Three things that I have to react to 1) "0-60" refers in most UT videos to miles, saying "3.4s" is a disgusting manipulation. 2) this is a Pro S version which means 77kWh battery. no comment on how many passengers this car can host ? I have just looked at the web page - nope, "technische daten" give no clue. But maybe they have redesigned the car to host five in the meantime ... 3) "I am sure it will electrify the masses". At 35kE, are you sure? And that is the starting price, you have to pay for any detail it lacks. I like the style, this wheel base (you might have mentioned the turning radius), but I think Europe has been waiting for Dacia Spring to electrify the masses, it is comming very soon ... PS. not only head-up display, the whole software is just a crap now, parts of the car not talking to each other. Everyone knows it, don't be "old fashioned" and accept that you can't hide anything in the world now.
Not every driver needs car capability to "launch" from 0 to 100km/k in under 5sec, with less experienced drivers it is even better to have more sluggish reaction of acceleration pedal, then why try to hide slower acceleration in intended confusion between 0-60 in miles and 0-60 in kilometres, which is never used BTW, only 0-100 km/h as far as I have seen in my life. I'm trying to digest - "if you want to be successful with e-mobility just like VW does" (starts 1:53). A bit of wishful thinking from VW side I guess, this gives me impression the review is more on the praise side, than neutrally objective. I was having higher expectations from ID.3, it is nice looking car, size is just right for European countries, but overall value proposition is a bit disappointing. Probably my expectations were too high.
Agreed. I think the price is ridiculous, the Plus version is 43kE in Spain and the Max is 48k lol. At the beginning of the biggest economic crisis, this car looks like a big fail.
the price is kinda steep for a car with performance that barely exceeds that of the Golf 7 generation. For me, the interior is just bad, the touchscreen steering wheel and climate controls are complete trash.
it is about 10k euros cheaper than a tesla m3. of course you can not expect a huge amount of luxury in such a competitive priced car. that will change over time when batteries are getting cheaper. maybe in three years they can invest 500€ more in the interior and have a better battery for the same price
@@stefanweilhartner4415 I wouldn't be so sure. Let's compare prices of Teslas made in Berlin to ID3s made in Zwickau. Currently neither are really available for purchase, so it is a bit difficult to say which one is cheaper.
Good job thanks for a nice overview. Check your 0-60 mph time of 3.4 seconds i think you said? if for kph then sure. but if for mph then no way is it that fast.
Really deceiving statement, borderline lying. Sure it can do 0-60... kph. That make it look like blazing fast. Especially from a german (where usually we talk about 0-100 kph), speaking in English (is or uk is more 0 to 60 mph, so the equivalent. I think this type of twisting of the truth is really not helping VW to succeed here...
VW are dreaming. Comparing the ID3 to the beetle. The beetle was a reasonably priced car for the masses not a €40k-€50k car for the few. Currently, the cheapest VW Golf in Germany (mark 7) goes for €17,325 in the most basic Trendline trim level with an 85 hp 1.2-liter TSI turbo engine. ID3 is nothing more than an image statement for purchasers not a game changer. You can buy 500km EVs in China for €10 to €15k.
Well spotted Max Mustermann! It was indeed a 1st Max. But as you can't order that one any more, we opted for the stats of the Pro S, which has an equivalent set-up. Hope it wasn't too confusing!
Too expensive ... Not counting cash incentive in Germany. A bit gimmicky. I was hoping the seat el-born will be different, and some people will prefer how it look. It seems that idea is cancelled except for the highest and most priciest model, may be almost 60000 euro. Electric car for the masses ? Nice idea .... But only in your dream.
Good point, haz 42. We are also really looking forward to seeing what the various VW subsidiaries such as Seat and Skoda do with the ID.3 platform. Watch this space!
The first 1st Plus with 62 kWh battery is going to cost 43.730 €, which is a lot. If you give your actual car to buy, you will have a 5.500 € discount from the government. Also, some rebates at VW, which I am not sure they are going to do it during the first year. 38.000 € it is still not a car for the masses (maybe for Germany and nordic countries, but definitely not for the south and east of Europe).
@@SuperLisandro86 VW has made so much noise and propaganda, may be indirectly, that they will be building affordable electric cars for the masses, made them wait for months in anticipation. Even now, some internet leaks news of affordable ID1 and ID2.
@@antonthompson7838 Again, so many misinformation about the pricing of this car. Just called the local VW dealer. He confirmed the basic spec. ID3 is 33.000 pounds, excluding the government incentive which is 3000 pounds. By the way, in Germany, government incentive is 9000 euro, which subsedise this car, effectively. The dealer pointed out that the top spec cost 43.000 pounds. Those prices are not for the 1st edition ID3. It is for the ordinary model that follows. Hope this is helpful. Thank you.
Saying that "it can do 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds" is a bit misleading, because you are actually referring to kilometers per hour. "0 to 60" always refers to miles per hour, so that's rouchtly 100kph. The id.3 seem to do 0-100kmh (0-60mph) in over 7 seconds.
@@DWREV I would prefer the 0-60 km becoming the norm as it makes more sense in the real world , given it's closer to the speed limits of urban environments where one actually starts from a stop .
I am disappointed you spread fake news about testing the Pro S in this video. 1) Pro S has no glass roof and furthermore you have the 1st badges at the side and the steering wheel 2) At 2:20 you have 265 km indicated range while your battery is still maybe 80 % full which does not fit to a 549 wltp range with the Pro S 3) At 5:02 we see 448 V at 94% fill, the Pro S does not have such a high voltage due to a different battery organization. So this is not a good journalistic standard and DW must improve!
@@Martin-dx5zs I think "Pyrofan97" meant that VW is producing more ID.3 cars than Tesla is producing all its models combined. Per month/quarter/year that is.
t kermi but it isn’t? They have only produced 30,000 ID3 and Tesla is producing just under 100,000 per quarter. The VW group have access to only 100,000 worth of cars for year one and are battery constrained.
I've been wanting to get the Model Y since it's a hatchback but they're close to $50,000 range which is too much. I've been thinking about getting Model 3 but now I'm waiting for VW to see what has to offer for it's price range. Like the style but technology, range, accessible charging stations and price is what's important.
