How Starkiller Could Fix Disney's Jedi Problem
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- Опубліковано 5 гру 2022
- Disney's Star Wars has finally started to find some home-run swings with shows like Andor and The Mandalorian, but is the lore missing something extra? I think it might be, so in today's video I dive deep into what makes Starkiller an interesting character to be added into the Universe and how the new Darth Vader and Ahsoka series play into his role in the Universe. Would you like to see Starkiller added to the lineup? Let me know!
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I really want Disney to do something, anything, with Starkiller. He's so cool man
Totally agree, he has so much potential
@@SpacemanSR It seems that Disney is experiencing financial difficulties. It would be great if LucasFilms decided to sell the Legends stories (EU) to the directors that you mentioned, as long as they promised not to affect the canon.
What if that's who the dark jedi is in Ahsoka?
@@1davejsutdave1 You are not the only one speculating about that. The stunt actor is the same size as the actor who would be portraying him. Will see tomorrow.
Um, no thanks. We don't need Disney to somehow ruin him.
They could maybe also tell his story in clone wars style, go beyond the third game, let his life, and bring him into Filonis Mando-Verse as the actual actor. Would kinda work age wise and you can overlook some of his powers because it's an animation.
For me, Starkiller doesn't even have to be "ripping Star Destroyers out of the sky and kicking Vader's ass" level powerful. Make him as strong as like Ahsoka, Maul, or Count Dooku, with room to grow. That way Vader will still be a domineering and threatening presence, while still allowing for fun opportunities like Starkiller ragdolling Inquisitors. For me, all of that is secondary to just having Starkiller's amazing story being told.
Starkiller ripping a Star destroyer out of the sky isn't even that crazy when you remember the insane shit Vader and Sidious has done in canon.
One thing I thought that could have worked, was keep the Inquisitors, but have Galen be Vader's personal weapon, loyal to Vader, not Sidius or the Empire. Since Galen was sent on "scorched Earth" policy missions, that would still work. Even Inquisitors would not be safe from him, should the need arise. But still not strong enough to match Vader (not yet).
I love this idea
it's sad how we never got to see the 3rd installment of the Starkliller game before disney butchered the franchise :( would have liked to see him and Vadar go on a buddy cop adventure to deal with some shit that may or may not have set up the events of Yuzen Von and whatnot ~
I really thought we might see a 3rd Force Unleashed title before the modern age of gaming kicked in in like 2015. There was so much more to be explored and developed after the sequel, easily one of the most hype characters in the Extended Universe that didnt get his moment to shine! I hope Disney uses him in the future
I think Disney didn't butcher the franchise. JJ Abrams DID!
But I agree with you, its sad that we didn't got to see a 3rd Force Unleshed game, becaus I loved them as a kid and still do. Until now I think I played them around 10-15 times.
I would be worried fans would reject starkiller if they changed his character too much. Which I feel Disney will have to do in order to have him fit into the new cannon.
Honestly, I think changing Starkiller is for the better. Much as I like him, Starkiller himself…is bland. Like, the personality equivalent of a white bread sandwich. ‘Vader’s secret apprentice ‘ is what matters, not necessarily the guy underneath.
@@goroakechi6126 really disagree. Hes a refreshing change of pace from the every character is comedy relief approach disney takes. Hes a deep thoughtful traumatised character who contextualises and parralles vader really nicely. I really think he fits into cannon pretty easily how he is, if he decideds to disappear with juno after vader inevitably escapes after the events of the second game. Would even be a really cool little flicker of light if vader decides to spare him and allow him to disappear with juno, almost as a peecurser to the events of the original trilogy. Its all teed up so nicely.
@@brandonmichael5891 Completely disagree, he was always so bland for the fact being he took away Luke's spotlight in that Era. Vader should've destroyed him which is why George never liked the character of Starkiller since he was too easily able to beat Vader, if they changed him to have him under Vader's level then I believe that works and solves one of the biggest plotholes.
@@omega9270 Theres ways around those issues though. Having galen dissapear with juno and play no part in the rebellion works for his character. The idea that characters cant be introduced out of fear of outshining the existing ones is the main reason for the missteps with every film following the originals . The obsession with the originl characters really holds the franchise back imo. Like imagine luke and galen interacting, theyre literally opposite sides of the same coin. It would be such an interesting dynamic. I feel as though georges ego has held back star wars for years
I absolutely agree! Also amazing video and couldn’t believe this was made by a small channel! Excellent job! You deserve a bigger audience!
