Upgrading My TrueNAS Server Again

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  • @donoteatmikezila
    @donoteatmikezila Рік тому +146

    These kind of videos where you see a seasoned amateur "ride the lighting" and just wing it are entertaining and validating, because when you see someone else's "winging it" looks very similar to your "winging it", you feel slightly less bad about winging it.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +17

      That’s good to hear!

    • @LouisGiliberto
      @LouisGiliberto Рік тому +6

      Agree with @ALLCAPS 100%. Seeing someone go through the same things is invaluable.

  • @Bear_Cannons
    @Bear_Cannons Рік тому +14

    If you don't want to reinstall the OS when switching drives you can add the new drive to the boot pool which will mirror it so you can have redundant boot drives. But in this case once the mirror completes you can remove the flash drive boot device from the pool so it is just the SSD. Unsure if it is much of a time saver since it can take a bit for the drive to mirror.

  • @JMassengill
    @JMassengill Рік тому +39

    At least you admit you are guessing. I’ve worked with people who wouldn’t admit they were guessing and it didn’t end well. Interesting video and it’s relevant to me as I’m fixing to make a nas change myself even though I’m not a TrueNAS user.

  • @GhostieXV
    @GhostieXV Рік тому +24

    Considering you said you didn't know what your were doing I think you did a great job!

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +5

      Thanks! It’s probably an exaggeration to say I have no idea what I’m doing, but I’m definitely an amateur and likely to goof up haha

  • @travis_smartley
    @travis_smartley Рік тому +7

    Even seasoned IT Admins have to "wing it" on some things. Working in IT means you deal with a lot of issues across a myriad of system types. If you don't do something regularly, then chances are you end up having to just wing it and trust in your general experience to see you through. That and a Mastery of Google-fu

  • @Anaerin
    @Anaerin Рік тому +22

    Technically you weren't moving the pool, as you were creating a different pool with totally different layout. The (longer, slower) way to do it would be to fault the 4TB drives one at a time, replacing it with a 10TB drive, and letting the array rebuild/resilver. Then when the last drive is rebuilt, you'll get the option to expand the array to fill the new disks.

    • @halbouma6720
      @halbouma6720 Рік тому +5

      Yeah, I would still do it like in this video. Bad things happen if a fault is found on another drive as its rebuilding on a single parity drive set.

  • @gustersongusterson4120
    @gustersongusterson4120 Рік тому +8

    Fan control in Truenas (or linux in general) would be a cool video.

  • @GR8SALAD
    @GR8SALAD Рік тому +9

    Ahh, I've been binge-watching your videos since I started getting interested in setting up a NAS, since I realized it would make managing my astrophotography stuff much easier! Nice to binge watch something then immediately get a little more XD Unfortunately so far I've been massively fumbling my hardware choices. Bought a CPU then realized it didn't actually work in the board I have (thanks LGA1151), then bought an Optiplex tower that already had an 8TB drive in it. I know I'm throwing caution to the wind not doing any redundancy to start, but I'll be keeping things backed up on an external drive too. ...then I learned TrueNAS really wants ECC ram, which nothing I own is compatible with. We'll get there eventually XD

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +4

      Honestly you’ll probably be fine without ECC. It’s great to get later on, but don’t sweat too much

  • @philipdigrazia5036
    @philipdigrazia5036 Рік тому

    The steps at the end seem critical to making the whole thing work and you went through it so fast it was impossible to learn from it. Unfortunate because I need to do the exact same thing and now am left hanging. Appreciate the attempt.

  • @SNCKPCK
    @SNCKPCK Рік тому +4

    just clicked the channel to check for a new video and one uploaded 56 seconds ago! nice!

  • @scoty_does
    @scoty_does Рік тому

    I used to have an old PC for my trueNAS. I recently upgraded to a 7 drive TrueNas MINI and couldn't be happier.

  • @tigeroats913
    @tigeroats913 Рік тому +2

    I always enjoy watching Ur videos nothing over the top they're real they're chill, I hope u make a in depth tutorial on truenas scale someday like setting up jellyin and how to use it

  • @TrashPC_lol
    @TrashPC_lol Рік тому +1

    i have been watching HH before 1k subs, and i personally still think he is the most underrated tech tuber. due to his comedy, voice and overall content.
    keep being awesome bro.

  • @Noel_FGC
    @Noel_FGC Рік тому +1

    me listening to this calming voice and lofi music while playing through Doom 2016

  • @LouisGiliberto
    @LouisGiliberto Рік тому +1

    Since watching your other videos I installed TrueNAS and love it. Your other videos got me ready for what I was going to go through and helped me plan out my install. Please keep the videos coming on any and all topics.

