People have a bad habit of letting the outcome dictate whether or not a call was the right call or not. If they recovered the kick nobody would have a problem with the call.
@@chalachin4452 that’s not the point of their argument. The point is there is no nuance in their assessment of Dan Campbell. It’s all extremes with people’s discussion of him. If it works he’s has the biggest you know what in the league and if it doesn’t he’s an imbecile. There is no middle ground
@@MrMgkman13 Playing outside of the box is how the Lions have turned around their team. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. If they had a traditional conservative play style they’d be 8-6 at best right now.
Bills full field drives starting at the 30 or lower: 1 punt = 12.5% onside kicks in the NFL successfully converted: 7% Jake Bates career onside attempts now: 0/2 = 0% so how exactly was that a smart decision? and if it was so smart, why didn't he start sooner? why didn't he do it the drive after? why did he literally say after the game that he wishes he didn't do it? the fact so many people are tripping over themselves to defend a decision like that is mind boggling
@@creativereality4212 except that's literally and factually wrong, because if they kicked off and made the Bills drive the whole field, then in that game alone they had a 12.5% stop rate and overall for the season the Bills punt rate is far higher than that so this whole "there was 0% chance of stopping Josh Allen" thing is nothing but soft wiener excuses, and if it was so hopeless to even try stopping him then why not just forfeit and save your guys from injury lol you can't coach like that, there was no logic or analytics or game strategy behind it, was nothing but a random fear based decision
I love Dan Campbell. I'll take the 4th downs and the Onsides and the fake punts. Without that, they probably are a ho hum play it safe 9-5 or 10-4 team battling with GB to catch up to Minnesota. He is who he is. And I'm for it. It will work. Maybe not everytime, but he owns it, and they move on. I promise you he will take every shot before any player on that team does. He's like the ultimate guardian of those players. Love him.
@dougr188 And Dallas is a 10-4 team with some bad breaks or KC is a 5-9 team. Generally speaking the breaks are what a team makes happen. As a Cowboys fan, thats to my shegrin.
Lions are weak, they can’t beat a team straight up. It’s sad and they will not make it past the playoffs once again. Dan and his ego of doing something stupid will come to light just like last season
@@ZWilson2000 well bills of course, they couldn’t beat the packers straight up last week. After 14 weeks lions def don’t have a lock at being in the Super Bowl, the packers and Vikings could easily beat them in the playoffs. eagles could as well.
Almost everyone in the media is defending Dan Campbell for his reckless decision. Entering week 15 onside kick success rate was 7% or 3 of 41. I understand he likes to play aggressive and gamble, but this is not a going for it on fourth down which has a much higher success rate, this is reckless. There’s 12 mins left in the game. The game is long from over.
Oh please, GB was many people’s favorite coming into the season. The Vikings were bet to win 5-6 games. GB if anything isn’t living up to expectations.
They’ve already won more games than last season and are a lock for the playoffs? I’d say they haven’t even hit their ceiling or played their truly best ball yet but they’re right where a lot of people expected them to be
Is dan campbell still the right coach in detroit?? Come on man im a packer fan and i know damn well dan campbell has turned detroit around. Dan campbell is the best coach in the nfl currently hes better than andy reid.
seen so many people say the Bills couldn't be stopped no matter what so why not onside kick.... well why not just forfeit then if it was so hopeless lol and if that's the case then why didn't he start onside kicking sooner? why didn't he do it the drive after? onside kicks fail at a 93% rate (7% success) and in the Bills 8 full field drives (starting at the 30 or lower) they punted once (12.5%), therefore even in the context of that game alone it was still almost literally TWICE THE ODDS TO PLAY FOR A STOP! and Campbell's explanation after just being "ah man, i just thought we'd get it man" proves there's no logic or game plan strategy behind it, was nothing more than a random decision made based on nothing but fear and a lack of trust in his own team.... that's not being "aggressive", that's just bad coaching
I honestly don’t think the lions are that good. I mean if you have to be the only team in the NFl that has to go for it in so many fourth downs, I believe since 2021 they posted the lions have gone for it 140 times and had something like 15 fake punts, are you really that good? Why can’t you beat a team straight up, no fourth downs, no fake punts, no early onside kick, straight up smash mouth football. The team is pathetic to be honest.
Can we stop calling stupid decisions "gutsy". Campbell makes dumb decisions every game and it is impactful against playoff caliber teams that aren't teams like the Jags or Titans. He let GB back in the game last week going for it on 4th on their own 20, he coached them out of the SB in the 49ers game, and this decision was stupid and indefensible.