This comment truly means the world to me, thank you for checking out my video! I hope we get to see Starkiller on the big screen soon
@@SpacemanSR ❤️
With people seeing how incredibly dark and cruel empire is in Vader's ending in Rogue One, and also in Andor, introducing a main character being controlled by Vader and being cruel would be interesting to see.
100% agree! I’d love to see a dark take on StarKiller
@@SpacemanSR yeah, but I think that a groundhog day kind of thing, where we see different missions in each episode, where Starkiller whinks he is the same person, but we see that he doesn't recognize other people, while they recognize him, would be nice as a fanservice, with just separete tales with awesome and epic action scenes. But as a serious storytelling show I don't think that would work. But I am no screenwriter, so maybe a talented writer could actually make that work! If I was to write him, I would introduce him for example in 2nd season of Visions, to see if people are still interested in his story. Then he could have an appearance in 2nd season of Andor, a brief one. But I don't know if they would want to put him as a main character of a new show, if they are focusing on continuing existing stories for now only.
Even if he shows up as a cameo for one episode of something, and he's an unstoppable threat. I want him so bad it was cool af seeing his helmet in andor
Plus despite Sam being 45 he's still in great shape and could certainly look like classic starkiller with makeup and maybe even slight de aging, if he never shows up at least one in live action I'll die sad
I think it's not the problem of visualizing his powers but more that his characters powers would "break" canon.
Thats kinda where I went into talking about how to keep him as a fringe character who explores vast new worlds and operates in his own pocket as to not disrupt the main timeline in a big way. I just wanna see him in live action!
@@SpacemanSR I think it’s also not the problem that he is interacting with other characters but more that a character like him exists at all. Pulling the star destroyer down, vaporizing stormtroopers with a force shockwave and beating vader and the emperor in a battle. He would raise the bar of possible force powers over 9000. That being said: I also want so see him. Sam Witwer is great
@@ryvlaw they can do him not that powerfull, his powers are exagerated for the sake of videogame fun. But he can have the same backstory as a secret weapon of Darth Vader.
If him is introduced at some point into the canon I think they will change all the cloning part because of the Grogu-Snoke-Palpatine plot they're doing/fixing.
Honestly Starkiller using all his power pulling a heavily damaged star destroyer out the sky is nothing if you think about some of the bad shit insane things Vader and Sidious has done in canon... Sidious literally pulled a freaking fleet of them out the ground and into orbit and almost destroyed another fleet with force lightning not even using half his power. And Vader has destroyed "the wall" between life and death just so he could see Padme again.😮😂 And Starkiller was trained by one to potentiely kill the other. 😅
Dylan obrian as starkiller would be crazy.
Sam Witwer is only 45 years old.
He can fill any role from teenager to old man with enough makeup and he has the skill to do it.
And not to speak of all the AI faceswap thats now possible..
But no matter what comes SAM deserves to be the one to portray Starkiller. If its anyone else I will not watch it.
There is the empire researching cloning plot in bad batch. Although it’s assumed to explain snoke bullshite, it could also lead into starkiller.
Personally I think Starkiller would work way better as a villain for the sequel to Jedi Survivor than in a show or movie. I just think it would be a great opportunity to bring him back in a video game and have him square off against his spiritual successor. Not to mention with Cal growing towards the darkside Starkiller would make a great parallel to him as he himself grew towards the light plus at the end of the game you could have them both square off against vader and it would probably result in one of the most cathartic moments in gaming.
Thats honestly along the lines of what I think they should do as well, since he is a video game charector bringing him into another game voiced by sam would be great
Like a lot of people in the comments have pointed out, Starkiller doesn’t need to be as op as he is in the games to feel like Starkiller.
All that’s important is that he has a unique and strong connection with the force, and a very close yet very strained relationship with Vader in a way no one else in the Empire does, and it’ll feel like StarKiller.
Now, as to how to actually introduce Starkiller into Disney cannon, I don’t really think he works as just an inquisitor either. For one, Vader hated the inquisitors and saw them as a threat to his standing with Palpatine, so doing that would kind of strip away the opportunity to portray the dynamic between the two that I already said was vital to his character feeling right. What I would do is keep the whole backstory with Vader finding him on Kashiek after killing his father in front of him. Vader then trains him in secret until he’s old enough to join the inquisitors, and is tasked with destroying them from the inside slowly. This would actually work as a great explanation for what happened to the inquisitors between episodes 3 and 4.
