Did Moses Write The Torah?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2018
- Nearly 700 years ago, it was just common knowledge that Moses wrote the Torah. Everyone studying the Bible knew it. Moses wrote every word of the book and scribes had passed it down perfectly. Even as far back as the first century, Josephus claims in Against Apion that "there is no discrepancy in what is written" when referring to the Jewish Canon. There were, after all, plenty of places in the Torah in which Moses can be seen writing and many more places that refer to the "book of the law of Moses." Eventually, however, problems began to arise and this perfect view of a Torah written by Moses would soon fall apart. So today we will be exploring the claim that Moses wrote the Torah.
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Sources:
James Dunn, John Rogerson - Eerdmans Commentary on the Bible
Richard Elliott Friedman - Who Wrote The Bible?
John D. Hannah - Exodus
Abraham Ibn Ezra - Commentary of Abraham Ibn Ezra on the Pentateuch
Mark McEntire - Struggling with God: An Introduction to the Pentateuch
Lee Martin McDonald - The Biblical Canon
www.mesacc.edu/~thoqh49081/ha...
Note: I do not accept Wellhausen's original hypothesis primarily because of his dating method, but I find the Documentary Hypothesis and source criticism to be the most useful baseline in figuring out the evolution of the Torah.
Moses was the first person with a tablet downloading data from the cloud.
lol
rtel - oh blimey, they'll be claiming that as prophecy now. If only the creator with unlimited ability had created the smartphone in biblical times, we'd all know what really happened or not. But if Moses did write these books. he was very thorough, right through to his own death and burial (Deut. 34:5). The phrase "even today" gives the game away, proving it was written a long time afterwards.
The first tablet crashed.
Lol, his ass was schizophrenic
Awesome best reply ever. LOL
Moses, the only person to ever walk to his own funeral.
Actually that sort of thing is more common in places where there are enlightened monks such as in Japan and Tibet. People know where they are going to go, when they are going to die, etc, and then do it.
@@kingdavid5529 That was sarcasm.
Hmmmm🤔
I have been binging on your videos. They are amazing. You don't bash religions just for being religious, and only point out factual fallacies, and do a great job of explaining the real history behind the traditions and texts. Keep up the fantastic work. You've earned yourself a new subscriber.
My only question is, why was God making all these revelations to men in an era when it's very difficult to preserve the revelation messages in their pristine quality due to primitive technology? God could have picked an era when man has already invented recording devices. If a modern day Moses parted the Red Sea right now, the event would have been streaming live on UA-cam or recorded in 4K video quality. Nobody would dispute in the future that the event never happened.
Well, if you rely on evidence then it means you have no faith lol
Sorry, I had to throw that silly line to ya!
I'm surprised a Xistian hasn't used it against your logic question, which I agree with btw.
@@ricardoignacio916
Most Christians say they have Faith in Jesus Christ, and yet they cite the Gospels which were NOT written by Jesus.
Most believers say they have Faith in God, and yet they cite the Bible which was NOT written by God.
If you will use the Gospels and the Bible as your basis for FAITH, then the correct way to say is that you have Faith in the human AUTHORS who wrote the Gospels and the Bible.
If Moses did exist, his leadership skills sucked. The Exodus? What equates to a 2 week walk took 40 years?
They would have been killed by the giants. so they were i training camp for 40 years. The first game, Israel against Jericho, Joshua hit a ball so hard it knocked the wall down. Jews 1 Giants nothing.
That's because we are being lied to about the true scriptural locations check out truthunveiled777 has a great documentary proving this
That's because we are being lied to about the true scriptural locations check out truthunveiled777 has a great documentary proving this
"Did Moses write the Torah?" - No, Moses is a fictional character.
Exactly Right !! That's like asking, "did Voldemort write the Harry Potter books".
I thought most scholars consider Moses a mythical character...
Moses was real.
tim sturm
"Moses was real."
Real like Father Christmas, The Tooth Fairy or The Easter Bunny?
Source, citation, link please because "scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses
I suppose King Arthur and Robin Hood were real too?
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@@kevinshort3943 it's there a troll under your bridge?
Good video and nice logo
The name Moses comes from an Aramaic word that means something like "taken from the water." The story of his birth, concealment in a basket, placement in a river, and being found by a royal family matches the much earlier story of Sargon of Akkad. The story of him receiving laws from deity matches the much earlier story of the Code of Hammurabi. With the exception of the book of Job, the entire Hebrew library that became the Christian old testament was not written until after the Babylonian captivity. The Hebrew alphabet was changed at that time to match the Aramaic alphabet. The Hebrews received exposure to many mesopotamian writings from Babylon, Sumer, Akkad, and others. The sumerian creation epic even provided the words "eden," "adamu," and "eve," and the concept of forbidden knowledge being given to "eve" (women) by a supernatural reptilian character (Enki). There is no accepted evidence that the Hebrews were ever slaves in Egypt. It's all plagiarized from the stories the Hebrews learned during the Babylonian captivity.
well done!
Moses is a traditional egyptian name. So as many names in the tribe of Levi. I would say, Deuteronomi is the oldest book of the pentateuch and probably written for Jerobeam II about 750bc. The hebrews in egypt has different arguments you need to know. The Hyksos from Canaan conquered the Nile delta in about 1700bc to 1500bc and were driven out by a new pharao. The Hyksos brought slavery to egypt it was not known there before. The egyptian did capture nomads and enslaved them after the hyksos period. In particular some from a tribe called Shasu living in north west of the arabian peninsula not too far from the mount Horeb that is mentioned in the pentateuch. They also were known for their god JHWE.
The Jews where never in captivity in Egypt never
Right on!
@@Dr.Bitterbrains333so you’re saying you were there back then?
Nice video.
The Video about who wrote Torah is amazing. I have really enjoyed watching and now I will start developing a new way of thinking.
Fictional characters don't write... They are written.
When you a fictional character you can do anything! Lol
assertions do not make truths. Evidence? Doubtfully
Jesus spoke Aramaic yet the Bible is written in Greek which cant be translated back..so Jesus never said 70% of what is attributed to him!
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www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moses-mendelssohn
The info below about Moses is just a little of what I found, it gives you a good bit of TRUTH but leaves out a TON OF TRUTH .... I will leave an F.Y.I. it will have the left out info about THE REAL MOSES !
Moses Mendelssohn ...... He was the son of a Torah scribe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He began a traditional Jewish education under David Fraenkel, the rabbi of Dessau. When Fraenkel became rabbi of Berlin, the 14-year-old Mendelssohn followed him and studied in Fraenkel’s yeshiva in Berlin. He soon became a promising scholar of Talmud and Rabbinics. He is a relative of Samson Raphael Hirsch
In addition to learning German and Hebrew in Berlin, Mendelssohn also studied some French, Italian, English, Latin and Greek. He took up other secular subjects, in which he excelled, including mathematics, logic and philosophy. In the mid-1750s, he developed friendships with the philosopher Immanuel Kant and also with Gotthold Lessing, a dramatist, literary critic and advocate of enlightened toleration in Germany.
Mendelssohn began to serve as a teacher in the house of Isaac Bernhard, the owner of a silk factory. That same year, Frederick the Great gave him the status of "Jew under extraordinary protection." In 1763, the Prussian Academy of Sciences awarded him a prize for his treatise on "evidence in the metaphysical sciences." Four years later, he became the bookkeeper of Bernhard’s firm and eventually a partner. Throughout his life, he worked as a merchant while continuing to write.
He wrote some general philosophical works, including many dealing with the theory of art, but his most well known writings deal with Judaism. Mendelssohn conceived of God as a perfect Being and had faith in God’s wisdom, righteousness, mercy and goodness. He argued that, "the world results from a creative act through which the divine will seeks to realize the highest good." He accepted the existence of miracles and revelation as long as belief in God did not depend on them. He also believed that revelation could not contradict reason. Like the deists, he claimed that reason could discover the reality of God, divine providence and immortality of the soul. He was the first to speak out against the use of excommunication as a religious threat.At the height of his career, in 1769, Mendelssohn was publicly challenged by a Christian apologist, a Zurich pastor named John Lavater, to defend the superiority of Judaism over Christianity.
From then on, he was involved in defending Judaism in print. In 1783, he published Jerusalem, or On Religious Power and Judaism. This study posited that no religious institution should use coercion and emphasized that Judaism does not coerce the mind through dogma. He argued that through reason all people could discover religious philosophical truths, but what made Judaism unique was its divinely revealed code of legal, ritual and moral law. He said that Jews must live in civil society but only in a way that their right to observe religious laws is granted. He recognized the necessity of multiple religions and respected each one.
Mendelssohn wanted to take the Jews out of a ghetto lifestyle and into secular society. He translated the Bible into German, although it was written in Hebrew letters, with a Hebrew commentary called the Biur. He campaigned for emancipation and instructed Jews to form bonds with the gentile governments. He tried to improve the relationship between Jews and Christians as he argued for tolerance and humanity. He became the symbol of the Jewish Enlightenment, the Haskalah.
Mendelssohn's own descendents, the most famous being the composer Felix Mendelssohn, left Judaism for Christianity.
F.Y.I.
Moses's true name was "Masheh" he did not write the Torah ... not one bit. The Torah was pieced together by many other books of that era and older. One of the many things the church does not teach about Masheh and our ancestors in the wilderness for 40 years, is that when Masheh came down from the mountain, and was angered by what he witnessed our ancestors doing with the golden calf, resulted in Masheh breaking the tablets. But in actuality how he broke the tablets is by way of not striking the golden calf in a fit of rage, but by grinding chunks of the gold down to a fine white powder, and then mixing the white powder in water and making or forcing the lost sheep to drink it. This white powder was known as Monatomic Gold a highly spiritual powder and The Purists from of Gold, and in it's rawest form it is said that you can put a pile of monatomic gold ... 12 inches high on a table, and that entire pile will disappear and reappear in and out of our realm or reality ... into the spiritual Realm, you can't witness it with your naked eye but if you record it and slow it down 10,000 x / frame you can Witness the size of the pile start to change. Monatomic is a positively charged powder, it cannot exist around negative aspects of life, so it has to leave our Realm and tap into the spiritual realm for a recharge, this also amplifies the pineal gland for a far much far more powerful connection ... from your pineal gland to the father .. Moses knew this and that's why h.e broke the tablets ... he was trying to right the wrongs done by his brother Aaron and the freed slaves of Egypt (The "Yahawahans" of The 12 Tribes of Yahsrail) ...
2 Chronicles 7:14 |
If my people which are "Called by My Name", shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
@@rationalsceptic7634 God exist
Even the myth of his childhood, adopted by pharaoh how can he read the language on the tablet?
God gave him the power to read all languages
He knew Hebrew
@@linin3288 He knew Hebrew without learning it? Think.
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Ya but this is what orthodox Christianity teaches.
Before saying written by moses, DID THE GUY EVEN EXIST?
And did the canaanite tribe that turned into the later Israelites even have knowledge of writing at that time or did any written texts from them survive that long? If all we have is centuries younger than "Moses" alleged lifetime, it is problematic to determine the real authorship or even time of creation of these texts... ;-)
FFS half of the OT still has traces of a polytheistic pantheon in its formulations... while it was changed to read monotheistic (okay, actually "monolatrian" as they freely admit other gods exist, but demand you only worship one of them ... or else!) so tampering is evident in the "holy bible".
