NIETZSCHE: On the figure of The Holy Man
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- The Nietzsche Podcast, season 2, episode 8.
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I like that Nietzsche says it is sheep who look for others to blame, whenever we ourselves are to blame, for our own suffering. In a way, this is true, but you then quote that this is "false enough" but that it alters the direction of our resentment. It's a pragmatic way of negating the myopia of being too angry or resentful of a single cause of one's suffering. I take this to mean: too much resentment one way prevents us from rounding ourselves out as people.
Excellent content I must say, thank-you sir.
I really don't think that humans are insignificant. The main reason is that we are AWARE of our existence and the Universe. No other animal has this. Animals live in the moment but Humans do not. This is a BIG difference and makes Humans a very important part of the world...basically the part of the World that is AWARE.
I thought Nietzsche point was pretty interesting as in you would be correct and all humans would feel the same but it is of course innately bias for us to think this way so I like how he pointed it out and made some points objectively about it and I think from his view point is correct. If soley out of evolution we've developed this intelligence and awareness is it therefore not special in a different perspective contrary to human and possibly doesn't have as much value as we do like to believe. As humans it does but objectively looking at it I would believe too it does not and possibly in fact could equate all living things equally valuable again though not from the human perspective unfortunately.
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you offer the best coverage of Nietzsche that I have encountered
A question about beauty arrousing interest: is everything that arrouses or evokes interest beautiful?
is beauty synonimous with facination and mesmerisation? I find your discussion of this absolutely facinating, perhaps you worded it beautifully?
perhaps the following is more precise a statement:
firstly, beauty invigorates; and this is why it is interesting
in terms of its capacity to vitalise: beauty may evoke fear, adoration, arrousal, the nerves get stimulated, the heart palpitates, we sweat
the symptoms all introduce a degree of intoxication of which, when experienced together, intoxicate? It is the affects beauty evokes that we find interesting, but the affects themselves can reach such an intensity that they become something terrifying? Awe inducing perhaps
this explains the point you make: why we feel the need to seperate the desirable (the beautiful) from the awe inspiring (that which stimulates the nerves and senses). I suppose we are not made self consious by naked photos of women; proximity changes the way we feel about art. Perhaps the nervious man can only appreciate beautiful women at a distance because he is not strong enough to endure the degree to which his nerves are stimulated; if we cannot appreciate the sensations that accompany an encounter with the beautiful we must devise method to remove these sensations (we make beauty something other than it is; something "abstract and intellectual") or we indulge in substances that reduce our nerves such as alcohol, cannabis or medication.
art and substances are alternatives for those who cannot overcome the excitement of their nerves: if we cannot overcome our nerves we must find a way to reduce their intensity or eliminate them altogether: a fight/flight/freeze response to beauty (a threatenning encounter for some is an encounter with the beautiful)
The frontal cortex decides before cognitions?
Keep up the good work! What picture is that btw? I like it.
Painting*
Budda vs yama
NIETZSCHE: On the figure of The Holy Man
00:00 🤖 Nietzsche seeks to find transcendent value in human life beyond mere utility and pleasure, aiming to elevate it above the naturalistic perspective.
02:51 🛡 Nietzsche believes reason does not command over passions but rather mediates between them and serves as a post-hoc rationalization.
05:23 💼 Nietzsche identifies exceptional individuals, like saints, artists, and philosophers, as those who do not follow animal instincts consciously, setting them apart.
10:50 🧐 Nietzsche's concept of the "overman" is an ideal that goes beyond any of the exceptional types he previously identified, representing a higher transformation of humanity.
15:14 🙏 Nietzsche discusses the ascetic saint as someone who resists worldly desires and suffering, seen as a symbol of being above human nature.
19:28 ⚔ The saint, who practices physical asceticism, can be viewed as powerful and inspiring even compared to great warriors like Alexander the Great.
20:41 🤔 Diogenes, the philosopher, pursued only things of true and lasting value, like sunshine and the air we breathe, setting an example of valuing the simple gifts of nature.
21:53 🧠 Philosophy allows one to understand what to value, enabling them to rise above societal competitions and social ladders.
22:48 🤴 Diogenes, though not a saint, demonstrates the power of asceticism by abstaining from worldly desires and setting himself above even Alexander the Great.
23:59 🙌 Nietzsche suggests that asceticism is a means of gaining power, and it can be exploited by those who seek power, leading to the rise of ascetic priests or saints.