My used model 3 is $51k so don’t think you can get a Y for $50k. Mines is a long range that starts at $46,990(new) + $1k for blue color + 4K in tax + 5k for enhanced self driving. Even if you get a bare one model 3 it will still be more than $40k plus $1200 delivery out the door.
they will get crazy high market shares in the next 3 years. the id3/4 and others that are arriving in the next years are very competitive. it shows that the average customer is 10 years younger than a golf customer. that is an indicator how their market share will expand. who knows, in five years they might buy ford
I am sick of marketing lies. A ppls car suggests affordability by the people, by no stretch of the imagination is this car affordable. This is in luxury price territory and thus only about 10% of ppl can afford it.
Hey gzcwnk, it's a really interesting debate you touch on there. If you take inflation into account, the basic ID.3 probably doesn't cost more than the basic Golf 1 did for consumers in 1976. It's starting price was 13,850 DM - about €34,000 in real terms. Interestingly, that's also about the average amount of money people spent on a new car in 2019... So the question remains - what IS a peoples' car (apart from a direct translation of "Volkswagen")?
I used to but a new car for my wife and myself every few years but that isn't possible anymore. Salaries have been reducing and cars are far more expensive now. I would buy it if a lot simpler and more basic and A LOT CHEAPER.
@@spiritualhumanist To be fair, even a Peugeot 208 electric starts at 30.000€... with less range and a platform shared with other type of drive trains to spread the cost. So imaging developing a new platform that is not going to sell as good as a Golf (which platform is used in a lot of other models (A3, Leon, Octavia)). Probably at this launch price VW is going to be losing money for a couple of years until they reach a nice amount of sales per year.
I Love your review and also your commitment to addressing people's comments. For me, I am super excited about this vehicle. I'm planning on this being my first EV after doing a lot of research. The software issues seem to be a sticking point for some, but the average car owner wouldn't even know about these, and it is unlikely to hold back the sales once it is released. As correctly pointed out by the reviewer, people want to get in to an EV and it not feel so completely different from their ICE. Some new features for sure, but a lot are put off by the Tesla approach. I would suspect this car has a better build quality over a Tesla too.
Thanks very much for your feedback, bluealgeblack! Also that's a fair point. Tesla's approach suits a certain demographic and perhaps VW will target this other market. Good luck in your quest for a new EV, we'd like to hear how you get on!
VW would be wise to abandon the 'sports car' monicker for the ID3, especially since electric motors by definition have remarkable instant torque. The early concept ID3's had significant LED lighting effects, including in the patterned indents of the vehicle skins. There is no doubt a good reason why production vehicles don't include that feature but VW might be wise to cede the dubious performance specs to competitors and focus on the LED aesthetics. American car manufacturers concentrated exclusively on drag race capabilities in the 60's-80's only to lose out eventually to the superior handling, comfort, and luxury of European and then Asian competitors.
I can't wait to buy this car second hand in a few years' time. For some reason this is the car that I find most appealing, despite some of its imperfections and I do think that it's going to prove quite popular in Europe
You want to buy a car where the battery is already degraded? At around 150.000 km you can go for a battery change wich will probably cost over 10.000 €/$.
They say GAS pedal and THROTTLE. Are they not aware that battery cars don't have either? Not much different to say accelerator, Power pedal or Go pedal.
Oh dear oh dear I sincerely hope the best for the ID3 (and VW)... and the rest of european car manufacturers.... fingers crossed we won't loose grip in this crucial manufacturing field...
The product manager is talking as though OTA updates are a new concept being introduced to the market by VW. Howmuch exactly is "a bit more;" 5, 50, 0r 100? I don't think 15,000-20,000€ is "a bit."
You're right. It looks like VW wants to give the impression that it has everything under control and it was planned all along. Now it's up to them to show they can match Tesla's OTA game.
I would love to own a ev car but the big problem is that it’s ideal to drive in a city or urban shorter ranges, but there is so few chargin stations at least here were I live in Copenhagen. It makes people as myself buy small petrol cars instead of ev. That is a big shame because i am sure a lot of people would buy ev cars if it was easyer to charge. The goverment needs to make legislation and economical encentatives for moore charging stations.
In Germany, they are trying incentives for buying evs but as you suggest infrastructure is still a major hurdle. Hopefully Copenhagen will see the need for more charging stations.
Please make an electric VW pop top bus, with fold out hammock, side closet, sink with water pump, and back cushion seat that fold out into a flat bed. I miss my 1968 bus and 1971 Westfalia. Heck just keep the same and beef up the engine. PS, I had added an after market oil sump, and oil coil with fan. Never had a problem with overheating thereafter. Now an old fart, I miss my VWs.
soon you can order 3d-printed pistons that are very light. that will give your old boxer machine more performance and efficiency :-) the oldtimer aftermarket will develop very nicely with this new 3d-printing tech. of course for now that will be too expensive but prices will drop steep.
VW probably had no alternative other than to rig their cars to achieve totally unobtainable emissions standards if they wanted to sell cars and remain in business. This car is the future though, I expect it will be a massive success for VW, with longer ranges and 4x4 GTi equivalents just around the corner. If I get one I will have to get the black bulge on the bonnet and the rear spoiler wrapped/painted same colour as the car, it annoys me more than it should.
After Tesla will complete a Giga-Berlin construction in 2021 what would be the point of buying VW ID.3 with 58 kW battery and not properly working software for the price of Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus?
for sure not in 2021. they have to ramp up the production for supplying the european market first. because the price is very close to equivalent ice cars, the demand goes up very high now
I am not a fan of electric vehicles but I would be fine with driving this one. I think that this is on the top 3 best affordable EVs out there, with the Renault Zoe and the offerings from Hiunday.
@@GowthamV07 yeah i know but that's because people like crossovers over here in the US, i just wish the US didn't live beyond there means and always wanted bigger cars that they can't afford, anyways but i am glad they are bringing something
@@AlexP-yb7gh vw need to sell many pieces in europe to lower fleet emissions. the price is very competitive, so they will be sold out in europe anyway for the next year
it does not look like a "game changer" i assume those that have ordered one can cancel it once they have seen it. I think the more astute will cancel and buy the better equipped and certainly better interior and the longer warranty of the Soul, Niro and Kona.
You could be right, John French, I guess we'll see when the cars actually get delivered in large numbers soon. With VW betting the bank on mass-produced electric cars, you'd imagine they'd done a fair bit of market research on the ID.3. Their "car for the people" strategy worked all right for the Beetle and the Golf, so we're all really interested in seeing whether this car makes people switch to electric in large numbers.