Yes he did Sinai 361 confirm it.
Again there would not be any Moses if he didn't exist
@Brent Knoerl
Why would Jesus refer to him
John 5:46-47 English Standard Version (ESV)
46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
@Sticky Steve
You no study
If Moses wrote Exodus why is Exodus written in 3rd person and not in 1st person? 🤔
It is the trinity.
truethinker. No. If it was trinity, it would still be first person, but plural, not singular.
Though, that’s just a Christian argument. In Hebrew (and Arabic too) there’s a concept of using plural first person to refer to yourself to show you have a gigantic ego!
It’s in third person because Moses was a narrator and not real historically! That story was copied from the walls of the pyramids taking about pharaoh thutmose III.
@@_R_D_N_ It was a pun a joke.
@@michaeleatmon9127 Moses was Thut Moses. 111
According to historian, Walter Williams, the first five books of the Bible were written by Moses Maimonides (Moses Ben Maimon) in the 12th century AD/CE. It is said that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible because he did. However, this Moses was not the fabled figure of antiquity. He was a medieval Jewish philosopher.
There is about a 0% chance of that being true. Consider the fact that we have manuscripts of the Torah dating from over 1000 years before Maimonides was born
@@MilwaukeeAtheists I wouldn’t be so sure. In his book, “History: Fiction or Science,” Anatoly Fomenko showed that much of ancient history was forged and falsified by the clergy in the Middle Ages and Renaissance era. This isn’t impossible with the Hebrews, as we have evidence of this in many other related cases. For example, people lied about the ossuary which supposedly held James’s bones, who was thought to be the brother of Jesus. The ossuary had an inscription which read, “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.” That was found to be a forgery. Lastly, the Dead Sea scrolls which were found in 1947 and believed to contain authentic writings from antiquity, including the Hebrew Bible, was also found to be 20th century fakes. Much of standard ancient history needs to be questioned.
What you said about the DSS isn't true though. Fake ones were sold to a museum but they scrolls themselves were tested through multiple authentication methods. Both carbon dating and paleography
@@MilwaukeeAtheists one should remain skeptical of the claim that there are authentic scrolls, as the ones in Israel are not being subjected to the degree of external scrutiny that the ones in Washington, DC were. For political reasons, one could understand why they wouldn’t allow such scrutiny. If you’re a skeptic, it should go all the way down.
The carbon dating of the original cache was done in multiple places around the world. As it should have been to verify the dating. My standard of evidence on the dating of the scrolls has been met. Skepticism doesn't mean denialism
Considering the torah describes moses death, unless he had the ability to write about himself postmortem, i doubt he wrote torah
is there any few docuements of moses in egipt
Another GREAT video, guys!!!
Thank you
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moses-mendelssohn
The info below Moses is just a little of what I found, it gives you a good bit of TRUTH but leaves out a TON OF TRUTH .... I will leave an F.Y.I. it will have the left out info about THE REAL MOSES !
Moses Mendelssohn ...... He was the son of a Torah scribe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He began a traditional Jewish education under David Fraenkel, the rabbi of Dessau. When Fraenkel became rabbi of Berlin, the 14-year-old Mendelssohn followed him and studied in Fraenkel’s yeshiva in Berlin. He soon became a promising scholar of Talmud and Rabbinics. He is a relative of Samson Raphael Hirsch
In addition to learning German and Hebrew in Berlin, Mendelssohn also studied some French, Italian, English, Latin and Greek. He took up other secular subjects, in which he excelled, including mathematics, logic and philosophy. In the mid-1750s, he developed friendships with the philosopher Immanuel Kant and also with Gotthold Lessing, a dramatist, literary critic and advocate of enlightened toleration in Germany.
Mendelssohn began to serve as a teacher in the house of Isaac Bernhard, the owner of a silk factory. That same year, Frederick the Great gave him the status of "Jew under extraordinary protection." In 1763, the Prussian Academy of Sciences awarded him a prize for his treatise on "evidence in the metaphysical sciences." Four years later, he became the bookkeeper of Bernhard’s firm and eventually a partner. Throughout his life, he worked as a merchant while continuing to write.
He wrote some general philosophical works, including many dealing with the theory of art, but his most well known writings deal with Judaism. Mendelssohn conceived of God as a perfect Being and had faith in God’s wisdom, righteousness, mercy and goodness. He argued that, "the world results from a creative act through which the divine will seeks to realize the highest good." He accepted the existence of miracles and revelation as long as belief in God did not depend on them. He also believed that revelation could not contradict reason. Like the deists, he claimed that reason could discover the reality of God, divine providence and immortality of the soul. He was the first to speak out against the use of excommunication as a religious threat.At the height of his career, in 1769, Mendelssohn was publicly challenged by a Christian apologist, a Zurich pastor named John Lavater, to defend the superiority of Judaism over Christianity.
From then on, he was involved in defending Judaism in print. In 1783, he published Jerusalem, or On Religious Power and Judaism. This study posited that no religious institution should use coercion and emphasized that Judaism does not coerce the mind through dogma. He argued that through reason all people could discover religious philosophical truths, but what made Judaism unique was its divinely revealed code of legal, ritual and moral law. He said that Jews must live in civil society but only in a way that their right to observe religious laws is granted. He recognized the necessity of multiple religions and respected each one.
Mendelssohn wanted to take the Jews out of a ghetto lifestyle and into secular society. He translated the Bible into German, although it was written in Hebrew letters, with a Hebrew commentary called the Biur. He campaigned for emancipation and instructed Jews to form bonds with the gentile governments. He tried to improve the relationship between Jews and Christians as he argued for tolerance and humanity. He became the symbol of the Jewish Enlightenment, the Haskalah.
Mendelssohn's own descendents, the most famous being the composer Felix Mendelssohn, left Judaism for Christianity.
F.Y.I.
Moses's true name was "Masheh" he did not write the Torah ... not one bit. The Torah was pieced together by many other books of that era and older. One of the many things the church does not teach about Masheh and our ancestors in the wilderness for 40 years, is that when Masheh came down from the mountain, and was angered by what he witnessed our ancestors doing with the golden calf, resulted in Masheh breaking the tablets. But in actuality how he broke the tablets is by way of not striking the golden calf in a fit of rage, but by grinding chunks of the gold down to a fine white powder, and then mixing the white powder in water and making or forcing the lost sheep to drink it. This white powder was known as Monatomic Gold a highly spiritual powder and The Purists from of Gold, and in it's rawest form it is said that you can put a pile of monatomic gold ... 12 inches high on a table, and that entire pile will disappear and reappear in and out of our realm or reality ... into the spiritual Realm, you can't witness it with your naked eye but if you record it and slow it down 10,000 x / frame you can Witness the size of the pile start to change. Monatomic is a positively charged powder, it cannot exist around negative aspects of life, so it has to leave our Realm and tap into the spiritual realm for a recharge, this also amplifies the pineal gland for a far much far more powerful connection ... from your pineal gland to the father .. Moses knew this and that's why h.e broke the tablets ... he was trying to right the wrongs done by his brother Aaron and the freed slaves of Egypt.
Lifelong Christian here. it took me 40 years to realize that there is literally no historical or physical proof that Moses ever existed.
I have to say I found that shocking as well. That the 400 years of captivity in Egypt, the Exodus, and time in the Wilderness can't be proven, and in many ways have disproved so much of what we consider foundational is very troubling. For me, it makes me wonder why we were taught so many things which appear to have no basis in fact.
Joobs damn it only took me 65 years to realize that
Brent Knoerl Jesus never existed, in fact nobody in the Bible ever existed! It’s all religious literature turned religious propaganda to control and enslave the masses!
Brent Knoerl He didn’t exit he existed...
Joobs And Muhammad didn’t either. Neither did Santa 🎅🏽 Claus...
Ive heard it was the prophet Jeremiah and his scribe Baruch who actually put pen to paper... Id suspect it was largely transferred vocally before that.
"Did Moses write the Torah?"
No, Moses wrote none of the Torah (Pentateuch), because he was a legendary character in the Torah itself and not a historical person.
The modern scholarly consensus is that the Torah has multiple authors and that its composition took place over centuries and it leaves no room for any contribution by Moses. This contemporary common hypothesis among biblical scholars states that the first major comprehensive draft of the Pentateuch was composed in the late 7th or the 6th century BCE (the Jahwist source), and that this was later expanded by the addition of various narratives and laws (the Priestly source) into a work very like the one existing today.
"The consensus of scholarship is that the stories are taken from four different written sources and that these were brought together over the course of time to form the first five books of the Bible as a composite work. The sources are known as J, the Jahwist source (from the German transliteration of the Hebrew YHWH), E, the Elohist source, P, the priestly source, and D, the Deuteronomist source. ... Thus, the Pentateuch (or Torah, as it is known by Jews) comprises material taken from six centuries of human history, which has been put together to give a comprehensive picture of the creation of the world and of God's dealings with his peoples, specifically with the people of Israel." (Professor John Riches of the University of Glasgow).
Reference-
Riches, John (2000). The Bible: A Very Short Introduction. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 19-20.
there is also consensus that the stories pre date the wtitting of them on some instances, like the creation narrative, or at least creation narrative 1 is part of an oral storey tradition for the early is it summerians, or around the Mesopotamian place my geography acting up with all these dates
The Israelites may have written down the stories from oral tradition but that would be after the collapse of civilisation into a dark age in the 12th century BCE when even writing was lost. Prior to then many stories would have been written in cuneiform like the Epic of Gilgamesh on which Noah's Flood is based. Writing was reinvented by the Phoenicians as civilisation recovered. The Sumerians would not have needed an oral tradition because they had writing before the late bronze age dark age.
God can tell mosses everything god wanted us to read but if u don’t belief that god exists none of this even matters just another mythology of the ancient worl d
THEN IF MOSES DID NOT EXIST THEN JESUS NEVER EXISTED AND THERE IS SO MUCH HISTORICAL PROFF THAT JESUS EXISTED AND JESUS SPOKE OF MOSES---FELLOW CHRISTIAN DONT LET ANYONE TAKE YOUR FAITH AND SALVATION AWAY
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moses-mendelssohn
The info below about Moses is just a little of what I found, it gives you a good bit of TRUTH but leaves out a TON OF TRUTH .... I will leave an F.Y.I. it will have the left out info about THE REAL MOSES !
Moses Mendelssohn ...... He was the son of a Torah scribe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He began a traditional Jewish education under David Fraenkel, the rabbi of Dessau. When Fraenkel became rabbi of Berlin, the 14-year-old Mendelssohn followed him and studied in Fraenkel’s yeshiva in Berlin. He soon became a promising scholar of Talmud and Rabbinics. He is a relative of Samson Raphael Hirsch
In addition to learning German and Hebrew in Berlin, Mendelssohn also studied some French, Italian, English, Latin and Greek. He took up other secular subjects, in which he excelled, including mathematics, logic and philosophy. In the mid-1750s, he developed friendships with the philosopher Immanuel Kant and also with Gotthold Lessing, a dramatist, literary critic and advocate of enlightened toleration in Germany.
