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Crockett's Bren was actually a hard-chromed slide, I believe, not the stainless model. And as others have mentioned, his was chambered in .45 as 10mm blanks were not easy to procure in the 80s. Contrary to popular belief, he only used the Bren Ten for less than two seasons, starting the show with a Hawes import Sig P220 .45 in the pilot episode (not a Browning BDA as I used to think). By Season 3, the Bren had run its course and he switched to a Smith & Wesson 645 for S3 & S4, followed by the S&W 4506 (pre-dash) for Season 5. There are a couple one-offs during his amnesic stint as Burnett where he briefly returns to a Sig P220 (two-tone model) and very briefly uses what looks like a two-tone S&W 645 and a S&W 745 (single-action two-tone variant of the 645). Blink and you'll miss them; the prop department must have been having issues, but they definitely knew they wanted "evil Crockett" to have a two-tone gun. Suffice it to say, Sonny was a Smith man more than anything, and ironically put 10mm on the map despite never using one. Great video, always good to see these guns in action. Despite its flaws, it'll always be a grail gun for any MV fan. I've got all of Crockett's other guns, but this is one I'll probably be chasing forever.
Lucky to have one in your hands to review..so cool! From what I understand, the Miami Vice show used the .45 ACP version due to the availability of .45 blanks.
Yes, this B10 is a Standard Model, which had a blued slide out of the shop. The magazine was also blue. Hard to tell from the video, but this was either “Viced” by hard chroming or simply polished enough to have to bluing removed. I’ve owned 4, B10s and still currently have one, with 5 mags. I’m in Canada, and there was a small store in Cranbrook, BC, which brought in 5 B10s and all 5 had 2 magazines. My gun was out of that bunch that I bought in late 1984. I shoot powder puff loads, 3.6 Bullseye with a lead 175 SWC bullet. I figured I don’t want to stress or crack the frame. Tim Lafrance purchased all of D&Ds stock and I bought a couple small parts from him in San Diego years ago. My main shooter for 10mm though is my Delta Elite. The Bren Ten is more of a wall hanger.
I handled a Bren 10 and considered buying it but frankly I was not well healed enough at the time. Nice gun, with 2 10mm marked mags in the package and paperwork. When EAA brought the 10mm Witness to the states, I got one of the earliest ones to hit the states as I complained to the President of EAA and Tanfolgio about the delays. It was a great gun and I beat the tar out of it except for the 10 rnd mags that kept breaking due the wire cuts ("high capacity mag ban" mags). I suspect the Bren could take the loads that the Witness just soaked right up, the 200 at 1200 standard of the older Norma ammo. It was a lot of fun as the recoil while stout was not obnoxious. I enjoyed your comments about the 210. Not many folks have one they can show and discuss them. I call my 210-5 heavy frame the mini rifle for its accuracy but I think my older 210-6 has a better trigger.
Jeff Cooper was the "mover and shaker" behind the Bren 10, and he did, indeed, use the CZ75 as the basis for the gun. The CZ75, at the time, was pretty much unobtanium in the USA at the time as firearm imports from Czechoslovakia were generally not allowed until after Czechoslovakia got their independence in 1989.
The Bren Ten used in Miami Vice was actually a 45 ACP version. The reason for using the 45 ACP version was that 10mm movie blank cartridges were not available, but blanks were available in 45 ACP. Also, the Bren used in Miami Vice had a hard chrome finish on the carbon steel slide so as to make the pistol more visible in the many outdoor scenes that were filmed at night. The Bren only lasted for the first two seasons of the show. In the third season, the new S&W 645 was introduced, it was replaced by the 4506 for the fifth season.
When this pistol came out. Norma was making a JHP 170 grain load that was a very good self defense round. Sadly, the ammunition companies have watered down 10mm ammunition. Buffalo Boar makes true 10mm ammunition.
