The History of Trunks! | DBZ: Abridged FIRST REACTION
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It's time to blast to the darkest timeline and see what went down when Goku wasn't around to save the day...
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The "it was the only thing he left me" line is funny until you realize that the gi was really the only thing Goku truly owned, he literally left everything he had to his son, and his son never realized
Nimbu,power pole nad his house when he lived with grandpa gohan
@@Jpx0999 the power pole was placed on top of Korin’s tower to connect it to Kami’s lookout, and the nimbus is a sentient being, so he can’t really “give” it to him, and I don’t think Goku actually knows where his old house is.
@@robertwyatt3912 it blew up shhh
@@robertwyatt3912 they live almost right next to grandpa Gohan's house.
@@proffesorspiderlastname5654 no they don’t, that’s only mentioned in the anime
His chat knows as little as he does,
It hurts seeing them give false intel.
Yeah
What really hurts is the dis on dub Trunks, damn actually wait I think he meant the Trunks from the time he was with Gohan and yeah I prefer both the old dub and this abridged dub of Trunks compared to the while talented, the one in Kakarots History of Trunks throws me off so hard because of the way Trunks looks
@@wwalton the OG VO for future trunks just got too old and couldn’t do the “younger” trunks voice
Lost it at “Bulma was like 7 years older than Goku” and “Gohan was 15-16 when trunks was born” like bruh you know they didn’t watch the show lmao
@@KingOfFools784 oh I know, I get that but still I do prefer his take on this Trunks again no disrespect to the actress for young Trunks
20:50 the first indication that this was all in Gohan’s head is the fact that the real Piccolo can’t pronounce Makankosappo.
Idk. After fusing with kami. The real piccolo would know how to pronounce it. Or at least kami would correct him til he got it right lol. But we have no way of knowing if future piccolo had fused with kami and still died or just died.
@@kitfisto1847
Future Piccolo wouldn’t have fused with Kami because he didn’t know the androids were that powerful or that they were gonna appear.
Ma-Kankou-Sappou would be a better spelling to read it
@@kitfisto1847 the creators said that was a deliberate sign
Monty Oum was a popular animator who had a big hand in later seasons of the show Red vs Blue, by Rooster Teeth, and other works. He died of a severe allergic reaction while undergoing a fairly routine surgery.
He also is the one who created Rwby.
He is more popular as the creator of RWBY.......
His own works were Dead Fantasy (Dead or Alive vs Final Fantasy) and RWBY. He was an excellent combat animator in particular, able to move stuff at lightning speed while keeping the action really clear and easy to watch. I don't think he had anything to do with DBZA but he was such a promising animator taken way too soon.
His action scenes in RvB were so cool
He was behind RWBY and a very classic video called Haloid. A fight between samus and master chief.
The vegeta scream finally getting to earth to tie it back to the joke in frieza saga was amazing, never caught it before
If you look back at the scream when it happened on Namek when he screams it cuts to the scene you're talking about with Trunks talking to Bulma and the scream in the background
suggesting that its not the scream getting back to earth, but that scream is actually currently happening in that moment just the scream was so powerful it transcended time itself.
The fact its the most replayed part of the video 😂😂😂
@@dumbanimenerd4169 in that scene before trunks hears the scream a 20 years later card shows up
@@hanzohamster Yes. but if it were the sound waves getting back to Earth then it'd simply get there before Goku did honestly.
it transcending time makes more sense.
*Spoiler alert*
When #17 says how the lack of the energy sense is an intentional design flaw, I never thought it before that way since Cell has life energy. So #17 and #18 not able to sense is making sure they couldn't escape Cell, and maybe that's why Gero didn't want #16 to be turned on since it could sense life energy - thus later assisting #18 to escape Cell.
Like dots are connecting.
That actually makes a lot of sense, holy crap.
no that wouldn't make sense either. cause cell can also hide his energy like the z-fighters. it's so that the androids have a hard time locating the z-fighters and is used as a "stalling" mechnic. that's how gohan and trunks survives, and that's why it took so long for the androids to find goku in the main timeline until 16 pointed out he knows their personal information and can sense where they are.
That does makes sense even tho cell could hide his energy it’s better to be more efficient than for harder work and it makes sense for Android 17 & 18 to not being able to sense energy to make it way easier for cell cause think about it put it in geros perspective you are mad with getting revenge and you have had more than +20 years for this revenge plan of yours so naturally you would want it to be as successful and efficient as possible, Gero had no knowledge of the heart virus for Goku so made your plan around dealing with a healthy Goku in mind, all the Z fighters including Goku would be very suspicious on cell’s ki remember in timeline where trunks returned almost everyone was able to pick up on cell’s ki right away and would be draw to it making cell on the run constantly like before which would be even more difficult for cell to obtain the Androids if they could sense energy sure if the Androids were able to sense energy they would be more efficient killers but then again they were rebellious teens not wanting to obey their creator so in order to grantee that power Gero made cell and you can say Androids were plan A and cell was Plan B in case plan A failed or still hasn’t killed Goku and could also be a sick twisted way of getting back at the rebellious cyborg teens for not listening to him and make it a hunting game for cell cause the Androids can’t detect power levels
@@asianpersuasion4901 I could argue that Gero wouldn't have known what skills Cell would adapt since he died long before Cell was ready. Gero didn't know about Super Saiyans yet Cell was fully aware of Piccolo's regeneration cells and didn't flinch when Vegeta transformed (if recall, that was the first time in the show Cell battling against transformed Saiyan).
