Brian Eno - 'What is Art actually for?’
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2016
- Lecture Date: 2012-02-24
AA First Year Lunchtime Lecture introduced by Valentin Bontjes van Beek.
‘… six weeks ago we were in a cab crossing the Thames on our way back to Notting Hill with Brian Eno and Diego Cortez - we’d just seen the Gerhard Richter and Pipilotti Rist shows. Brian was discussing the contents of a book project he has been talking about for a number of years: “… an attempt to answer the huge unanswered question, the dirty secret of the art world: what is art actually for?”
… I think this would make a really inspiring talk for the First Year students …’.
every time i listen to Eno talk it makes me go create more art. Thank you Brian!
One of the most rewarding insights from this lecture is at 1:03:05, on our inability to judge the worth of our work in the moment it is being created. When working for a long time as an artist in isolation, it is natural to despair and think it is all pointless. Even more so, the more it pushes the boundaries in terms of "what if?" Yet Eno's own reflections on his experience recording Another Green World indicate that pushing through times like this and finishing something can actually result in a work of art that continues to resonate long after the moment has passed. Inspiration comes and goes, and our judgment is often wrong, but simply putting in the work is something we as artists can keep doing, and who knows how it might turn out.
solid
Salad
for real. its a mental game... more than people who dont make art often could ever realise imo.
Wish I could hear Brian Eno talk for hours and hours with no limitations.
Our lives in the forest of eno
i saw this lecture. so good.
Has he ever been on other folks podcasts?
I've never seen one that he's done, it's a real shame. 😾
"Art is everything you don't have to do" What a beautiful summing up. Thank you Brian.
Which doesn't mean anything at all.
Made it all the way to 57:02 just to have Brian Eno tell me to practice more. Damn it, he's right.
it pains me that eno has the best humor and nobody there seems to really understand it
Art students usually understand fuck all.
"Fuck all". Just about on that level.
@@Johnconno students usually understand fuck all* ftfy
I saw him do a similar lecture in Long Beach California in 2010; he was installing 77 million paintings there. At the beginning he said that he would not entertain any questions of an arcane nature regarding the 1970’s or his affiliation with an old rock band, blah blah blah…then about midway through he asked the audience if someone could tell him the time, someone blurted out “about 8 o clock”. A few minutes later I realized he asked at exactly 8:01.
I as a high school teacher have found that the most intelligent person in any staff-room is the art teacher.
Hm... Are you an art teacher?
@@DejanTesic must be.
A refreshing thought, but I have known hundreds of teachers in numerous institutions, and find little correlation between intelligence and field of study. However, genus is often indicated by multiple fields of study; a highly intelligent person will engage many fields.
This is deeper than I expected. I am more qualified in electronics than art but I found it amazing that someone could attempt such a question as "What is Art actually for" and succeed in actually producing a well thought out answer. I had to watch the whole thing and I felt enlightened and inspired. If the lecture was in C++ or switching power supplies then I would have been asleep at the end! I now have a new set of examples, metaphors etc to use when discussing art; which is only a recent interest after 30 years of technology (I was seduced by the seemingly infinite powers of the tiny components on a circuit board, arranged in neat patterns)...
Jonathan Holloway welcome to the rabbit hole
Aside from a great lecture, I love that the master of technique in music and art is happy to present handwritten visual aids on A4 paper that are ill-fitting and just about readable. It makes it personal and unique.
I was applauding from ten minutes in (less time if you ignore the bizarre introduction)
A very sane, sanguine and useful exploration of humans and their activity.
Thank you Eno!
More please x
What an incredible concept "Art is everything we don't have to do", a way of addressing the introspective monolog we have with ourselves . A means of expressing elements of the human condition we simply can not verbalise . Like a diary, or a time punctuation . The desire to write your name on the wall in language you have just invented .... I love the way this Mans mind works, constantly questioning everything.
A superb post. Thank you.
Absolutely priceless - thankyou
The presentation with no sound on... partly exemplifies exactly what art is for.