  • @VersedPlaysTM
    @VersedPlaysTM Рік тому +1

    Another great bit of footage here. I am currently looking into a new home for my NAS as I need more drive capacity.

  • @vinceontheweb
    @vinceontheweb Рік тому +1

    yay my favorite nas-tuber uploaded

  • @tonisterasmaa1813
    @tonisterasmaa1813 Рік тому +3

    Was a good video, I'm same sort of person, who figures things out while doing, rather than heavily researching beforehand 😅
    Keep up the good work!

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому

      I try to do at least SOME research haha

    • @modaafoca
      @modaafoca Рік тому

      And do some research. And them heavy when it is not going good hahahaha | Luís Alves

  • @JorgeEscobarMX
    @JorgeEscobarMX 8 місяців тому

    I just love NAS videos.

  • @zeusde86
    @zeusde86 6 місяців тому +1

    abit late to the show, but there is a sooooooo much easier may to migrate, especially your old and new diskset have the same "layout" just with bigger disks:
    1) add the new disks to the pool with the same disk-layout as new vdev(s). so that you have e.G. one raid5 with 3+1 4T drives and another with 3+1 10T drives in the same pool
    2) when the disks have sucessfully added, mark the other, old vdev for removal. this step will take long, because zfs will now shuffle around data in the background to free up the old disks. because there is enough space left in the pool then, this will work without any hickups. zfs will auto-distribute the data to the new drives, because it is the only possible place where the data can go to. in larger arrays this will be more spread out and balanced afterwards, depending on individual fill-grade of the vdevs and such, but here it would be straight-forward.
    Swapping all disks in a pool to bigger ones AND having the physical ports needed to have all disks attached all at the same time, is the best-case-scenario for this method.
    after everything is done, the old disks can be simply removed physically.
    another way would be to explicitly replace disk-by-disk. after all disks have been replaced, your pool should auto-grow, because now there is unused space on all disks which the pool can be extended to.
    both methods work equally well, the first one is just significantly faster, as it is only a single operation. also only usable data have to be moved, not empty blocks, so this will be faster, when the disks are not full.

  • @fteoOpty64
    @fteoOpty64 Рік тому

    Love it when you just "wing" it.

  • @First_Grafter
    @First_Grafter Рік тому +8

    20TB! You must be storing a lot of memes :)

    • @gh975223
      @gh975223 Рік тому

      thats not much! my nas is made up of 12TB & 14TB & 16TB drives, looking to add 2 20xtb redundancy drives in eventually migrating the smaller capacity drives to the lager capacity then add more 20TB drives in

    • @First_Grafter
      @First_Grafter Рік тому

      @@gh975223 bruh… 20tb is a lot.
      All my drives combined are 4tb and only half is used, for people who hoard data 20tb might be normal but for the average person they'd never fill that up even if they tried

    • @gh975223
      @gh975223 Рік тому

      @@First_Grafter photographs alone is easily 4TB in jpeg format not the preferred format of NEF. if SSD were not so so so expensive i would put a few 4TB SSD in the system for just the photographs

    • @First_Grafter
      @First_Grafter Рік тому

      @@gh975223 yeah but not everyone is a photographer or even know about higher quality formats
      Like that you have that much storage is okay and pretty cool
      But it's really not what the average person has

  • @whylde7834
    @whylde7834 Рік тому +3

    Great video! The clueless homelabber in me appreciates your "guessing" heh.

  • @KeithWeston
    @KeithWeston Рік тому

    Thanks! This is an overall thanks for your content thus far. More please - when you have time.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому

      Hey thanks! And I actually just posted haha

    • @KeithWeston
      @KeithWeston Рік тому

      @@HardwareHaven so I see! Watching now.

  • @ericromo3669
    @ericromo3669 Рік тому

    ProxMox allows for containers as well as VMs....did you try adding Portainer directly in ProxMox? And Wireguard? If that works, no need for a Debian VM... Your thoughts please.

  • @John117alon1
    @John117alon1 Рік тому +1

    Appreciate the video! I’ve been wondering what I’ll do “IF” I ever run out of space on my drives!

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      Hahaha yeah I feel the same way. I can't imagine that will be anytime soon

  • @LeoLijo
    @LeoLijo Рік тому

    Great video as always

  • @David_Quinn_Photography
    @David_Quinn_Photography Рік тому

    I use that exact Icydock for my NAS its an old machine case with a Skylake CPU and some mix and match ram I added over time doing PC upgrades.