Obviously this is overthinking something Toriyama was forced to make as publishers complained. I never truly understood why Gero didn't want #18 to wake #16, the design flaw is kind of vague reason. Also the bomb in #16's chest is kind of pointless reasons since both #17 and #18 have their own.
The #17's idea of having a Sunday drive to Goku's place was there to show they are more human than robots - the flaw Gero wasn't able to fix.
Alternatively, Gero might’ve just not figured out how to do it using cybernetic upgrades. Cell could do it because he was cloned from people who could.
Skipping the post credit scene eh?
Glad you enjoyed it though
Dang, Nick. Do you go searching for random reactions to your series as I do? I see you everywhere lol
I am on a mission next stream to watch - I will not let you down o7
@@JackTheBusReacts haha no worries dude. If you want the movies in watch order I can hook you up with the order we intended them. Thanks again for watching!
@@Cormag541 they just show up on my time line. It's nice seeing people enjoy your work 😁
@@Lanipator It´s incredibly wholesome to see these interactions
People are DEFINITELY messing up Gohan's age in this part. Canonically he, when Trunks is born is roughly 9-10 years old. 13 years have passed so Gohan is roughly 22-23 years old age.
Gohan is born age 757, Trunks is born around age 766-767, so yeah they're like 9-10 years apart
I reckon you're very close. But they do say Gohan is 12 during his fight with Cell. He spent a year in the Chamber, so he's proably around 10-11 when Trunks is born.
@@thedoyla it's never said he is 12
He is canonically born in 757 and cell died in 767 SO Gohan is 9 year old buuut time chamber so he is 10 against cell
Hell the buu saga supports this saying he is 16
16 - 7 is 9 and and in the manga That year in the time chamber is not counted
Future Gohan is 22-23 when he died
@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj I think I've watched db abridged so much that I can't even remember the difference haha.
@@thedoyla That's not good I think
I love the dynamic that 17 and 18 have. They do super cruel things, and yet, even in the future timeline, they kinda just vibe and do whatever they want. And once again, Abridged does a perfect blend of comedy and seriousness.
basically in their minds they're the only real people and everyone else are npcs
Also them just being siblings is cute. They actually feel like people who would spend time with each other.
@@MarkoDashno they see everyone around them as people just fine they don’t see them as npc’s. that would be like saying they were insane or something.
They somehow made this depressing and hilarious at the same time, really captured it perfectly, remember watching this when it came out, good memories.
I call it deprarious.
@@allenholzgrove9303 ohh a men of culture, respect
@@allenholzgrove9303 nice!
I call it deprarious.
@@allenholzgrove9303 was going to say that same thing lmao
Gohan's daddy issues are something TFS made up. In the actual show and the manga, Gohan absolutely idolizes his father. There's always been a debate in the fandom about Goku being a good or a bad father and how Gohan would feel about it I guess Team Four Star thought it'd be a good running joke.
If I recall correctly Lani came out at one point and said they full on regret putting in the Goku is a bad father jokes as people for some reason kept taking the jokes as canon.
@@jayceebee30 the debate was already there, they just amplified it and some people mistake their abridged version for the original canon. I never understood why Gohan would be mad at Goku, at least not in Namek. Goku had died rescuing him from Raditz, then he came back as soon as he could to rescue him again and after that Gohan went to Namek before Goku was fit and Goku saved his ass from the Gynyu Force and from Frieza. Between the end of the Namek saga and Goku's return I do get why Gohan would be angry, but in the Future of Trunks timeline Goku spent almost 3 years at home before the heart virus killed him. How's dying from a heart attack abandoning your family? I'm actually surprised Gohan doesn't have "mommy issues" in canon with Chichi being the control freak she is.
@@anxofernandez3344 tbh goku does spend most of his time training, dead or both, when he isn’t fighting. Until super
Lotta people put DBZ abridged up there as equal to official releases so I can see where the confusion comes in.
pretty sure gohan had some problems but they weren’t as prominent
Please don't let the abridge or the fandom missinform you, Gohan actually loves Goku (Yeah, he can't spent a lot of time with him, but it was because Goku died anyway, both of them are really close)
Yeah, like as much as he wishes Goku were around more, Goku has always been 100% behind whatever Gohan does. Whenever Gohan has doubted himself, Goku has always told him he can do anything. He's never said a negative thing to anyone, ever (who hasn't tried to harm his loved ones), and Gohan has definitely appreciated that positivity, especially against his (fondly) overbearing mother.
Goku is a good father, change my mind
@@lancetheking7524 he is, TFS just gaslit people into believing their version to be true.
@@lancetheking7524 He's a good father until Super
@@juubi249 what did he do
I can't believe that I never picked up on Vegeta yelling in the background of the History of Trunks episode. Lol.