Art is everything, for artists or those real art admirers (not art dealers), art is everything there is and one of the only things worth living for in this world. Art is an expression of feelings, desires, words, messages, everything that we cannot communicate in an everyday manner.
Those that really feel art, know that it's almost otherworldly, that you are just a vessel that tuned into the universe and are transmitting the message through song, poetry, images, etc.
It's an expression of the soul and the universal energy, and you don't have to be religious to understand it (I'm not), but it helps being spiritual. Most people that think in "exact" and empirical terms, will never get art. That's okay, we each have our place in the world I think, we need as many people in "exact" sciences as much as spiritual people in the arts.
To understand how to create art for yourself is soo helpful in a world where we work in order to survive. Whilst we should be able to have our basic necessities unrestricted by money, we don't. But art must always stay as something that is done for the self, others can and should be included but the self must always be present. It shouldn't be locked away from empirical thinking, both patterns of thought should exist in everyone.
A musical instrument is always a collaboration between science and art.Paint is designed by scientists for artists to use.
Eno is one of a very few Artist / Humans worthy of the position of Role Model
Thank fuck he's still with us; long may it continue!
- - - _"Yeh, I used to have a car like that"_ @_@ 33:55 🤣
I understood from Mr Brian Eno that post rationalization is painful. And the spark is still magical.
Art is everything you have to do for your soul and spirit. The body also benefits from art. Making art is making culture. Culture is the real everlasting wealth.
"I don't need it anymore" and the lamp comes back on haha a great example of surrender
Thought exactly the same hahaha
Great video, I enjoyed it very much!
Some radical ideas. Right on Brian!
Has he done this lecture in full? I’d love to find the whole thing
love the appreciation of alternative haircuts
Great lecture pre PowerPoint.., I ended up speeding the video up a tad
i like this idea it seams to warrant a test .
Love how marvellously low-tech Eno's presentation here is. For a guy who is clearly technically very, very capable an overhead projector, some rough drawings on paper, photocopies, some screw drivers...he still has plenty worth saying
I really enjoy that he chose to present in that way. It's like how in architectural lectures people start to sit up and pay attention more when a hand drawn image or rough sketch is presented on a slide (maybe that's just me and my experience though). They reveal much more about human thought than any computer generated image could hope to do.
The overhead projector and bits of paper: 70s analogue!
Great talk!
Hey, I'm in arch at Université de Montréal, also first year. Any chance of getting Brian Eno to come to Canada for some talks?? If not, did he have any hand outs or share any information for the conference that wasn't shown in the video. If a fellow arch student could email me some of that I would be greatfull :)
This is a great listen. I notice he says a number of times "...how does art work?". To which I wonder what that means. Is art working?
I love you Brian eno ❤
56:00 primera vez que me topo con alguien que usa la metáfora del surfing como yo para revelar un modo de estar que depende de las olas del mar y de algo de control
Ensayar
Cómo se ensaya
Pensando
Escribiendo
Aplicando en clases o talleres
Dejando que se desenrrolle y rebase el ámbito personal
Estando atento a cómo va a ir expandiéndose
Se van a ir contagiando áreas de la vida para modificar el enfoque, modificar el enfoque a veces es pasar de no enfocar a enfocar y a veces es desenfocar, a veces reenfocar
Pero el enfoque arrastra todos los sentidos aunque lo tenemos anclado a la vista
DI SÍ A TODO
It's interesting that asking people to look at this video now until late 2020 with the conditions of the pandemic, I tried to instruct people early on in 2020 that they need to find something constructive to do since there's so many millions of people out of work and staying at home, apparently expressing that they have nothing to do, and that they were becoming severely depressed.
I would explain to many of them that an artist finds this kind of period as the most productive.
I think some might say this is, to use a cliche word, ironic, but I had been producing large technical pastel sketches from observing through a large astronomy telescope eyepieces for over the past 20 years as many of these were featured in NASA websites, especially those artworks of observing directly the sun's surface with a special solar research grade telescope.
