Everybody Forgets This About Spider-Man's Black Costume
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2019
- Welcome to Casually Comics today we're looking at Spider-Man and his now famous black costume, the alien costume or symbiote costume. This look is now an iconic one for the wallcrawler but it has an intriguing history beyond gracing the world with Venom. Find out all about it here on Casually Comics.
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I love the deadpool back in black issues. I recently picked up 2 issues. Idk how many there are but have been keeping my eye out for more at my local shop.
Back in that era (pre Deadpool, pre Venom), Marvel did a huge poll and their 3 most popular heroes were:
1) Wolverine
2) Spider Man
3) Rogue
Rogue never gets enough credit.
To me, the suit turing into Venom is just another part of the good ol' Parker Luck. It's like, not even this new suit, that gives him enhanced powers is on his side. He can't even get his clothes to help him. That's just bad
dont worry Nobody was not reading Secret wars.
The thing people also forget is that it never made Spider-Man angry or violent and that wasn't why he got rid of it, he got rid of it because it was exhausting him physically and draining his life force. The whole "the symbiote makes him EVIL" thing was from the 1994 animated series and it got so popular that it made its way into the comics via retcons.
But he was stronger and more aggressive. He attacked daredevil, kraven’s last hunt he was going to end kraven after he escaped the grave. Actually the symbiote did alot more than that
@Jerome Maxwell Sure, but there was never any part of the Black Suit storyline where someone like Reed Richards looked at the reader and said "The suit is making you ANGRY, OMG"! The concern was more about how the suit was alive and how it was draining Peter of all his energy, there was no "OMG, it's going to make him ANGRY" until the stupid precedent set on the animated series which was annoyingly retconned into the comics and overused (obviously I'm one of the people who hated that tacked-on plot-twist).
@@seanmanscottSpectacular Spider-Man really nailed that element though, solidifying the idea so that it's not just making him more aggressive, but subtly altering his personality until his only priority IS the symbiote, makes a ton of sense for an alien parasite, the purpose of the aggression being to strain and break Peter's ties to other people until his only companion left is the suit.
@@mrrome76actually in those stories the black suit was just a regular suit and not the alien.....
Love how casually it's noted that the '80s were a different era - when Marvel "tried to keep fans happy"
Yeah now it's totally different...more like "piss off" now
You mean when they weren't owned by Disney?
I think marvel is doing better as a company with disney at the moment but that may change
@@spooder470 I take it you haven't seen their latest titles - good for you.
@@psychedashell in the mcu or comic industry?
I LOVED this costume...all my comic swapping friends loved it...granted I was 10 years old at the time...but still it was freaking awesome!
Me too! I loved the costume and I was glad he didn't need the web shooters in this costume.
Ya everyone loved and loves this suit it’s ranked the second best
We talking you guys grew up with this storyline? Damn, I grew up as a kid right in the middle of the civil war stuff. Back in black, one more day etc...
I loved it too! Still do!
According to this video, we hated it. *rolling eyes*
I was in school collecting when this happened. I never knew there was a backlash. There was no social media. I missed any criticism about the suit at the time. I thought the costume was dope. It made it's on webs and looked good.
Because there wasn't. It was hugely popular. I was a teen in middle school at the time. Readers loved it.
I'm still a big fan of the symbiote suit on Peter, just not the story that wound up going with it.
Growing up my dad always told me how he used to collect comics all the time. I grew up with the 90's spider-man, and when venom was introduced he told me how he was introduced in the original comic. He loved the black suit and venom was one of his favorite characters.
Oh there was some back lash. I was one of them...but she is right, we started to all like it.
We all do
The post-symbiote costume era was when I started reading Spider-Man regularly as a kid. In fact, the black costume intrigued me and I started buying the comics to learn more.
I loved the brief period of time when Peter would alternatively wear the red and blues and the black -- it made the idea of Spider-Man actually changing clothes a reality (and thus made him feel more realistic).
"Fans hated it." (Nobody asked me back when it came out but I loved it!)
"People don't give the first family enough credit" - I think there are 4 less than fantastic movies that are responsible for that nowadays lol.
God, this comment is so genius!!
For real, I used to hate the Fantastic Four because of the movies
4?
Jan M you can’t forget the one that they made in like the early 90s that was so bad they didn’t even bother officially releasing it.