25:52 💡 Nietzsche argues that ascetic ideals, such as those pursued by saints, are often driven by the desire to escape the suffering and boredom of life and attain a form of nothingness or repose.
27:02 💪 Nietzsche sees asceticism as a response to the human will to power, with ascetics attempting to set themselves above life itself and its desires.
28:11 🌀 Schopenhauer's philosophy of escaping the will through disinterested aesthetic contemplation is closely related to the ascetic ideal.
29:34 🎨 Schopenhauer's concept of aesthetic contemplation as a means of escaping the will parallels the ascetic's attempt to rise above life's desires.
36:14 🔄 Schopenhauer's metaphor of the wheel of Ixion, representing the pain of desire, aligns with the ascetic's goal of overcoming desires through ascetic practices.
41:09 💫 Schopenhauer's definition of the beautiful differs from most people's understanding, emphasizing disinterestedness, while Nietzsche leans towards a definition of beauty associated with desire and will.
41:53 🤔 Nietzsche explores asceticism, where physical goods become immaterial and abstract.
43:02 📜 Nietzsche views Schopenhauer as a tortured philosopher seeking release from inner turmoil through aesthetics.
44:14 🧐 Nietzsche criticizes Schopenhauer's misogyny but acknowledges the need for enemies to maintain intellectual focus.
45:52 🤯 Philosophers admire the ascetic ideal for its liberation from constraints, like familial ties and societal obligations.
46:07 🧘♂ Nietzsche cites Gautama Buddha as an example of someone who saw all worldly ties as distractions from the great work.
47:04 🌄 Nietzsche's idealization of solitude aligns with the image of the solitary wanderer and holy man.
49:13 😆 Nietzsche characterizes the holy man as a beast of burden, symbolizing the burdensome nature of asceticism.
50:23 ⚖ Nietzsche argues that the ascetic's power comes from cruelty directed inward, achieving self-mastery through self-torture.
51:20 🌌 The holy man, despite his weaknesses, creates the idea of the world beyond, inspiring faith in transcendent value.
55:07 🤔 Nietzsche explains how the earliest contemplative types gained acceptance by being feared and revered simultaneously.
56:03 🤯 Nietzsche suggests that cruelty toward oneself was the means by which the priestly castes developed divine ideals.
59:06 🔥 Nietzsche argues that cruelty and self-torture are inherent to the power of the contemplative types, who manipulate the dangerous forces within humanity.
01:02:46 😡 Nietzsche views priests as men of resentment who redirect and manipulate the resentful impulses of society for their benefit.
01:03:29 🧙 The power of the priestly castes, including the saintly type, lies in their ability to manipulate and redirect the feelings of revenge and resentment, primarily by exploiting the sense of guilt.
01:04:44 💡 The priest's role is not just about promising revenge in an afterlife; it's about dealing with resentment at its root, within individuals, by offering a solution to their feelings of guilt.
01:05:11 🔄 Resentment arises from the pain of having one's will thwarted, and it manifests as cruelty directed inward. The priest helps redirect this cruelty, providing catharsis and curbing resentment.
01:08:24 🔥 Sin, as defined by the priest, is the elevation of self-hatred to new heights as a means of dealing with negative feelings resulting from weakness. This serves as a psychological coping mechanism.
01:09:46 🌍 Nietzsche suggests that, for humanity, the priestly ideals provided meaning and a sense of purpose, allowing us to transcend the mere animal world.
01:10:55 🌅 Nietzsche concludes that the priestly ideals, despite their dark aspects, gave humanity a sense of destiny. However, these ideals have become nihilistic, and we must recognize their weaknesses and move forward.
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But nothingness IS the absolute, the ne-plus-ultra - hence the logic in willing it.
Being abusive of it, straw-manning it, does not alter the blunt fact that this alone leads beyond the mere animal in man, the mere material in nature.
Nietzsche ends up leaving us in the same compromised state he found us in, caught hopelessly between the two stools of the conqueror and the renunciate, Alexander and Diogenes. But of the two Diogenes seems the more at peace. And that is for the reason I have just described.
No he doesn't.
What does tt say about a philospher when he pushes an old lady down the stairs?
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She shouldn’t have been in 無爲
_he got 99 problems but a b!tch ain't one_
Johnny Depp is great actor, but he's no philosopher, and Kate Moss said he never pushed her down any stairs.
That being a philosopher is not incompatible with being a man of action
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