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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Fighter pilot reacts to F-16 in Digital Combat Simulator. F-16 Fighting Falcon is an American made fighter jet. Fighter pilot reacts to F-16 simulator.
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Always enjoy dcs videos from those who did it for real. To learn the difference between the sim and real life and to get better at the game
Awesome thanks
A little correction. The one you are flying in DCS has the GE 129 engine. We don't have the PW 229 in DCS. Other than that great video.
Yes, but his comments about the -229 are accurate since the model he actually flew with the Thunderbirds has the -229.
@@RedRoosterParty No it's not as he's talking about the DCS viper.
@@Pukin-Dog When he describes the Block 52 engine/aircraft combination, he is speaking from his experience which was 2+ years with the Thunderbirds. He came from F-15Es at Mountain Home which also have -229s, so that is the engine he is familiar with. No way can he make that determination solely with DCS. Regardless, Block 50 an 52 are very similar in performance.
@@RedRoosterParty He's CLEARLY talking about the DCS Viper. it's a review of the DCS viper. . Goes to external view and says "it's a sweet looking jet - it;s loaded out with the 229". He doesn't say "I used to fly with the 229". He then goes onto say "it's bleeding energy too fast. He clearly thinks this IS a block52 with the 229 engine.
You literally didn't go back and listen at at all. He mentions the 229 and says the modern F-16's block 52.
Been waiting for this!! Finally bit the bullet and got an entire cockpit and VR for dcs. It’s amazing. Makes me want to get my civilian license now lol.
Epic!
Entire Cockpit, damn that is Epic! Which cockpit did you get?
Apparently if you have your private pilot license you can front seat an L39 at some place in Nevada. That would almost be worth getting a license.
haha that's how I felt when I got my first flight sim (MSFS) as a teen (1983). Sixteen years later, I DID. Go for it!
Thanks for the video. ED has done a tremendous amount of work on the Viper over the last year. I'm not sure if you're aware, but Mover was extremely critical of the module about a year ago. It's has some major flight model enhancements and system updates since then. Its good to see that their work has paid off.
For sure! The energy bleed off was not as bad as I had heard it was
@@MaxAfterburnerusa cool. I heard they F18 was bad a couple if years ago.
@@MaxAfterburnerusa it was about a year ago. I think it was around update 2.8 that it got a power increase and started to be a real pain to fight against
@@MaxAfterburnerusa ED corrected it because at lauch the Viper was bleeding so much energy
@@Takardewho is ED?
Brother, watching you in the seat and seeing the muscle memory every time you load G, very cool to see you plant your head on the headrest. Mad props on your military history, your skill, and always acting like a professional.
I'm sure others have beaten this into the ground by now, but I'd love to hear your perspective on Falcon BMS. It's a mod for an older F-16 sim that's been a long-standing labor of love for its developers, and if your interest is in the viper specifically and you don't care as much about graphics it's honestly probably the best way to go.
How do you know someone play falcon bms?
Wait because they'll tell you to play it instead of dcs!
All jokes good Sims are good Sims much love to bms
@@Hustler9g yeah no shit
Happiness is knowing that the F-16 Module in DCS gets a fighter-pilot seal of approval. Also note that we both use a webcam for head tracking. I try to put an hour into flying it every day...
It's best to take into an account that actual pilots view flight sims very differently than regular players.
@@ShadeAKAhayate That is very true, and certainly in the forefront of my mind.
I do fly sailplanes in summer, and design high performance flying model aircraft too - and, despite glider flying being the lest expensive way to fly, DCS is in turn the most accessible means of getting to grips with an F-16 (In addition to the stellar Falcon BMS 4.37 / Falcon 7.0-ish).
So if an actual F-16 pilot is sufficiently satisfied...that's a great thing to be aware of, and equally encouraging.
I like how you put the funnel on the enemy, and how you take the shot. Very informative, a good lesson on how to do it.
Thank you!