@@mikebott6940 Underwood and Doubletap when they first started making 10mm ammunition were really good. I was disappointed with DT first with a purchase back in 2014. The 10mm ammunition wasn’t loaded to the original version. Underwood has gone to 20 round boxes and also fell short on being loaded as the original 10mm ammunition that was in the 50 round boxes.
I remember when they came out and since Jeff Cooper gave his blessings for it, I wanted one bad, but it was not to be as they were gone so fast that I never saw one at a gun store.
It's the "CZ 1911 Hi Power". The factory loading I have seen that's closest to the original Norma ammo specs is the Sig Sauer Elite shooting 180gr. at 1250fps..
My high school buddy’s father was a major investor with the Bren he was childhood friends with one of the principals - he lost his ass. This was during the Jimmy Carter years economy & gas prices pretty bleak. Ironically his dad’s name was...Don Johnston!
I have a Tanfoglio Witness full size, another blatant copy of the CZ 75. I bought it a number of years ago in a multi-caliber kit, 9mm and .22 LR. Later, I was able to purchase a 10mm upper kit for it as well. Physically, it appears to be nearly identical to the Bren 10, except for the weird safety and the upswept design of the back of the slide. It shoots really well in 10mm. I believe the 10mm mags hold 14 rounds, as it is a double stack.
Damn Jason you had my attention until you mentioned all the issues with it bruh. My heart dropped. Although it rattles check the barrel fitment if that is tight that's all that matters... Damn good job Jason... But they made 1500 and the ending is you Jason!!!😎
The Bren Ten is nothing but a cheap full size Saturday Night Special just like the Raven Arms MP-25. The gun itself is actually made out of pot metal finished in chrome, including the pitting of these guns, and sounds like a rachet every time you shoot it. A lot of these guns weren't very reliable.
If someone ever decides to bring back the Bren Ten hopefully they will delete the swift bar safety on the slide and replace the thumb safety with a decocker
Surprised you didn't mention the "questionable" metallurgy and the casting voids (so bad that the biggest experts on Brens don't recommend you fire them....ever).Yes I got one anyway.
Hey what ammo were you using in this thing before the hollowpoints, as it sounded good, and you show the hollowpoints but not the other ammo you were using at 16:03 also that hollowpoint ammo almost seemed a little too hot for it honestly, and the norma ammo back then was a 180 grains at 1150 FPS and that hollowpoint was 170 at that, and I think they had a 165 too, which was 1500, or 1550 which gives you an idea of the spread, and why they got beat up and rattled apart, and why they need a 22 to 24 pound recoil spring for full power loads, but those first shots there had a nice noise to them, which might be a far better balance for it like it doesnt hammer it that far back, and it sounds better for it and the rule there came from the people shooting the EAA witnesses, and the 1006's FYI, that's what they had to put in for them to take the abuse, so it probably applies to the bren ten too here also with the .45 mags it makes sense that you would have problems, the things a shorter fatter round that wouldnt pop up that high with its follower, and was probably ment more for the marksman special pistols that were made in the original caliber the gun was made in, .45 so the follower probably has to be changed for it to lock in properly also in the original bren ten manual, they flat out show an EAA witness compact type pistol in 1983 as one of the baby bren ten's so try one of those when it comes to the mags also 10:41 the reason for that shake is actually reliability, if the thing is too tight it wont function right, its something you will find even on a Colt National Match from the 80's vs a modern kimber doesnt mean it wont be accurate, also yours has been modified with the slide, like its been refinished and possibly worked over abit as the metal quality was all over the place on these, Like I have the book on this, and one of the two pistols they had on vice was having failures to fire because of a Burr on the trigger spring till a smith took a look and found it to give you an idea of how rough they could be but damn if it isnt a compelling design when done right, as I think if they just had more time, better materials, and put the rails to stick out more to take less strain off the slide and the