Korg Prologue or MS2000?? True Analog or Virtual? Direct Sound Comparison **NO TALKING**
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2019
- The Prologue is Korg's flagship analog synthesizer released in 2018. The MS2000 is Korg's virtual analog synthesizer released in 2000. They share a lot of the same features of design as they are both subtractive 'analog' synthesizers, but does the sound of the MS2000 hold up to the Prologue??
I try to keep them as close as possible, but there is a lot to stay mindful of.
Which do you prefer?
This convinced me to stop synth shopping for a bit and play my ms2000 more. I find myself fawning over the synth I don’t have and forgetting to appreciate that the synths I do have cover so much of the same territory.
yes me too. i should dust off my ms2000
That’s sounds nice to have a Ms2000 cause it can do anything. I also have all Korg Synths. I use the MicroKorg and the Poly-800.
So glad I got a MS2000r last week...it is pure fun.
Very cool comparison. You’re really pulling some ace sounds from those two 🤘
Excellent to see this! Both synths sound great, but the cool thing is the MS2k is such a great deal, and the Vocoder I remember being pretty sweet!
MS2000 has one of the best vocoders in the game! Love the sound of it. It wipes the floor with the System-8 vocoder
Very relevant comparison. We're in an era where virtual analog gets no love from any of the UA-cam synth gurus. Yes, the Prologue sometimes wins on high-frequency sizzle & filter sweeps, but the MS2000 actually sounds more lively, beefy, and in-your-face 90% of the time. I come to that conclusion by listening "blind" as you played.
the prologue is on the bottom
Great comparison. Thanks! I'm a big fan of the MS2000.
Man. The MS2000. This is a synth that had some amazing sounds, was in everyone's music rooms for a very hot second, and then, it was gone, rarely to be seen again. When they came out with the MicroKorg, all I saw from that point on, for years, was MicroKorgs and very few, if ANY MS2000's. What the heck happened? You would think that people would have gravitated more toward the MS2000 because it had so many awesome real time parameters that you could tweak. I always felt.. hindered with that MicroKorg, it's tiny keyboard and lack of all the fun knobs and controls. Very few people I know have MS2000's right now and so many more people have those MicroKorgs. What happened with the MS2000? Why is it so unpopular now?
I just bought one because I can see the value this thing has in both music and as an investment. They are very hard to find unless you want to ship from Japan. I anticipate this will appreciate in value because of scarcity and nostalgia. It certainly won’t drop in value, that’s for sure. Can’t wait to play it and make records with it for the time I will get to spend with it!!
@@nilespeterclemens8328 The MS2000 is one of my favorite synths that I own. The thing is a noise machine!! And playing that thing live is amazing. And with all those wonderful knobs, the thing gives great real-time controls of everything. This is also responsible for so many happy accidents that occur just by... randomly spinning knobs. I sincerely don't know why this synth was... THE synth to have and then.. a few months later, it was just gone from consciousness. I've only seen ONE in a live setup in my life, while seeing dozens of MicroKorgs. Those things are everywhere.
Honestly. I think it boils down to price. If you want to tweak sounds & have more options, you'll pay more but most people don't that they just want decent stock sounds.
@@BlackburnBigdragon The reason is that there are both lazy ones & people who like extremely small portable stuff that don't care if the sound is little better/easier to program on a larger keyboard, they prefer the tiny one that sounds good enough, also not sure how many of the MS2000's Korg made , but they certainly ramped up the marketing machine with the tiny MicroKorgs as there were quite a few variants.
many bought the MK for the sounds, played it some, and later kept it just as a MIDI keyboard... the lack of convenient interface must be a big problem (didn't ever tried the MK)
I'm sticking with my MS2000 R... it still has many things to say !
Thank you for making this comparison. Saved me from getting a Prologue. Got MS2000 plus a MS2000R and looking to add something a bit different. Just don't know what.