Well even when Vegeta did it originally in abridged on Namek you get a cut to this scene of Trunks and Bulma talking and Vegetas scream echoing in the background.
@@dumbanimenerd4169 I remembered that. I just didn’t realize that they’d shown enough attention to detail to bring the joke back for that scene.
@@CatotheE they did remove the trunks noticing it and going "daddy?" In the special though
@@Ytinasniiable they couldn’t find a way to make it work
The people getting angry at you for calling them androids are kinda...wrong, anyway. See, in Japanese they're named _Jinzoningen,_ which means "artificial human". The standard English translation for this term is "android", because...well...that's what it usually means. Dragon Ball's actually a bit of an outlier when it comes to the word, and translating it as "Android #17" and such in English is actually pretty accurate. It's Dr. Gero who's the weirdo for calling them that.
That's how they're _named,_ but if you look at their individual descriptions, they're all different. #17 and #18 were both human to begin with and were modified in ways that are never truly explained. Bulma says they're still mostly human, "which is why Cell thinks it can merge with them," and a narration in a chapter cover describes them as having "bio-organic enhancements". So "cyborg" might not be the right descriptor for them either, exactly? The Japanese word for them would be _Kaizoningen,_ meaning "modified human", which does cover cyborgs as well (and is the word used for a lot of Kamen Riders, too). Maybe they're more like...mutants...? It's unclear.
Cell is what we in English would probably call a bioroid, a.k.a. a biological android, but "artificial human" works just as well for him in Japanese I suppose?
Interesting side note: the word android is defined as "a robot in the shape of a human". The word robot comes from a slavic play about artificial human servants, but they were portrayed more like what we'd call bioroids--artificial, but organic; not clones, but organic beings built on an assembly line. I just think it's interesting because it goes to show that our assumption that something can't be an android if it isn't made of metal doesn't fit with the origin of the word. And with that in mind, maybe someone is still a cyborg if they're only enhanced by "bio-organic" components? **wild shrugging**
Piccolo: NERD!!
and it makes sense that they are all called androids, because IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH OG DRAGON BALL, the red ribbon army created full on robots with human emotions, aka ANDROIDS. aka android 8. and the numbers kept going up, and the name "androids" continued, even if they started turning actual humans into robots.
Language right...
Any human with Cybernetic parts, even the smallest chip, is technically a Cyborg. Hence, 17,18 are Cyborgs.
Ok how are they wrong? An don’t say read what I wrote, they are cyborgs and not androids. Nobody knows why toryiama called them that some say it sounded cooler others say he didn’t know the difference but there is no reason to say that people who say their not androids is wrong is just stupid. An I’m issue 349 I think titled androids awake they do state that they were forceibly taken an experimented on
Jack is the prototypical person who just watched DBZA and played the games
Yeah at least he's gonna watch the anime soon
Tbf the pacing is way better.
An oblivious normie that makes the 'gettin pounded in the ass' face in every thumbnail and cant form his own conclusions with critical thinking.*
@President Valentine same I watched the actual anime later
Goku was actually a very caring father with Gohan before Raditz showed up, that's why he was so wimpy as a kid (like any other 4yd)
Mostly is filler (but good filler that fits the Lore)
Well it's kinda still Chi-Chi's fault that Gohan was super sheltered
I love the original sad scene of Gohan is demise
But the abridged version actually did it really well
The music
The flashes of 17 and 18 beating Gohan was haunting
And the acting was phenomenal
Surprisingly for a joke series they almost do just as good as a dragon ball story writers themselves when they try their hardest
FYI: Monty was an up-and-coming popular animator. He made some kickass shorts then that show RWBY. He fell ill and died just after season 3 of RWBY I think.
Season 2. The scene at the start of season 3 with the birds flying towards the sun was a tribute to him (similar to how he signed his name). Also, Monty was the voice of Ren in the first two seasons, but his brother took over the role after his passing, starting with season 3.
and rwby fell off ever since. rip monty
@@h.4343 People like you need therapy. Someone's death is mentioned and you can't help bringing up their show "fell off" like can you be any more tasteless? Or have any amount of social skills to read the room?
He died during surgery not from illness
@@mrpumperknuckles1631 oh your right. I could have sworn he was in the news for some form of quick spreading cancer, but I must be thinking of someone else.
Flying requires basic ki control to learn, which requires vast Physical Strength to Achieve.
Anyone can learn to fly just like anyone can workout and learn Martial Arts.... but not everyone does, though irl being able to learn to fly would be a better incentive than lifting heavy things.
Theres also Roshi who doesnt fly because the technique comes from his rival.
@@noxy4966 ah, my favorite justification. SPITE! :D
@@noxy4966 Why doesn't he create a new technique... Like Iron Man mini Kamehameha's from his feet
I mean Videl learned to fly and shes at least on par or under Hercule. Ki control is more of a mental than physical thing, its more like you have to meditate a lot and have more experience with it.