@@ghouldishanimal I actually didn't know about that one. Probably for the best. 😄
This was my favourite version of the Spidey suit, for these reasons... 1) It had it's own organic web-fluid and 2) he could change his costume at will, and disguise himself as anyone who he had contact with. Those were awesome skills for the suit to have.
I really have no clue what to say other than I've always loved the costume. I knew the history surrounding it but I'm surprised you didn't mention the second spider woman. I think she had some connection but it may cause some confusion
The in-story reason for the look of the costume was that Spider-Man saw her costume on Battleworld in Secret Wars. He used a costume machine to "make" a costume that looked like hers. I think the new costume showed up first in his book though but chronologically, it was after.
@@JoeJoe-lq6bd the way it's described is that he thinks he sits down at the costume generator, but it wasn't. The symbiote generates a riff on the pattern Spider-Woman II wore, that Pete thinks is just the machine taking subconscious cues from him to form. When he shows the new costume to Reed, Reed says something about something being wrong with it and that he wants to analyze it when they get back to Earth. Meanwhile, Pete is goofing off with it, saying, "Look! Summer swim wear!" while changing its look.
The first appearance is in the original Secret Wars run, but after Reed separates the symbiote, he starts wearing a normal black costume with the same patterning, until Venom appears and threatens MJ. Then, he switches back to the classic costume.
@@Majin72 The suit first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man 252. Each character's ongoing monthly had Secret Wars happen between two issues. The origin of the costume in Secret Wars was published after its appearance in Secret Wars.
being I was 10-12 when this happened, it was pretty typical reaction in retrospect, kids like me loved it because it was new and different from all the bright colors/ flair on other costumes. Older fans hated it, but I loved it, simple but still Spider-man. Also, the shifting ability was fresh too. Making it a sentient creature wasn't that much of a shock to readers at that time given what we seen, then later naming the puppy Venom. peter david needs more credit in "creating" Venom, given Web of Spider-man #1
Agreed. This is the very first time I've ever heard anyone say they didn't like the black costume. Then and now.
So does Todd McFarlane. He was the other guy that was involved in creating the Venom character. Whom also was my favorite artist to draw Venom and the black costume. In any case Todd McFarlane had a way in hand drawing Spider-man comics that seemed to put other comic artists to shame. And that was a big thing for a comic artist to draw characters to look that realistic in pre 2000 era of Comics.
I was 14 at the time, and me & all my friends were absolutely loving the new suit. The haters were older fans. Have to say I was pretty bummed when it turned out to be an alien parasite.
I was actually like "niceeee"
I’m definitely enjoying this new channel, it lets me expand my comic book and general geeky knowledge without having to dive into the monolith that is comics today and past.
I think Storm’s Mohawk/punk look definitely shocked fans back in the day. That might be worth exploring in a future episode.
I'm fan of all stories involving Venom, so while I believe the writers' decision was too hasty, it worked out in the end.
Never knew all this about the black costume until I watched this video. Because of the knowledge that you have bestowed you Sasha are a fanboy stud
FANBOY STUD!
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I was a kid when this happened, I was reading comics, and every single comic book fan my age LOOOOOOOVED the black costume. If there were any "dissenting" voices, it was from the older 60's Stan Lee crowd that didn't like the change. That's it. Anything else is historical revisionism.
You said it, you were a kid. You can't go on saying "um there was NO backlash because me and my school friends loved it!!".
I remember this being talked about, at length, in the comics store I used to frequent and everybody loved it but some of the old grognards. "Don't fix what ain't broke" seemed to be their opinion.
Me personally, I liked it. I thought it fit some of the darker toned stories that were coming out. Stories like Fearful Symmetry and the Death of Jean DeWolf/ Sin-Eater story..
When the symbiote was first introduced, it would cover the exterior of the body. Spider-Man "wore" it. It wasn't really part of him. It didn't bond yet. I liked when it was just the black suit. That was my favorite Spider-Man. That was my introduction to Spidey in the eighties, the black suit Secret Wars action figure. My first Spidey memories are the comic panels on the back of that box. I had both versions of Spidey from that toy line.
When Venom was introduced, it was the same deal with the symbiote, a living black suit, just with teeth. The host's head remained underneath the suit, behind the teeth. Over the next few years, that would change. Venom and Carnage would be depicted as fully bonded to their symbiotes, transforming with the suit as part of it, not separate from it. Their physical bodies went through the metamorphosis as well. The host's head no longer underneath the suit, behind it's teeth, but now, rather changing the host's own teeth. It was more of a physical metamorphosis rather than the suit just covering the host's body. I didn't like it at first, but I learned to. I understand things evolve. It's kind of cool.