It’s funny Tom Brady made it too 10 Super Bowls, he isn’t need 140 fourth down attempts or fake punts to do it, championship teams don’t need to do that kind of stuff if they are that good. Just shows the lions are pretty weak
lol… Rob Parker is a joke… If the lions went undefeated and won the superbowl Rob would say it was because the other teams lost and not cause the lions won. Any credibility you had was lost with just mentioning Rob Parker. 😂
needs to learn the difference between being aggressive and being stupid you can still go for 4th downs and take a lot of risks without also doing the stupidest things possible
yeah except it fails 93% of the time so it's just a really stupid thing to bank on at that point of the game but that one play 5 yard TD drive he gift wrapped them definitely let the defense rest so mission accomplished i guess haha congratulations to him on that
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He's still the best coach, of course, but is it even true?
Saw Matt Hasselbeck interviewed on The Intangibles podcast and he was awesome, inspiring and informative. Absolutely loved it.
Him, Sanchez, Edelman - I make time to listen to them. 👍
Schrealth or whatever his name is is a boss as well as Charles Davis😊
Schlereth is better than Edelman. Edelman gets stale quick
@ what happened to Dilfer ? - he was great as a guest
Of course he’s still the right coach.. wtf kind of question even is that
"We got some good junk" 💀💀best underrated quote right there!
People have a bad habit of letting the outcome dictate whether or not a call was the right call or not. If they recovered the kick nobody would have a problem with the call.
What are % teams recover onside kick and secondly did you need that risk with 12 min left and only down 10?
@@chalachin4452 that’s not the point of their argument. The point is there is no nuance in their assessment of Dan Campbell. It’s all extremes with people’s discussion of him. If it works he’s has the biggest you know what in the league and if it doesn’t he’s an imbecile. There is no middle ground
You are correct. Outcome does not dictate whether it is a good call or not. It would still have been dome if they got it.
Colin has TDS
@@MrMgkman13 Playing outside of the box is how the Lions have turned around their team. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. If they had a traditional conservative play style they’d be 8-6 at best right now.
Trust the defense when Allen has been eating them up?!
Exactly. Chances of stopping Josh Allen: 0%. Chances of getting an onside kick back: 7%. 7% is better than 0%.
Why didn't he do it then at the 8-minute mark? I think he realized how he f'ed up with the one he tried with 12 minutes left
I think Lion fans would even say that Dan Campbell didn’t want to throw the defense under the bus
Bills full field drives starting at the 30 or lower: 1 punt = 12.5%
onside kicks in the NFL successfully converted: 7%
Jake Bates career onside attempts now: 0/2 = 0%
so how exactly was that a smart decision? and if it was so smart, why didn't he start sooner? why didn't he do it the drive after? why did he literally say after the game that he wishes he didn't do it?
the fact so many people are tripping over themselves to defend a decision like that is mind boggling
@@creativereality4212 except that's literally and factually wrong, because if they kicked off and made the Bills drive the whole field, then in that game alone they had a 12.5% stop rate and overall for the season the Bills punt rate is far higher than that
so this whole "there was 0% chance of stopping Josh Allen" thing is nothing but soft wiener excuses, and if it was so hopeless to even try stopping him then why not just forfeit and save your guys from injury lol you can't coach like that, there was no logic or analytics or game strategy behind it, was nothing but a random fear based decision
I love Dan Campbell. I'll take the 4th downs and the Onsides and the fake punts. Without that, they probably are a ho hum play it safe 9-5 or 10-4 team battling with GB to catch up to Minnesota. He is who he is. And I'm for it. It will work. Maybe not everytime, but he owns it, and they move on.
I promise you he will take every shot before any player on that team does. He's like the ultimate guardian of those players. Love him.
This is a 9-5 or 10-4 team they have just caught some breaks. This is a carbon copy of last years Vikings team.
@dougr188 And Dallas is a 10-4 team with some bad breaks or KC is a 5-9 team. Generally speaking the breaks are what a team makes happen. As a Cowboys fan, thats to my shegrin.
Lions are weak, they can’t beat a team straight up. It’s sad and they will not make it past the playoffs once again. Dan and his ego of doing something stupid will come to light just like last season
@@waynesonneman7343 who is "stronger" if they're weak?
@@ZWilson2000 well bills of course, they couldn’t beat the packers straight up last week. After 14 weeks lions def don’t have a lock at being in the Super Bowl, the packers and Vikings could easily beat them in the playoffs. eagles could as well.