Great video! Thank you
If you like the MS2000 you will love the Korg Z1 it has all the analog modeling features and raw sound power plus more exotic synth engines. I have also combined the Prologue 16, the Korg Z1, the Yamaha EX5R and the TG77 and I have a dream setup for all kind of electronic sounds. The Korg Z1 is a virtual analog beast, besides many more things.
With the Z1 I can control the parameters of the Proloque, including using the aftertouch, the expresison pedal and the XYZ pad to control several parameters of the Prologue 16, a winning combination. The four advanced LFOs per voice in the Z1 and the polyphonic arpeggiator (12 notes of polyphony in my Z1) are also interesting sound desing possibilities.
Incredible comparison. The MS2000 is a modern classic, and holds up very well to current poly's. The Prologue is also a great synth, with capabilities to cover so much ground. It's crazy that Korg hasn't released an updated MS2000 (maybe that was the KingKorg?) yet, but my Microkorg sits beside my Minilogue XD just fine until they do.
The sounds you get from 14:08 to 14:37 are so inspiring. You really know your way around these synths.
Thanks a lot for the kind words! I had a KingKorg and i didnt really like it. I think it just had a lot to do with the limited layout and rompler style features... but there was no denying it sounded great.
I would LOVE an updated MS2000 (they keep rehashing the MicroKorg so why not an MS2000 update? Upping the polyphony and adding some extras like aftertouch and it would be a real seller!
I read somewhere that the Radias was the MS "update"...can't tell for sure cause I never had one.
@Rhizosphere I find the Radias Engine (Microkorg XL, R3, etc) to be smoother and less aggressive than the MS2000 engine.... 8 voices is nice, and the engine capabilities are great, but it just doesn't have that unmistakable character and sound of the MS/OG microkorg series. I have had a few radias synths and I always trade them out for something else..... never ever my MS2000!
still have my ms2000 from early 00s....never selling it either
Same here
Here here, nicely nestled in its flight case ready for my son to get his hands on when he has earnt it
I sold my prologue 16 and instantly regretted it. Bought the Prologue 8 and run through the GFI Specular Tempes alongside my Pro 3. I think for an under $1k price tags the Prologue 8 is the most slept on synth...
I once had an OB6 and an MS2000. I no longer have an OB6. There's no comparison really. Let's face it--the Oberheims are "blue chip" synths and not just because of price. But...BUT...I've never had as much fun tweaking around with a synth as I have with the MS2000. That is until I got an OPsix. Korg just has a knack for making fun synths with deep capabilities that keep you engaged and coming up with sounds that aren't as easy to coerce out of most synths.
I'm genuinely surprised at how well the MS2000 compares given its age and its digital nature. Whack it through a high-end reverb and it could still do the business even in 2020?
I use a MicroKorg in almost all of my productions. indeed whit external fx, its based on the ms2000. still sounds good today
This video saved me money! I got my MS2000B back in the day, to replace an old MS10 that broke mid-tour. I recently got a Minilogue to play this filtery legacy leads. But, just after the warranty expired, the low end disappeared!! So I guess the old MS2000B will come to the rescue, rather than me spending on the Prologue. I do like it, but it makes no financial sense... Thanks!
I have a prologue 16. Due to covid lockdown, losing gigs, I sold my subsequent 37 and hydra synth. I kept my prologue.
I once owned an ms2000 but sold it due to timing issues.
I will however admit I did enjoy programming the MS2k.
I’ve been considering buying another one. Two Kong’s? Surely stranger things have happened.
MS 2000 ...more deep, more base, more original character. Prologue more bright, more high frequency spectrum, more flexible ....just my opinion.
The MS2000 has crazy bass
used to use ms2000 live. it couldn't cut thru the mixer. sound very background like. what great about it is controliability and its weird bright noise. those eq in its tank just couldn't help.
I think that the MS2000 sounds a bit tighter and that is why I prefer it. Cool comparison MR TUNA Music.