Just think about it, a dark side focused show that’s centered around the inner politics and rocky relationships between the inquisitors (that we already saw established in Obi Wan) as they hunt down different Jedi. Throughout the show there’s one inquisitor that doesn’t talk and wears a mask (potentially designed to look similar to the mask Starkiller wears in the dark side ending as a reference) and in general seems to intentionally blend into the background and stay out of the conflict between the other Inquisitors, which isn’t hard to do since they’re all so focused on themselves and their own pursuits of power. Then, during one episode, after he and another inquisitor have wrapped up a mission together, it ends with him stabbing them through the back with his lightsaber. He then removes his mask and calls Vader to let him know that the job is done or something. So then the rest of the show u get this really interesting conflict where StarKiller has to continue to keep his connections to Vader and their plans a secret while trying to take out the others. Maybe the show is even a bait-n-switch where it’s marketed as this show about the inquisitors, but once Starkiller reveals himself the perspective switches and it turns out he’s actually the shows focus. Add some flashbacks showing his training with Vader and maybe even Proxy in between these high tension scenes of him trying to maintain his cover, and I think you’d have great Starkiller show that works well in Disney Cannon while still staying true to the character.
As for the “having a unique and strong connection to the force thing” thing i mentioned earlier, another idea I had was that maybe he’s some sort of reincarnation of the brother from the Mortis arch. Parallels between the sister and Ashoka were already drawn in TCW. And sense Galen and his relationship with Vader is something of a dark reflection of Ashoka and her relationship with Anakin, officially drawing those parallels between them all would make a lot of sense imo. They’re both characters that are meant to answer the question “What if Anakin Skywalker/Vader did get to raise a child.”
Plus it helps that Sam Witwer already plays the brother and Starkiller lol. Also Filoni clearly has big plans for the world between worlds and the associating lore with Mortis, soooo…just saying, the dots are there, Disney just needs to make Starkiller cannon so we can connect them.
Actually, If they make a second 2 of Ashoka I feel like this would be a great story for it. Also, doing any of this after the og trilogy just works better imo, as it could take place after the release of Starkiller’s own potential show so when he shows up in Ashoka S2 he’s already been established in the eyes of more casual fans who might not know who he is otherwise. Plus, that then opens the door for this really interesting dynamic between Ashoka and Starkiller, as it’s after Vaders death and could focus on how they both feel about that. Ashoka, who knew Vader when he was still Anakin and at his best, would probably have a more solemn view and miss her friend/kinda father kinda brother figure. Whereas Starkiller, who only knew the rage and coldness of Vader, is conflicted and suspicious about Vader’s redemption and feels upset that everyone just seems so willing to forget what all the awful shit Anakin did while he was Vader (imagine Kendal Roy from Succession s4. This is also a very similar dynamic to how Luke and Leia each feel about their father…so yeh more parallels lol). The two’s very different understanding of the same man would challenge the others, and ultimately force the other to come to terms with any feelings they still had on him that they hadn’t sorted through yet.
Star Wars has always been tightly woven around themes of parallels, and the relationship between parents and their children, and how they echo each other anyways. “It’s like poetry so that they rhyme. Every stanza kinda rhymes with the last one.”-George Lucas
Another GREAT video buddy 🔥💪
5:03 slight feedback.
Sam Witwer
not Sam Witworth
Ah yea just blundered the audio, apologies!
Agree
Well said friend
I wish they made Juno canon. I think Andor would've been a good opportunity to introduce her
i would love to see a series of starkiller
I have been trying to get in touch with Gareth Edwards, Dave Filoni or Jon Favreau. My idea would be two Starkiller films. The 1st one would be a year after BBY so following the events of new hope. Starkiller has been in hiding ever since the force unleashed and tried to put everything behind him and spend his life with Juno. So at this point Starkiller is about 23-24 now that would make Luke about 21-22. Now Vader and Sidious are enraged with the destruction of the death star and Sidious makes it known that he is not pleased with Vader. As they both sense a very powerful force sensitive in the galaxy. Orders from Sidious are to have Vader tear the galaxy apart and find the one solely responsible that lead the rebel alliance to steal the plans of the death star and destroy it... Starkiller.
As Starkiller takes refuge on Haruun Kal an empire fleet lands on the planet to wresk havoc in attempts to locate Starkiller and any other remaining Jedi. The whereabouts of Kelleran Beq and Grogu have been discovered. As the empire begins to attack the korunnai people. Starkiller has a moment of ptsd and hesitates to engage in the fight. But once he sees the korunnai people along with Beq and Grogu are in real danger. Starkiller emerges and fights the empire retreat and word gets back to Vader that they have locate Starkiller.