Same kinda concept , it still takes time and work to grasp it , but its not like something they have to maintain really and even the strongest person ever could not know how to fly and have trouble learning how to fly. because its not really about strength. Strength , mental power, and life force are what ki is controlling it comes to the mental side, getting stronger could be mental [like with Piccolo typically doing meditation training and Krillin and Gohans image training] or it could just manifest in the way Goku and Vegeta do, just regular physical training. But at the end of the day being strong has nothing to do with ki control its more of a skill.
@@dumbanimenerd4169 Hercule is still insanely strong compared to normal humans (that don't know how to control ki) I'm pretty sure he's faster than a bullet.
Wasn’t expecting this, thought you’d go straight to the android saga
ITS CYBORGS /rage /rage /rage /anger
@@Popikawaii android considering that’s was what toriyama called them…
@@mrpumperknuckles1631 true, but if we wanted to be technical then toriyama used the wrong term, at least for 17 & 18
16 was an Android, but 17 & 18 were just mechanically enhanced humans = Cyborgs
@@secoTheSonicFan Lol did you not see i wrote "if we are being technical" cause yeah, dragon ball isn't that.. I'm not arguing against anything, just pointing out a flaw toriyama made. no harm in that.
@@Popikawaii honestly bioengineered humans sounds the most accurate, even if it's a mouthful to say. They're more like Captain America than the Winter Soldier. Since they don't have obvious mechanical parts (other than their bombs) and their bodies are enhanced BY technology, rather than being REPLACED with technology.
Gohan is not 18 here, he’s 6 when Goku returns to Earth, 9 when Goku dies and that was 12 or 13 years ago. He’s at least 21 if he never spent any time in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
I doubt he ever found out about the chamber , since all his friends got murdered , including Piccolo , and therefore Kami. The only person , if we can call him that , who could have told him this was Mr. Popo , but I'm not aware that the two knew about each other at all .
I’m pretty sure he’s 10 when Trunks is born and the Androids/Cyborgs show up (and that’s in every timeline), and Future Gohan doesn’t see him again until Trunks is 14 and Gohan makes his student. So 10 + 14 = 24, Gohan should be around 24 years old, and (I’m just guessing here) 25 or 26 when he dies.
Did the mental math, he'd be about 23.
@@R.J.Godzilla81 Gohan is 9 years old when fighting Cell, according to the manga. He's supposed to be 16 in the Buu Saga, since it's 7 years after Cell Saga (the manga explicitly states Gohan's age at the very beginning of Buu Saga). Teen Trunks in the future timeline is around 13-14yo (the same age Present Trunks is at the time of Tournament of Power in DBSuper). That would make Future Gohan 22-23 years old.
@@WTFHAX93 but not in the anime
It's cool to see you finally start reacting to DBZA videos that aren't the numbered ones BUT whoever told you to watch this special before the Android/Cell saga doesn't know what they're talking about. This episode should of been watched a few episodes after Cell shows up because it has references to jokes said in this saga.
You need to watch the first 3 DBZA movies and the Bardock special (maybe both of them)
^ this. Figure out the DBZA release order and watch in that order.
@@mjp121 the sad part is they have it in order on there page
Aye! Watch some of the movies too they have call backs and are hilarious!
Yes siiir he needs to see Fusion Reborn and Coolers Revange
The 2 Bardock Specials
Dead Zone, World's Strongest, (Christmas) Tree of Might, Lord Slug, Cooler's Revenge, and Cooler 2 The Return of Cooler's Revenge: The Reckoning
Broly
@@youropinion593 they never did fusion reborn unfortunately
@@nitrogenbubbles4555 awww man😫
@@nerddwarf the bardock special one of my favs “I COULD SEE THE FUTUREE” 😂
Goku and Gohan were super close until Goku died when Gohan was 4. Toriyama kind of ignored what their relationship would be like post-Namek, though they bond in the Room of Spirit and Time before the Cell Games.
Gohan was 10 when everyone died, and this is 13 years later, so he should be 23.
He should be 9 it's between 22-23
@@Black_ReaperKai He was 11 when he killed Cell and this would have been a year before that.
@@The_One_In_Black He was 11 because he spend a year in the hyperbolic time chamber. He was born in 757 and the fight against Cell takes place in 767, so he is either 9 or 10 when he fights Cell. Biologically he's 10 or 11 because of the hyperbolic time chamber, but since Future Gohan never went there, he would have been 9 or 10, making between 22 and 23 years old
Edit: Looked it up, he was born May 18 and the Cellgames take place May 26 so biologically he was 11 when he killed Cell, officially he was 10 not counting the Time Chamber.
He was 9 in manga and 11 in anime.
Best watch order of the specials is release-wise; History of Trunks is, both in the original and abridged, something that plays out around the Cell games. This special hinges on running jokes from the Cell saga.
(you should have watched Bardock before Namek as well).
Fun fact the creator like this special and the burdock special so much he made them cannon to the story
Looks like he didnt like the Bardock special that much.
@@RealBased LMFAOOOOOO
@@RealBased To be honest he made the Bardock special canon for about a decade maybe more before having Dragon Ball Minus and Super retcon the special.