Mendelssohn began to serve as a teacher in the house of Isaac Bernhard, the owner of a silk factory. That same year, Frederick the Great gave him the status of "Jew under extraordinary protection." In 1763, the Prussian Academy of Sciences awarded him a prize for his treatise on "evidence in the metaphysical sciences." Four years later, he became the bookkeeper of Bernhard’s firm and eventually a partner. Throughout his life, he worked as a merchant while continuing to write.
He wrote some general philosophical works, including many dealing with the theory of art, but his most well known writings deal with Judaism. Mendelssohn conceived of God as a perfect Being and had faith in God’s wisdom, righteousness, mercy and goodness. He argued that, "the world results from a creative act through which the divine will seeks to realize the highest good." He accepted the existence of miracles and revelation as long as belief in God did not depend on them. He also believed that revelation could not contradict reason. Like the deists, he claimed that reason could discover the reality of God, divine providence and immortality of the soul. He was the first to speak out against the use of excommunication as a religious threat.At the height of his career, in 1769, Mendelssohn was publicly challenged by a Christian apologist, a Zurich pastor named John Lavater, to defend the superiority of Judaism over Christianity.
From then on, he was involved in defending Judaism in print. In 1783, he published Jerusalem, or On Religious Power and Judaism. This study posited that no religious institution should use coercion and emphasized that Judaism does not coerce the mind through dogma. He argued that through reason all people could discover religious philosophical truths, but what made Judaism unique was its divinely revealed code of legal, ritual and moral law. He said that Jews must live in civil society but only in a way that their right to observe religious laws is granted. He recognized the necessity of multiple religions and respected each one.
Mendelssohn wanted to take the Jews out of a ghetto lifestyle and into secular society. He translated the Bible into German, although it was written in Hebrew letters, with a Hebrew commentary called the Biur. He campaigned for emancipation and instructed Jews to form bonds with the gentile governments. He tried to improve the relationship between Jews and Christians as he argued for tolerance and humanity. He became the symbol of the Jewish Enlightenment, the Haskalah.
Mendelssohn's own descendents, the most famous being the composer Felix Mendelssohn, left Judaism for Christianity.
F.Y.I.
Moses's true name was "Masheh" he did not write the Torah ... not one bit. The Torah was pieced together by many other books of that era and older. One of the many things the church does not teach about Masheh and our ancestors in the wilderness for 40 years, is that when Masheh came down from the mountain, and was angered by what he witnessed our ancestors doing with the golden calf, resulted in Masheh breaking the tablets. But in actuality how he broke the tablets is by way of not striking the golden calf in a fit of rage, but by grinding chunks of the gold down to a fine white powder, and then mixing the white powder in water and making or forcing the lost sheep to drink it. This white powder was known as Monatomic Gold a highly spiritual powder and The Purists from of Gold, and in it's rawest form it is said that you can put a pile of monatomic gold ... 12 inches high on a table, and that entire pile will disappear and reappear in and out of our realm or reality ... into the spiritual Realm, you can't witness it with your naked eye but if you record it and slow it down 10,000 x / frame you can Witness the size of the pile start to change. Monatomic is a positively charged powder, it cannot exist around negative aspects of life, so it has to leave our Realm and tap into the spiritual realm for a recharge, this also amplifies the pineal gland for a far much far more powerful connection ... from your pineal gland to the father .. Moses knew this and that's why h.e broke the tablets ... he was trying to right the wrongs done by his brother Aaron and the freed slaves of Egypt (The "Yahawahans" of The 12 Tribes of Yahsrail) ...
2 Chronicles 7:14 |
If my people which are "Called by My Name", shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
According to Jewish tradition, god gave the Tora to Moses on mount Sini. Moses received the Tora all complete.
Sumerian Tablets...are way older. debunk those and I will actually be impressed.
Please do more on JEP theories.
Yeah JEP three authors for one verse
Thank you for this video! I’ve always wondered how they could have remembered all the names in the generations, or remember all the details of the hundreds of laws or the details of the instructions to build the ark.
Thutmose III wrote it first.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moses-mendelssohn
The info below Moses is just a little of what I found, it gives you a good bit of TRUTH but leaves out a TON OF TRUTH .... I will leave an F.Y.I. it will have the left out info about THE REAL MOSES !
Moses Mendelssohn ...... He was the son of a Torah scribe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He began a traditional Jewish education under David Fraenkel, the rabbi of Dessau. When Fraenkel became rabbi of Berlin, the 14-year-old Mendelssohn followed him and studied in Fraenkel’s yeshiva in Berlin. He soon became a promising scholar of Talmud and Rabbinics. He is a relative of Samson Raphael Hirsch
In addition to learning German and Hebrew in Berlin, Mendelssohn also studied some French, Italian, English, Latin and Greek. He took up other secular subjects, in which he excelled, including mathematics, logic and philosophy. In the mid-1750s, he developed friendships with the philosopher Immanuel Kant and also with Gotthold Lessing, a dramatist, literary critic and advocate of enlightened toleration in Germany.
Mendelssohn began to serve as a teacher in the house of Isaac Bernhard, the owner of a silk factory. That same year, Frederick the Great gave him the status of "Jew under extraordinary protection." In 1763, the Prussian Academy of Sciences awarded him a prize for his treatise on "evidence in the metaphysical sciences." Four years later, he became the bookkeeper of Bernhard’s firm and eventually a partner. Throughout his life, he worked as a merchant while continuing to write.
He wrote some general philosophical works, including many dealing with the theory of art, but his most well known writings deal with Judaism. Mendelssohn conceived of God as a perfect Being and had faith in God’s wisdom, righteousness, mercy and goodness. He argued that, "the world results from a creative act through which the divine will seeks to realize the highest good." He accepted the existence of miracles and revelation as long as belief in God did not depend on them. He also believed that revelation could not contradict reason. Like the deists, he claimed that reason could discover the reality of God, divine providence and immortality of the soul. He was the first to speak out against the use of excommunication as a religious threat.At the height of his career, in 1769, Mendelssohn was publicly challenged by a Christian apologist, a Zurich pastor named John Lavater, to defend the superiority of Judaism over Christianity.
From then on, he was involved in defending Judaism in print. In 1783, he published Jerusalem, or On Religious Power and Judaism. This study posited that no religious institution should use coercion and emphasized that Judaism does not coerce the mind through dogma. He argued that through reason all people could discover religious philosophical truths, but what made Judaism unique was its divinely revealed code of legal, ritual and moral law. He said that Jews must live in civil society but only in a way that their right to observe religious laws is granted. He recognized the necessity of multiple religions and respected each one.
Mendelssohn wanted to take the Jews out of a ghetto lifestyle and into secular society. He translated the Bible into German, although it was written in Hebrew letters, with a Hebrew commentary called the Biur. He campaigned for emancipation and instructed Jews to form bonds with the gentile governments. He tried to improve the relationship between Jews and Christians as he argued for tolerance and humanity. He became the symbol of the Jewish Enlightenment, the Haskalah.
Mendelssohn's own descendents, the most famous being the composer Felix Mendelssohn, left Judaism for Christianity.
F.Y.I.
Moses's true name was "Masheh" he did not write the Torah ... not one bit. The Torah was pieced together by many other books of that era and older. One of the many things the church does not teach about Masheh and our ancestors in the wilderness for 40 years, is that when Masheh came down from the mountain, and was angered by what he witnessed our ancestors doing with the golden calf, resulted in Masheh breaking the tablets. But in actuality how he broke the tablets is by way of not striking the golden calf in a fit of rage, but by grinding chunks of the gold down to a fine white powder, and then mixing the white powder in water and making or forcing the lost sheep to drink it. This white powder was known as Monatomic Gold a highly spiritual powder and The Purists from of Gold, and in it's rawest form it is said that you can put a pile of monatomic gold ... 12 inches high on a table, and that entire pile will disappear and reappear in and out of our realm or reality ... into the spiritual Realm, you can't witness it with your naked eye but if you record it and slow it down 10,000 x / frame you can Witness the size of the pile start to change. Monatomic is a positively charged powder, it cannot exist around negative aspects of life, so it has to leave our Realm and tap into the spiritual realm for a recharge, this also amplifies the pineal gland for a far much far more powerful connection ... from your pineal gland to the father .. Moses knew this and that's why h.e broke the tablets ... he was trying to right the wrongs done by his brother Aaron and the freed slaves of Egypt.
Almost certainly written around 550 BC in Babylon I
Anyone know where the Torah says that Moses wrote it ?
Writing is not the issue. Moses didn't write the Torah in the traditional understanding of the term writing which is authorship. God is the author. (Exodus chapter 24 verse 12) Moses did write the Torah down. (copied it from God's dictation)
In answer though to your question, the answer is Deuteronomy chapter 31 verse 9.
@@bigshmooz610 I never say the notification for this Thanks . Do yo believe Moses wrote the Torah ? Do you study modern theology ? This is not that modern but is a way to get started.
biblehub.com/commentaries/deuteronomy/31-24.htm
Exodus Evidence:
1) On Sehiel Island, Egypt; there is a rock with the description of the years of hunger (Star of Hunger). She also mentions Imhotep, which can be translated as Yosef (Joseph in Hebrew).
2) Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
3) The name [Moses] is a name of very ancient Egyptian origin.
4) In the Sinai Peninsula (Egypt), proto-Hebrew inscriptions were found in caves. At Sinai 361, the Inscription of Moses was found; therefore, the existence of Moses is proven.
5) The real Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia (Galatians 4:25).
6) In the Book of Exodus, God went down to Mount Sinai, and he began to smoke; and indeed, at Mount Sinai, his Peak is Blackened.
7) The Altar of Golden Calf is below the hill. There, drawings of people worshiping cattle were found.
8) The Pillars of the Dose of the Tribes of Israel were also found.
9) The first extra-biblical mention of Moses appears in the writings of Hecataeus of Abdera (323 BC).
10) The historian, geographer and philosopher Strabo did not doubt the existence of Moses; he said he was an Egyptian priest, who went to Judea with a large number of people.
11) Tacitus (Roman Historian), says that Pharaoh Broccoris suffered a plague and expelled a certain crowd, corresponding to the record of the Exodus.
Extra Evidence:
1) In the Hathor Temple, in the Serabit el-Khadim, there are Proto-Sinaitic, Canaanite, Phoenician and Hebrew inscriptions.
2) The Merneptah Stele may be the first, oldest, or if not, the only mention of Israel in Egypt. Therefore, the Exodus is a HISTORICAL FACT, and Moses, REALLY EXISTED!
Og/Gog/God is the summer sun. When the sun goes below the equinoxes, he sleeps on an iron bed, while his brother Magog (winter sun) takes over.
Gerald McFarlin it’s all astronomical! Check out the UA-cam video entitled The Son of God is the Sun of God
But... meow... Moses wrote the Torah! The inconsistencies you're pointing out are due to what iz known as divine inspiration. Where he's wrong, it's due to Moses's sinful and imperfect being. A rabbi told this to me and he looked savvy, so these arguments have to be valid or do you think he BS me?
Meow?
Yea, meow, I'm a lolcat from planet Mars.
If it's a Rabbi he would have chickenshitted you... they no longer have any need for sacrificial Bulls since the Temple was destroyed in 77 CE... and on the budget of your average Non Megachurch preacher...
lol
5:05 Correction: Talmud (Menachot 30A) says that the last 8 verses were written by Joshua. This was written many hundreds of years before Ibn Ezra.