I was 14 when it came out, and I loved it.
I thought it was such a bold move. And the "tech" behind it (nanobots were speculated) was an idea that could have been such a huge thing for Peter.
But, the symbiote was the story they went with. I liked the initial idea, but the Venom character took forever (and some good writers) to make the character gel for me.
(Extra points for the Scanners clip. Bravo, Sasha. Bravo.)
I was huge fan of the symbiote and Venom when I was younger, but the older I got, the more I began to despise the Eddie Brock version for his complete lack of depth. I still understand him being created as the complete opposite of Peter and that the shallow superficiality of the character was an intentional part, but still feel like they could have given him actual depth. Flash Thompson as Agent Venom is where the character finally hit home for me, but then they had to reset the status quo and give the symbiote back to Eddie and make it where Flash could never have it again by making him become Agent Anti-Venom.
I find it interesting that my favorite part of all comics across all companies was once hated by fans. The silver lining is without that backlash it wouldn't have been what it is today.
Edit - the biggest thing forgot about all this is there was once a time where Marvel responded to fan backlash by trying to understand it and give the people what they want instead of... you know... spitting on them and wondering why they stopped paying.
It wasn't. Fans actually loved it. A small number of people will always dislike any choice, but I don't get where the stories of fans hating the costume comes from. Right from the first appearance, there were hints that the costume might be ominous.
People loved it. This whole video makes me think this channel isn't very reliable. I was a teen and read everything about comics at the time
@@JoeJoe-lq6bd I mean.. I know SOME older fans didn't like it. But it definitely wasn't massively hated or anything.
Now Marvel's response to criticism and dislike is "You're "insert prejudice here" if you don't like our comics."
Black Cat: I love black suits...
Me: imma be right back.
Also me: frantically searches for black suit in crowded wardrobe.
I’m not a massive comic reader but I love these whimsical deep dives into comic history.
Playing Spider-Man on PS4 my fav costume was the punk one ... mostly because I found wearing it during cutscenes amusing.
If you see Venom's first appearance he did look quite disturbing with the braud eyes and a regular smile or grin but adding sharp teeth and long tongue made him look better
The Symbiote costume will always be the best one
Love the channel. Sasha u r awesome. Love your passion for comics and your insight.
Great vid thanks for the interesting information about the black suited spiderman
Sasha throwing tantrum at work: "HELL NO!! I am NOT doing top 10 superheroes with boob windows!!! And why are you coming to me with that? Let Johnny Rogers do that crap. Plus, I cant throw salt at Hal Jordan with list!"
😂😂😂😂
There probably are ten superheroes with boob windows, but we all know who would be number one.
@@RLucas3000 The Blob?
You could do an entire series on Black Costumes: Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron Man, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Nightwing. Not to mention other costume changes that actually went right.
Favorite comic story arc for me. I started collecting Amazing Spider-Man just before the black costume was introduced when I was 11 or so. The reveal in Secret Wars was so cool. The next few years watching as Peter learns that the costume was an alien symbiote that was affecting his mind and wanted to bond with him permanently was another very cool reveal. And the snippets of the mysterious character who could get past Peter's spider-sense and the eventual introduction of Venom was the best time in comics for me. Spider-Man had an awesome new villain that he was partly responsible for creating and the change back to the old costume to alleviate Mary Jane's fears was just gripping storytelling.
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Ah brings back some memories.
The panel with the symbiote leaning over a sleeping Peter Parker is etched on my tiny brain.
I love the symbiote costume. Still to this day my favorite of his suits and I wish he had kept it. I mean considering these days where Venom isn't so much a villain as he is an anti-hero and the symbiote genuinely wants to do good.
love your channel!
And now I want to see Sasha in a black costume or at least a green screen costume where we can FX a Sasha-Venom over it.
you describe it awesomely!
I love this new channel!
The first time I saw the new costume I thought to myself "finally he is getting rid of the smelly blue and red." At the time Peter was doing the superman thing and wearing the costume under his street clothes and he was constantly mending that one outfit.
I never knew about this, all I knew that it was from the Secret Wars, but not all the in between.
Thank you, for sharing this, now I wanna read everything that brought about the suit and it's rebirth as Venom.