But when one of the editors of the world famous astronomy magazine for over 75 years, Sky & Telescope, asked me in late January if they could publish one of my lunar sketches in their gallery of images, I had to demur, and respond to him in email, that the image he was referring to what he saw in my Facebook site, was made over a decade ago for a large astronomy artist's Forum back East and which it was awarded but I had never completed the artwork.
Many people commented that they thought it was a photograph of the Moon in detail.
Of course I had to explain them, no it's a pastel sketch made at about 15 or 16 inches in diameter of the lunar disc and then every crater detailed in, that I could see for over a four hour period of observing through the telescope on one warm July night in the summer of 2009.
I didn't actually enter the artwork into their astronomers forum for sketching and competition until the monthly competition was announced in November of 2009. they would have one every month but I never thought it was quite good enough to enter into the competition until I thought about it for a few months.
It was voted worldwide for the first place that month but I still had to describe to others, when they commented in the site competition announcement for the current month's winner, that I had never completed it.
Now flash ahead to February 2020, and again I had to admit to the world famous astronomy editor of the magazine, that I never really completed it and I wouldn't want it to be published worldwide until I made an effort to complete it, [now 11 years later.]
So he allowed me to do that for the next month or so and they published it in their May 2020 issue. Sadly nobody could go to the bookstores across America, all closed down, or the magazine stands and buy a copy of the issue unless they already had a subscription that they were receiving in their personal US mail.
So I instead posted the images in a photograph of picture of how it was to appear in the magazine on a full 8 1/2 half by 11 inch print page in the magazine. Although that's rather small compared to the original sketch which is many times larger.
so I'd put it up in my astrophotography and pastel sketch album in my Facebook site.
I listened to Brian Eno's music often and while I was working on the sketch originally in 2009, so I must commend him for inspiring my lunar art when I was first introduced to his Apollo Atmospheres album by a friend then.
By 2009 that had been almost a decade later actually only eight years after I had taken a cross-country road trip solo with this large solar research grade telescope borrowed from my astronomy club in Portland Oregon as I allowed thousands of people across the continent and into Eastern Canada to observe the sun directly and witness its solar surface activity safely through a hydrogen alpha solar filtered telescope. [I interviewed hundreds of people possibly thousands over a hundred hours of audio recordings while I asked them to describe the image to me through the eyepiece as they observed it. Out of 100 hours of audio I accepted 15 minutes of the best responses from people and this is up as my headline UA-cam in my Mark Seibold UA-cam site.
So my astronomy is more than just artwork that has been awarded over the years, but a public service that I provide in the streets for free for the public still today in my hometown of Portland Oregon. Again much of what I do with my lunar sketches at night made from the telescope at the time 10 years ago, were inspired by listening to Brian Eno's music.
*OneNote: this one Facebook album, [out of 200 albums that I have in my site] is rather large, so you'll have to scroll down through many photos until you reach near the bottom where it shows my recent work on the large pastel sketch work in February 2020, and in a before-and-after version. [the original from 11 years ago that they wanted to publish and then the new reworked version completed about the time the covid-19 lockdowns started.]
m.facebook.com/mark.seibold/albums/435209217215/
Thinking back to when I first watched this lecture (which inspired me examine my personal definition of art), I can see a small problem. If we define art as being something that we do when we are not surviving or "Art is everything you don't have to do" then that ultimately means that artists (who earn their living producing art) do not produce art. And this is possibly true; perhaps artists who earn their living creating "art" are merely "Arts and crafts" people who make pretty pictures that attract buyers. Their images are restricted by the tastes of the end user who wants something to match the colour on the walls. Perhaps art can only be something that creates no profit? Perhaps art is only only political graffiti, resisting rules. Just thought I would pop that in for discussion. I am always open to new interpretations and I did enjoy watching this lecture a lot.