Additionally, the entire value of the Bible is that is divine. Arguing that it has to fit within the rules of critical, historical text is silly because if one is unwilling to take it as a divine/miraculous document, they have no dog in this fight.
The most radical fundamentalist will not argue with you using your ground rules. It's almost like an American challenging a European to a football game when all the while the Europeans are referring to soccer.
Among the vast majority of scholars, I would contend that the Torah was
not written by Moses. I can explain the prevailing theory of the Torah's
authorship and composition.
Although it is still disputed to this day, many biblical scholars
believe the Documentary Hypothesis answers this question adequately.
Essentially it is the idea that a literary criticism of the Pentateuch
reveals evidence of multiple authorship throughout - also called "sources". The points of division among the differing authors is explained through things such as, but not exhaustive to:
-Preferences for the divine name
-Genre of the text
-Emphasis on women
-The existence of doublets within the text (the same story explained in multiple different ways)
-Two names describing the same person or tribe
-Theological emphasis
These sources are explained as such:
*1. J Source:*
1) (Yahwist) the first source to be written because the divine name Yahweh appears in it (See Genesis 2). Most scholars believe that this J source is a product of a golden age in Judah possibly during the time of Solomon. In the J source we find a very personified description of the divine being. J also emphasizes the role of women starting with Eve in the garden. Also most of the time throughout the later parts of Genesis, stories of the wives of the patriarchs typically match with the J source’s style.
2) The J source focus a lot on Judah as it is found - a visible attempt to link King David with patriarchs such as Abraham. (Biblical history focuses more on a legitimization of political or social order based on connection to Abraham, David and Moses rather than interest in historically accurate ideals.
3) J tends to focus more on the human- divine relationship with an emphasis on the implications for humans. (God molding Adam from the earth, the fall in Genesis 3)
*2. The E source:*
1) Elohist is the second source as it favors the divine name Elohim.
2) The divine name YHWH does not appear until it is revealed to Moses. (Exodus 3)
3) This source does not typically appear until later in Genesis around the 20th chapter. Gen 20: 1-17
4) It is assumed the author of the E source was from the Northern Kingdom of Israel due to less emphasis attempting to connect itself to the Davidic line but maintains a heavy emphasis on Joseph.
5) In the E source, the deity often communicates through dreams and is therefore more indirectly involved in the lives of humans.
6) E source was likely more a collection of oral traditions that found their biases in the final redactor’s mind during completion.
*3. D Source:*
This source contains most of the material found in the book of Deuteronomy.
1) Does not factor into Genesis
2) Scholars believe this source to contain a lot of the book found in the Temple by King Josiah.
3) D’s theology is that of a retributionist God against sin in the world.
*4. P Source:*
1)Priestly Writer due to its concern with matters of worship and law associated with Priesthood.
2) P prefers the divine name Elohim and needs to be distinguished from E on the grounds of style. P is more formal than J or E and its view of the deity focuses on majestic description.
3) GEN 1 is assumed to have come from P. Genesis 5 and 11. P is found in other accounts such as one of the flood accounts in Genesis 6:11-22. P was viewed to have been written the latest of all the sources likely after the Babylonian Exile.
*5. R Source:*
1) This individual or group of people combined all the sources into one collection.
2) The Redactor was viewed to have a few objectives in mind when finally forming together the four sources, the one I am most familiar with is preservation:
a. Preservation - this accounts for many contradictions within the Bible. In fact, they're an attempt by the redactor to preserve the multiple ways of Jewish thinking about God and humans alike.
well written and informative.
Spinoza knew that Moses did not write the Torah, even if it is called the Five Books of Moses. Moses and his so-called books is fictional.
fictional, maybe problematic and unlikely. fictional is too strong a stance
Perhaps the proper term for the entirety of Abrahamic texts is Legends, Stories, Fables and Myths.
"...is(*are) fictional"
Jesus said he wrote it
John 5:46-47 English Standard Version (ESV)
46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
THEN IF MOSES DID NOT EXIST THEN JESUS NEVER EXISTED AND THERE IS SO MUCH HISTORICAL PROFF THAT JESUS EXISTED AND JESUS SPOKE OF MOSES---FELLOW CHRISTIAN DONT LET ANYONE TAKE YOUR FAITH AND SALVATION AWAY
You know he had the tablets yet know one knows what all the hand bags are, in earlier tales of the samedivine "divine event" !
Nor do Christians understand what "coming out of a dark place" means, yet some people supposedly came out of Egypt????
At about 10:50, you say "...scholars have went..." This is such a PERFECT example of Milwaukee English, as to convince me you really ARE a Milwaukee atheist. Not QUITE as good as "Throw Momma from the train a kiss", but good enough for me. Where do I sign up?
Sounds like ur ready to join the new herd
Sounds like ur ready to join the new herd
so?..
The main question is; which Torah?
Is it the Septaguaint, Masoretic or the Essennes (Dead Sea Scroll)
Yes,he did. Agrument finished.
Yes scribes did make mistakes,thats why theres many manuscripts of Torah(Masoretic,Samaritan,Septuigant,Dead Sea Scrolls) but he still did write the Torah in its original form, and so thats why all the aforementioned manuscripts are very similar in most cases.
Wait a minute - all of your arguments are basically "There's no way Moses could know the future through divine revelation, therefore" ~ ~ ~
That's like saying there's no way Jesus could have risen from the dead, therefore he didn't. Its circular logic.
There were 3 Hadads in the Bible who were not the same person. 1 Kings 11:19 does not give the name to the one you mentioned. You have not checked all of your facts
Since the Torah talks about Moses dying and being buried, how could he have written it? There isn't anything in it that is in the first person as if written by Moses, either. So it's hard to understand where the belief that he wrote it came from.
What about the Sumerian clay tablets found that were written approximately 3-5000 yrs BCE. They are almost word for word as written in the king James bible. I agree with you, Moses didn't write it. Maybe copied it as it appears other stories have been copied several places in the bible. I have found other discrepancies or errors if you want to call it through out the bible.
THEN IF MOSES DID NOT EXIST THEN JESUS NEVER EXISTED AND THERE IS SO MUCH HISTORICAL PROFF THAT JESUS EXISTED AND JESUS SPOKE OF MOSES---FELLOW CHRISTIAN DONT LET ANYONE TAKE YOUR FAITH AND SALVATION AWAY
5:00 You actually are mistaken. The Talmud is the first known source for Moses not writing down the account of his death.
(02 November 2023 05:30 p.m. EST)
An important clue for the dating of the Torah (Pentateuch) is the presence of anachronisms within the text.
On such anachronism is the mention of the Edomite capital of Bozrah in Genesis 36:32
"And Bela died, and Jobab the son of Zerah of Bozrah reigned in his stead."
In the 1970's Buseirah was excavated by archaeologists and determined to be no earlier than the 8th century BC (the 700's BC).
Some claim the Exodus was circa 1446 BC based on 1 Kings 6:1. Others claim circa 1260 BC under Ramesses II, as the Hebrews are credited in the Bible with creating the city.
It is highly unlikely that Moses wrote of a city founded no earlier than the 8th century BC, had he lived ca. the 15th or 13th century BC, as the city came into existence in the 8th century BC.
The Bible says the book of the Law was found in the days of King Josiah who reigned in the 7th century BC, by the High Priest Hilkiah (2 Kings 22:8).
Is this High Priest the real author of the Torah, which mentions Bozrah of the 8th century BC?
Moses didn't exist and the Documentary Hypothesis is real.
moses serves one main purpose as the one who gives the Law. I'd say it's likely he was just inflated to make the story more interesting. it's also interesting that as one priveledged to interact with the Egyptian philosophies according to the bible, he would have been familiar with the 42 negative confessions of maat, which predate and correspond well to the COMMANDMENTS.
John 5:46-47 English Standard Version (ESV)
46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
Moses wrote the Torah by the spirit of the Most High.
Well, if Noah's name was not really "Noah" then maybe Moses's name was not really "Moses". So now what you have to do is to find out who the real person is that they called Moses. While you are at it, do you think that by finding out about who the Amalek really were that it might give some clue about the person called Moses?
Love this ❤️ channel.. though I am a believer, I know the text is errant.. some say," Mike, if you believe the Bible is errant, how can you believe ? To me it's just a spiritual thing.. this is why I love the atheist work to show the biblical errancy.. to me it is very important to bring the spiritual nature into my belief and away from the textual falacies.. keep up the good work 💪😊👍
I earnestly urge you to read and consider the Qur'an and the history behind it, and rationally consider the contents, archaeological, historical, scientific, mathematical, sociological and spiritual.,
@@bravelionheart6572 The Quran is just like the OT bible with stuff we don't like cut out . All the good stuff Like chomping of heads smashing babies Having sex with all the female slaves you can afford .what is not to like.?
I can appreciate someone who views the Bible as a spiritual book and not historical
@@thomaslong8401 The Bible is a book of wisdom
Mike O'Dell I agree! Faith goes beyond needing proof, that’s why it’s faith.
Sup with the horns Moses?
Moses may have written some of the Torah, but I believe the Books of Moses probably refer more to the time when they were living under the law given to Moses. They did continue living under the old Mosaic law long after his death, but in these five the Mosaic law was given to the people.
You might think some of it was written by someone with a grudge against bulls and rams.
I think they sacrificed sheep because the sheep were baad
@@truethinker221 lol 😆 Very punny!
How does “Moses didn’t write the Torah” lead directly to “Moses wasn’t a real person in history?” I didn’t follow the logic there. Nice video though. Thank you for your work.
Around the 10:00 mark it is simply stated that modern scholar don't think that Moses didn't exist at all. This isn't further elaborated and doesn't logically follow from what had come before. I guess, this was added to show how far the consensus has shifted in the past 100 years.
Your question is interesting, though. In fact, biblical archaeology has called into question a lot of "history" as related in the Old Testament.
If you're interested in this topic, check out "The Bible Unearthed" by Finkelstein and Silberman.
The story of how 600,000 Israelite men over 20 (2 - 3 million Israelites counting others) crossing the held back Red Sea, marching a few hundred km in 40 years (talk about slow, a few metres a day) and not leaving any detritus or other archaeological artifacts is all related to Moses. Reads more like Harry Potter.
@@jensraab2902 arent we using the same power of suggestion and arguement to empower people with better discernment upon recieving information by studious gatherers of information based on ancient knowledge mishandled by people thousands of years ago? If we wish for discernment, perhaps we should just go to the blasphemers or ones who disregard the higher virtues of humanity which our modern world was built upon, and tell them they are heretics, and "we" whomever we stand next to (which should be basic human life) thereby masterfully keeping sound doctrine from false ones. If we are so good..write a masterful book on how to be good and save humanity from its own destruction.
Many don't think lack of signs left that long ago in the Sinai would mean it didn't happen. A simple explanation is that it was embellished and many refugees combined at different times and began to form nomadic tribes or joined original ones. Moses became a Midianite. Also even Egyptologist see the Exodus Of Slaves During the Tut Moses dynasty written in Hieroglyphs in the chambers of the Temples . .