  • @anthonyrussano
    @anthonyrussano Рік тому +1

    this is a great tutorial, my nas only has two pools, 1TB each so i will have to follow this pretty soon... what was that card you installed, a pcie

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      I forgot the exact model, but you can Google SAS HBA for TrueNAS and find a lot of good resources. You’ll want something flashed with an IT mode firmware

  • @justinwhite797
    @justinwhite797 Рік тому

    What's wrong with ventoy? Sometimes it's hard to reformat and repurpose the USB afterwards but it's really nifty to have one dedicated with windows, Linux, gparted etc iso ready to go

  • @jpao36
    @jpao36 Рік тому

    What is the name of this particular case? Looks like an old ANTEC... love it for this project.

  • @therealsprint
    @therealsprint Рік тому +1

    Short question. Is true nas better as openmediavault? I run OMV but I think true nas is interesting

    • @michaelkane6797
      @michaelkane6797 Рік тому +1

      Just an observation as someone who is moving from OMV to TrueNAS Scale... one isn't necessarily "better" than the other, but TrueNAS is a better hypervisor if you want to run services beyond data storage. OMV is easier to install and do a base configuration as a NAS in my experience, although TrueNAS has more flexibility. That flexibility comes with a learning curve though, and like anything you "learn" on I've broken my installation several times. Currently I still have my OMV device in place, and if possible I would recommend experimenting with TrueNAS on another piece of hardware before wiping your existing storage solution. I'll end up with 2 servers... a TrueNAS hypervisor/Jellyfin server and my OMV box will get a storage upgrade, at which time I'll have to decide whether it stays OMV or becomes TrueNAS. I'm leaning toward keeping OMV running on it since it's a known quantity to me and TrueNAS is only recently out of beta. Good luck!

  • @Rockwolf50
    @Rockwolf50 Рік тому

    Do you have a long term plan for the 4tb drives? If not, you have the space in your case and an HBA. Why not just leave them in there and use them as a second pool for something?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому

      Yeah I thought I mentioned that I had a plan for them in the video. There’s a video coming out soon that explains it all 👍🏻

  • @kaspersergej
    @kaspersergej Рік тому

    The prn music in the background... :)

  • @ArcanesWorld
    @ArcanesWorld Рік тому

    Truenas recommends WD storage drives vs all others. Does it honestly matter???

  • @pousoupoux
    @pousoupoux Рік тому

    the only thing keeping me from building my nas is the hdd cost. make a tutorial about getting wd/seagate/toshiba to send us a bunch of drives too

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      Sure! Just spend hundreds of hours planning, filming, writing, editing, and publishing videos!
      In all seriousness, I get it. You might look into renewed drives if you’re okay with taking a bit more risk.

  • @grryboo
    @grryboo Рік тому

    i like watching your videos because I started my system with almost the same spec... i5 655k with 16gb of ram and the same PSU lol

  • @Bandicoot803
    @Bandicoot803 Рік тому +4

    5:03 - For heaven's sake! PLEASE PULL OUT the fan connectors BEFORE blowing compressed air through them as they generate a high enough voltage to fry your motherboard with ease.

  • @josephmacomson5720
    @josephmacomson5720 Рік тому

    Hey hardware haven I made a mc server and my server folders aren’t in mc-docker folder an I can’t find the. I found there container ID an looked at the logs but Idk what to do from there

  • @serverlibre
    @serverlibre Рік тому

    Hey, could you make a video on installing Nextcloud Docker? I'm having trouble with the process and would really appreciate some help. Thank you.

  • @lelandY2K
    @lelandY2K Рік тому +1

    holy SHITE im early

  • @jaylord55
    @jaylord55 Рік тому

    just did same thing myself went from 3 4tb drives to 6 in raid z2 config old was a raid z1. I couldnt figure out how to do the replication task so i ended up just going with The copy paste method over smb on 2.5gig nic's it only took about 6 hours to copy all 7.6tb over wish i had seen this vid on the replication it probably would have went much faster and no annoying copying box on the screen

  • @KennethBenzie
    @KennethBenzie Рік тому

    How is it you can log in with the haven user? All the forum posts I've seen say only the root user can be used for web ui login.