Thats why the canon vs not canon argument in dragon ball is so silly, NOT EVEN TORIYAMA KNOWS WHATS CANON god forbid Toriyama wakes up the wrong way "oh this important story event , retconned I'm changing it"
Hell sometimes he even forgets some characters exist.. [Poor Launch]
@@dumbanimenerd4169 it really was a decent story already. It served its purpose. But I am curious which direction they're taking him now.
@@RealBased Wdym by that first part?
I love how the chat went from arguing about Super and GT to just talking about how Bardock is cool lol
Depends which Bardock you mean. Cuz Special Bardock is a badass. But technically thats not canon anymore because they retconned it after decades with the dragon ball minus rendition of Bardock. And the new Bardock really has no badass scenes and the only thing we really see from him is sending Goku off then the final stand against Frieza except we don't see him absolutely wrecking his way through Friezas army and we see him with a bunch of other saiyans making what was badass about Bardocks final stand not badass anymore really?
This is why when people yell "GT ISNT CANON REEEEE" I'm just like bro , technically the Super Anime and Manga are done by two different people, neither are Toriyama, both get guidelines and basic plot points, thats all. ontop of that even in the things Toriyama wrote himself , if Toriyama wakes up on the wrong side of the bed really good scenes and plot points from the series that have been a part of the series for decades can just be retconned.
Tbh I think the healthiest way to go about canon vs not canon is the real canon, ended with Z. The rest should just go to headcanon and just whatever you want to believe is canon.
Hell you could believe both is canon just different timelines at the end of the day just enjoy the shows as they are.
@@dumbanimenerd4169 Super is confirmed to be the “canon” continuation of Z plus the amount of lore expansion and story expansion you really can’t say super isn’t canon
@@dumbanimenerd4169 Everything is canon in DB tho, just different timelines and continuities so they aren't canon to eachother but they are canon. Most franchises do this like Megami Tensei, Marvel, Pokemon etc
@@Seven_DB But Toriyama literally for a decade recognized the special bardock as canon to the main story, then decided "Nah Bardock a family mannnnn"
@@dumbanimenerd4169 yeah that part is true but as we see in DBS Broly they tried to keep that same essence. I still think Special Bardock is better tho
Monty Oum was the creator of RWBY and TFS was going to have him voice adult Gohan but he tragically passed away before he could start recording. This had so many Doctor Who references
Well you still need some battle power to fly, so Chichi could probably learn how to fly but not Bulma
Videl did, but TFS never did the Buu saga
@@TKnHappyNess facts, no matter how much we insisted. XD
@@UltimateGamerCC She never asked Goku to teach her how to fly. Then again if she did, we wouldn't have gotten that hilarious filler
@@TKnHappyNess yeah, but Videl’s battle power is probably higher than Bulma
Damn i LOVE Scott´s performance on that Gohan´s death Scene! Trunks´ Scream on his Super Saiyan transformation is SO emotional, one of his best voice works!
I think how they edited the scene combined with Scott's brilliant performance makes this my favourite version of trunks' ssj scene
Jack: asks a question with an ambiguous answer
Chat: /gives every possible contradictory answer for the next 20 minutes/
"Let's not argue the logic of Dragon Ball."
Best way to possibly enjoy the anime. Just go with the flow.
Also, this special is just perfect I feel. Balanced out the comedy of TFS with the serious feeling of the original perfectly. Neko is the best possible voice of Trunks.
To me DBZ is like popcorn, you know what its gonna be like every time but its still enjoyable. Nothing special either but enjoyable nonetheless.
@GLM Was referring to the Dragon Ball series specifically. Dragon Ball is one of those animes where you just go with the flow of how you feel at the moment and don't put in too much thought I believe
I disagree. There are a lot deep themes and character development in the dragon ball series except for dbs. Not saying db has amazing story or character developments but there is thought put into the material.
Gt is still garbage in mostly all but two ways…
@@kittydimples5717 they had deeper meaning in super… read the manga. The anime of super had less detail in it than the manga and the super series still has more development happening even now… literally there is like a total of 5-6 arcs and still going on the 6th arc right now. Soooo no super has a lot more deeper meaning in it and has far more character development happening.
Trunks in kakarot during the future events is using his kid voice from super
Might be better to watch the movies in order of release because some of the jokes won’t make sense since you haven’t gotten to that part of the show
Whoever told you to watch this before the season is telling you wrong.
I agree he should watch the movies in order of release I think this and the bardock special are fine to watch separate from the other movies and this was a good time to watch this special.
I mean anything in abridged has some things that don't make sense even if you watch it in order, like Bojack references and other things like that.
So glad you’re finally reacting to this, they really did the special justice and made it hilarious 🔥🤣
DBZA is so damn good, that I just consider it another dub at this point. It's intended as parody, but it drips with affection for the source material, and frankly, the dialogue is better and the characters deeper, while still being funny. It's something special!
I really recommend you watch all the movies and special after the series. They're so good
I mean none canon = bad in dragon ball fandom and the movies are all none canon and the only other specials left aside from the History of Trunks was retconned in the Broly movie, and in the manga. soooooo.