Ive not seen much mentioned about the operation of the associated app, I’m assuming they will continue with the WeConnect. From my own experience of another VW BEV, the E-Up, it is very poorly supported, making functions like precooling while on charge problematic. Along with problems of data synchronisation, ( mileage, vehicle status etc) between the app and vehicle, it certainly takes away from the user experience.
The original beetle was cheap, beautiful, and well engineered. This car is expensive,unattractive and well engineered. No replacement for the people's car yet
Less range than a kia e-niro, slower charging speed than a zoe, less warranty than a kia (7y). More expensive than both. Only 4 seater on top of range model.
The reasons are varied. Why do i choose a Honda instead of a Toyota or a Nissan instead of Hyundai and vice versa. What design do i like or is the price okay..... ? Do i need a bigger better car than my neighbor 😆, or do I not need a status symbol? Tesla is not really much better than the competitors, in my opinion. The have an advance from 2 perhaps 3 years that shrinks day per day (in big steps) . Tesla has really made a good job and the others slept. The sleep is over
Talking to your car is as pointless as talking to your wife/husband getting ready - you don’t. Do it. Unless you want to face frustration , forget the gimmicks that don’t work and give us a dial for climate, volume and tune, and windscreen wipers
When in USA? Love to see "WALMART" be the first to have about 6+ charge stations @ EVERY STORE in USA near front or side of store to buy say a 1 hour Charge! Walmart knows the Customer will have an hour+ to shop during the charge & we will know that if you go to Walmart to shop there here will be charge stations too!
I'd like to have one, but I'm afraid that the Finnish tax collector will slap this with a ridiculous car tax and road tax. Because nothing encourages buying cleaner cars than having to pay even more for them. So I'll probably get an old diesel Volvo instead, you know, for environmental reasons.
@@DWREV At this price, it's a no brainer to choose Tesla instead. Also, the software problem goes very deep and won't be solved anytime soon, it's a systemic problem.
@@DWREV it depends on the country, Im in Ireland so there would be road tax saving ~500 euro per year and Petrol is about 1:40 per ltr. I think there might be a 3K subsidy here to buy electric. I get the feeling though that all the potential savings are scooped up in the high initial price. I will test drive in new year, I guess I would need to love it. I test drove a Leaf recently and it seems like it would be a nice urban car.
Yes they can when giga Berlin starts making cars. Then Tesla will qualify for the same incentives that Volkswagen is getting in Europe no import tariffs. also mega casting machine and any other manufacturing efficiencies they can put in place on the new lines
@@linemanap that huge casting machine will save thousands on each car alone. @Stefan Weilhartner they dont need to reduce by 10k..... 5k will be enough to put a huge dent in the id sales.
4:54 you forget to mention that the price per kWh is €0.79... if you charge from 0 it would mean a full 77kwh charge would cost roughly €60, depending on which payment provider you use. Please be more detailed in your review “car journalist”.
Thanks for the feedback, it's a crucial point! We didn't go so deep into details in the video because there are so many options. Ionity really hiked its prices high in 2020 and have been heavily criticised for it. If you have VW's "WeCharge", you'll "only" pay 55 cents. With a subscription it's 33 cents. But we believe it's all too expensive and will hopefully come down when the competition is stronger.
I can see that the spec. is good for the 1st Edition but VW is only making 25,000 of those and they’re already sold out. After the first ones, the smallest battery pack variant are ok but for the price, it’s not going to temp many away from petrol. The mid and largest packs are over priced, compared to competitors. Though VW fans will always buy VW. If they can ever sort their software and actually deliver to customers; not just a few press cars for auto journos. Then people will buy the ID.3, just because it is a VW. However, the price per variant in base spec., is overpriced compared to ICE cars with a higher spec. Start increasing the specs. to being comparable to same size ICE cars and the price is simply unrealistic.
I understand why they made the front of the ID3 look the way they did, however I think it would look ever better if the car had the lower grill "C" lights like the eGolf/eUp. Maybe it could be added to one of the higher trim levels?
How can a company that is famous for making cheating software now have software problems? Maybe get the software cheat department involved in the ID.3 project?
This video feels a bit like a paid advertisement. Germans measure 0-100 kmh acceleration times ("von null auf hundert"), Americans measure 0-60 miles acceleration times. But you decide to use the very innovative 0-60 kilometers acceleration time without disclosing this. Also, do you really get 350 additional kilometers for 30 minutes of charging time? Lastly, the software has not been fixed yet. Finally, it is a bit unclear to me why you arrive at the conclusion that they will certainly get this done soon. Without wanting to be too harsh, it might be nice to make small "correction" video for the facts that you got wrong. I am not sure about the charging speed, but the acceleration issue certainly should be clarified.
Nop, definitely not for me. I don't like its design, interior looks cheap and weird.... to expensive for a VW and probably not in manual available. I will just stick to my trusty 116i.
Vaxo who measures 0-60 in kilometers? No one, 0-60 is standard for miles per hour, and 0-100 is standard for kilometers per hour. Not saying he was wrong just that it’s very misleading.
we Europeans in the last decade, think its really fashionable to be against our own companies and support any thing against them, even if just rumors. even the normal development of software (which is always complicated) is a major 'problem'.
We wouldn't share your choice of languange, but can relate to the sentiment. Buttons and switches are soo much more satisfactory. But we were born in the 20th century ;-)
It was a relief to hear a bit of well pronounced English, even if it was only shortly - coming from the ID3s navigation system... Please check the pronunciation: “reverse” please, not “reworse” 😂
Yes, k bundies, there is some English pronunciation that Germans have a lot of trouble with. V and W are unfortunately two letters that are pronounced quite differently in the two languages. Wurst Käse Scenario ;-)
A dufus looking car, but they managed to make the interior even worse. On the other hand, the price is high and the performance is medeoker. Seems like a winner!
To shatter every ones expectations, iv'e just got the financial details to buy pre-ordered ID3 based on 25k miles, £4k deposit you are looking at PCP £580 per month or if lease £589 based on 4 year contract. Yep may as well buy a Tesla model 3 and have £42 extra in my pocket. VW finance 6.2% !!! They may as well try and sell sand to the Arabs, but not this Arab.