There are some moments with the fiter of the Prologue where I just cant deny it, but ultimately there is so much the MS2000 can do (despite its very limited 4 voices) that it definitely be the one I know I will keep if I ever had to choose
@@MRTUNA 4 voices can be plenty if you know how to use 'em. My Analog Keys gets a lot of comments due to a lack of voices and bass, well a few of my patches could put a tear in the fabric of time and space :D
@@starblindtv3988 I totally agree- but I love to play big stacked pads and chords with long releases and the 16 voice prologue just nails that! Still cant get enough MS2000 though
@@MRTUNA Currently I don't have the budget for a new poly (would like a Rev2 16) so I mostly refer to AutoSampling my Pro 2 in mainstage and then multi sample them for the Deluge. 4 osc's acting as one of the 2 sample layers can sound incredible fat :)
You can hear the point where the early-VA filter doesn’t take the audio-rate LFO as well as the Analogue counterpart. Which is its own cool sound, in a way...fried plastic, very evocative of the late 90’s.
Other than that, the 2000 held up rather well, I think.
The distortion on the MS-2000 is very unique and one my opinion one of it's best features. The biggest limitation of the ms2k is four voice polyphony
agreed! I used to have 2 MS2000s so as to have 8 voices, but the implementation wasnt the greatest so im back to 1
@@MRTUNA yeah that's too bad , I was going to get a second one in rackmount form for polychaining but it still great on it's own, and I love my prologue as well . Nice vid, thanks for uploading 👍
I don't have the Prologue, but I do have the Minilogue XD. I love my MXD dearly, but the next synth I buy will be an MS2000. Yes, in some ways it sounds less lively (without good use of modulation, at least) but I don't always want that warm smooth analog chaos that comes with VCOs (the subtle natural chorusing and minute drifting of parameters). That more exact, nasally tone of VAs can be super useful in a mix, and having something like this even in a studio full of analog gear would still be useful as it gives you a different tonal variety in the context of a full song. I'm quite excited to get my hands on it (:
I'm actually about to get an MS2000 soon! Have to say, the MS2000 sounds a lot more soulless on simpler patches, but it seems to be perfect for what I'd use it for, weird/aggressive/distorted bass/lead sounds. If I want a warm saw pad with big polyphony, I'll just use my Nord Stage 3 or even a plugin.
Ms2000 needs more voices thts it other than tht it is a crazy synth tht can produce some weird sounds on the fly forcing u to want to hit record b4 u move on
i had both, kept the ms2000. its more appealing to my ears, prefer the enveloppes. its also able to emulate a bit the charachteristics of an ob8
In my opinion the MS2000 sounds a lot flatter. the prologue is more lively.
When I was playing the synths I was thinking the same thing, but the chorus effect on the MS2000 is crazy deep and made such a difference
@@MRTUNA try out hammondeggsmusic 's choruses ( HERA and buckets) they are truely awsome and free!
Yes the Prologue in this video actually sounds as it had a chrorus on it and the MS2000 flat
Prologue sounds like analog synth (no wonder ;)) and has 8 or 16 voices polyphony MS2000 only 4 voice :( and for the price of used MS2000 you can get MinilogueXD which is better also.
I own and am a big fan of the Korg Prologue. For me it's the best sounding modern poly synth for less than $2,000
The ONLY synth that would leave me in debate (for modern polys in that price range) is my System-8. I would have a very very hard time picking between those two if I had to based on the sound.
@@MRTUNA I love analogue so that's why the Prologue wins but the MS2000 does sound magnificent too. For me though analogue rules and most of my standalone synths in my studio are analogue. It's a matter of personal taste though
MS2000 sounds not bad.
I have the Prologue16. Love it. But I have a question. When mine has warmed up after 10- 15 minutes playing, he starts sometimes playing some tones with a kind of subtone- 1 oktave deeper and noise. If I play a initialed Sound, after pressing the same key for 5 or 6 times, there is this bad Sound. If I press the Key again,, it sounds normal. He has the newest OS. I ordered a second one - same Problem. So I thought, it Is normal. But I didn‘t hear it in your Video. Yours sounds fine. Updated from 1.12. directly to 1.32 without 1.20 und 1.30. and than to 2.0. what do you think about it ?