I mean, just look at Radiohead, they hardly try to please anyone and always surprise their fans. They make money yes but i honestly dont think they make music for money, they make money from music. They change drastically from album to album and sometimes the albums arent that successful. this is of course just one example but i do think many other artists make art for the sake of making art and sometimes end up making money. even if the fans expect something, sometimes it isnt delivered or is delivered unintentionally, which means that not all art that generates revenue is "fake". hope i got my point across :)
I remember reading a book by Donald McNarry who built miniature ship models. He had detailed work and as a ship in bottle artist I wanted to learn his techniques. It was interesting that he asked the same question as this video in that he asked what is this model for? His answer was, "Ship models are useless things and their virtue lies in the accuracy and realism with which the depict the prototype in such a way as to give lasting pleasure to the beholder." I never liked this answer. It is to two denominational and with it the hierarchy or ship modeling can be found on the basis of how a model fits in engineering measurements. It's flat and boring. I've found if you make the sales a little to big they look wind filled and moving, big cannons show strength and power, wave size can show the fear of encountering a stormy sea. Even the clarity of the glass can give the model different levels of a dream like look. Like looking through a telescope at something far away and even unattainable. Where does this fit on McNarry's engineering hierarchy? It doesn't. It does fit in Brian Eno's three dimensional concept of art. I can pick a location within the ship in bottle area of art, line it up with a story or feeling and create in that space.
Having spent a few years living in punk squats... I have a particular nostalgia for "hacked about by a brainless cretin"
People talking nonsense. Mr Eno is talking sense if you able to grasp it.
Genius
I didn't get the title and the author of the book he mentioned (min. 13.02)
Man's Rage for Chaos: Biology, Behavior, and the Arts, Morse Peckham
39:44 for anyone needing this
In the haze of the morning, Brian sits on eternity.
“He’s German, who cares” - ENO acquired old people’s rights 🤣
cool guy and nice music
he's funny and creative as fuck man, incredible
Ain't this a great talk wow😍😊
The audio is so low!
we humans should all be happy that we have the one thing that requires no reason to be, no mission, no purpose, and requires and has no definition: ART. It is pointless to define art and ask what its purpose is, just like seriously debating comedy. Art covers such a wide range of human endeavors, and even the way we look at phenomena in nature, that it is something better practiced than defined.
Thanks
Still waiting for someone to introduce Eno with the MGMT lyric.
In my youth I sculpted a ceramic hand at night school and gave it to my fiance who found a use for it as a doorstop. All its fingers got broken. We never married.
What was the name of the book author of mens race for chao "mors pecan"??
Elio Scala Morse Peckham, mans rage for chaos
No a sculpture influences the space it is in... that is a function.
It may create outrage or a sense of peace etc... function does not necessitate a classical or predictable utilitarianism.
Is inspiring emotion a function?
I think this is more from an angle of survival, do you need sculptures to create emotions to survive? Because it is artificial.
A flat-top with fenders started out future, ended up retro, and then went back to the future.
I thought he gave an interesting talk,he has been part of many different projects,many of them very interesting.If it is is too demanding watch Scooby Do.
Min: 51:31
Well done.
Hi
I think it's easy, art is life, life is art
Billy idol study philosophy ???
But professional, he broke a new styles
About that intro tho...
Functional harmony is for writing lieder for your high art.
#Multiple Personalities# Learning it kills creativity unless you are careful.
art is everything, you think, you dont have to do. when you flip the piramid upside down, we see the future model of art, and the base threatning to crush the top, like during any revolution. when part of civalazation as the fundamental trio for the design of a society, which i call dutch fundamentalism, which have the 3 fundaments, science, humanism and art, as a model for the future. and the model is beeing tested now, hoping of it never to become a religion itself, but something, you, simply slide under any society and religion.
10:38 - “I have no truck with snobbery. At all. To me, it’s all the same: literature, porno, dog racing…” -Dean Learner
hair on your head, has ofcourse function, to isolate the head from cold for instance, somehow that part you completely forgot
Subtitles "on" would have been nice
How come he couldn't finish!. What an incredible lecture! And terrible first question.