Not even sure Moses even existed... so no? Also why would I be like "Deconverted Man wrote this post from start to end" :D
THEN IF MOSES DID NOT EXIST THEN JESUS NEVER EXISTED AND THERE IS SO MUCH HISTORICAL PROFF THAT JESUS EXISTED AND JESUS SPOKE OF MOSES---FELLOW CHRISTIAN DONT LET ANYONE TAKE YOUR FAITH AND SALVATION AWAY
@@mamlopez7873 Stfu and take your meds.
even when I was into it, I never couldagree that moses wrote most of the would be torah, due to the verse which tell yoou what to think about it
THEN IF MOSES DID NOT EXIST THEN JESUS NEVER EXISTED AND THERE IS SO MUCH HISTORICAL PROFF THAT JESUS EXISTED AND JESUS SPOKE OF MOSES---FELLOW CHRISTIAN DONT LET ANYONE TAKE YOUR FAITH AND SALVATION AWAY
according to jubilee 1:27.the torah was.writen by the angel, but in jubilee ,2:1 it.says that MOSES write the.torah guided by the angel of the presence.
@juan sebastian Diaz its the a part of the bible...it is the book of years and time of the ages...and it was written by Mosses guided by the angel..
a lot of books, which is part of the bible is missing.
@juan sebastian Diaz the 1611 KJV did have those books in it. But this is a classic display of how ppl cherry pick what to put into the "Holy" Bible and pass it off as being the defacto standard. If anything it exposed just how vile and deceptive the whole process (aka dumpster fire) of compiling the Bible was. Then to keep the masses under subjection, they'll put the classic "God inspired or guided the process of the compiling the Bible" so ppl dare not question the results.
@juan sebastian Diaz In my close-minded ignorance, I think very few read the thing entire thing or read it with an open mind. They treat it like a trash heap where they pick out the bits and pieces they like and discard the rest. For the others, they just take their pastor's word for it and don't even bother confirming what they've been taught. With that said, if anyone has read the Christian Bible and not realized how disjointed it is, then color me surprised. Of course it's always "You lack understanding and need the holy Spirit to guide you", once a person finds the oddities and blatantly incorrect information it contains..
@juan sebastian Diaz Taking your example, you run into problems right out of the gate with this whole KJV thing. 1611 KJV vs KJV is a pretty interesting paradox, or the whole Catholic vs Protestant Bible thing. As for biblical contradictions, I'm not sure what people mean by that per se, but I will say that the Christian Bible has led to the introduction of some concepts that don't seem to be supported by Torah and Christianity has taken and ran with it. My shortlist is: the rapture, replacement theology, hell (which the KJV botched badly by overloading that word), the HaSatan character, keeping the commandments, and prophecies that they're convinced were intended for our times.
@juan sebastian Diaz I agree that the rapture is total bunk. However the verses you noted in Thessalonians leads to an interesting observation. Mainly who that passage was directed to and the timeframe when the event was expected to take place. Some ppl would say the writer was talking to us and that it's meant for today.
The replacement theology asserts that the gentiles take the place of YAH's chosen people, this due to erroneous reading of the Bible.
In the old testament HaSatan is rarely (if ever) to be found in the context that he is portrayed as in the Gospels and NT writings. There is a satan (accuser or adversary) in OT writings, but HaSatan seems to pop up out of nowhere after the book of Malachi. I won't even get into how so many have claimed Lucifer is HaSatan, which is impossible, but yet again Christianity keeps dragging that misconception along without correcting it.
The KJV has erroneously translated Gehenna into hell in various places which has led to a gross misunderstanding that is rarely corrected.
As for the commandments, it's the same argument repeated ad nauseum. We're under grace, etc etc. However, the writers failed to remove these verses from the Christian Bible.
1 John 5:2-3 KJV
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Revelation 22:14 KJV
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 14:12 KJV
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 12:17 KJV
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
With that said, this reveals something interesting. So many sects claiming to be right. Each carrying their own version of Holy text (which in itself varies in its contents). Christianity alone is an absolute horror show. So many different flavors of it and then you aren't a TRUE Christian unless you're of a specific denomination or follow a specific translation of the Bible.
So to be clear, I'm here to gather others perspective on things rather than try to get a point across. I'll throw out a bone to see what someone makes of it. Also, I've left Christianity long ago. I respect one's choice to worship as they see fit, but there are things within Christian doctrine that defied logic. All this was before I even placed the Bible under scrutiny to see if it could stand to interrogation.
6:08 there are several discrepancies in this video... 6:08 though is completely misunderstood, as the word in Hebrew used for "other side" is a term used to reference a time period and location. In other words, Moses spoke to them, not from the western bank of the Jordan, but from the eastern side as he was with the rest of Israel. This is why a competent knowledge of Hebrew is essential.
Wait wait wait the book of the covenant is a few chapters of the Bible. The author is basically retelling what was done.
If I say Johnny went to the store and then when he came home he wrote a book. That’s not me saying Johnny wrote this book that’s me recounting what Johnny did
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On what basis you say that moses wrote torah. The stories are not and the persons mentioned in the stories never existed, not even moses. That means you do not know who invented the bible.
I literally said Moses DIDN'T wrote the Torah
@@MilwaukeeAtheists, you are clearly not well versed in what you critique here. & yes, Moses didn't write the Torah. God did. (Exodus chapter 24 verse 12) As to a critique on your entire video you might want to read the following...
I watched the video above and I notice the speaker makes some obvious mistakes in *every single claim he makes.*
1) I agree Moses did not author the Torah. I would point out that Judaism never made such a claim. The verses the speaker in the video uses to try to show this never state Moses authored the Torah. In fact the very verses he quotes from when making this claim state explicitly that it was God who commanded it and spoke it. Note the verse (which he quotes) "& this is the Torah that Moses set (not authored) before the children of Israel".
2) While he does point out that the Talmud mentions the fact that Moses wrote down the last eight verses, (with tears in his eyes) he discounts this as unpopular. In fact it is the accepted understanding there (the claim that Joshua wrote them is actually refuted there) because Scripture clearly attests to the fact that Moses published it & this could not be the case unless Moses wrote down the entire Torah.
3) The speaker then comments on Genesis 5 verse 1 to try to show that the source comes from elsewhere. In fact he is basing this on a mistranslation of the verse. The verse there should be translated as *narrative* rather than scroll. Keep in mind the word "סֵ֔פֶר" doesn't have only one translation. It can mean counting as well as narrative as the root is identical for all three words. It is only the vowelization by which the words are differentiated.
4) Concerning Numbers 21 verse 14 the speaker makes a fatal error. He mistranslates the verse. The verse there is in future tense. The word is "יֵֽאָמַ֔ר" (future) rather than "אָמַ֔ר". (past) Thus the book of the wars of the Lord had not yet been written at the time of Moses to even copy it from. Moses there is writing that this is what is going to occur in the future. If I tell you that tomorrow you are going to go to the store, does that in your mind mean that I didn't write it because tomorrow has not yet come? Yet in fact this is what the speaker in the video is claiming.
5) He then points out what Ibn Yashush says. Putting aside that I have not read what Ibn Yashush actually says and thus I cannot judge his words, the opinion presented by the speaker in the video is clearly mistaken for 2 reasons. The first reason is that Moses could have written it by knowing the future. Thus it is not problematic as to why he would list kings that didn't live yet. Isaiah does the same in listing Koresh (Cyrus) prior to his birth.
The Book of Daniel does the same in regards to entire kingdoms. Ezekiel does this as well in regard to the future kingdom of Magog. Will the speaker of this video claim that the book of Ezekiel has yet to be written since it writes of a kingdom that has yet to come about? The term for these things are referred to as "prophecy".
Secondly, the speaker points to 1st Kings as proof that the kings Moses wrote about in Genesis didn't yet live at his time. The reasoning however is faulty. Note how the kings mentioned in Genesis all reigned prior to the establishment of the kingdom of Israel. Yet Hadad whom he mentions actually first became king after the first three kings of Israel reigned. Thus the Hadad spoken of in 1st kings has to be a different Hadad than the one referred to in Genesis.
On a side note the Hadad in 1st kings is never mentioned as being a king. (though even if he was it would not matter for the purposes of this critique as it is clearly not the same Hadad as mentioned in Genesis as I have already proved)
In regard to Mihaytavail the maker of this video speaks gibberish. He simply invents a story. In fact Mihaytavail was the wife of Hadar (not Hadad) and this has nothing to do with 1st Kings as neither Hadar nor Mihaytavail are mentioned in 1st kings. It is Tachpihnayss who is mentioned there as the sister of the woman given to Hadad as a wife but never mentions her name.
5) He then speaks about Ibn Ezra claiming that he was the first to claim that the last 8 verses in Deut were not written by Moses. This is actually quite laughable as the Talmud (which preceded Ibn Ezra by more than 700 years) writes this very idea actually quoting people who lived more than 1200 years prior to Ibn Ezra.
6a) The fact that the verse says "is it not in Rabbah of the children of Ammon?" is not problematic because just because it was not taken over by the children of Israel till later doesn't show that it was not there in the time of Moses. The only question you might have is how would Moses have known this. That is not an issue either. God told him. After all, God is the author.
6b) Deut chapter 1 verse 1 is not problematic because the words *other side of the Jordan* are misunderstood by the speaker to be a verb when in fact it is a noun. The verse is actually telling us the name of the place as "עֵ֖בֶר הַיַּרְדֵּ֑ן" rather than that it was on the other side of the Jordan. While it is true that "עֵ֖בֶר הַיַּרְדֵּ֑ן" is located on the other side of the Jordan from the land of Canaan, this is irrelevant in that it doesn't change the fact that "עֵ֖בֶר הַיַּרְדֵּ֑ן" is still a noun. It is akin to a person being named Rose. The fact that a rose is a flower doesn't change the fact that her name is still Rose.
7) Wellhausen was clearly not well versed in Talmud and thus fell into a trap of his own ignorance. He was also quite foolish. His ideas of using different words for the same ideas showing different authors is preposterous to say the least. It is like saying that if I call the game of baseball "america's sport" it can't mean baseball because the word I used is different. He fails to take into account that each of the words Scripture uses has a particular meaning which defines the place or the being and the fact that they are used differently in no way implies that it is talking about different things.
8) He then appeals to the idea that Prophetic revelation can't be taken into account when reviewing Scripture. This is a fallacy in itself as it is without any basis. In fact this underlies the fallacy of the entire way of thinking of the speaker. He presupposes something and then bases his entire argument on the presupposition. This is known as a straw man. & the speaker here freely admits his guilt in this regard.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moses-mendelssohn
The info below Moses is just a little of what I found, it gives you a good bit of TRUTH but leaves out a TON OF TRUTH .... I will leave an F.Y.I. it will have the left out info about THE REAL MOSES !
Moses Mendelssohn ...... He was the son of a Torah scribe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He began a traditional Jewish education under David Fraenkel, the rabbi of Dessau. When Fraenkel became rabbi of Berlin, the 14-year-old Mendelssohn followed him and studied in Fraenkel’s yeshiva in Berlin. He soon became a promising scholar of Talmud and Rabbinics. He is a relative of Samson Raphael Hirsch
In addition to learning German and Hebrew in Berlin, Mendelssohn also studied some French, Italian, English, Latin and Greek. He took up other secular subjects, in which he excelled, including mathematics, logic and philosophy. In the mid-1750s, he developed friendships with the philosopher Immanuel Kant and also with Gotthold Lessing, a dramatist, literary critic and advocate of enlightened toleration in Germany.