Thank you for your nice Video !!!
Mine has only ever done that one time... it was within the first 15 minutes of starting it up and after a re-tuning it went away and I never heard it again. Sometimes before I have a chance to really warm it up, I can hear the detuning quite severely on 1 out of every 8 (or 16) notes, and a retune always fixes it. But other than very sparingly, I don't have any tuning issues like that- and retuning always solves it for the entirety of the session. I still haven't upgraded to 2.0 but maybe I will do that tonight!
MR TUNA Music thank you 😊. 👍
This is a factory problem. It is a defective voice. I have returned I new Prologue due to this problem and the music shop refunded my money. I have ordered another new Prologue and I hope that it would be free of this factory defect.
Wow, the MS2000 sounds more analogue than the newer, analogue Prologue.
Nice comparison! MS2000 is very powerful synth.
One of my first synths, and also one of my favourites
Analog lfo makes a big difference on my phone speaker
I cant tell if you are being serious or not but im going to skip to that part on my phone right now!
Analog LFOs are the first thing that gets cut because it’s obsolete and indiscernible. Nice joke though.
funny that the analogue synth has more voices than the digital synth
But the ms2000 is the same as the Microkorg isn't it? Is just bigger and with more knobs as far as I know
there are some small differences in features, but they are effectively the same synth engine. The MS2000 gets you the motion-recording step-sequencer which is a big part of some patches.
@@MRTUNA thanks!
And people say analogue is so much better than digital. Just more expensive IMHO although there are some superbly designed analogues on the market that blow away digitals. Has anyone ever even conceived a monophonic digital synth?
Suena bastante mas ''digital'' el Prologue, MS2000 tiene un sonido mas crudo, se siente mas potente.
The results are subjective in as much as each persons concepts of what constitutes a ‘good sound’. However, the Prologue’s oscillators and filter are objectively fatter.
That’s not to say the MS2000 is a slouch. I own one myself and would never sell it.
MS2000
MS2000 if you have the time to get creative.
Clear Winner is the Prologue! The MS2000 sounds static, flat, dead, one-dimensional, the Prologue lively, open, as if there was a slight chorus on it!!??? Detuning the Oscs makes the Prologue sound wide and dense, while in the MS2000 only produces beating waves. The MS2000 is bassier though, because of its static analytical oscilators the bass fundamental frequency is clearer
The MS2000 just sounds more robust.
there is some real grit in the MS and that distortion toggle is just MAGIC.... The MS2000 is a character synth in a lot of ways... it doesnt really sound super analog but it is big and mean and agressive when it needs to be
@@MRTUNA im thinking about buying an ms2000b as my first synth
MS2000 sounds like a vintage analog when compared to Prologue. That said, MS2000 is not the most analog sounding VA (although it can sound analogish), but Prologue simply sounds thin, fizzy and harsh, like very early analog emulation plugins. I can't believe this sound is coming from an analog circuit - a poorly designed one unfortunately.
Yup, IMO the Prologue is an epic fail from Korg. They need to get their shit together as their product innovation is sadly lacking. The single thing I really love about the MS2000 is the "Original" LED..!!! It's so handy for live performance and general sound manipulation because you can always put knobs and switches back to their saved position - individually..!! I don't know why this feature is not on ALL keyboards. I have changed out many of the LEDs on my MS2k to different colours and the "Original" LED is a bright blue, easy to see even in daylight.
Yup, IMO the Prologue is an epic fail from Korg. They need to get their shit together as their product innovation is sadly lacking. The single thing I really love about the MS2000 is the "Original" LED..!!! It's so handy for live performance and general sound manipulation because you can always put knobs and switches back to their saved position - individually..!! I don't know why this feature is not on ALL keyboards. I have changed out many of the LEDs on my MS2k to different colours and the "Original" LED is a bright blue, easy to see even in daylight.
Ms2000 sounds flat and less lively oh somebody else said the same thing lol