  • @jimholloway1785
    @jimholloway1785 Рік тому +1

    Is this a Dell computer you are using as your TrueNas server, if it is a Dell what model is it?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +2

      No, it’s a super micro motherboard in an Antec case

    • @jimholloway1785
      @jimholloway1785 Рік тому +1

      @@HardwareHaven thank you

    • @jimholloway1785
      @jimholloway1785 Рік тому +2

      @@HardwareHaven Did you create a video when you built this TrueNas server with the super micro MB and Antec Case? I am currently watching another one of your videos on a nas build but I think you state you are using a HP mb, so I would like to see how you built this server before you did the HD swapout with the 10gb drives. thank you

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      Yeah sorry! I originally built it with that HP mobo, but swapped it out after I accidentally killed it.. lol
      ua-cam.com/video/i7ZPw-IuYG4/v-deo.html

    • @jimholloway1785
      @jimholloway1785 Рік тому

      @@HardwareHaven I found the video and watched it today. thanks for your videos. I am interested in TrueNAS Scale and watching all the videos I can on it.

  • @Fraggi77
    @Fraggi77 Рік тому

    What was the HBA Card?

  • @nanourbano
    @nanourbano Рік тому

    How did you get a picture of the server under support?

  • @Napert
    @Napert Рік тому

    is it worth getting used toshiba/hgst 4tb drives for $50/ea. for very budget "nas"?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому

      Depends! I did a video on that just recently ($150 NAS video)

  • @mattclauss
    @mattclauss Рік тому

    Do you still use that UnRAID setup or full TrueNAS Scale now?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      I use TN Scale for my personal NAS, but Unraid is a really good option, especially if you're wanting to do a lot of different things on it and storage isn't the absolute upmost concern. I actually hope to get back to some unraid videos early this year.

  • @Reset91tm
    @Reset91tm Рік тому

    hi, do you know what is the power consumption of your build?

    • @atomictesting6412
      @atomictesting6412 Рік тому +1

      He mentioned it in the original build video. Around 20 watts at idle, 20 flat when using it to watch movies/TV, and 37 watts when running a Minecraft server. (If I remember correctly)

  • @afriendlynorwegianguy3284
    @afriendlynorwegianguy3284 Рік тому

    I don't know man, I had one of the Toshiba N300 4 terabyte variants. Not long after I installed it, it started squealing and destroying itself. Might have been a freak accident tho

  • @keylanoslokj1806
    @keylanoslokj1806 Рік тому

    Can you setup your own vpn at home with minimal cost?

  • @sutski0249
    @sutski0249 Рік тому

    could you teach us how to create server for ark survival pls ?

  • @computerenthusiast402
    @computerenthusiast402 Рік тому

    What do you think is the Best Motherboard/CPU combo for a PC-NAS ?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому

      Really depends on what you need it to do. For just a couple drives in RAID1 or something with gigabit Ethernet, you can basically run it on anything. If you want to get into things like 2.5/5/10GbE and more complex raid setups or if you want to run other services, it’s going to take a lot more.
      Assuming you want something fairly basic, 4th gen i3 systems are usually pretty affordable and aren’t too bad on power draw. If power is a bigger concern, look for systems with “mobile” CPUs. Just do some research and see how well it will work for your use case. Hope that helped

    • @mitjajarc
      @mitjajarc 11 місяців тому

      I'm going b450 asrock pro4 full atx with 3400G, after NY. Coz the smaller kid just got smallpox. I know overkill, but that't what I got laying around. 😅

  • @therealgamingfire
    @therealgamingfire Рік тому +2

    Next he is gonna upgrade to 2 petabytes lol.

  • @notFoxils
    @notFoxils Рік тому +1

    Ive been thinking about converting my old laptop (2 cores, 4 threads 2.1ghz) into a nas, but i also find it useful as a minecraft server (2-10) players, could i possibly run both at the same time? or would i need an upgrade to the cpu (i found a 4 core with hyper-threading at 3.2ghz)

    • @Ultrakillisprettycool
      @Ultrakillisprettycool Рік тому +1

      I could be missing something, but laptops don't allow you to upgrade CPUs, and if the one you have does, the CPIUs likely aren't compatible sockets.

    • @notFoxils
      @notFoxils Рік тому

      @@Ultrakillisprettycool no i have done some research and they do appear to be the same socket the 2 core with hyperthreading is an i3 2310m and the 4 core hyperthreading is an i7 2630QM

    • @52thephotoshop
      @52thephotoshop Рік тому

      @@notFoxils socket is irrelevant most laptops are not cpu or gpu upgradeable I highly doubt it. Get a Dell optifine off ebay you can get a quad core with hyper threading for like $200

    • @RestInRaxys
      @RestInRaxys Рік тому

      @@52thephotoshop Some old laptops could be upgraded.