frame it would have worked and its a damn shame those Vltor boys chickened out, as all they needed to do was copy what smith and wesson did when they converted the early 4506's into the 10mm for 1990 with the 1006 and then did that change throughout the line, which made them look uglier but got the reliability down with the 10mm as they had no reason to do that with the 4506, the third gen version of the 645, as the 645 is known as a garbage dispenser, utterly reliable, and just takes everything granted its LEO single action break point is way far back, to the point where it can throw you off if you switch between pistols at the range but it really didnt need that rail change just for .45, much like the bren ten
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Crockett's Bren was actually a hard-chromed slide, I believe, not the stainless model. And as others have mentioned, his was chambered in .45 as 10mm blanks were not easy to procure in the 80s. Contrary to popular belief, he only used the Bren Ten for less than two seasons, starting the show with a Hawes import Sig P220 .45 in the pilot episode (not a Browning BDA as I used to think). By Season 3, the Bren had run its course and he switched to a Smith & Wesson 645 for S3 & S4, followed by the S&W 4506 (pre-dash) for Season 5. There are a couple one-offs during his amnesic stint as Burnett where he briefly returns to a Sig P220 (two-tone model) and very briefly uses what looks like a two-tone S&W 645 and a S&W 745 (single-action two-tone variant of the 645). Blink and you'll miss them; the prop department must have been having issues, but they definitely knew they wanted "evil Crockett" to have a two-tone gun. Suffice it to say, Sonny was a Smith man more than anything, and ironically put 10mm on the map despite never using one.
Great video, always good to see these guns in action. Despite its flaws, it'll always be a grail gun for any MV fan. I've got all of Crockett's other guns, but this is one I'll probably be chasing forever.
Thank you for the information.
Lucky to have one in your hands to review..so cool! From what I understand, the Miami Vice show used the .45 ACP version due to the availability of .45 blanks.
What until you see the video next Monday. 😉
Don Johnson did use the Bren 10 in the earlier part of the series, but it was quietly replaced with a S&W 645 in the later episodes.
Good information. Thank you so much!
Yes, this B10 is a Standard Model, which had a blued slide out of the shop. The magazine was also blue. Hard to tell from the video, but this was either “Viced” by hard chroming or simply polished enough to have to bluing removed.
I’ve owned 4, B10s and still currently have one, with 5 mags. I’m in Canada, and there was a small store in Cranbrook, BC, which brought in 5 B10s and all 5 had 2 magazines. My gun was out of that bunch that I bought in late 1984. I shoot powder puff loads, 3.6 Bullseye with a lead 175 SWC bullet. I figured I don’t want to stress or crack the frame.
Tim Lafrance purchased all of D&Ds stock and I bought a couple small parts from him in San Diego years ago. My main shooter for 10mm though is my Delta Elite. The Bren Ten is more of a wall hanger.
Thank you for this comment and thank you for this information.
Only the frames were stainless. All slides were steel. Miami Vice-style slides were just hard-chromed to be more visible during nighttime scenes.
Thanks for the information.
@@thetexasgunvault Thank you. More Bren-Ten content is always good.
Dang! You just put me in the hot tub time machine back to the 80's!!!! Miami Vice was the best!
Yes it was!
I handled a Bren 10 and considered buying it but frankly I was not well healed enough at the time. Nice gun, with 2 10mm marked mags in the package and paperwork. When EAA brought the 10mm Witness to the states, I got one of the earliest ones to hit the states as I complained to the President of EAA and Tanfolgio about the delays. It was a great gun and I beat the tar out of it except for the 10 rnd mags that kept breaking due the wire cuts ("high capacity mag ban" mags). I suspect the Bren could take the loads that the Witness just soaked right up, the 200 at 1200 standard of the older Norma ammo. It was a lot of fun as the recoil while stout was not obnoxious. I enjoyed your comments about the 210. Not many folks have one they can show and discuss them. I call my 210-5 heavy frame the mini rifle for its accuracy but I think my older 210-6 has a better trigger.
Thank you so much! I am honored enjoyed my video!