Mendelssohn began to serve as a teacher in the house of Isaac Bernhard, the owner of a silk factory. That same year, Frederick the Great gave him the status of "Jew under extraordinary protection." In 1763, the Prussian Academy of Sciences awarded him a prize for his treatise on "evidence in the metaphysical sciences." Four years later, he became the bookkeeper of Bernhard’s firm and eventually a partner. Throughout his life, he worked as a merchant while continuing to write.
He wrote some general philosophical works, including many dealing with the theory of art, but his most well known writings deal with Judaism. Mendelssohn conceived of God as a perfect Being and had faith in God’s wisdom, righteousness, mercy and goodness. He argued that, "the world results from a creative act through which the divine will seeks to realize the highest good." He accepted the existence of miracles and revelation as long as belief in God did not depend on them. He also believed that revelation could not contradict reason. Like the deists, he claimed that reason could discover the reality of God, divine providence and immortality of the soul. He was the first to speak out against the use of excommunication as a religious threat.At the height of his career, in 1769, Mendelssohn was publicly challenged by a Christian apologist, a Zurich pastor named John Lavater, to defend the superiority of Judaism over Christianity.
From then on, he was involved in defending Judaism in print. In 1783, he published Jerusalem, or On Religious Power and Judaism. This study posited that no religious institution should use coercion and emphasized that Judaism does not coerce the mind through dogma. He argued that through reason all people could discover religious philosophical truths, but what made Judaism unique was its divinely revealed code of legal, ritual and moral law. He said that Jews must live in civil society but only in a way that their right to observe religious laws is granted. He recognized the necessity of multiple religions and respected each one.
Mendelssohn wanted to take the Jews out of a ghetto lifestyle and into secular society. He translated the Bible into German, although it was written in Hebrew letters, with a Hebrew commentary called the Biur. He campaigned for emancipation and instructed Jews to form bonds with the gentile governments. He tried to improve the relationship between Jews and Christians as he argued for tolerance and humanity. He became the symbol of the Jewish Enlightenment, the Haskalah.
Mendelssohn's own descendents, the most famous being the composer Felix Mendelssohn, left Judaism for Christianity.
F.Y.I.
Moses's true name was "Masheh" he did not write the Torah ... not one bit. The Torah was pieced together by many other books of that era and older. One of the many things the church does not teach about Masheh and our ancestors in the wilderness for 40 years, is that when Masheh came down from the mountain, and was angered by what he witnessed our ancestors doing with the golden calf, resulted in Masheh breaking the tablets. But in actuality how he broke the tablets is by way of not striking the golden calf in a fit of rage, but by grinding chunks of the gold down to a fine white powder, and then mixing the white powder in water and making or forcing the lost sheep to drink it. This white powder was known as Monatomic Gold a highly spiritual powder and The Purists from of Gold, and in it's rawest form it is said that you can put a pile of monatomic gold ... 12 inches high on a table, and that entire pile will disappear and reappear in and out of our realm or reality ... into the spiritual Realm, you can't witness it with your naked eye but if you record it and slow it down 10,000 x / frame you can Witness the size of the pile start to change. Monatomic is a positively charged powder, it cannot exist around negative aspects of life, so it has to leave our Realm and tap into the spiritual realm for a recharge, this also amplifies the pineal gland for a far much far more powerful connection ... from your pineal gland to the father .. Moses knew this and that's why h.e broke the tablets ... he was trying to right the wrongs done by his brother Aaron and the freed slaves of Egypt.
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Would be quite interesting if evidence was shared to support the opinion whether Moses did not exist? Other than that,good video with reliable sources. Thanks for your effort.
how hard is it to write in the same style as someone else
Depends on how heavy the hammer is.
The whole contention is silly to begin with. According to Jewish tradition it was dictated by the Divine. That said, writing style is immaterial.
This entire question is 99% loaded question fallacy. For example, anyone can look up reuel vs jethro debate to ginf some real answers, but to simply mention it and give no answer is meant to imply these are unresolved bible questions.
Channel is largely a waste of time.
Moses and his people were all native speakers of the Egyptian language and know no other. So Moses , and all future copyists scribes, would of needs, have written the entirety in Egyptian, not the language and alphabet of the Philistines.
since the exodus is post the abrahamic revelation, the seeds of an isralite or at least abrahamic/yahweic nation could mean the Israelites in captivity could mantain their own culture, it would certainly make sense of the exodus because they were trusting the God of their ancestors, whom they would needed to have known.
though I doubt the Israelites were ever enslaved in Egypt in the first place 😏
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moses-mendelssohn
The info below Moses is just a little of what I found, it gives you a good bit of TRUTH but leaves out a TON OF TRUTH .... I will leave an F.Y.I. it will have the left out info about THE REAL MOSES !
Moses Mendelssohn ...... He was the son of a Torah scribe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He began a traditional Jewish education under David Fraenkel, the rabbi of Dessau. When Fraenkel became rabbi of Berlin, the 14-year-old Mendelssohn followed him and studied in Fraenkel’s yeshiva in Berlin. He soon became a promising scholar of Talmud and Rabbinics. He is a relative of Samson Raphael Hirsch
In addition to learning German and Hebrew in Berlin, Mendelssohn also studied some French, Italian, English, Latin and Greek. He took up other secular subjects, in which he excelled, including mathematics, logic and philosophy. In the mid-1750s, he developed friendships with the philosopher Immanuel Kant and also with Gotthold Lessing, a dramatist, literary critic and advocate of enlightened toleration in Germany.
Mendelssohn began to serve as a teacher in the house of Isaac Bernhard, the owner of a silk factory. That same year, Frederick the Great gave him the status of "Jew under extraordinary protection." In 1763, the Prussian Academy of Sciences awarded him a prize for his treatise on "evidence in the metaphysical sciences." Four years later, he became the bookkeeper of Bernhard’s firm and eventually a partner. Throughout his life, he worked as a merchant while continuing to write.
He wrote some general philosophical works, including many dealing with the theory of art, but his most well known writings deal with Judaism. Mendelssohn conceived of God as a perfect Being and had faith in God’s wisdom, righteousness, mercy and goodness. He argued that, "the world results from a creative act through which the divine will seeks to realize the highest good." He accepted the existence of miracles and revelation as long as belief in God did not depend on them. He also believed that revelation could not contradict reason. Like the deists, he claimed that reason could discover the reality of God, divine providence and immortality of the soul. He was the first to speak out against the use of excommunication as a religious threat.At the height of his career, in 1769, Mendelssohn was publicly challenged by a Christian apologist, a Zurich pastor named John Lavater, to defend the superiority of Judaism over Christianity.
From then on, he was involved in defending Judaism in print. In 1783, he published Jerusalem, or On Religious Power and Judaism. This study posited that no religious institution should use coercion and emphasized that Judaism does not coerce the mind through dogma. He argued that through reason all people could discover religious philosophical truths, but what made Judaism unique was its divinely revealed code of legal, ritual and moral law. He said that Jews must live in civil society but only in a way that their right to observe religious laws is granted. He recognized the necessity of multiple religions and respected each one.
Mendelssohn wanted to take the Jews out of a ghetto lifestyle and into secular society. He translated the Bible into German, although it was written in Hebrew letters, with a Hebrew commentary called the Biur. He campaigned for emancipation and instructed Jews to form bonds with the gentile governments. He tried to improve the relationship between Jews and Christians as he argued for tolerance and humanity. He became the symbol of the Jewish Enlightenment, the Haskalah.
Mendelssohn's own descendents, the most famous being the composer Felix Mendelssohn, left Judaism for Christianity.
F.Y.I.
Moses's true name was "Masheh" he did not write the Torah ... not one bit. The Torah was pieced together by many other books of that era and older. One of the many things the church does not teach about Masheh and our ancestors in the wilderness for 40 years, is that when Masheh came down from the mountain, and was angered by what he witnessed our ancestors doing with the golden calf, resulted in Masheh breaking the tablets. But in actuality how he broke the tablets is by way of not striking the golden calf in a fit of rage, but by grinding chunks of the gold down to a fine white powder, and then mixing the white powder in water and making or forcing the lost sheep to drink it. This white powder was known as Monatomic Gold a highly spiritual powder and The Purists from of Gold, and in it's rawest form it is said that you can put a pile of monatomic gold ... 12 inches high on a table, and that entire pile will disappear and reappear in and out of our realm or reality ... into the spiritual Realm, you can't witness it with your naked eye but if you record it and slow it down 10,000 x / frame you can Witness the size of the pile start to change. Monatomic is a positively charged powder, it cannot exist around negative aspects of life, so it has to leave our Realm and tap into the spiritual realm for a recharge, this also amplifies the pineal gland for a far much far more powerful connection ... from your pineal gland to the father .. Moses knew this and that's why h.e broke the tablets ... he was trying to right the wrongs done by his brother Aaron and the freed slaves of Egypt.
Moses is the author of the first five books of the Torah. If you're not sure, watch both of the following movies.
Patterns of Evidence: The Moses Controversy - by Tim Mahoney.
As well as:
Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus - by Tim Mahoney.
The majority of the first five books were written down by Moses himself.
Genesis was most probably a re writing, from older text.
( Overseen and advised By the God of the Bible in Heaven)
Bible scholars have always used more modern cities for contemporary location names, so the reader knew where these places were.
DEU 3:11 Moses, like many at that time, could have known about King Og.
The first one of your Biblical citations that I checked myself was:
Deu 1:1 it is worded very different in the King James, as apposed to what you had posted.
Thus eliminating this particular problem at least.
Deu 1:1 "These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea, between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab". - KJV
As for Julius Wellhausen and his "Documentary hypothesis" it is only a proposed explanation.
It was thought that God's laws for the Hebrews were far to complex for it's time.
Thus it must not be what and when, as it is stated.
However the earliest example of a written legal code-one that predated but bore striking parallels to the laws outlined in the Hebrew Old Testament.
Hammurabi's code, composed c. 1755-1750 BC.
The point being, there are many serious academic publications, both against and for the writings of Moses, as in the majority of the first five books actually being penned by Moses himself. ( Overseen and advised By the God of the Bible in Heaven)
Next you will be telling us the Walrus does not exist, but I contend that I am he as you are he as you are me
And we are all together.
The Beatles dont get enough credit
( ( Allah ) ) said : " O Moses ! I have chosen thee above ( other ) men , by the mission I ( have given thee ) and the words I ( have spoken to thee ) : take then the ( revelation ) which I give thee , and be of those who give thanks . And We ordained laws for him in the tablets in all matters , both commanding and explaining all things , ( and said ) : " Take and hold these with firmness , and enjoin thy people to hold fast by the best in the precepts : soon shall I show you the homes of the wicked , - ( How they lie desolate ) . ("Surah-Al Araf) Al Quran..... Al Quran.... .. Allah(God/Yahweh/Elohim )j
Your Hebrew God really loves punishing people doesn't he? I'm sorry but you're ancient old text was written by Angry old men. That's blatantly obvious to anybody except an angry old man.
We could did deeper... "Did Jesus exist"... well, this depends entirely on how you define Jesus... because if Jesus was an itinerant rabbi, who told stories, gave advice and developed a following of people who related, and over time exaggerated his stories, and stories about him until it seemed as tho he was larger than life... then Jesus, or a collection of people who inspired stories making up a composite person quite possible did exist.... but if you define Jesus as a supernatural being who healed the sick, turned water into wine, fed the 5000 and then ascended bodily into heaven.. then no, that's also fiction.
