C.S. Lewis in _That Hideous Strength_ has Merlin coming back to Earth, and when Elwyn Ransom speaks to him, Ransom speaks of the Powers who are his masters, and that he must call upon them on an ancient language. Merlin challenges: "Let us have your Latin, then." "It is not Latin." "Then we shall have your Greek." "It is not Greek." "Very well, we shall hear your Hebrew." "It is not Hebrew." "If we must descend to the ravings of barbarians, (I forget the particular insult Merin uses)" "Barbarian indeed it may seem, in our degraded age. Not even in Numinor was it spoken in the street." "What, then, is this Numinor, that you should know of it?" "The true West." Clearly Tolkien and Lewis had discussed the relation between Middle-Earth and Arthurian legend, and it is reported that Tolkien was rather annoyed at Lewis's take on it in this scene.
I have 3 kids and they all want my books and records. The youngest (Arwen , yes that is her name and she is in her 30's) say it should all go to her. Sigh
Glastonbury and Avalon are probably the same place. Glastonbury is not an island, but in Arthur's day, assuming he existed, it was surrounded by wetlands,. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon#Connection_to_Glastonbury In 1191 the monks at Glastonbury announced that they had found an ancient burial, along with a leaden cross identifying the body as Arthur's. Unfortunately, there are several different transcriptions of the exact wording of the cross. Modern scholars mostly think that the "discovery" was a publicity stunt to raise money for the abbey, but there is no record that the monks ever took advantage of the "stunt". I have also read somewhere that modern archaeologists have confirmed that someone did do some digging at the claimed site. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glastonbury_Abbey#King_Arthur's_tomb Arthur, if he existed, would have been a Christian, Romanized Briton, fighting against the pagan Germanic invaders (who became the English). Regarding the theme of fighting a fight doomed to be lost, there is a scene in the _Iliad_ in which Hector explains to his wife that even though he knows that Troy is fated to be conquered, he still must fight. It is a very old theme.
@@TolkienLorePodcast The earliest mention of Mordred is in the _Annales Cambriae,_ which dates to maybe the mid-10th century (Richard died in 1199). It just says that Arthur and Mordred (Medraut) died at the battle of Camlann in 537 CE; it doesn't say whether they were on the same or opposite sides. The first explicit mention of Mordred betraying Arthur appears in Geoffrey's _Historia regum Britanniae,_ written in 1136.
I'm thoroughly enjoying your telling of some of the finest English literature. Be it from the characters with explanations of why and where to the writer was taking the story due to his experiences in WW1. I'm hoping to go through everything you've put out here on you tube. May I ask you a question about the excellent collection of swords behind your head. Also the sign from the prancing pony public house are they made by weta or some where else? King Arthur is an instant grabber by its story of his purity and the feeling of I'm no better than my fellow knights. If only politicians could be made of the same stuff. Keep reading its a way of freeing our minds from the every day grinde.
C.S. Lewis in _That Hideous Strength_ has Merlin coming back to Earth, and when Elwyn Ransom speaks to him, Ransom speaks of the Powers who are his masters, and that he must call upon them on an ancient language. Merlin challenges: "Let us have your Latin, then." "It is not Latin." "Then we shall have your Greek." "It is not Greek." "Very well, we shall hear your Hebrew." "It is not Hebrew." "If we must descend to the ravings of barbarians, (I forget the particular insult Merin uses)" "Barbarian indeed it may seem, in our degraded age. Not even in Numinor was it spoken in the street." "What, then, is this Numinor, that you should know of it?" "The true West."
Clearly Tolkien and Lewis had discussed the relation between Middle-Earth and Arthurian legend, and it is reported that Tolkien was rather annoyed at Lewis's take on it in this scene.
Got this book yesterday. It was great!
Congrats on 5k subs! Love your vids.
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Now I have to go buy another book for my kids to fight over
I have 3 kids and they all want my books and records. The youngest (Arwen , yes that is her name and she is in her 30's) say it should all go to her. Sigh
Really interesting, thank you!
Glastonbury and Avalon are probably the same place. Glastonbury is not an island, but in Arthur's day, assuming he existed, it was surrounded by wetlands,. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon#Connection_to_Glastonbury
In 1191 the monks at Glastonbury announced that they had found an ancient burial, along with a leaden cross identifying the body as Arthur's. Unfortunately, there are several different transcriptions of the exact wording of the cross. Modern scholars mostly think that the "discovery" was a publicity stunt to raise money for the abbey, but there is no record that the monks ever took advantage of the "stunt". I have also read somewhere that modern archaeologists have confirmed that someone did do some digging at the claimed site. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glastonbury_Abbey#King_Arthur's_tomb
Arthur, if he existed, would have been a Christian, Romanized Briton, fighting against the pagan Germanic invaders (who became the English).
Regarding the theme of fighting a fight doomed to be lost, there is a scene in the _Iliad_ in which Hector explains to his wife that even though he knows that Troy is fated to be conquered, he still must fight. It is a very old theme.
I just prime it I love Arthur and jrr tolkien sounds like it good
Sounds like it might have been (very loosely) inspired by Richard the Lionheart and King John.
I think the Mordred betrayal is an element of the story that goes back further than Richard, but I could be wrong.
@@TolkienLorePodcast The earliest mention of Mordred is in the _Annales Cambriae,_ which dates to maybe the mid-10th century (Richard died in 1199). It just says that Arthur and Mordred (Medraut) died at the battle of Camlann in 537 CE; it doesn't say whether they were on the same or opposite sides.
The first explicit mention of Mordred betraying Arthur appears in Geoffrey's _Historia regum Britanniae,_ written in 1136.
Have you read Tales from the Perilous Realm by Tolkien? I just found out about it today
I’ve done videos on some/all of them.
I'm thoroughly enjoying your telling of some of the finest English literature. Be it from the characters with explanations of why and where to the writer was taking the story due to his experiences in WW1. I'm hoping to go through everything you've put out here on you tube. May I ask you a question about the excellent collection of swords behind your head. Also the sign from the prancing pony public house are they made by weta or some where else?
King Arthur is an instant grabber by its story of his purity and the feeling of I'm no better than my fellow knights. If only politicians could be made of the same stuff. Keep reading its a way of freeing our minds from the every day grinde.
The wall hangers are all from the Noble Collection, though other sellers sell some of the swords I think.
Yea, sounds christianized. I like pagan Arthur
Which books are pagan?