Greetings,
Jeff
Honestly, I do think Falcon BMS is more realistic. It may not fully implement absolutely everything an F-16 is capable of, but it does have a lot of flexibility as far as planning before every mission, which will be a big test in a dynamic campaign. it would be great to see a review of that if you are interested. I don't think you will be disappointed at all.
I will die of joy the day I see either Ryan or Mover play BMS.
@@gkky_ ikr is station's unfotanly I'm waiting on getting my gtx 1660 so I can actually run it smooth and I just bough a intel i7
Bla bla BMS... why? Go comment on BMS videos, who asked you about BMS? How in the world you see BMS as more realistic? The physics dont match, like there is no air. Did you try Viper in DCS? Stop spamming. I tell you something: If you have a trash PC and you want to get in, you go for BMS it cost 7 bucks. If you want to enjoy the F-16 or other like F-14/15/18 you cant go arround DCS, bombastic Graphic, bombastic physics and it looks way better, you feel the air under your wings. Stop fool other people, nobody will go and play a outdated sim. Dcs Dynamic campaign is comming, so what BMS?
@@ShqipeInfo-bc3ss I've tried both and bms is more realistic keep hating
@@ShqipeInfo-bc3ss I hope one day you learn about self-awareness, boy, it'll save you some humiliation. Thank you for the laugh tho.
I find it awesome you were happy the pilot got out. True pilot.
Absolutely. There’s definitely mutual respect among fighter pilots. Plus I want them to get in another jet so I can shoot them down again 🤣
I think it would be really cool to see you do a campaign when a good one is released! DCS campaigns are a lot of fun for me, since you have complex scripted missions, with briefing documents, voice overs, etc..
There’s one coming called “The Gamblers” for the Viper, and it’s based on an actual Viper pilot (think his callsign is ‘Rain’) and his experience in Syria in the mid 2010’s. It’ll be the first high-quality campaign for the Viper and I’m super excited for it. In the meantime maybe you could find a couple high-quality missions to fly? Maybe even in an older airframe? Whatever you end up doing though I’ll be excited to see it
Also, as a side note, I hope you try out VR soon! It might not be very conducive to content creation (wearing a headset while filming), but it makes everything feel a little more real, and it makes formation flying and especially tanking, much easier!
I'm sure you get asked this all the time, but once you're all used to dogfighting in DCS n stuff, you MUST fight Growling Sidewinder. You MUST! :)
GS would milk that out for weeks!
@@BlueSkiesVinny As he should!
@@BlueSkiesVinny and rightfully so! I'd love to see plenty of that stuff.
Although knowing GS, I think there'd be about 2-3 vids max abt this stuff.
He is a DCS Beast... in real he would colaps by 3-4 G, no chance in real. But in DCS he is a beast 🤣
@@ShqipeInfo-bc3ss I mean... yeah! GS is no trained fighter-pilot, so you'd think that's pretty obvious. And I don't see why you'd ever need to make that comment...
I have to say they have upgraded the engines recently. A lot more power! Great video. It is great to see actual fighter pilots having fun with this simulator 😎
I’m stoked for your breakdown of the F-15E
There's a DCS channel here who has done some videos with other actual fighter pilots, and apparently all of them seem to think the one problem with DCS is that planes bleed energy a little faster than in reality, so that seems to be a common theme with people who have flown the real thing
the fact your training shows through your shot is so cool.. your shots were precise and consistent!!
Would be great to see you do a team up with either "Growling Sidewinder" or "Longshot".
Love that you are using Tobii Eye Tracker! I love mine!
I really like your DCS videos. I started a year ago with the F/A-18C and the A-10C. Next i ll try to learn Harrier and the F-16C. Maybe you could show us some missions, where we could see your considerations you take during an attack and the different situations that come up
This was fun to watch, nice flying! Hey, as some others have said, you might want to turn up the gain on the pitch axis for your head tracking so you can look up more. DCS will let you look straight up, but your head tracker has to be tuned properly. You'll find it a lot easier to maintain visual on those bandits.