The rabbis did not really exist until after the temple was destroyed. A clue in addition to all the others that the gospels were written after the temple had been destroyed and by Greek speaking non Israelites. On the basis that historians Philo living in Jerusalem did not write of Jesus and neither did Justace of Tiberius in Galilee, both living at the time of Jesus, and that Nazareth may not have existed then makes me doubt that "Jesus" was a historical figure at all. The only non biblical references are by Roman writers a century later and even then only states what Christians believed. The only other reference is in Josephus in a passage that is a forgery and even he is decades after the alleged events.
@@PeterGregoryKelly I fall mostly on the mythicist side of the Jesus debate but I find that people more easily deal with the 'It may have been based on a few people who were exaggerated and deified over time, but who were not magical in themselves' than the 'it's all myth' argument.... At least initially.
The documentary hypothesis has been shown to be not true by archaeology.
1.The worlds oldest alphabets are not from Phoenicia like previously thought, but found in the Sinai, and dated from the time Moses and the people of Israel would have been on the Exodus (proto-Sinaitic/Hebrew). "
2. It is widely known among Orthodox Jews who read the Mishna (written 10-220 AD) and the Talmud (70-520 CE) that the last 8 verses of Deuteronomy were written by Joshua, and the whole Torah was recompiled by Ezra in the 2nd Temple period. The creators of the documentary hypothesis formed this by using logical Western European models instead of Jewish culture/Archaeology/ and historical sources from Rabbi's. Traditional Judaism has 70 names for G-d, they describe his attributes, much like we can call a king a ruler, head of state, monarch etc.
Moses was an interesting construct.
A quest for historical Moses...
I think having as goal to disprove something it's easy to find problems as much as it is if you do the opposite, the only blocking is imagination. If you use your imagination to find solutions to every problematic points you will solve them all, but if it's not your goal you won't find any. Exemple, I use different names for the name of my district because it has two different juridiction, same thing as for the name of my nation in different languages, remember that the Jews of the exodus were a multitude of nations. The map of Israel could have been drawn as a sketch and they just fit it on a redrawn map with the territory they got. The multiple reproducer of my biography and their mistakes wrote from pieces of decaying papyrus to new papers does not indicate my inexistence. The absence of proof never indicate a proof, in the case of the missing archeological found of the exoded group from Egypt to Jerusalem. The terrain to cover is just way to huge to fall on pieces of evidence. As Karl Popper said, in order to not practice a pseudo science you have to disprove and not to proof your theory.
Yes
isn't the first problem the huge plot hole that the Torah continues after he dies
It may have been Hymie Horawitz according to Mrs. Horawitz. But we all know that moisheh wrote it.
As this channel is called the Milwaukee Athiest’s, and the subject matter is “Did Moses write the Torah?” I really don’t think it worth watching 10:52 video that just says No!
All the sources cited are Jewish and Christian
Milwaukee Atheists I don’t doubt they were, but my point is, a group of Athiest’s are hardly going to ask “Did Moses write the Torah?” and say “Yes he did”. Whether you are a Christian. Muslim, Jew or Athiest channel, everyone tends to produce an answer which supports their own particular bias! Your sources may be Jewish and Christian, but there’s plenty of people who live in a Christian country who call themselves secular Christians just as there’s plenty of people who live in Israel who call themselves secular Jews. It’s really the same situation you get when you read a history book, because history is written by the winners!
You didn’t say anything. Anyone can be a doubter
Well, it actually makes perfect sense for Moses to write about events after his death because he is a prophet and thus he would be extremely useless at his job if he couldn't tell the future.
If anything this whole debate shows how little people who accuse atheists and "glorify God," actually believe in what they say, otherwise this would be a non-issue. They just like using the Bible to condemn others, while obeying none of the laws or teachings they can't co-opt into a political issue they happen to care about at the moment.
Just make sure you take the trash out and do your homework before you go outside and play
The Moses Controversy (Did Moses Write the First 5 Books Of The Bible)
Yet Moses couldnt read
I think a lot of it has been plagiarised, as the stories can be found in Egyptian books and religions. So you can call it the holiest of holiest but it's not it's basically a collection of stories from the region in that time.There is no evidence that Moses ever existed, so yes, you have got the facts correct.
Ah, but you have to give a grudging admiration to the con-men that came up with this one, there are elements in every myth that have a basis in reality. I consider "Moses" to be the first documented example of social engineering (Numbers 32:13). Take a group of people and isolate them for three generations, teaching them exactly what you want them to believe. Thousands of years later, those teachings still hold sway with great effect...
funny how many were dying in compromising situations, wonder what the ground swallowing people due to Gods anger actually was. maybe they had a pit where they threw them lol
Does not make sense. 40 years is not long enough to make sure "all the generation" were gone. Why? Maths. Even with the lower life expectancy not all of the 2 - 3 million Israelites (600,000 men over 20 capable of military service) would be gone within 40 years. At an archaeological site in Turkey recovering skeletons 1 in 100 were over 50. The odds are astronomically long that all 2 - 3 million would be dead. An yet we are also to believe that Moses lived to 120. Everyone died young except one super centenarian. Talk about an out layer on a chart. Only 1 human in modern times out of billions has lived to over 120. All dead in 40 years except God's pet who lives to 120. Total absolute mathematical nonsense.
If the Israelites were so "disobedient" why did they follow God's order to wander around on a fruitless march for 40 years? 40 is a number that echoes over again and again through the bible. 40 this, 40 that, 40 days, 40 nights, Noah's flood, Jesus in the desert. 40, 40 40.
I think your "social engineering" hypothesis is more complicated than just a story. Besides where did they go in 40 years? To China? To the Americas? The number "40" is suspicious just like the number "12". The use of "40" in a story rules against its veracity.
Moses was raised in Egypt and would have spoken Egyptian - and there is no proof that he even exists. The year that he was supposed to have left Egypt - UHHH Egypt controlled the "promised land" - so they escaped Egypt into Egypt? Egypt has no record of him. And Yahweh is just one of the Elohim - translated as God - butt Elohim is plural - meaning "the powerful ones". What language was Moses writing in? Speaking in? What language was "god" speaking?
If Moses existed, it would have been about 500 years before the Hebrew alphabet was invented, so no, he didn't write the Torah.
And the oldest bibles we have dated about a 1000 years after his life.. There is nothing here that we have that is old enough to be written by him or copied from him
I didn't hear You mention the advantages Moses would have had because He was taken into to the ruling class of Egypt ... Moses had access to the Libraries of Egypt which contain all sorts of knowledge which had been confiscated and kept through the ages He was highly educated in various languages geography history as well as any information brought into Egypt by the Israelites ... Also the Egyptian knew every surrounding them and would have known the areas of Israel that You mentioned ... He would have been trained in the art of war ... He was not only spared as a Child but taken into the lifestyle He was raised in so He would have the Knowledge and ability to be a Great leader and to accomplish the Great things God had in store for His people ... And as for the discripincies regarding name the New Testiments People are often mentioned by two different name Paul / Saul for example and some were called one name but their sur name was also mentioned ...
You can't prove he didn't and I can't prove he did ... But much of the Bible has been found to be historically True archeology has proved that much ... So untill they can prove it which they still may as there is so much history of this world to be discovered I'm going to error on the side of caution ...
@BMore Wow You haven't done Your homework ... So no need to continue the lesson You probably didn't even read my entire post
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moses-mendelssohn
The info below Moses is just a little of what I found, it gives you a good bit of TRUTH but leaves out a TON OF TRUTH .... I will leave an F.Y.I. it will have the left out info about THE REAL MOSES !
Moses Mendelssohn ...... He was the son of a Torah scribe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He began a traditional Jewish education under David Fraenkel, the rabbi of Dessau. When Fraenkel became rabbi of Berlin, the 14-year-old Mendelssohn followed him and studied in Fraenkel’s yeshiva in Berlin. He soon became a promising scholar of Talmud and Rabbinics. He is a relative of Samson Raphael Hirsch
In addition to learning German and Hebrew in Berlin, Mendelssohn also studied some French, Italian, English, Latin and Greek. He took up other secular subjects, in which he excelled, including mathematics, logic and philosophy. In the mid-1750s, he developed friendships with the philosopher Immanuel Kant and also with Gotthold Lessing, a dramatist, literary critic and advocate of enlightened toleration in Germany.
Mendelssohn began to serve as a teacher in the house of Isaac Bernhard, the owner of a silk factory. That same year, Frederick the Great gave him the status of "Jew under extraordinary protection." In 1763, the Prussian Academy of Sciences awarded him a prize for his treatise on "evidence in the metaphysical sciences." Four years later, he became the bookkeeper of Bernhard’s firm and eventually a partner. Throughout his life, he worked as a merchant while continuing to write.
He wrote some general philosophical works, including many dealing with the theory of art, but his most well known writings deal with Judaism. Mendelssohn conceived of God as a perfect Being and had faith in God’s wisdom, righteousness, mercy and goodness. He argued that, "the world results from a creative act through which the divine will seeks to realize the highest good." He accepted the existence of miracles and revelation as long as belief in God did not depend on them. He also believed that revelation could not contradict reason. Like the deists, he claimed that reason could discover the reality of God, divine providence and immortality of the soul. He was the first to speak out against the use of excommunication as a religious threat.At the height of his career, in 1769, Mendelssohn was publicly challenged by a Christian apologist, a Zurich pastor named John Lavater, to defend the superiority of Judaism over Christianity.
From then on, he was involved in defending Judaism in print. In 1783, he published Jerusalem, or On Religious Power and Judaism. This study posited that no religious institution should use coercion and emphasized that Judaism does not coerce the mind through dogma. He argued that through reason all people could discover religious philosophical truths, but what made Judaism unique was its divinely revealed code of legal, ritual and moral law. He said that Jews must live in civil society but only in a way that their right to observe religious laws is granted. He recognized the necessity of multiple religions and respected each one.
Mendelssohn wanted to take the Jews out of a ghetto lifestyle and into secular society. He translated the Bible into German, although it was written in Hebrew letters, with a Hebrew commentary called the Biur. He campaigned for emancipation and instructed Jews to form bonds with the gentile governments. He tried to improve the relationship between Jews and Christians as he argued for tolerance and humanity. He became the symbol of the Jewish Enlightenment, the Haskalah.
Mendelssohn's own descendents, the most famous being the composer Felix Mendelssohn, left Judaism for Christianity.
F.Y.I.
Moses's true name was "Masheh" he did not write the Torah ... not one bit. The Torah was pieced together by many other books of that era and older. One of the many things the church does not teach about Masheh and our ancestors in the wilderness for 40 years, is that when Masheh came down from the mountain, and was angered by what he witnessed our ancestors doing with the golden calf, resulted in Masheh breaking the tablets. But in actuality how he broke the tablets is by way of not striking the golden calf in a fit of rage, but by grinding chunks of the gold down to a fine white powder, and then mixing the white powder in water and making or forcing the lost sheep to drink it. This white powder was known as Monatomic Gold a highly spiritual powder and The Purists from of Gold, and in it's rawest form it is said that you can put a pile of monatomic gold ... 12 inches high on a table, and that entire pile will disappear and reappear in and out of our realm or reality ... into the spiritual Realm, you can't witness it with your naked eye but if you record it and slow it down 10,000 x / frame you can Witness the size of the pile start to change. Monatomic is a positively charged powder, it cannot exist around negative aspects of life, so it has to leave our Realm and tap into the spiritual realm for a recharge, this also amplifies the pineal gland for a far much far more powerful connection ... from your pineal gland to the father .. Moses knew this and that's why h.e broke the tablets ... he was trying to right the wrongs done by his brother Aaron and the freed slaves of Egypt.