When people give themselves nicknames it never really sticks, but maybe Casually Comics fans aka Fanboy Studs, heh.
If this ever gets to be a shirt, I was thinking Fantastic Four Font for the phrase.
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This makes sense. It's such a drastic departure from his original look.
As someone who read the original issues when he originally had the symbiote, the only thing it did was make Peter swing around at night while he was asleep to (possibly) feed off his energy. It was when he had a dream that the red/blue and black suits were pulling at him in a tug 'o war and seeing the suit move when he woke up, made him take Reed Richards up on his offer to have it examined. It was the 90s Spider-Man show that introduced the suit making Peter darker and hostile, which was followed by Spider-Man 3. I've never been a fan of change, but I really loved this suit, and you could tell Peter liked it. As far as Mr. McFarlane is concerned, I'll just say I'm glad he's not drawing for Spidey anymore.
I liked this costume back as a kid because it was easier for me to draw.
Thank you for this video.
A character aesthetic change I hated but grew to love was the Supermullet
Also, cool video, really enjoyed it.
Still have my issue #252! I remember being a kid at my local comic book shop and the store owner saying, "You need to get this one! It'll be collectible some day." Don't think it's worth that much, but it's still cool to have.
That issue had always been a sore point with me.I'd been buying my Spider-Man comics off the racks at the local drug-stores, etc. This one sold out immediately, bought up by speculators. I had no idea that was a thing that happened, and bought a subscription right away to avoid this in the future. I was never able to afford a copy at the time, leaving a hole in my collection.
Probably a first for comic speculation
I saw the black & red one in the Spiderpool comics. I loved it cause Deadpool was so impressed... he was scared & turned on at the same time.
I remember when I 1st saw it, I thought it looked too much like the Human Fly Brothers (Spidey villains from the 60s cartoon.) but it eventually grew on me.
The Secret Wars series began in January 1984 and ended in December of that year. You are right in saying that the new costume debuted before the end of the Secret Wars series. The new costumed showed up in Secret Wars #8.
The Spider-Man 3 Black costume is actually one of my favorite variations. I like the web pattern incorporated into the black suit.
I was a preteen when the black suit was introduced and I didn’t recall that its introduction preceded Secret Wars origin story by a full year.
I LOVED it!
Storm's Punk look was hated from inception but eventually became iconic (though still hated by many) I absolutely LOVED it. Punk Storm is favourite Iteration.
I had seen Spider-Man in his traditional costume in the cartoons at the time (Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends), but my first introduction to him in the comics was of him wearing this costume and dating Black Cat. I must have been around 4 or 5-years old. But because it was my introduction to him in print, it was strange for me to later see him in his red and blue outfit, as well as discovering he and Black Cat had broken up. 7-year-old me was a little traumatized but recovered.
I was skeptical about the white spider in Insomniac's game but I grew to love that suit.
I own 2 copies of ASM 252 and Secret Wars 8 . I love opening them and seeing those old adds its my time machine.
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Back then I had a pull list that included Spidey and so I lived through all this. You nailed it! That is exactly how I remember it all going down. We all freaked out with NO! NO! NO! Then 4 years later we were like, "But I like the black costume..." ;)
Great video
I was a kid when it came out and bought the issue off the stand and have no recollection of anyone being anything but stoked about the coatume.
I had ASM #252 as a kid. Can't remember if it was given to me or one of the 1st comics I bought myself. I also had the Secret Wars figures of Spidey in both the classic and black & white costume.
I was reading the comic when he got it. I loved it. Probably my most memorable story line i read as a kid.
I was not expecting that “mind blowing” clip from Scanners to be included in this video. I was shook. 🤣🤣🤣
I loved the black costume back in the day. It looked really cool & had an interesting story to it.
After listening to this nice bit of history, you have to wonder if Spidey would've continued to be as iconic and as popular had they never gotten rid of the black suit. Personally, it's one of my favorites, and I love it much more than I do the original in pretty much every respect. But it's interesting to think of how it might've altered future Spider-Man stories or the how he would be altered in adaptations or film.
Where I lived everyone went crazy for it. The book sold out the same day which was rare back then.
I was 12 in 1984 when Secret Wars came out. I still have my original 12-issues. I also still have my ASM #252 from when I was 13. I don’t remember any fan outage. Me and all my friends in middle school loved the new costume.
Symbiote aside I liked Spider-Man in black. It makes him look more spider-like. Though for a backstory I would have preferred something closer to the anti-symbiote costume in the Spider-Man Unlimited cartoon.