I am disappointed you spread false news about testing the Pro S in this video. 1) Pro S has no glass roof and furthermore you have the 1st badges at the side and the steering wheel 2) At 2:20 you have 265 km indicated range while your battery is still maybe 80 % full which does not fit to a 549 wltp range with the Pro S 3) At 5:02 we see 448 V at 94% fill, the Pro S does not have such a high voltage due to a different battery organization. So this is not a good journalistic standard and DW must improve!
Well spotted on those details, and sorry for the confusion! The car you see is indeed a 1st Max. But as you can't order that model any more, we opted for the stats of the Pro S, which has an equivalent set-up. The report was meant more as a discussion of the "People's Car" aspect than an in-depth technical test, but you are right that we should have made that clearer.
ID 4 is already in Production in Zwickau although not shown to the public...so far...but it will be end of September. The Skoda Enyaq will be presented tomorrow 1.9, which is just a ID4 called Skoda.
$42,000 for a golf hatchback? 😂Haha... why would I reward a company who lies to the world? WAAAAAYYYY OVERPRICED!!! and the software doesn’t work... noice!
@John Edwards Are those figures in Canadian or Australian dollars?! The M3 is $38k($35k if you order the standard over the phone). The i3 starts at $45k. The Leaf starts at $31k (in US$)
@@richardlinares6314 Those numbers look too low to be Canadian. In Canada the M3 starts at 52,900, the leaf at 44,300, the bolt at 45,000. There is a $5,000 federal govt. rebate (I think the starting price has to be below $46k) and there are some provincial govt. subsidies as well.
"Each is equipped with ACDC and fast charging" So we can listen to Thunderstruck while we fast charge :D
Rock On!
Hahahaha
I will drive my Iron Maiden to the end of the Rainbow and charge ACDC.
Or Highway to Hell😉
Love the car though. I hate SUVs. I wish this were coming to North America :-(
It is
It is Eventually
Three things that I have to react to 1) "0-60" refers in most UT videos to miles, saying "3.4s" is a disgusting manipulation. 2) this is a Pro S version which means 77kWh battery. no comment on how many passengers this car can host ? I have just looked at the web page - nope, "technische daten" give no clue. But maybe they have redesigned the car to host five in the meantime ... 3) "I am sure it will electrify the masses". At 35kE, are you sure? And that is the starting price, you have to pay for any detail it lacks. I like the style, this wheel base (you might have mentioned the turning radius), but I think Europe has been waiting for Dacia Spring to electrify the masses, it is comming very soon ... PS. not only head-up display, the whole software is just a crap now, parts of the car not talking to each other. Everyone knows it, don't be "old fashioned" and accept that you can't hide anything in the world now.
Not every driver needs car capability to "launch" from 0 to 100km/k in under 5sec, with less experienced drivers it is even better to have more sluggish reaction of acceleration pedal, then why try to hide slower acceleration in intended confusion between 0-60 in miles and 0-60 in kilometres, which is never used BTW, only 0-100 km/h as far as I have seen in my life.
I'm trying to digest - "if you want to be successful with e-mobility just like VW does" (starts 1:53). A bit of wishful thinking from VW side I guess, this gives me impression the review is more on the praise side, than neutrally objective.
I was having higher expectations from ID.3, it is nice looking car, size is just right for European countries, but overall value proposition is a bit disappointing. Probably my expectations were too high.
Agreed. I think the price is ridiculous, the Plus version is 43kE in Spain and the Max is 48k lol. At the beginning of the biggest economic crisis, this car looks like a big fail.
The biggest elephant in the room with all of these manufacturers is no reliable charging network range anxiety is a big deal in the United States.
Yes, infrastructure is a big obstacle the ev market will have to tackle.
the price is kinda steep for a car with performance that barely exceeds that of the Golf 7 generation. For me, the interior is just bad, the touchscreen steering wheel and climate controls are complete trash.
it is about 10k euros cheaper than a tesla m3. of course you can not expect a huge amount of luxury in such a competitive priced car. that will change over time when batteries are getting cheaper. maybe in three years they can invest 500€ more in the interior and have a better battery for the same price
@@stefanweilhartner4415 I wouldn't be so sure. Let's compare prices of Teslas made in Berlin to ID3s made in Zwickau. Currently neither are really available for purchase, so it is a bit difficult to say which one is cheaper.
@goodfella21f Me too ;-) But happy to see more EVs.
I am yet to see a car interior that is appealing to everyone
@@partyboeller cheapest tesla (sr+) 43k, cheapest id3 30k
Good job thanks for a nice overview. Check your 0-60 mph time of 3.4 seconds i think you said? if for kph then sure. but if for mph then no way is it that fast.
Yes, correct, its km/h. We Germans can't really think in mph, but we should have made that clearer.
Really deceiving statement, borderline lying. Sure it can do 0-60... kph. That make it look like blazing fast. Especially from a german (where usually we talk about 0-100 kph), speaking in English (is or uk is more 0 to 60 mph, so the equivalent. I think this type of twisting of the truth is really not helping VW to succeed here...
@@fabk5762 Doh, you cannot go to 100 from a red light in town and Canada has km/h and english language, so there you have it. 😜
@@abraxastulammo9940 And Australia and NZ!
@@DWREV it's km/h not kph. Kph just means kilo per hour. 60 kilos of potato? If you're German at least know basic speed units
VW are dreaming. Comparing the ID3 to the beetle. The beetle was a reasonably priced car for the masses not a €40k-€50k car for the few. Currently, the cheapest VW Golf in Germany (mark 7) goes for €17,325 in the most basic Trendline trim level with an 85 hp 1.2-liter TSI turbo engine. ID3 is nothing more than an image statement for purchasers not a game changer. You can buy 500km EVs in China for €10 to €15k.
That was probably not a Pro S, but rather a 1st Max. Pro S has the bigger battery (549km WLTP) but it won't have panoramic roof.
Also it’s a 4 seater, not 5 (if you select the highest battery size)
Has max wheels I think.....hmmmm
Well spotted Max Mustermann! It was indeed a 1st Max. But as you can't order that one any more, we opted for the stats of the Pro S, which has an equivalent set-up. Hope it wasn't too confusing!
Too expensive ... Not counting cash incentive in Germany. A bit gimmicky. I was hoping the seat el-born will be different, and some people will prefer how it look. It seems that idea is cancelled except for the highest and most priciest model, may be almost 60000 euro. Electric car for the masses ? Nice idea .... But only in your dream.