Another f-16 sim game to look at is BMS. It is a 20+ year passion project mod for the old school game falcon 4.0. It's often on sale for $3.49 ($6 full price so not bad at all regardless). The f-16 is fully modeled/detailed and has multiple fully realized blocks of f-16s. The one downfall is the graphics aren't as good- BUT! This year they aim to release a huge patch that updates all materials and graphics along with a fully realized/detailed f-15C (for free). Worth a look!
oh interesting.. I was having a look on it 2 years ago... if it gets some decent modernisation done, it might be very interesting.
Since they added VR to BMS, I haven't touched DCS. The dynamic campaign is still incredible 20+ years later. It's also more in-depth in many areas (like it has a functional ATC, unlike DCS).
@@theoldweaponstroop7441 I'm just starting to get into it. My buddy and I were laughing that it cost us $3.49 lmao I am really looking forward to their progress this year. Might be a serious shift in the war sim world. The people involved deserve it.
As you were a F-15E pilot as well, looking forward to your Mudhen videos when it's released.
You should dogfight growling sidewinder sir!
I think you should definitely try Falcon BMS v4.37. Wayyy better sim for F16
This is terrific stuff. All the effort you put into this is paying off. This is the Most entertaining stuff on youtube in my view. Good Job, man! Ai will be the next gen pilots. I'd like to see how you'll fare when you battle Ai as the pilot.
Thanks Steve! Just scratched the surface here more to come!!
Would love to see you have a take on Growling Sidewinder in a dogfight with the DCS F16-C. That would be very entertaining I imagine.
probably very similarly to when GS flew against Até. in that one, Até hadn't really used DCS before, was using the mouse to look around or something on his laptop, and GS got the first round. after that it wasn't much competition, GS struggled from then on.
Dont know where you served but I live under the approach for Buckley SFB (used to be AFB and an ANG before that) we get daily Viper workouts love seeing it get busy!
Love these simulator videos Ryan!!! So awesome to see it from a pilots perspective. 👍🔥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Can you do a dog fight? Or would that make you use like classified stratagies? Do you have to censor yourself?
Watching you play this is awesome. I always wonder the differences from reality.
Oh snap. I actually thought Falcon BMS might have been the simulator being evaluated here due to the title. There may be some snarky comments incoming.
I am a DCS player myself. But warning for ya Ryan, while Falcon BMS might have more advanced avionics replication for the F-16, it is not user friendly software to set up. Unless you’re a solid PC user guy, it will take some solid effort to get where you want with it.
I'm not sure if the "BMS user friendliness or lack of" part is valid anymore. It still has it's quirks, but once the Alternative Launcher became official BMS launcher it shouldn't be much more difficult to set it up than DCS. In fact it might be even easier, because contrary to DCS bare minimum approach, AL provides some sane defaults for most common flight sticks out there.
@@6XENO9 gonna call BS on this claim. I've tried to fly BMS substantially since 4.32 (+4 or so versions) attempting to use the alternative launcher when available, and use the other various new tooling to set it up and it still remains something that's never come close to fully working for me. The best I've gotten was the utter basic flight controls, and questionable if the throttle-idle-AB behavior was acceptably mapped. I see that the tool is supposed to be able to do it in some easy way, but it never quite works and behaves I need it to. I've read the READMEs. Controls are not saving most of the time, and they never are close to sane defaults for my very popular flight sim hardware (CM3, WW-F16 EX, CougarMFDs). For reference, "almost there" is nowhere if you have a full HOTAS + pedals. At the end of the day, you have to scan through just about every thing ensuring certain other devices are not bound to something silly.
I'm a software engineer with hobbies in video and photo editing, so complex software is not a thing for me. BMS tooling is a mess and a joke compared to DCS. I shouldn't have to damn near know exactly how BMS is coded to set it up and use it sanely.
PIO is Pilot Induced Oscillations. DCS is great but you should definitely checkout Falcon BMS for an even more in depth sim.