[For the record , not serious just making a point that something doesn't have the be "canon" to be good "canon" only implies the original writers main timeline of events. Its a little cringe how much the DB fanbase harps on canon vs none canon, just enjoy the series and think of it as different timelines if it makes it feel smoother lol]
@@dumbanimenerd4169 what do you mean? None cannon is better too.
Legend! So happy you're reacting to this to see the actual Gohan death scene while playing the kakarot DLC.
they did this one perfect and I'll never get over the fact you hear the Namek vegeta scream in this. 😂
That attention to detail is everything.
If I remember correctly it was the cell saga vegeta as well who screamed…
idk about perfect. skipping over Gohan's fight, changing his last line to be funny instead of emotional, taking out the scene of Trunks being chased by the Androids. the original is still better for this one but they did a good job
He would have grown his arm back, just like when android 19 impaled yamacha it healed him up
i think thats different tho, they heal whats there i think it would have just healed a stump, even dende can heal holes in people. just like he did for vegeta on namek
@@ryleeevans6211 No he's right. Senzu Beans heal EVERYTHING except for natural diseases and something that has already healed by itself. So a freshly lost limb WOULD have regrown, but after the stump healed over on it's own, that was no longer the case.
@@EskChan19 if thats the case eat half the bean, they split senzus before, i get it for movie reasons 1 bean means 1 eat. i know for sure attatching said limb and eating re attaches. i guess it shows how unlogical dragonball is if all he had to do was eat bean, grow arm back and fly trunks home to bandage him up.
@@ryleeevans6211 Half a bean probably wouldn't have had the power needed tor estore a full arm. It might have reattached the arm but the arm was blown to pieces so there was nothing to reattach. It would have had to regrow completely and only a full senzu can do that.
Jack, make sure to watch DBZ Abridged movies too! They're amazing!
SUper Saiyan hair = Light yellowish when not with aura, with aura = more darker golden
The default sort of became darker over time, though.
@@The_One_In_Black even in Majin buu saga their hair is lighter without aura. Darker with
YES IVE BEEN HOPING, you always deliver. I love your channel so much. Take care :)
Actually about the senzu bean it could have regenerated his arm yes it was a big sacrifice
After a certain point senzu can't heal wounds like that but it would be able to at the time
@@williamcartertindale11 the senzu beans were able to regenerate yamcha's chest that had a hole in it which would need to regenerate both organs and bones as well as muscle they can definitely regenerate arms and other limbs
@@megasuperhappy9889 his scar didn't heal. It was around too long for the Senzu to heal it.
The senzu have never regrew a limb.
@@genorem Its never shown to do that but its said a few times that they can. In the official manga adaptation of History of Trunks, Trunks even says "If only the Senzu plant hadn't died out, you could have gotten your arm back." And iirc Tenshinhan also says something about it in the Saiyan Saga when he lost his arm though I might be remembering something else. I think the only thing Senzu Beans can't fix is diseases, as shown with Goku's Heart Virus.
This special is some of their best work imo, easily the special/movie I’ve rewatched the most by tfs
Future Gohan was 22-23 during this time while Future Bulma was 46-47. This movie covers years 779-780 in the DBZ World. Gohan was born in 757, Bulma in 733, thus a 24 years age difference.
Piccolo: "Use the Makankosappo!"
Future Gohan: "...You never taught me that"
Main Timeline Gohan: "I'm about to do what's called a pro gamer move"
With the frequency at which you pause, it’s like when you get stuck buffering a video every 3 seconds 😂😂😂
When android 18 was beating trunks, someone in chat was like, "I can fix her" lmao
I love this special SO MUCH! Also Gohan is in his 20’s, and Bulma is a baddie, even in her 40’s
She says she is 37 in this video.
@@matthewkreps3352 she clearly lied about her age.
The thing is the flying of the time machine makes a lot of sense. Things on the ground change way more then they do in the air. So if u start from the ground u could find urself stuck in a bolder or something when u go back.
Imagine being mad at someone for calling them androids even though the show and games also calls them androids
Also the manga…
Yeah but only in english dub and english dubbed games, the japanese name Jinzōningen can be translated in many ways, like unnatural-, modified- or, like in the very very very very way to wrong but this time also correct english dub, atificial human which means android as translation is correct, most other countries used cyborg cause C17, C18 and gero are in fact cyborgs, C16 and C20 are human looking robots, so android would be the right word for those two 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe its just about how it sounds in the differend languages, C(ee)Achtzehn sounds perfect in German, C(iii)Eighteen in English sounds horrible against android 18 or just 18 😅
@@andreasm.2777 No.
Official JPN materials also call them Androids, especially now with DBSuper etc.
Monty Oum was a very talented guy in various ways and a big inspiration to many content creators who unfortunately lost his life.
If you want to check out some of his stuff look up Dead Fantasy and Haloid. Might even make good reaction content.
Was he attached to anything related to DBZA?
@@darkerkyo Not that I know, he was really good at animating fight choreography, dancing and just being a generally nice and respected guy.
So its likely more of a respecting inspiring/likeable person thing more than anything.
That or the members of TFS were friends with him.
@@arcadius3257 ah I understandable.
He didn't split the bean because the bean needs all the SPECIAL juice to heal the body fully. So Splitting the bean would just make you heal to half power.