Good point, haz 42. We are also really looking forward to seeing what the various VW subsidiaries such as Seat and Skoda do with the ID.3 platform. Watch this space!
The first 1st Plus with 62 kWh battery is going to cost 43.730 €, which is a lot.
If you give your actual car to buy, you will have a 5.500 € discount from the government.
Also, some rebates at VW, which I am not sure they are going to do it during the first year.
38.000 € it is still not a car for the masses (maybe for Germany and nordic countries, but definitely not for the south and east of Europe).
@@SuperLisandro86
VW has made so much noise and propaganda, may be indirectly, that they will be building affordable electric cars for the masses, made them wait for months in anticipation.
Even now, some internet leaks news of affordable ID1 and ID2.
Several analysis has consistently made clear that you can save up to 10000 € in fuel costs and maintenance in its first 10 years.
@@antonthompson7838
Again, so many misinformation about the pricing of this car.
Just called the local VW dealer. He confirmed the basic spec. ID3 is 33.000 pounds, excluding the government incentive which is 3000 pounds. By the way, in Germany, government incentive is 9000 euro, which subsedise this car, effectively.
The dealer pointed out that the
top spec cost 43.000 pounds. Those prices are not for the 1st edition ID3. It is for the ordinary model that follows. Hope this is helpful. Thank you.
Saying that "it can do 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds" is a bit misleading, because you are actually referring to kilometers per hour.
"0 to 60" always refers to miles per hour, so that's rouchtly 100kph. The id.3 seem to do 0-100kmh (0-60mph) in over 7 seconds.
Thanks for the feedback, we will make sure it's more clear in the future!
Just buy T E S L A my dudes
@@DWREV I would prefer the 0-60 km becoming the norm as it makes more sense in the real world , given it's closer to the speed limits of urban environments where one actually starts from a stop .
Could this be one of the most important evs made so far?
I am disappointed you spread fake news about testing the Pro S in this video.
1) Pro S has no glass roof and furthermore you have the 1st badges at the side and the steering wheel
2) At 2:20 you have 265 km indicated range while your battery is still maybe 80 % full which does not fit to a 549 wltp range with the Pro S
3) At 5:02 we see 448 V at 94% fill, the Pro S does not have such a high voltage due to a different battery organization.
So this is not a good journalistic standard and DW must improve!
Probably the most important one considering they are already producing more ID3s than tesla is producing in total
Pyrofan97 lol no they are not. There is 1 million Tesla’s on the road (the most of any automaker producing an EV).
@@Martin-dx5zs I think "Pyrofan97" meant that VW is producing more ID.3 cars than Tesla is producing all its models combined. Per month/quarter/year that is.
t kermi but it isn’t? They have only produced 30,000 ID3 and Tesla is producing just under 100,000 per quarter. The VW group have access to only 100,000 worth of cars for year one and are battery constrained.
I've been wanting to get the Model Y since it's a hatchback but they're close to $50,000 range which is too much. I've been thinking about getting Model 3 but now I'm waiting for VW to see what has to offer for it's price range. Like the style but technology, range, accessible charging stations and price is what's important.
i guess the 50.000$ that you are referring to is without taxes, right? the id4 will be at least 10k cheaper with the same range. that is significant
So basically you want a Tesla because nobody else has a charging network that is worth a damn. Model Y rear wheel drive in coming very soon 45k
My used model 3 is $51k so don’t think you can get a Y for $50k. Mines is a long range that starts at $46,990(new) + $1k for blue color + 4K in tax + 5k for enhanced self driving. Even if you get a bare one model 3 it will still be more than $40k plus $1200 delivery out the door.
Id4 is probably more important than the id3, because it's not a worldwide release as much as I wish it was.
they will get crazy high market shares in the next 3 years. the id3/4 and others that are arriving in the next years are very competitive. it shows that the average customer is 10 years younger than a golf customer. that is an indicator how their market share will expand. who knows, in five years they might buy ford
Ford is going down.
Very poor decision removing Herbert Diess as CEO. The man was a visionary!
He still is CEO of VW AG
He wasnt removed, he moved up...
@@nox5555 Demotion by promotion?
4:00 WRONG the ID.3 does not come in 2 different versions, the ID.3 comes in many different versions but it comes with 3 different battery sizes.
Thanks
I am sick of marketing lies. A ppls car suggests affordability by the people, by no stretch of the imagination is this car affordable. This is in luxury price territory and thus only about 10% of ppl can afford it.
Hey gzcwnk, it's a really interesting debate you touch on there. If you take inflation into account, the basic ID.3 probably doesn't cost more than the basic Golf 1 did for consumers in 1976. It's starting price was 13,850 DM - about €34,000 in real terms. Interestingly, that's also about the average amount of money people spent on a new car in 2019... So the question remains - what IS a peoples' car (apart from a direct translation of "Volkswagen")?
I used to but a new car for my wife and myself every few years but that isn't possible anymore. Salaries have been reducing and cars are far more expensive now. I would buy it if a lot simpler and more basic and A LOT CHEAPER.
DW REV - Cars & Mobility id.3 or any other “ for the people “ car needs to be $20-25 000 range. Anything more is luxury car.
@@spiritualhumanist To be fair, even a Peugeot 208 electric starts at 30.000€... with less range and a platform shared with other type of drive trains to spread the cost.
So imaging developing a new platform that is not going to sell as good as a Golf (which platform is used in a lot of other models (A3, Leon, Octavia)). Probably at this launch price VW is going to be losing money for a couple of years until they reach a nice amount of sales per year.
I Love your review and also your commitment to addressing people's comments. For me, I am super excited about this vehicle. I'm planning on this being my first EV after doing a lot of research. The software issues seem to be a sticking point for some, but the average car owner wouldn't even know about these, and it is unlikely to hold back the sales once it is released. As correctly pointed out by the reviewer, people want to get in to an EV and it not feel so completely different from their ICE. Some new features for sure, but a lot are put off by the Tesla approach. I would suspect this car has a better build quality over a Tesla too.
Thanks very much for your feedback, bluealgeblack! Also that's a fair point. Tesla's approach suits a certain demographic and perhaps VW will target this other market. Good luck in your quest for a new EV, we'd like to hear how you get on!