Almost everyone in the media is defending Dan Campbell for his reckless decision. Entering week 15 onside kick success rate was 7% or 3 of 41. I understand he likes to play aggressive and gamble, but this is not a going for it on fourth down which has a much higher success rate, this is reckless. There’s 12 mins left in the game. The game is long from over.
couldnt stop the bills and needed 2 scores…
@ the drive previous Detroit defense stopped buffalo to fg. They were slowing buffalo. Campbell panicked and resorted to hail mary too early.
Oh please, GB was many people’s favorite coming into the season. The Vikings were bet to win 5-6 games. GB if anything isn’t living up to expectations.
They’ve already won more games than last season and are a lock for the playoffs? I’d say they haven’t even hit their ceiling or played their truly best ball yet but they’re right where a lot of people expected them to be
Is dan campbell still the right coach in detroit?? Come on man im a packer fan and i know damn well dan campbell has turned detroit around. Dan campbell is the best coach in the nfl currently hes better than andy reid.
Hasselback is great. I used to go crazy with him on Madden when he was with the Seahawks 😂
Same lmao he was a beast in madden 07
seen so many people say the Bills couldn't be stopped no matter what so why not onside kick.... well why not just forfeit then if it was so hopeless lol and if that's the case then why didn't he start onside kicking sooner? why didn't he do it the drive after? onside kicks fail at a 93% rate (7% success) and in the Bills 8 full field drives (starting at the 30 or lower) they punted once (12.5%), therefore even in the context of that game alone it was still almost literally TWICE THE ODDS TO PLAY FOR A STOP!
and Campbell's explanation after just being "ah man, i just thought we'd get it man" proves there's no logic or game plan strategy behind it, was nothing more than a random decision made based on nothing but fear and a lack of trust in his own team.... that's not being "aggressive", that's just bad coaching
I honestly don’t think the lions are that good. I mean if you have to be the only team in the NFl that has to go for it in so many fourth downs, I believe since 2021 they posted the lions have gone for it 140 times and had something like 15 fake punts, are you really that good? Why can’t you beat a team straight up, no fourth downs, no fake punts, no early onside kick, straight up smash mouth football. The team is pathetic to be honest.
Can we stop calling stupid decisions "gutsy". Campbell makes dumb decisions every game and it is impactful against playoff caliber teams that aren't teams like the Jags or Titans. He let GB back in the game last week going for it on 4th on their own 20, he coached them out of the SB in the 49ers game, and this decision was stupid and indefensible.
exactly! i don't know why people act as if balls and brains can't co-exist simultaneously
It’s funny Tom Brady made it too 10 Super Bowls, he isn’t need 140 fourth down attempts or fake punts to do it, championship teams don’t need to do that kind of stuff if they are that good. Just shows the lions are pretty weak
Campbell is going to cost the lions, to call an onside kick with 12 minutes in the game was foolish.
Matt!
Rob Parker called this about Campbell MONTHS ago and people said he was “hating”..
lol… Rob Parker is a joke… If the lions went undefeated and won the superbowl Rob would say it was because the other teams lost and not cause the lions won. Any credibility you had was lost with just mentioning Rob Parker. 😂
@ but he’s not wrong so far about Dan “Gamble”..
Dan Campbell thinks, and reacts, like a fan, not a coach.
Which is great, until kit isn't
needs to learn the difference between being aggressive and being stupid
you can still go for 4th downs and take a lot of risks without also doing the stupidest things possible
Everyone knows that PIT and MIN are fraudulent. They can cheese their way to an impressive record, but neither is a real contender
So is DET
I automatically assumed he was trying to change the possession order to catch up, AND hoping to give the helpless D a rest.
yeah except it fails 93% of the time so it's just a really stupid thing to bank on at that point of the game
but that one play 5 yard TD drive he gift wrapped them definitely let the defense rest so mission accomplished i guess haha congratulations to him on that
The call was stupid. All of Campbell's calls like that are. Tough and aggressive is good, smart is better.
The game was out of hand and we needed a shot and campell gave em a trick play, oh if it was successful
Colin is such a corporate brown nose dude, i really think this guy should write a book about that, and leave sports commentary
The onside kick was dumb plain and simple there's too much time left come on Daniel
You have to announce a onside kick to opponent in todays dancing football
Cam Newton just forgotten despite mvp and superbowl appearance when it comes to Josh Allen
Trust the defense. The defense is practically a whole different team since the start of the year due to injury
If 1 play doesn't work doesn't change how great they are, imagine if this worked, the media would be calling him coach of the year
Imagine whatever you want. It ain’t reality.
Trust the defence they could t stop them all day