Getting closer with the head tracking. Some great vids out there on how to set up your tracking curves perfectly for DCS. Find the right vid and you'll have it spot on in less than an hour, and never have to touch it again. Crucial for the immersion to nail those curves and I cannot wait to see where you take us in DCS, SO much possibility.
Thx for the insight! I greatly appreciate this coming from a guy with this expertise!
That’s really nice seeing a real F16 pilot trying DCS, and like it.
But, sorry, a need to make you a question… what kind of head tracking are you using??? It looks really smooth, and comfortable.
Many thanks for this video.
Great hug!
Based on the way he is moving I'm guessing its Tobii 5, at least something similar. It's what I use so the responsiveness and everything looks similar to mine. People give it mixed reviews, especially for DCS but I like it. Especially since I don't need to wear anything on my head for it. I will say thought that I use FaceTrackNoIR to tune it instead of the native software.
Heyya! That tip on PIO is golden! Thank you ☺️
love the videos, i found you from being a growling sidewinder fan.. keep up the great content!
I want to try this game so bad with VR with the Yaw seat. I want the feel as close as possible. I have no idea on how to fly but looks like so much fun.
I enjoy your videos a lot. Thanks for making them for us mortals.
I’ve always loved the F-16. I know it’s not the most advanced or maneuverable but I still love it
Your gunnery skills are certainly a lot better than me Sir! Nice video! Stay safe - blue skies!
Yes! Keep the DCS content coming!
I'd be curious what you thought of Falcon BMS (which requires an inexpensive Falcon 4.0 purchase) which is a community driven F-16 sim.
Winwing makes a sweet viper throttle!
I hear fighter pilots talk about fighting in the phone booth. Would love to see that somehow
am i the only one who wants to see Max and Growling Sidewinder face off? i think it'd make for a hellacious video.
Impressive reflexes man, great job
Almost every military pilot that has tried DCS said, the air feels a little thick and you lose energy too fast. Did you ever get your rudder pedals working?
Dear Sir, splendid stuff. Many thanks indeed for your passion and support. Kind regards, Nick
I'm a DCS addict-I enjoy watching a pro fly it-I realize-I'm not a pro.
Awesome that your getting on DCS
SWEET Sixteen..my little sweet sixteen....F16.....ALMOST 50 AND STILL NO OTHERS MATCH HER!!!
This was a bummer. What I really wanted to watch is how you get in the control zone
You sir, earned a sub. Thank you very much for this vid, and also sharing some insight about formation flying. I always struggled with it in DCS, but i will try your advice. I love the Viper and Eagle.
I like the action and your commentary. You have my like and comment, sir.
Just remember this is not exactly a 'review' per se, just commenting on the action.
And regarding your past remark on reluctance of commenting on the radar features because OPFOR is watching, you can comment on any of the game-implemented radar features, just not your actual experience or actual documentation. There were several cases when tank crew members were posting closed documentation on the game forums (ironically, a Russian game forums) to prove their point in an internet catfight, and these people got in trouble. But there's nothing wrong in discussing how _game_ radar works.
there's a comedian named Bill Engvall that got to fly with the Thunderbirds. he told the story during one of his specials a long time ago. you should definitely check it out, i promise you'll laugh
Good stuff, can you compare this Block 50 F110-GE-129 beauty, in a clean setup how's his energy retention compares with a real one? Like for example in an horizontal STR maneuver near deck or 10k feet.
Good shootin
Excellent man spreading! Give those balls some air!
@growlingsidewinder needs to take notes on the gunnery. 😂
Hey Max, you should look at your headtracking software and set the sensitivity a bit higher. It looks like you are using the default settings which mean you move your head a lot, and the camera in the game only moves a bit.
HI, have you ever tried Falcon BMS?
Awesome content as usual, really fun to watch your expert insights. Keep up the great work and God Bless.
Great stuff, subscribed. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, looking forward for more videos!
I thought you were playing BMS 4.37. Nevermind😅
This is an awesome vid.! Love the growing channel. That loadout was nuts. How do ya'll train for the added weight of specific loadouts like this so you know how the bird performs with varying weights. Is it rather noticeable? Curious if they just load you up with inert ordnance.