26:25 - That was Vegeta's yell from the Namek Saga when he screamed after Gohan stole the Dragon Ball from him.
As you probably know by now, Monty was the creator of the series RWBY, which is something you may consider adding to your react repertoire.
Of all things, I'd have expected Jack to have seen doctor who, this has blown all preconceptions I had about him
If you listen carefully at 26:00 (or 18:30 if you watch the original DBZA video and not Jack's), you can hear Vegeta's scream from the past from episode 18 (4:54 to 5:46), and it's such a glorious throwback :P
The dedication at the beginning Monty Oum made a short animation called Haloid which got him hired by RoosterTeeth where he founded the animated series RWBY; unfortunately had an allergic reaction during a surgical procedure killing him. RoosterTeeth have honorably kept his series RWBY running since.
@ishinobi soundtrack you mentioned at 19:20 is from American Beauty, great movie. They used it during guldo death monologue too.
Great reaction as always. The thing tho is that you keep pausing and checking the chat most of the time and I know that you have to entertain people but by doing this you kinda lose some important lines or scenes and you'll be way less involved in the show. I mean in the final part of the episode, chat was arguing on who was better between gt and super without even paying attention anymore. So I think that you should watch it like the previous episodes without the chat and enjoing the show.
yeah I agree, he did pause way too much in this video
He has to copyright
@@austinseaman1913 Teamfourstar do not claim reactions
Trunks was going to die without the bean. Gohan would have been fully healed. Arm and all. So the problem with cutting the bean in half is that NOBODY HAS EVER DONE IT. And it's the last senzu bean period. You're not going to chance it working 50/50 on the last magical bean... you take the loss and you heal the dying kid since your wounds aren't as life threatening.
To give some context, Monty Oum was a well-known web animator best known for his work on shows like Red vs. Blue and RWBY (which he helped create). In 2015, he died from an allergic reaction at 33.
That was fast I literally watched your stream on this last night lol
Teamfourstar is so next level their voice acting is actually legendary imo
Jack you need to watch DragonBall Z Abridged MOVIE: Dead Zone before episode 31 as the main villain of that movie is in that episode.
7:39 going by tfs math, gohan is in his early 20s and bulma is pushing close to 50
20:46 for whatever it's worth, in the manga sources in the main timeline, whenever adult gohan is in his battle gear. it's in goku's style, but with piccolo's colors. make of that what you will
Seeing that tribute to Monty Oum... Dang.
I remember him all the way back from when he did Dead Fantasy, rVb and rwby s1... A tragic loss
Whoever complains about the ANDROIDS being called ANDROIDS aren’t real dbz or dbza fans 😂 it’s called the android saga for a reason.
But yes they are cyborgs haha
there's no android saga that was something funimation made up to sell more DVDs
@@SuzukiT oh really I didn’t actually know that, makes perfect sense though, there story doesn’t really have a close that doesn’t include cell so I guess it really is the cell saga, so is it just straight up called the cell arc in the manga ?
They are technically cyborgs, they are humans with robotic implants. The dub calls them Androids...
The problem is that the manga calls them Jinzouningen... which means Artificial Human... which is the definition of an Android....
So yeah, call em whatever you want, their naming convention was screwed from day one.
The whitish-blonde is the natural hair colour of a Super Saiyan. It just looks more golden yellow when the aura turns on and they're outputting energy
That’s the good thing about tifs they know how to make it funny but still give u the emotions, and feels while still making u understand the story and what’s going on. they know how to balance it out in a correct manner you could say
i feel like when team4 star did the serious moments the did them justice
Lol, there's always a debate between GT and Super. Personally, I like GT a bit more than Super because even though the show still has its silly moments, its more serious and characters are "smarter". Super is good with the scale of what goes on in the story as well as the big difference in power between Goku and a lot of people he meets but, its a lot more like abridged series in how they show Goku as "dumb" plus the power scaling sometimes just doesn't make sense in some situations and some fights though again, the show is still good and was incredibly hype as the episodes were released. There were so many people that gathered in one place to watch them and it was like people gathering to watch a world cup match.
Not even the power scaling in DBZ made much sense(and Jack is completely right, logic and DB are archenemies since pretty much forever) to be frank, and the only thing GT has really over Super was that it tried to be more like OG DB again(at which it failed to be frank).
@@gunchar06 Nah he's right, in GT Goku is shown to be a good fighter who is smart and strategic when it comes to battling. In Super he's pretty much just retarded. He still has a few good fights, but in GT he had a plan and fought with strategy. In Super he goes in swinging and if that doesn't work he loses.
@@gunchar06 it's too bad that you think that way about GT but I still maintain what I said about GT being better for me compared to Super. I don't really see much of the flaws that people see in it
@@armandeos I in fact liked GT quite a bit at first specifically due to it trying to be like OG DB at first, but it just couldn't deliver on that promise and started to mix OG DB and DBZ in a rather questionable way. Super has also many flaws(and the Super manga is mostly worse), but those has DBZ as well(rewatching the actual show instead of DBZA can destroy a lot of nostalgic memories tbh, and is one of the reasons why i still didn't reread the DB manga).