I believe Vltor tried to bring it and stopped after a small batch of prototypes for testing.
I did not know that.
Jeff Cooper was the "mover and shaker" behind the Bren 10, and he did, indeed, use the CZ75 as the basis for the gun. The CZ75, at the time, was pretty much unobtanium in the USA at the time as firearm imports from Czechoslovakia were generally not allowed until after Czechoslovakia got their independence in 1989.
Great information! Thank you for sharing!
The extractor is also similar the P210's. BTW, it's a beautiful handgun!
Yes it is and thank you very much!
The Bren Ten used in Miami Vice was actually a 45 ACP version. The reason for using the 45 ACP version was that 10mm movie blank cartridges were not available, but blanks were available in 45 ACP. Also, the Bren used in Miami Vice had a hard chrome finish on the carbon steel slide so as to make the pistol more visible in the many outdoor scenes that were filmed at night. The Bren only lasted for the first two seasons of the show. In the third season, the new S&W 645 was introduced, it was replaced by the 4506 for the fifth season.
Great information. Thank you.
Apparently even Sonny Crockett was unable to obtain magazines for his Bren Ten...
As Nash Bridges he also carried a 10mm...
@@AlanToon-fy4hg Don Johnson was using a 1911 .45 A.C.P. Two Tone type Colt Combat Elite in Nash Bridges.
I think it was using a 1911, but I I will have to double check.
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The Bren 10 was my dream gun back in the 80’s. Thanks for sharing!
You are very welcome!
When this pistol came out. Norma was making a JHP 170 grain load that was a very good self defense round.
Sadly, the ammunition companies have watered down 10mm ammunition. Buffalo Boar makes true 10mm ammunition.
I have heard that from many people. It seems very sad they will not go back to the loadings they had in the 80s.
Corbon also makes good 10mm, Underwood makes *superb* 10mm.
@@mikebott6940 Underwood and Doubletap when they first started making 10mm ammunition were really good. I was disappointed with DT first with a purchase back in 2014. The 10mm ammunition wasn’t loaded to the original version. Underwood has gone to 20 round boxes and also fell short on being loaded as the original 10mm ammunition that was in the 50 round boxes.
Love the blooper at the end!
Thank you! Many do not know I add them from time to time.
I remember when they came out and since Jeff Cooper gave his blessings for it, I wanted one bad, but it was not to be as they were gone so fast that I never saw one at a gun store.
I am sorry it was the one that got away for you.
It's the "CZ 1911 Hi Power". The factory loading I have seen that's closest to the original Norma ammo specs is the Sig Sauer Elite shooting 180gr. at 1250fps..
LOL! Exactly!
Fun gun times🎉🎉🎉
Yes it is.
It would seem that both the Bren 10 and the Delta Elite are impressively accurate. Is this the first 10mm test on your channel???
No, but I have no reviewed many.
@@thetexasgunvault Would love to see more reviews in the Best Millimeter.
Cool video chrome and stainless are so nice!
Yes they are!
My high school buddy’s father was a major investor with the Bren he was childhood friends with one of the principals - he lost his ass. This was during the Jimmy Carter years economy & gas prices pretty bleak. Ironically his dad’s name was...Don Johnston!
I am so sorry to hear that.
I have a Tanfoglio Witness full size, another blatant copy of the CZ 75. I bought it a number of years ago in a multi-caliber kit, 9mm and .22 LR. Later, I was able to purchase a 10mm upper kit for it as well. Physically, it appears to be nearly identical to the Bren 10, except for the weird safety and the upswept design of the back of the slide. It shoots really well in 10mm. I believe the 10mm mags hold 14 rounds, as it is a double stack.
You might be right about the magazine.
CZ never had a patent on the CZ 75. Why it was heavily copied.
Damn Jason you had my attention until you mentioned all the issues with it bruh. My heart dropped. Although it rattles check the barrel fitment if that is tight that's all that matters... Damn good job Jason... But they made 1500 and the ending is you Jason!!!😎
LOL! Thank you so much and I am glad you enjoyed it.