You should try falcon-BMS as well. I have the feeling that one comes more into the real life F-16
Time for the GS server!! It’s crazy in there, best guys at BVR in the world (IMHO)👍👍
It's only a matter of time until there's a dogfight vid with Growling Sidewinder :)
Absolutely, The F16 Maneuver ability Is the best in the World. I'm guessing that's your favorite ?
F-16 is probably the next one I’m going to get. Squadron I’m with is carrier based and primarily flies F-18, but there are a few that have been wanting to do the Viper on some off days.
Funny, so many DCS UA-camrs keeps saying the models are not and that newer software simulation engines that are used only by the military for the time being are better and more accurate. You're going to have a
Field Day once the Strike Eagle arrives
Oh Man!!! I'm so glad you gave props to John Boyd! I'm actually developing a TV Series and/or Feature based on the book by Robert Coram, BOYD: THE FIGHTER PILOT WHO CHANGED the ART OF WAR, to which I acquired the rights to. I'm calling it FIGHTER MAFIA. I already wrote the pilot episode and currently pitching to the studios. The feature adaptation is a little more challenging, as his story is so epic. It's hard to compact all of his significant accomplishments. But it can be done. Thanks so much for all of your amazing insight. F-16 is one of my favs.
Yeah... might wanna check the other side of the story on John Boyd before spending too much on production based only on that book. LazerPig's analysis is perhaps a good start. I'm certainly no expert but what I do know is that he was at best a controversial figure.
@@grievesy83 Yes - I've done exhaustive research on Boyd from different perspectives. The book by Coram is only a starting point and serves to add value to the project from an IP perspective.
@@marcosantiago6818 I find it surprising that a person who has conducted extensive research into Boyd talks about him or the Fighter Mafia in positive terms. Pierre Sprey in particular was nothing short of a fraud, claiming to have designed the A-10 (amongst other aircraft) when in fact he had absolutely nothing to do with it. Boyd claimed to have designed the F-15, when in actual fact he proposed a ‘red bird’ alternative to the ‘blue bird’ program where absolutely none of his design changes were adopted. The F-15 then became the most successful air-to-air platform in NATO. And the OODA loop is over complicated garbage. The Reformers were self-aggrandising crackpots who’s ideas were stupid and virtually never implemented on any aircraft.
Near as I can find (admittedly without doing much research and heavily relying on others who hopefully have), the only references to Boyd or Sprey or any of that lot having ‘designed’ a fighter aircraft are Coram’s book, which was essentially a PR piece by and for the Reformers. There are no references to back their ‘design’ claims outside of their close circle of mates.
@@grievesy83 Boyd was a very controversial figure. Yes - he has as many detractors as he has supporters. Name one biographical character in life and in cinema who does not inspire debate on the facts, merits, or character, and I'll show you a three-dollar bill. I think you may have missed the point and presume to know the story I'm telling. Even the materials that I've collected from Air Force archives, as well as Boyd's efficiency reports that are part of the dozen or so boxes of research at Quantico, are not all in alignment. I'm telling a story based on interviews with certain principals, and authors who wrote about him and his work, including Coram himself,, as well as my own research in aviation history - from WWII through Vietnam and beyond, in order to place his story in context. So although I respect your option, you presume to know the story I'm telling without even knowing my point of view or the types of creative license that I'll be taking as part of the telling. It's a little more complicated than what you presume. And that's what makes a compelling story.
@@marcosantiago6818
Albert Einstein comes to mind.
I did presume to know the story you would tell but, to be fair, that’s only because you described it yourself: “… props to John Boyd”, “his significant achievements” and acquiring the rights to Coram’s one-sided puff piece on which your production will be “based” (quotations are your words, not mine). You didn’t describe a production using Coram’s book as one of many reference materials, even if that is what you are ultimately doing. I genuinely hope the principals that you interview are not just Reformer fanbois, but include people who were actually involved in the design and development of the aircraft. Red Bird vs Blue Bird is a case in point.