I also have incorporated in the story that I have been working on that Mace Windu makes his return and Obi-Wan's force ghost tells him that he needs to train Starkiller in Vapaad. As well as the death of Juno that will push Starkiller's true balance of the force to the brink. Vader captures Grogu and will freeze the youngling in cabornite and look to create more clones. We will see Vader who is fully enraged use his red lightning technique. Ahoska will also join the fight along with a fan favorite Quinlan Vos.
Then in the 2nd film following the events of Empire Strikes Back Starkiller looks to take the fight to Vader and Sidious. While Windu is training Starkiller along with Luke who only has one hand at this point. Starkiller and Luke engage each other in a duel ignited by jealousy and envy Luke was able to defeat Starkiller with one hand thus demonstrating how powerful Luke really is leading up to the final showdown with his father in Return of the jedi. Mace Windu and Vader will also finally meet in a duel to the death as Vader comes out victorious. Then in a last stand moment Starkiller will finally reach his full potential as he takes on both Vader and Sidious in a Jedi vs two sith lords duel for the ages. Starkiller manages to take one of Sidious's legs which is why in Return he is moving rather slowly. As Starkiller attempts to give Sidious the final blow Vader then catches Starkiller's lightsaber and strikes Starkiller down.
These are just some of the major plot points but yeah that would be my idea.
so he's essentially like a good foil for Rey
I wanna watch starkiller just rise like a phenix sorta like maul. Then no armor just a saber n cut through all hardcore bad guys n good guys then Ashoka gets destroyed but before her death she turns him good
To be honest Disney burned what trust they had with Star Wars long ago, for me it’s better starkiller remain a legend and die a hero to remember than to be ruined by a soulless corporation with no point or purpose
Need to REALLY tone him down but yeah it would be a good reintroduction to Star Wars cannon
The character is a Gary Stu that doesn't fit with the current canon. I'd rather see characters like Cal Kestis (who's already canon) who's progress, abilities and story feels natural make the jump to live action
You might have called it👀
Nah I wanna see him use his power in a show/movie or something. They could make like a John wick but StarKiller and just mobs 😂 but I know that is a distant dream 😣
The moment they introduced Star Killer back into the canon I guarantee you the fan base (especially the loud ones) will immediately start screaming how Disney either nerfed him or or changed his lore and character. Then they’ll go after Sam and start bullying him.
As much as a hate Disney. I really hate the fanbase more for just acting like a bunch of elitist brats.
Not.only.should.they.add.starkiller.himself.in.live.action.they.should.
Also.add.his.evil.clone.from.force.unleashed2.having.starkiller.and.
His.evil.clone.battle.each.other.in.
A.ultimate.duel.for.the.galaxy.😮
I believe starkiller is too broken to bring to live action.
Disney canon is beyond repair. At this point we can’t do anything but wait until there will be reasonable leadership at Disney or until pre 2015 Star Wars is public domain.
Why does everybody confuse Legends with Cannon. Starkiller is Cannon not Legends. But nobody's put them in the movie because all the movies to come out after the prequels are all legends not Cannon and they will never be cannon
starkiller tfu 1 used to be canon but its not anymore
Vader was lucky he wasn’t canon
Christian Bale to play Starkiller
i don’t think its a good idea to bring him into canon, his story does not fit in the canon anymore
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Disney world absolutely ruin starkiller hate to say it but i truly believe it
The character literally and solely exists as a power fantasy. He works in the game but not in the larger scope of things. You're not going to fix the issue of Rey being a Mary Sue by replacing her with a Gary Stu.
Disney is broken shit company they cant bring this one screen in a epic way
I think that Disney would make something good with Starkiller if it werent for the fact that they want to make the force female, Kathleen Kennedy and Dave Feloni only want to focus on female based characters, he could be a villain or do a cameo but he wont be a central character with them incharge.
Look I dislike what Ms. Kennedy has done to the franchise just as much as the next person but I don’t think they’ve tried to “make the force female.” - they’ve just dropped the ball overall with the force users in this galaxy and we do need a different person at the helm moving forward. Has nothing to do with “the force being female” and everything to do with simple incompetency
Disney's Jedi problem is, Disney. They are less invested in entertaining the audience, and more about checking off political boxes.
ahsoka is wack👎 bring bacc star killer
It's can't, because this character is garbage
nobody agrees with you
@@kplayzxp2376 George Lucas agrees with me because he hates the character
@@AngryEwok George didn't like how over the top some of the powers/scenes were. He literally approved the script for the game.
@@MandatoryFruit he didn't approved any scripts. He didn't care at all until some point of pre-production, writers reached out to him to ask about some his ideas for the story, most of them never were used.
George didn't liked the game so much that every time when other employees talked about the game with him he asked to never mention it again.