If done well, even more outlandish retcons have the potential to stick. I was liking Dick Grayson as Batman, eventually accepted Colossus' sacrifice to cure the Legacy Virus, even though both would eventually get reversed.
Though, other retcons are done so poorly, or were so terrible down to their foundation, they're rightfully loathed. Some of them may have lasting effects, unfortunately, but stupid is still stupid, be it 4 years or 13 years later.
I have actually had comics fans flat-out _deny the existence_ of this version of the Black Suit Saga to my face, claiming that Venom's _"ORIGINAL origin!"_ involved J. Jonah Jameson's son and a space shuttle and so on. It's so hard not to scream at these people, especially when the cartoon explanation was over in the space of a two-part episode, the movie version was resolved in about 90 minutes and various other "reboots" have been equally rushed... I remember the Black Suit Saga and the birth of Venom as a character unfolding over more than a _year,_ with some deep psychological twists and soul-searching, and it was the best writing my prepubescent mind has seen in literature (with pictures or without) until that point!
I was seven years old in 1984, and the first comic I read regularly was the UK printing of *_Transformers,_* but the _second_ comic I read regularly was *_Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars._* Due to the release schedule over here (and this being about a decade before the earliest internet spoilers), almost nobody over here had seen the black costume before its surprise appearance on the cover of _Secret Wars_ - as far as I was concerned it was the most normal thing in the world for Spidey to be wearing the old red-and-blue, since that's what I'd seen him wearing in the cartoons _(Spider Man And His Amazing Friends_ was on British TV around this time). Then Julia Carpenter turned up in the comic, and I remember clearly that my first thought wasn't, "Oh! Her costume's black now!" but, "Oh! Didn't Spider Woman used to have black hair in the cartoons...? And was her name always Julia...? And, oh yeah - like, different clothes or something..."
Then came the big reveal (which I think was the very next issue, at least in the UK-published run) of Spidey's new costume on the front cover, and I was excited to find out how they were going to explain this! (I'd already figured out some of the genre tropes by this point, and knew they had come up with the costume first and probably cludged a storyline reason around it afterwards.) I was actually pretty satisfied with the whole 'wrong machine' explanation, and thought no more of it. Spidey had a new costume, it solved a couple of the problems I'd spotted with the old one (hiding it under street clothes, and a finite webbing supply) with this new 'organic' gimick and - to an eight year old in 1985 - it looked _coooool!_
But time moved on, _Transformers_ finally reached the end of its run, and the first _Secret Wars_ series wound down and concluded. But at least there was a continuation of the latter in the *_Secret Wars II_* series (in which Marvel UK sort-of mashed up the main, titled US limited series itself with some of the tie-ins from the other US books to string it out to several years' worth of issues), and I managed to get hold of some of the Spider books over here as well - I think back then reprints from all the titles were all smooshed together in one comic-magazine format as well. But barely a couple of months after the end of _Secret Wars_ the first, we got the start of the Black Suit Saga! I still remember vividly that cover art of Peter's nightmare, being pulled apart by those two stretchy and deformed suit-monsters... something about that hooked me on Spidey from that moment forward. I was already pretty precocious at that age, and the representation of the duality of personality and psychological head-games were pretty fascinating ideas when the only other thing to read was _Goosebumps!_ or _Nancy Drew_ books from the school library.
After that I could only get comics sporadically - an imported US issue here or there when you were lucky enough to find one in some corner shop who bought them with no rhyme or reason, so the idea of long-boxes organised by issue or title was just Not A Thing unless you could get to one of what felt like a half-dozen import comic shops in the whole country. But whenever I saw Marvel imports on the newsstand-style shelves (usually hidden behind the British comics, peeking out where someone had slid something else along and covered it up), it would be either the Fantastic Four - sorry, but Reed had that same appeal for me growing up that Spock did in _Star Trek_ - or a Spider Man comic that I looked for first. I was actually pretty bummed that the black costume disappeared pretty quickly (from my personal perspective) and it was back to the red-and-blue, or sometimes red-and-black but the same basic design. That sleek, featureless Black Suit/Venom design was really interesting to my young eyes - and while nowadays I've learned to appreciate the subtleties of wrinkles on clothing and fine detail work in characters' faces, something about the simplicity of the Black Suit design made the body language easier to read and weirdly conveyed emotion to me much better in those days. The suit wasn't just _black,_ as it has been drawn since, but _flat_ black - and I think that forced the artists to work harder at illustrating non-verbal communication and dynamic movement than they had previously.