No ,not for the people. For the people the MGZS. MUCH CHEAPER AND GOOD.
That's an interesting point, Ruud Kraan. Let's keep an eye on it :-)
very concise information and introduction to the car. thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Oh dear, just look at all those triggered Tesla fanboys in this comment section. :D
LOL www.tesla.com/en_AU/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you I support anything #opensource. how about you?
Where? I’m a Tesla fanboy that wished the ID.3 was coming to North America. I think it’s a big mistake to not import it.
@@lwwells Yeah, did a ctrl+F and found 3 mild Tesla fanboy comments. The only person triggered here is PanzerKami.
@@richardlinares6314 It's sad that tribalism is so prevalent on such important issues.
VW would be wise to abandon the 'sports car' monicker for the ID3, especially since electric motors by definition have remarkable instant torque. The early concept ID3's had significant LED lighting effects, including in the patterned indents of the vehicle skins. There is no doubt a good reason why production vehicles don't include that feature but VW might be wise to cede the dubious performance specs to competitors and focus on the LED aesthetics. American car manufacturers concentrated exclusively on drag race capabilities in the 60's-80's only to lose out eventually to the superior handling, comfort, and luxury of European and then Asian competitors.
Thanks for your insights, Carolina Wren !
I can't wait to buy this car second hand in a few years' time. For some reason this is the car that I find most appealing, despite some of its imperfections and I do think that it's going to prove quite popular in Europe
You want to buy a car where the battery is already degraded? At around 150.000 km you can go for a battery change wich will probably cost over 10.000 €/$.
They say GAS pedal and THROTTLE. Are they not aware that battery cars don't have either?
Not much different to say accelerator, Power pedal or Go pedal.
Gas pedal is American English, Accelerator is the correct term in "English"
Yup. We'll all have to get used to these things sooner rather than later 🙂
Oh dear oh dear I sincerely hope the best for the ID3 (and VW)... and the rest of european car manufacturers.... fingers crossed we won't loose grip in this crucial manufacturing field...
The product manager is talking as though OTA updates are a new concept being introduced to the market by VW. Howmuch exactly is "a bit more;" 5, 50, 0r 100? I don't think 15,000-20,000€ is "a bit."
You're right. It looks like VW wants to give the impression that it has everything under control and it was planned all along. Now it's up to them to show they can match Tesla's OTA game.
I would love to own a ev car but the big problem is that it’s ideal to drive in a city or urban shorter ranges, but there is so few chargin stations at least here were I live in Copenhagen. It makes people as myself buy small petrol cars instead of ev. That is a big shame because i am sure a lot of people would buy ev cars if it was easyer to charge. The goverment needs to make legislation and economical encentatives for moore charging stations.
In Germany, they are trying incentives for buying evs but as you suggest infrastructure is still a major hurdle. Hopefully Copenhagen will see the need for more charging stations.
I notice there was no luggage space shown, because considering this is a ground up design aimed at family’s, it’s pretty poor
Thanks for the feedback.
Please make an electric VW pop top bus, with fold out hammock, side closet, sink with water pump, and back cushion seat that fold out into a flat bed. I miss my 1968 bus and 1971 Westfalia. Heck just keep the same and beef up the engine. PS, I had added an after market oil sump, and oil coil with fan. Never had a problem with overheating thereafter. Now an old fart, I miss my VWs.
REV can relate to that! Are you signing up for the ID Buzz?
soon you can order 3d-printed pistons that are very light. that will give your old boxer machine more performance and efficiency :-)
the oldtimer aftermarket will develop very nicely with this new 3d-printing tech. of course for now that will be too expensive but prices will drop steep.
VW probably had no alternative other than to rig their cars to achieve totally unobtainable emissions standards if they wanted to sell cars and remain in business. This car is the future though, I expect it will be a massive success for VW, with longer ranges and 4x4 GTi equivalents just around the corner. If I get one I will have to get the black bulge on the bonnet and the rear spoiler wrapped/painted same colour as the car, it annoys me more than it should.
For all you Brexiters and Americans he means 0 to 60 kph
After Tesla will complete a Giga-Berlin construction in 2021 what would be the point of buying VW ID.3 with 58 kW battery and not properly working software for the price of Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus?
We need this in USA!
Whats the actual life span of those batteries 10 years or 20 years ?. Thats my concern . Will you get 300 000miles out of them. I think not
You will, Nissan Leaf from 10 trata ago hace more than 300k kms and they work fine, and those were crappier batteries.
I hope VW will bring these models to Asia sub-continent Region as well.
for sure not in 2021. they have to ramp up the production for supplying the european market first. because the price is very close to equivalent ice cars, the demand goes up very high now
I am not a fan of electric vehicles but I would be fine with driving this one. I think that this is on the top 3 best affordable EVs out there, with the Renault Zoe and the offerings from Hiunday.
dang it, if only the ID3 was coming to the US, oh well maybe the next generation
ID4 will come to USA.
@@GowthamV07 yeah i know but that's because people like crossovers over here in the US, i just wish the US didn't live beyond there means and always wanted bigger cars that they can't afford, anyways but i am glad they are bringing something
@@AlexP-yb7gh vw need to sell many pieces in europe to lower fleet emissions. the price is very competitive, so they will be sold out in europe anyway for the next year
@@stefanweilhartner4415 yeah that makes Sense hopefully they bring it before tesla makes its hatchback debut
Soft/comfortable ride or firm?
it does not look like a "game changer" i assume those that have ordered one can cancel it once they have seen it. I think the more astute will cancel and buy the better equipped and certainly better interior and the longer warranty of the Soul, Niro and Kona.
You could be right, John French, I guess we'll see when the cars actually get delivered in large numbers soon. With VW betting the bank on mass-produced electric cars, you'd imagine they'd done a fair bit of market research on the ID.3. Their "car for the people" strategy worked all right for the Beetle and the Golf, so we're all really interested in seeing whether this car makes people switch to electric in large numbers.
Ive not seen much mentioned about the operation of the associated app, I’m assuming they will continue with the WeConnect. From my own experience of another VW BEV, the E-Up, it is very poorly supported, making functions like precooling while on charge problematic. Along with problems of data synchronisation, ( mileage, vehicle status etc) between the app and vehicle, it certainly takes away from the user experience.