Some interesting ideas here but also a blunder. We all make creative decisions constantly, Eno says: an artist is simply someone that makes a living from it. All I have to do to counter that argument is say "Van Gogh". I suggest the difference is one of degrees: the artist makes more creative decisions and, crucially, makes them more consciously.
Let me add. Hierarchies as well as networks will always exist as a way of perciving the world. The real ones eternally exists. Our understanding of these though change by time.
text on a swedish artwork on luntmakargatan stockholm "i have nothing to do im doing it its art"
its called arriba jag har ingenting att göra jag gör det det är konst
Art is a tool. A screwdriver to the mind.
I want to see Mr. Eno and Jordan Peterson discuss the sameness and differences in what they think.
Eno would probably prefer a week of dysentry to such a 'discussion'.
Art is only what the Leo Castelli's of the world say it is.
Maybe they paid for it, but it's possible the lecture content here is faultily entrusted to 'art' schools alone. This should be a public discourse, at least at with the humanities across widespread universities.
with youtube everything is public
AA is a private architecture school but we thank them for putting content up on UA-cam :)
Normal activity bores us creatives,thus art is necessary .
39:44
1:03:15
I needed to hear this today. Thank you.
very much like the way he draws his schemes/so elementary but still informative though not really necessary
ZEUS & HERA: The planets and supernovas try to prevent the explosion and failed on their travel they found the solar system & they created the earth & hoped a balance world that can remain however the inhabitants of Earth had an obsession for supernovas and hexagon; mars for wars the explosion of creation is a pleasure on the minds of Adam & EVE enjoying the pleasures of Paradise.
Once upon a time "art" existed because PEOPLE WANTED PICTURES OF OTHER PEOPLE ETC..That's before the invention of photography.After the invention of photography "art" had to exist FOR IT'S OWN SAKE. In more recent times and for a long time before that "art"is only declared "art" if it's FAMOUS "art" and therefore has FINANCIAL INVESTMENT VALUE. Then there's COMMERCIAL ART that exists to be sold to the masses like popular greeting card designs or popular t-shirt designs.
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other then things can be tools..
This man is a demigod
i'm an artist without a medium....
Trust art students to start talking about being funded by the government. By the way, was he suggesting that art that is about art (such as white on white) is interesting or useful to anyone other than artists? Also; Meryl Streep would not be happy that he suggests that sport is an art form.
His screwdriver metaphor is uninformed: The 'business end' of a screwdriver is the solution to a very specific problem. The other end is not 'stylistic' except for color in the most subtle way. The forms are a variety of very considered and deliberate problem-solving efforts by industrial designers. Same problem as the other end, just more complicated. Attempting to solve a problem (the best form/surface for using a screwdriver that will work for all the different hands and body compositions in the world). Color would be considered in the formula. The basic formula being "Visibility in a Workshop". So, Yellow and Red. Slight variants are made to distinguish brand. A stripe here. A logo there.
Now, think of pink power tools. Pink guns. These are using color not for functional reasons but as a 'code': meaning the same thing as the old "Lady Speed Stick". "Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman!"
So drop, art get a life, turn art. Come,,,,, natural
这碗鸡汤我心甘情愿的吞下了
Atleast give a conclusion, Brian.
Or, Hassan1, you could step to the take-control side of the axis and make your own conclusion.
audio in this video is absolute rubbis
Click here to skip the shitty intro: 2:37
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Quantic art 🎨Quantic art 🎨 Imagination & facts : Vision & clarity on the structure imaginative minds.😉👠🧣
I love the guy to death and as an artist and a musician, (and as a producer,) he's done much absolutely wonderful stuff, but he's still a pretentious git who still makes me grind my teeth.
I lasted less than 2 minutes.
Ah 2016, times when a projector is still being used. Nice vid though I must admit, it was boring. The reason I think it's boring is because I feel that there is nothing to gain or learn from it.