@@thetexasgunvault Always Jason, my man..!😎
I thought the pistol performed exceptionally great. Too bad the mags. Good shooting Jason
Thank you so much. This one was a really cool pistol to get to review.
The Bren Ten is nothing but a cheap full size Saturday Night Special just like the Raven Arms MP-25. The gun itself is actually made out of pot metal finished in chrome, including the pitting of these guns, and sounds like a rachet every time you shoot it. A lot of these guns weren't very reliable.
That is what I am hearing.
If someone ever decides to bring back the Bren Ten hopefully they will delete the swift bar safety on the slide and replace the thumb safety with a decocker
I agree. That would be a nice upgrade.
@@thetexasgunvaultsupposedly a company named Elite Warrior Armament said a few years back that they are working on bringing it back but… we shall see
Surprised you didn't mention the "questionable" metallurgy and the casting voids (so bad that the biggest experts on Brens don't recommend you fire them....ever).Yes I got one anyway.
I didn't know too much about that. I could tell the metallurgy wasn't the best.
To be honest
If someone has that pistol
They should know that it's a collection pice
The owner of it knows and he likes to shoot all of his guns regardless of rarity.
Bren 10 is one expensive gun,mags even so
You got that right!
How could a gun company send a pistol without a mag. What ass holes.
I agree.
I had 7 of these, total garbage
I am sorry you had that experience with them.
Hey what ammo were you using in this thing before the hollowpoints, as it sounded good, and you show the hollowpoints but not the other ammo you were using at 16:03
also that hollowpoint ammo almost seemed a little too hot for it honestly, and the norma ammo back then was a 180 grains at 1150 FPS
and that hollowpoint was 170 at that, and I think they had a 165 too, which was 1500, or 1550
which gives you an idea of the spread, and why they got beat up and rattled apart, and why they need a 22 to 24 pound recoil spring for full power loads, but those first shots there had a nice noise to them, which might be a far better balance for it
like it doesnt hammer it that far back, and it sounds better for it
and the rule there came from the people shooting the EAA witnesses, and the 1006's FYI, that's what they had to put in for them to take the abuse, so it probably applies to the bren ten too here
also with the .45 mags it makes sense that you would have problems, the things a shorter fatter round that wouldnt pop up that high with its follower, and was probably ment more for the marksman special pistols that were made in the original caliber the gun was made in, .45 so the follower probably has to be changed for it to lock in properly
also in the original bren ten manual, they flat out show an EAA witness compact type pistol in 1983 as one of the baby bren ten's so try one of those when it comes to the mags
also 10:41 the reason for that shake is actually reliability, if the thing is too tight it wont function right, its something you will find even on a Colt National Match from the 80's vs a modern kimber
doesnt mean it wont be accurate, also yours has been modified with the slide, like its been refinished and possibly worked over abit
as the metal quality was all over the place on these, Like I have the book on this, and one of the two pistols they had on vice was having failures to fire because of a Burr on the trigger spring till a smith took a look and found it to give you an idea of how rough they could be
but damn if it isnt a compelling design when done right, as I think if they just had more time, better materials, and put the rails to stick out more to take less strain off the slide and the frame
it would have worked and its a damn shame those Vltor boys chickened out, as all they needed to do was copy what smith and wesson did when they converted the early 4506's into the 10mm for 1990 with the 1006
and then did that change throughout the line, which made them look uglier but got the reliability down with the 10mm
as they had no reason to do that with the 4506, the third gen version of the 645, as the 645 is known as a garbage dispenser, utterly reliable, and just takes everything
granted its LEO single action break point is way far back, to the point where it can throw you off if you switch between pistols at the range
but it really didnt need that rail change just for .45, much like the bren ten
Thank you for all the information. I do not remember which ammo I used. Typically it is range/ball ammo loaded to typical specs.