Thanks very much for sharing your experiences, @Pip Stein! VW will certainly have to make its apps seamless if they want to win over the mass market.
The original beetle was cheap, beautiful, and well engineered. This car is expensive,unattractive and well engineered. No replacement for the people's car yet
expensive and cheap are relative terms. you get the same range like a tesla m3 sr+ but 10k€ cheaper.
unattractive is in the eye of the beholder. I like the look myself. And yes, it is too expensive.
He means 0-60 km/h in 3.4s, right?
Correct! Germans don't think in miles per hour ;-) But we'll be sure to make it clearer next time!
DW REV - Cars & Mobility It’s not a critique. I wasn’t aware Germans were concerned with 0-60km/h. This is new to me.
DW REV - Cars & Mobility if your using km it should be 0 to 100 not 0 to 60.
Less range than a kia e-niro, slower charging speed than a zoe, less warranty than a kia (7y). More expensive than both. Only 4 seater on top of range model.
why would anybody choose this over a tesla ?
Tell us your thoughts Loris?
@@DWREV I don't know that's why I am asking
Some competition would be healthy for the ev market, maybe give it a road test and see how it feels. If it were cheaper you might be tempted?
@@DWREV for 15k maybe but its not 15k and so far there isnt anybody beating tesla in value
The reasons are varied. Why do i choose a Honda instead of a Toyota or a Nissan instead of Hyundai and vice versa. What design do i like or is the price okay..... ? Do i need a bigger better car than my neighbor 😆, or do I not need a status symbol?
Tesla is not really much better than the competitors, in my opinion. The have an advance from 2 perhaps 3 years that shrinks day per day (in big steps) . Tesla has really made a good job and the others slept. The sleep is over
Talking to your car is as pointless as talking to your wife/husband getting ready - you don’t. Do it. Unless you want to face frustration , forget the gimmicks that don’t work and give us a dial for climate, volume and tune, and windscreen wipers
When in USA? Love to see "WALMART" be the first to have about 6+ charge stations @ EVERY STORE in USA near front or side of store to buy say a 1 hour Charge! Walmart knows the Customer will have an hour+ to shop during the charge & we will know that if you go to Walmart to shop there here will be charge stations too!
I'd like to have one, but I'm afraid that the Finnish tax collector will slap this with a ridiculous car tax and road tax. Because nothing encourages buying cleaner cars than having to pay even more for them. So I'll probably get an old diesel Volvo instead, you know, for environmental reasons.
That's a shame to hear.
To expensive, Sorry.
Tempted if it was cheaper?
@@DWREV These prices are for rich volks. Sorry
@@DWREV At this price, it's a no brainer to choose Tesla instead. Also, the software problem goes very deep and won't be solved anytime soon, it's a systemic problem.
@@DWREV it depends on the country, Im in Ireland so there would be road tax saving ~500 euro per year and Petrol is about 1:40 per ltr. I think there might be a 3K subsidy here to buy electric. I get the feeling though that all the potential savings are scooped up in the high initial price. I will test drive in new year, I guess I would need to love it. I test drove a Leaf recently and it seems like it would be a nice urban car.
Must important car that will never be ready
Delivering next month
Nice car and it will sell tremendous
I like it and I hope it sells, just cant see it selling more than the model 3. Especially when Tesla reduce that price to compete.
they can't reduce it 10k€
Yes they can when giga Berlin starts making cars. Then Tesla will qualify for the same incentives that Volkswagen is getting in Europe no import tariffs. also mega casting machine and any other manufacturing efficiencies they can put in place on the new lines
@@linemanap that huge casting machine will save thousands on each car alone.
@Stefan Weilhartner they dont need to reduce by 10k..... 5k will be enough to put a huge dent in the id sales.
You did a great job man but isn’t there a German word for “smartphone “?
We call mobile phones ‘Handy’ in German.
The price Inst for the masses that’s for sure
4:54 you forget to mention that the price per kWh is €0.79... if you charge from 0 it would mean a full 77kwh charge would cost roughly €60, depending on which payment provider you use. Please be more detailed in your review “car journalist”.
Thanks for the feedback, it's a crucial point! We didn't go so deep into details in the video because there are so many options. Ionity really hiked its prices high in 2020 and have been heavily criticised for it. If you have VW's "WeCharge", you'll "only" pay 55 cents. With a subscription it's 33 cents. But we believe it's all too expensive and will hopefully come down when the competition is stronger.
What is your height? Must be 5' 8" or lower, as this is one of the most knee rooms I have seen? Auto is great.
"the people's car"?
Because everybody can find £30,000 to blow on a car, right?
For an average spend on a new car, this is in the ball park.
@@DWREV I must be in a completely different ball park then.
Very nice Car.
Whats your iphone cover? It looks nice
I can see that the spec. is good for the 1st Edition but VW is only making 25,000 of those and they’re already sold out. After the first ones, the smallest battery pack variant are ok but for the price, it’s not going to temp many away from petrol. The mid and largest packs are over priced, compared to competitors. Though VW fans will always buy VW.
If they can ever sort their software and actually deliver to customers; not just a few press cars for auto journos. Then people will buy the ID.3, just because it is a VW. However, the price per variant in base spec., is overpriced compared to ICE cars with a higher spec. Start increasing the specs. to being comparable to same size ICE cars and the price is simply unrealistic.
Needs to be less than £25k to be for the masses.
I understand why they made the front of the ID3 look the way they did, however I think it would look ever better if the car had the lower grill "C" lights like the eGolf/eUp. Maybe it could be added to one of the higher trim levels?
I will be interested in this vehicle. Enjoyed you presentation.
Thanks for watching!
Regen wasn't really informative.. "one pedal driving just comes to stop"
3.4 Seconds ? Really ? Isn't it 7.3 ?
That's Kmp not Mph...Sorry that's not clear.
So in love with those rims
Funny how you guys sound that vw have achieved something amazing with this car. Also, you are a bit out of what the “masses” can afford I think...
This is not a car “for the masses” at 38k base.
A median one will be over 40k easily.
How can a company that is famous for making cheating software now have software problems? Maybe get the software cheat department involved in the ID.3 project?
Yawn
@@NedNew *"Yawn"*
You go girl!
Cool car but it will have problems competing with a Tesla Model 3 which is about the same price.
no, a tesla m3 costs about 10k€ more than the entry level model of the ID3 with the same range
0 to 60 in 3.4 sec?
