I wonder if Nietzsche doesn't posit something of a false dichotomy, though, between the Dionysian and the Apollonian. If great Dionysian art clearly exists - Louis Armstrong or the Hot Clube de France - surely the Apollonian does too: Bach or Mozart. And can't great art be a synthesis of the two? That's what Goethe's aim was, and I think Beethoven's too. Or Dostoyevsky, for that matter. But he's right that the artist is today's priest - or was. The real artists are being ignored now, eclipsed by the vulgar entertainers.
25:06
I'm a artist.
Hello.... Are you chemical teacher?
History is filled with degenerate art. To be fair it was usually not as explicit, although that might make it more potent.
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