I am not denying the fact that the Torah states "This is the Torah that Moses set before the people of Israel, by the mouth of god, through the hand of Moses". Reality is that the Torah states this.
Moses was a fictional character as was Cinderella. The fact that the "Torah" also has the stories known of other religions prior to Judaism, doesn't change the fact it is a copy cat religion as well.
No debate here whether or not it states that in the Torah, the fact is, is nothing more than a copy cat religion.
Deuteronomy 4:44: This is the law that Moses set before the Israelite's doesn't convince me it is true, only realizing that it states it in the Torah.
Numbers 9:32 At the command of the lord they rested in the tents, at the command of the lord they journeyed: They kept the charge of the lord, the commandment of the lord by the hand of Moses.
Sorry but these two verses are not convincing whatsoever. The word "Lord" predates Judaism BTW.
In those ancient days, every kingdom had Lords and lordessess, kings and queensesses, dukes and dukessesses, str8's and gayssesses.
The kings and queens commanded the Lords and the Lords commanded the people by the kings and queens command. str8's commanded the str8's and also interacted with the effeminate or possibly actually gay. Gay people are not the product of today's world as we know it, it is something just as old as as the beginning the first human beings.
In those days young pubescent boys were hand picked, obeyed their orders and were sometimes dressed as young girls to fulfill the Kings, Lords, dukes etc sexual impulses and fantasies. It was in no way uncommon.
Also, female roles in public plays and concerts were also performed by "men" dressed as females. All 1st. 2nd soprano parts were performed by men as well as all the alto parts.
Is there a country or possibly a large town where dumb and stupid people go and study religion without history? There must be. That country must be very, very large. An invisible country only to those who think with true knowledge and wisdom and critical thinking. Religious people (from gods to ministers to the flocks of dumb asses) do not use critical thinking however are slaves to religion by natural selection.
Deuteronomy 4;44.And this is the law which Moses set before the children of Israel: 45.these are the testimonies, and the statutes, and the ordinances, which **Moses spake unto the children of Israel, when they came forth out of Egypt, This is talking about the ten commandments. Not the whole Torah. In verse 5 he repeats a verso of the ten commandments/. Where does the Torah say Moses wrote it. ?
Question doesn't arise because the man named Moses never existed.
Its MUSA ALAHYI SALLAM... not mOsEs
Look up Gmirkin's theory it was written in the third century BC in Alexandria, pretty convincing.
Read it. Seems like bs. Takes a lot of mental gymanstics to believe Jews would adapt to this new belief so fast. Not to mention that the alleged parallels are vague as hell. Also it is impossible, there is not a SINGLE greek loanword in the Pentetauch. Book of Daniel for example which majority of scholars actually date to 2nd century BC has greek loan words. I am supposed to believe that these bilingual jews were going through Plato's words and not a single loan word appeared? Yeah, that is bullshit. Suplementary hypothesis makes so much more sense.
Check out Richard Elliott Friedman's new book "The Exodus." He was a source for this video. He has a very exciting story of the exodus. He suggests that if Moses existed, he was probably Egyptian.
I doubt it. He was found in a basket among the reeds, just like Sargon of Akkad in Sumeria. A strong hint that the stories in the Torah are all other older epics re-jigged. A bit like the "Magnificent Seven" is re-jigged from the Japanese cult movie "Seven Samurais" or the "Lion King" is re-jigged from "Kimba the White Lion".
The "story" says he was found in a basket among the reeds, and that story only comes from one of the four JEPD authors of the Torah.
Were earlier myths drawn on to write the Torah stories? That certainly seems logical. Friedman's story is world-changing. There was no mass exodus, but, he claims, there was a small exodus of people who became the Levites, the priest class, after they forcibly integrated themselves into the nation of Israel. The DNA evidence supports his theory.
If you have the slightest bit of interest in this part of biblical history, I can't recommend his book enough.
It's more likely that monotheism came to the Israelites much latter than any exodus, borrowed from the Persians.
How can you know it's "more likely" without first seeing what evidence Friedman presents?
Because they watched a video.
Such foolishness. Answer me this.
Why has the Lord ever needed an intermediary in order to communicate with humanity?
John~
American Net'Zen
because most humas are sinful and God wont reveal himself to sinful.God knows God cant trust on them so God chose them.
Thanos wrote the Torah.
People at that time thought he was not bad enough, so they invented Moses, inspired in Thanos.
No one even questions why Moses would talk about himself in third person rather than just saying I ?
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moses-mendelssohn
The info below Moses is just a little of what I found, it gives you a good bit of TRUTH but leaves out a TON OF TRUTH .... I will leave an F.Y.I. it will have the left out info about THE REAL MOSES !
Moses Mendelssohn ...... He was the son of a Torah scribe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He began a traditional Jewish education under David Fraenkel, the rabbi of Dessau. When Fraenkel became rabbi of Berlin, the 14-year-old Mendelssohn followed him and studied in Fraenkel’s yeshiva in Berlin. He soon became a promising scholar of Talmud and Rabbinics. He is a relative of Samson Raphael Hirsch
In addition to learning German and Hebrew in Berlin, Mendelssohn also studied some French, Italian, English, Latin and Greek. He took up other secular subjects, in which he excelled, including mathematics, logic and philosophy. In the mid-1750s, he developed friendships with the philosopher Immanuel Kant and also with Gotthold Lessing, a dramatist, literary critic and advocate of enlightened toleration in Germany.
Mendelssohn began to serve as a teacher in the house of Isaac Bernhard, the owner of a silk factory. That same year, Frederick the Great gave him the status of "Jew under extraordinary protection." In 1763, the Prussian Academy of Sciences awarded him a prize for his treatise on "evidence in the metaphysical sciences." Four years later, he became the bookkeeper of Bernhard’s firm and eventually a partner. Throughout his life, he worked as a merchant while continuing to write.
He wrote some general philosophical works, including many dealing with the theory of art, but his most well known writings deal with Judaism. Mendelssohn conceived of God as a perfect Being and had faith in God’s wisdom, righteousness, mercy and goodness. He argued that, "the world results from a creative act through which the divine will seeks to realize the highest good." He accepted the existence of miracles and revelation as long as belief in God did not depend on them. He also believed that revelation could not contradict reason. Like the deists, he claimed that reason could discover the reality of God, divine providence and immortality of the soul. He was the first to speak out against the use of excommunication as a religious threat.At the height of his career, in 1769, Mendelssohn was publicly challenged by a Christian apologist, a Zurich pastor named John Lavater, to defend the superiority of Judaism over Christianity.
From then on, he was involved in defending Judaism in print. In 1783, he published Jerusalem, or On Religious Power and Judaism. This study posited that no religious institution should use coercion and emphasized that Judaism does not coerce the mind through dogma. He argued that through reason all people could discover religious philosophical truths, but what made Judaism unique was its divinely revealed code of legal, ritual and moral law. He said that Jews must live in civil society but only in a way that their right to observe religious laws is granted. He recognized the necessity of multiple religions and respected each one.
Mendelssohn wanted to take the Jews out of a ghetto lifestyle and into secular society. He translated the Bible into German, although it was written in Hebrew letters, with a Hebrew commentary called the Biur. He campaigned for emancipation and instructed Jews to form bonds with the gentile governments. He tried to improve the relationship between Jews and Christians as he argued for tolerance and humanity. He became the symbol of the Jewish Enlightenment, the Haskalah.
Mendelssohn's own descendents, the most famous being the composer Felix Mendelssohn, left Judaism for Christianity.
F.Y.I.
Moses's true name was "Masheh" he did not write the Torah ... not one bit. The Torah was pieced together by many other books of that era and older. One of the many things the church does not teach about Masheh and our ancestors in the wilderness for 40 years, is that when Masheh came down from the mountain, and was angered by what he witnessed our ancestors doing with the golden calf, resulted in Masheh breaking the tablets. But in actuality how he broke the tablets is by way of not striking the golden calf in a fit of rage, but by grinding chunks of the gold down to a fine white powder, and then mixing the white powder in water and making or forcing the lost sheep to drink it. This white powder was known as Monatomic Gold a highly spiritual powder and The Purists from of Gold, and in it's rawest form it is said that you can put a pile of monatomic gold ... 12 inches high on a table, and that entire pile will disappear and reappear in and out of our realm or reality ... into the spiritual Realm, you can't witness it with your naked eye but if you record it and slow it down 10,000 x / frame you can Witness the size of the pile start to change. Monatomic is a positively charged powder, it cannot exist around negative aspects of life, so it has to leave our Realm and tap into the spiritual realm for a recharge, this also amplifies the pineal gland for a far much far more powerful connection ... from your pineal gland to the father .. Moses knew this and that's why h.e broke the tablets ... he was trying to right the wrongs done by his brother Aaron and the freed slaves of Egypt.
Today it is pretty hard to discover or to get to know the real truth of things in the histories of religions, because from generations to generations, from practices to practices, from traditions to traditions and from cultures to cultures things and stories drastically would have changed. We know that there are real basics truth of them, but the best thing to compromise and to care much is our environments today. Take good care of our environments and we can live happily ever after. Look at the evening sky everyday for a few minutes, the true Loving God is with all of us. The Devil was and is the one who making messes among us, making people worry everyday. We all know the Good and the Bad, so take the Good...and be aware of The Devil. Thank you.
hey man are you confuse about bibel..torah is world for allah.not book.musa did write nothing.whiteman write bilbl
What?
Poor atheists, still struggling with God issues, nevermind, happy Xmas, happy Lupercalia/ Valentine's day,happy Halloween, and don't forget to go to yoga courses to a wake up the kundallini the snake to achieve moksha! Happy mind stress atheists!
The most revealing part of this video comes towards the very end... the more accepted view by scholars and historians that Moses was fictional character. Strange as it may seem...most do not even get the ramifications of that particular theory. If indeed Moses did not exist what does that say regarding the divinity of Jesus?
Moses doesn't need to have anything to do with The life death and resurrection of Jesus. In fact most never read, cause they couldn't read anyway , much if anything about the OT until modern day invention and translations.
Zeus took the form of an eagle (Aquila constelllation) and carried Moses/Ganymede (Aquarius) to the top of a mountain (Exodus 19.3- 4). Moses is stilll alive, juist like Reuben and Moab, he is the man in Aquarius. Mo (rainy) + Ab (father).
@@truethinker221Are you really that ignorant? Its the Law of Moses is the basis for the Jewish (and Christian) religion.. Jesus was a Jew and believed Moses was a real person. So if Moses was indeed a myth Jesus was in no way some son of "god"
@@harveywabbit9541 And i thought Christians were gullible.
artificial intelligence and the creature should be interesting from 600 million years ago
Yeah he also wrote his own death.