As I said earlier: I’m relying heavily on others here. I don’t know a lot about these guys, but the analyses I have heard are very convincing in their criticisms.
Spectacular content. You should consider flying or a duel with Growling Sidewinder of Grim Reapers ✈
Your delivery was spot on! Brilliant commentary there. As far as gameplay goes, you cheated. You're a REAL FIGHTER PILOT! 😂 Cheers! 🤟
DCS is not the best simulator for the F16, that is BMS Falcon.
Thank you for your service. I was in VF 111 sundowners f14 squadron many moons ago as a parachute rigger. I am working on my airshow demonstration in dcs world with the viper. When performing the 8 point roll, I am having problems with the nose sinking down in the middle of it (especially in the 4 point spot). Do you use some rudder deflection to the up hill to help prevent this?
Would love to see you fly the F-16 in MSFS as well. I believe it's not as accurate or as well simulated based on what others have said, but I do think it'd be interesting to see your overall take on at least some of the positives.
If you want to make your f-16 act like it should in your hotas response go to your axis control settings and with roll and pitch slightly work in negative curvature like start with -10 roll -5 pitch rudder is preference i personally dont have pedals but run a negative -3 on my rudders
Not with the 4xM82s and long jammer Neo. Cant roll it to the max nor turn hard that way. Jett that out and compare. Even to me it seems that 16 bleeds energy faster and builds later or its just a perspective thing. Some people would appreciate DCS perf comparison to RL. I think its underrated a bit. Give us some MP matches when ready just use alt name there cos everyone will swarm you as bees to the honey. Sense up that head sensor too. You'll need it.
Thought you meant BMS falcon but nvm
Damn second consecutive "like" on a video that I was 666, that's wierd. Would love to see you try VR and give us your perspective!
Nice Video... i am actually learning flying in DCS with the Viper. I learned how to start/shut down and land the jet. I am working like learning by doing and its worth the time. i actualy got all Jet Modules, like F-14/15/16/18 Mirrage, A-10 etc. I have no idea how much years it will take to fly all those jets 🤣
Those cannon skills....
Great video @Max, are you using some sort of face tracking to look around the cockpit? cheers 👍
You and Growling Sidewinder should do a collab and go a couple rounds
Would love to see some fight collabs.
I imagine the roll rate and energy bleed would be better without the 4xM82s and in CATI instead of CATIII :D
Yeah for sure!
Super realistic sim. Enjoyed it.
You and mover should do some dogfights for charity, great video amazing gunshots
Would love to see you Dog Fight with Growing Sidewinder.
It's probably different flying the Viper with a stick that moves so much.
oh so THAT's how the funnel's supposed to work.....
Are you gonna check out the F-15E when it comes out
try falcon 4 bms someti
Do you have a certain curve setup on your joystick to help with formation flying / precision? It's something I'm struggling to be smooth with currently. Is your joystick base the thrustmaster warthog or another brand? Thanks.
Nice video. Where are you resting your right thumb on the stick? I seem to be hitting the chaff/flare by accident on occasion...
I have it up near but not on the pickle button
Thanks for the Tips!
You bet!
Hey! What kind of headtracking are you using? Looks really comfortable without any clip on your head.
Love to see it
I'd love to see you fly some dynamic campaign missions in Falcon BMS! Not as much eye-candy as DCS, but it's a more in-depth simulattion of the F-16.
Honestly they've done a good job of updating the F-16 in DCS. If you were just jumping in and choosing one based on overall quality, DCS wins. I flew BMS for a few years so I'm speaking from experience. The 16 is lacking some features but 90% of pilots, maybe more, wouldn't use those features or would have no need for them anyway in the sim. Sure, the flight model needs some tweaks but overall it's rock solid, and looks good.
Must be nice to be back in the cockpit, even if it's a simulator.
It is, I have a ton of fun with it if you can't tell LOL