    • @bastian433
      @bastian433 Рік тому

      You will likely have a problem with the cooling if you even succeed switching the cpu

  • @neilgorman9325
    @neilgorman9325 Рік тому

    What are you doing with all those Lenovos in the background?! 🤓

  • @0deepak
    @0deepak Рік тому +2

    My NAS is running Windows 10 Pro, and it works great. I disabled the auto updates, and now I haven't rebooted in 2 months. Is anyone else using Windows?

    • @tanmaypanadi1414
      @tanmaypanadi1414 Рік тому

      what hardware are you using for NAS ?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +3

      If it’s storage and attached to the network, I’d say it’s a real NAS. Windows wouldn’t be my go-to, but I definitely won’t discourage people from using it if it makes sense for them

    • @0deepak
      @0deepak Рік тому

      @@tanmaypanadi1414 I am using an Intel NUC. It has a pentium Sliver J5040, 8 GB of ram, 256 GB SSD for Windows. For media storage, I am using 2x 4 TB Seagate Ironwolf NAS drives.

    • @andreacaproni9305
      @andreacaproni9305 Рік тому +1

      @@0deepak oooh this is literally my AIO PC I use everyday, same same!
      the mb itself it's tiny so easy to fit in a back of a monitor 😂

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому

      Makes sense!

  • @Pzdrs
    @Pzdrs Рік тому

    i see you're running ecc ram, unregistered that is I assume?

  • @SrSilverstars
    @SrSilverstars Рік тому

    Seemed very hard. For my personal use case, I will definitely be going with something more user friendly.
    Good job though.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому

      Yeah TrueNAS can kinda be a butt, but worth it for my use case. I'd give Unraid or OMV a go!

  • @JasonMeeks79
    @JasonMeeks79 Рік тому

    Dang. I wish I could get new drives sent to me.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому

      Just make a bunch of videos. It’s easy! 👍🏻

  • @mig8979
    @mig8979 Рік тому

    😁

  • @yousouf4047
    @yousouf4047 Рік тому

    Your videos makes so jelous lol

  • @willcurry6964
    @willcurry6964 Рік тому

    I dont have a NAS but if I did I would not have any spinning drives....way too slow. Nvme is the way to go.........

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      As cool as that would be... I like getting a lot more storage while still being capped by my 2.5GbE network lol. Multiple spinning disks in RAID + ZFS + a fair a mount of RAM can be surprisingly fast.

  • @cyberpunk9487
    @cyberpunk9487 Рік тому +1

    I see 3 Lenovo mini pcs in the backround on the bottom right. So Im assuming your going to do a cluster with them. Proxmox, XCP-ng just a guess. SHHHHHHH spoilers

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      Possibly, as long as I can get them to work 👀

    • @cyberpunk9487
      @cyberpunk9487 Рік тому +2

      @@HardwareHaven You'l figure it out l your really good XCP-ng is easy to do but all you have to consider is ha or distributed storage proxmox basically same deal just setup the replication task

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому

      No, I mean I have to get the PCs to work at all haha

    • @cyberpunk9487
      @cyberpunk9487 Рік тому +1

      @@HardwareHaven o sorry. But getting the pc to work at all is a one of the funniest responses to something like that

  • @alekzandru221
    @alekzandru221 Рік тому

    Must be nice getting them ssd...fk expensive af...:,(

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      Yeah it's nice, and it's also taken hundreds of hours of my life making videos to "get them for free".

    • @alekzandru221
      @alekzandru221 Рік тому

      @@HardwareHaven Don't you get financial compensation from said hundreds of hours? On top of the "free" merch?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      @@alekzandru221 Yes, but what does that have to do with it? Also, the "free merch" I get sent is typically to make videos. A lof of people find value in them, and I can only make so many of them by buying everything myself. I seriously don't understand the point you're making...

    • @alekzandru221
      @alekzandru221 Рік тому

      @@HardwareHaven im just curious man. No harm meant. Lol

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Рік тому +1

      You’re good. It can just get a little frustrating when people assume all I do is play around with computers and get free stuff for it lol

  • @jzlproductions3908
    @jzlproductions3908 Рік тому +1

    Hii

  • @jorgegomez374
    @jorgegomez374 Рік тому

    I just found your channel, I saw your promox video got interested. Great job

  • @infradragon
    @infradragon Рік тому +1

    I am sorry but this video is triggering for me asit reminds me of when my father used to beat me with a rope. do not think it is appropriate to post content that could be triggering for others and hope the person who made this video will consider the impact it has on their audience.

  • @ProximoNovio
    @ProximoNovio Рік тому

    There is a easier way with all drives plugged in you jist type in /sudo del all -f sda0*9