I find it interesting how he was some kind of figure during the 70s and I think 80s for music, yet he didn't like the instrument he was using. Then he says that he just does and doesn't wait to be inspired. It's really good that keeps himself productive that way but I'm wondering how does one even know what they are truly doing when they are not inspired to create? It's no wonder why it was difficult for him to complete his green album. Was it just luck or knowing music theory?
To be honest, I listened to that another green world album a while ago and I have no memory of anything that I heard.
Wow! You have clearly NO idea who Brian Eno is and what HUGE influence he have had on contemporary music and art in general(start by googling his name at least.) His various concepts are groundbreaking for enhancing creativity.From the OBLIQUE STRATEGIES deck of cards he developed together with Peter Schmidt to apps like Bloom and Scape he has continued to open up new territory to explore creative thinkini and how to power through block of inspiration,even questioning the dependence on inspiration as a constant neccessity for creation.He is one of the worlds most sought after producers of music and considered a legend,inventing the concept of ambient music(as well as naming it so)is just one of so many feats coming from this freethinker. Study him more indepth,it may very well advance the way you think of yourself as a creative mind.Beeing uninformed is not something you should flaunt for all to see,it doesnt serve you and your reputation.You deserve better then embarrasing yourself uneccassery my friend.
I feel such pity for anyone who is unable to enjoy Another Green World or similar albums. Like, fucking hell! Seriously, imagine missing out on that...
I like the substance of this presentation,
but he could've prepped better visual aids than these off-the-cuff jottings. To my mind they in no way do best justice for the material that he's covering.
- And (while I'm moaning) Ye _Gods_ the cameraman! Just frame the fkn thing and leave it alone mate! Enough fidgeting with zoom buttons! \🙄/
what a boring lifeless audience ..... and a great talk
as soon as the intelligent people would naturally engage and commence in a discourse of reason and logic; he decides to end the lecture... Eno ain't too smart unless you ascribe to the current absequential non-critical view of reality... the guy made some great music, but this talk is almost invalid
of course, it's for first year students and is served perfectly, you really couldn't ask for a better experiential speaker on modern art than Brian Eno... However; the final year students would surely have built greatly above their conceptual understanding in this first instance. in any case, he's been a great teacher; however, wrong
to ask what is art is stupid. Question is. What is an artist.
Jan Martin Ulvåg I suppose that's a more valid question; considering that art is a human construct, the artist would logically come before the art... what about nature as art?... DaVinci wasn't the procurer of art before nature . I think that's the point Eno is making... if you want to be a true conceptual art critic, you'd first have to admit the existence of an intelligent proto/transhuman creator. Otherwise your understanding and influence is limited to politics, which any intelligent person knows is pure shit.
The material world is an extension of spirit. To live in matter and experience it is more than that. If you have created something it has a life of its own. Dark side of the moon by Pink Floyd is art and it defines music and life. True artist give birth to living art. The creator has no consciousness and don't need perception. He creates.
I think I lost you....."True artist give birth to living art. The creator has no consciousness and don't need perception. He creates." inasmuch as the "creator"=artist and works unconsciously and without no perception, his virtue or duty as an artist is to merely exist as creation goes as an accident. also, if true artist creates living art.....what do we mean by living art? you have to specify that and then it brings the question what art is, so there we are again.
I think he takes himself far too seriously and lapses into full on pretentiousness. He says in the end quite obvious things in a long winded way.
More shootings than grooming in my neighborhood.
Any smart person will never use Wikipedia as a source.
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Art is about absolutely nothing and the less meaning the better
The use of politics in art based on some activists ideas about how the art world are mostly about the narcissistic ego trips religious morals and puritanical thinking
Is the most useless of them all
Is there is actually any meaning art now
To launder money
Lost right at the start. You don't become an artist. You are born one. The statement is are you going to live as who you are or are you going to deny it?
None of us are born anything except human. Some humans become artists. You sound religious.
@@nectarinedreams7208 🗿
Enough. Us a good artist. He should help younger artist with his money and shut his mouth.