0 to 60 what?
km/h
@@ivand911 meters/second
And 3.4 is wrong that’s the Tesla’s number. He should read up the facts.
@@teutone986 Tesla's number is 0-60 mph not 0-60 km/h
This video feels a bit like a paid advertisement. Germans measure 0-100 kmh acceleration times ("von null auf hundert"), Americans measure 0-60 miles acceleration times. But you decide to use the very innovative 0-60 kilometers acceleration time without disclosing this. Also, do you really get 350 additional kilometers for 30 minutes of charging time? Lastly, the software has not been fixed yet. Finally, it is a bit unclear to me why you arrive at the conclusion that they will certainly get this done soon. Without wanting to be too harsh, it might be nice to make small "correction" video for the facts that you got wrong. I am not sure about the charging speed, but the acceleration issue certainly should be clarified.
Thanks for the feedback, we will aim to be clearer in our future reports.
@@DWREV You could also add a correction or a popup box that shows at that segment of the video.
Cost to much it’s better to pay for Tesla model 3
Good honest review. Thank you. 🙂
Does it have hidden Diesel engine?
The car doesn't recognize your cellphone, the car is not ready to ship.
It just looks like a hamster.
Nop, definitely not for me.
I don't like its design, interior looks cheap and weird.... to expensive for a VW and probably not in manual available.
I will just stick to my trusty 116i.
Dude, electric cars dont have gear transmission what a Morón Lol!
Great looking car
How do you do a emergency stop! Control round corners with a single pedal.
Hi tattoodrdoke! If we understand you correctly - the ID.3 has a brake pedal too :-)
@@DWREV thanks that is reassuring to know. I'm keeping an eye on this as it might be my next purchase.
Range??
425 kms
Acceleration in 7.2 seconds not 3.4 seconds.
Thought that sounded off.
3.4 for 0-60 km/h not mi/h. Listen carefully.
Vaxo who measures 0-60 in kilometers? No one, 0-60 is standard for miles per hour, and 0-100 is standard for kilometers per hour. Not saying he was wrong just that it’s very misleading.
What "software issues" ? Can you NAME JUST ONE ????
we Europeans in the last decade, think its really fashionable to be against our own companies and support any thing against them, even if just rumors. even the normal development of software (which is always complicated) is a major 'problem'.
Google it Paulo, you'll find lots of evidence of this...
@@stephenduffy9370 "Google it"??? Is that your answer ? I beat if I "google" I also will find your an asshole !
no cheating device required this time. noice
Lee Tran , maybe they will cheat on the range
@@dmomcilovic9185 we have real life test on youtube ua-cam.com/video/ZH7V2tU3iFc/v-deo.html
How do you know?
The fucking lack of buttons. I hate it
We wouldn't share your choice of languange, but can relate to the sentiment. Buttons and switches are soo much more satisfactory. But we were born in the 20th century ;-)
It was a relief to hear a bit of well pronounced English, even if it was only shortly - coming from the ID3s navigation system... Please check the pronunciation: “reverse” please, not “reworse” 😂
Yes, k bundies, there is some English pronunciation that Germans have a lot of trouble with. V and W are unfortunately two letters that are pronounced quite differently in the two languages. Wurst Käse Scenario ;-)
Don't please criticise a man who speaks very good English. When you you speak German as fluently as he does English, then criticise perhaps.
A dufus looking car, but they managed to make the interior even worse. On the other hand, the price is high and the performance is medeoker. Seems like a winner!
To shatter every ones expectations, iv'e just got the financial details to buy pre-ordered ID3 based on 25k miles, £4k deposit you are looking at PCP £580 per month or if lease £589 based on 4 year contract. Yep may as well buy a Tesla model 3 and have £42 extra in my pocket. VW finance 6.2% !!! They may as well try and sell sand to the Arabs, but not this Arab.
When are you going to sell the Car in Morocco?
Good question! We just do reports but maybe you can find out from a VW dealer in Morocco.
Never
I am disappointed you spread false news about testing the Pro S in this video.
1) Pro S has no glass roof and furthermore you have the 1st badges at the side and the steering wheel
2) At 2:20 you have 265 km indicated range while your battery is still maybe 80 % full which does not fit to a 549 wltp range with the Pro S
3) At 5:02 we see 448 V at 94% fill, the Pro S does not have such a high voltage due to a different battery organization.
So this is not a good journalistic standard and DW must improve!
Well spotted on those details, and sorry for the confusion! The car you see is indeed a 1st Max. But as you can't order that model any more, we opted for the stats of the Pro S, which has an equivalent set-up. The report was meant more as a discussion of the "People's Car" aspect than an in-depth technical test, but you are right that we should have made that clearer.
how 35 for the masses? would be for the masses if it was 20 to 25 k
For the masses? People's car?
Volkswagen = Peoples Car
But the price .. hmmm...
0-60km/h in 3.6 seconds😂😂😂😂😂 60km/h? wtf? is a joke?
No It’s a Tesla competitor
Waiting for the ID 4
They can’t get the ID.3 off their own car park. Not holding breath on the next off the blocks.
ID 4 is already in Production in Zwickau although not shown to the public...so far...but it will be end of September. The Skoda Enyaq will be presented tomorrow 1.9, which is just a ID4 called Skoda.
$42,000 for a golf hatchback? 😂Haha... why would I reward a company who lies to the world?
WAAAAAYYYY OVERPRICED!!!
and the software doesn’t work... noice!
@John Edwards Are those figures in Canadian or Australian dollars?! The M3 is $38k($35k if you order the standard over the phone). The i3 starts at $45k. The Leaf starts at $31k (in US$)
@@richardlinares6314 Those numbers look too low to be Canadian. In Canada the M3 starts at 52,900, the leaf at 44,300, the bolt at 45,000. There is a $5,000 federal govt. rebate (I think the starting price has to be below $46k) and there are some provincial govt. subsidies as well.
forgot the i3. it starts at 44,950.
What about the price not the same as a new golf 10k more than a new golf
ABT - Anything But Telsa
"Committing 100% to electric mobility" ist vielleicht etwas übertrieben. Sie machen sehr gute Fortschritte aber VW wird keine 100% elektrische Marke 😅
Worlds best car 🥰👌
fail of a comment.
Glad you like it!
Only 2 Versions? Not 3 !!