Dude, the DLC is so well made that made me feel how though it was for them. Escaping the androids was so hard that I was avoiding those damn radars like the plague and after fighting tooth and nail with Gohan only to have the last part slapped in my face made me toss my controller and start bloody sobbing
Monty Oum was a part of Rooster Teeth, he was one of the creators of RWBY and he did a TON of brilliant CGI work on Red Vs Blue
Also, Trunks' voice actor is Scott Frerichs aka KaiserNeko (One of TFS' co-founders and also, most of the time, head writer for DBZA)
26:51
GT is basically a filler series as it was made by the direction of the studio , but Toriyama had influence with it and was involved in it , kinda similar to what we have with Super just instead of Toriyama giving creative direction to the studio , he gave it to a fan manga writer.
Thats why I really don't think you should get too caught up in the "canon, not canon" thing just treat it as two different iterations of the same story.
GT is more of the adventure kinda thing with unique powers and an actually cool transformation. One of its major downsides is instead of taking inspiration from OG dragon ball with the adventure aspect to it , often times it feels like its trying to BE OG dragon ball.
Whereas Supers more lacking in the story and character department but has better fights and animation.
The argument between super and GT is silly, just enjoy both.
However I do think a revised GT with a source material by Toyotaro [the current manga artist for Dragon Ball] would be good.
And its not like the dude doesn't have experience with that part of dragon ball, he wrote his own continuation and made his own form in a fan manga Dragon Ball AF which tbh I haven't read but it seemed like an unofficial continuation of GT because it has super saiyan 4. And this was before he was an official artist for the series.
I think the coolest way to go about a revised version of GT would be to add elements from super but still keeping GT what it was. But I'd have to go into how super is rn and if anyone who hasn't watched / read stumbles upon this I don't wanna be that guy lol
"Super has better fights and animation"
Bro... Literally everything pre-Tournament of Power looks terrible. The animation is dogwater.
@@kingp260 I mean some animation in GT were literally repeats. So I get why people like it for animation and fights.
Its not the best thing out there but its still the better sequel where it comes from that.
better sequel for story is GT tho
@@dumbanimenerd4169 Animation in Z repeats too, especially in the Frieza Saga. Goku throws the same punch like 8 separate times over the course of his Super Saiyan battle with full power Frieza.
Finally, I forgot this series existed lmao
Lmao same
He really became the pause master
Ahh I've been waiting for this one!
He one of the dude that made rwby and worked with roosterteeth speaking of witch if you have not watch rwby you should it’s good the last a couple of season have been wonky but it wasn’t that bad with me but most people of the rwby community didn’t really like the last two season
3:04 People seriously get mad at you when you call the Androids... Androids? They know the term Android applies to cyborgs and human like robots like 16 right? The definition is literally just some form of human like robot which a human with robotic enhancements is as well as an actual robot made to look like a human.
The more specific term is cyborg but Android is just a blanket term for all of Geros creations because they're all human like robots in some form.
There are some many DBZA movies left to watch
We have been waiting, and we have been awarded
God. Think ya brought it up before but really do love how TFS keeps the comedic tone but absolutely do the serious moments justice when they happen.
🤦♂️ you were suppose to watch this after episode 46
I believe it was stated that senzu can heal any wound that hasn't already healed, but can't cure diseases, or regrow limbs that have already healed up.
The music is "Doomsday" from Doctor Who. Since Trunks is a time traveler like Doctor Who, they keep referencing him with sounds of time machine and background. Even Frienza with "Exterminate! Exterminate!"
You paused a bit too much in this video for my liking that it got a little annoying but it was still enjoyable to watch.
Whenever you decide to you gotta watch the cooler movies too, those are some of the funniest parts of all abridged
"Tonight I dine in monkey soup" and "I'll plant me a dumbass tree" are some of my favourite lines of all abridged
The time machine being a sort of spaceship was probably one of the smartest thing dragonball has done because if you think about it, space and time is interwoven. Earth 10 years ago wont be in the same spot. So an aerial vehicle could account for this better than say a car.
One of my favorite moments in dbz for my favorite character Trunks
Another thing Goku did and then probably didn’t do again: Telekinesis.
Nahh he did it again in super manga
finally i have been waiting for this! :D
I love how Vegeta screaming in the background is the most replayed part of the vid 😂😂😂😂
Goku can read minds after that too, he does it in the cell and boo arcs. Don't know why people always say it's never brought up again when it totally is lol don't listen to them. I've really enjoyed your reactions to these and it's nice going back through them
17 was a park ranger in Z before Super. He's shown giving energy to Goku's spirit bomb vs Kid Buu while stopping poachers.
The scene where trunks find gohan's body is by far most emotional moment i have ever seen in a series ever. That scene with that score always get me crying.
I think what that viewer meant by trunks is from the real timeline was that trunks future timeline was the original timeline where the androids came and goku died. Events played out how they were meant to. However by trunks going back in time, from the moment he interacted with freeza that timeline split off in a separate direction leading to new and differing events.
24:31 phenomenal voice acting on Kaiserneko's part during that scene.