The point of this ramble is that I never saw a rabid hatred for the Black Suit in the UK, but that might be because we didn't get our comics in the same order as you guys, so we didn't have a year of unexplained costume-change before _Secret Wars._ I remember the reaction ranging from "Cool!" to "Meh." but no real anger or resentment... but I guess that's because we didn't have the time to get worked up about it that the American audience did.
Note: I did actually put paragraph spacing in the above comment, but UA-cam started erasing it a few days ago... sorry if it's a bit hard on the eyes as one long clump of words, but I did _try_ to make it legible! lol
I loved the black costume from the very beginning. There was a series of figures based on Secret Wars and the one I wanted most-and eventually got- was Spider-Man in the black costume.
Great video, Sash ... can I call U Sash?!
I know I'm late to the party but Secret Wars came out in 1984. The chronological appearance (Secret Wars #8) was 7 months after his initial appearance in Amazing Spider-Man #252. The month Secret Wars #8 came out Spider-Man had reverted to his original costume!!! But for awhile Spidey had 2 costumes - the black costume used almost exclusively in Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man book. Then in 1986 then Spider-editor Jim Owsley (now called Chris Priest) decided to make the black costume the ONLY costume. Approximately 20 months later Todd McFarlane made the red/blue suit the only one. Todd McFarlane briefly brought it back just before he left Marvel in 1991.
Imma go back in time to this costume redesign contest and submit my own design.
Holy ****! 4 years? Wow this was a great video.
Way to go Sasha. You fan boy stud!! 👏
I love the red and blue style, but Black Spider-Man Suit is my favorite, I try my best to ignore the negative bonus of the dancing scenes in Spider-Man 3, otherwise, it upgrades Peter to a whole more awesome level of badass! :D
Yeah. I did hate it. Spiderman was always very happy-go-lucky character, despite all of the craziness going on in his life. It also got rid of the webbing in the costume. It was just a bit...much. As far as the Black Cat cloth version, just dumb.
You all need to read ASM #267-The Commuter Cometh-Peter David writer and Bob McLeod artist-it is one of the greatest Spidey comics ever and certainly one of the most fun. In the beginning he is in the black costume and is attacked by the Human Torch because he thinks Peter went back to the alien symbiote (not yet called Venom) but Peter explains that Black Cat made it for him. After he is detained by police because no one believes he is really Spider-Man he ditches the black one and goes back to the original. This entire comic is a hoot!
My personal favorite...so much better than many modern look..especially those from the movies.
I loved it, my uncle had this secret wars arch, we loved it.
The change in color also coincided with the change over in printing techniques, from dot to four color I surmise, which for the first 2 years or so was resulting in massive splotchiness and unevenness in every Marvel book. They were still working out the process by the time I stopped collecting in the Summer of ‘89 as I headed off to college. Worldcolor still had an affective monopoly on comic book printing, so they could drive down ink prices to make more complex color styles viable. The Hulk supposedly went from grey to green over the high price of grey ink in the 60’s.
Amazing Spider-Man 252 and Secret Wars 8 are both in my collection, I loved that costume as a kid. It was the 80's and black everything was suddenly the new style (I remember reading a People magazine article on it at the time). Eventually D.C.'s Trinity all had temporary black costumes, but Spidey was first.
I spent an inordinate amount of time laughing at "you fanboy stud".
I hated the Sonic Boom Redesigns at first but now I love them
I'm one of those people - at the time - who loved the black "spidey suit", way back. I almost wanted to start reading the SECRET WARS series. I went back to the Bat instead, bad as the Bat was at the time. 🕷🕸 Bats like spders, very crunchy. 🦇 Sasha!!! Fanboy extra-ordinairre!!!
Personally, I loved Spider-Man's black outfit. It was a really great upgrade from the classic red & blue costume.
Its said then Marvel EIC Jim Shooter bought the idea from a fan for $225.00. (see Sean Howe's Marvel Comics: The Untold Story).
Have a Facsimile Edition of Amazing Spider-Man #252 and I found it a good enough read.
In Marvel Age Magazine #12, Spidey's new costume was supposed to have a Red spider symbol.
I feel like you didn't actually watch the video but just jumped down here to comment on the title. She literally shows the letter from Jim Shooter where he buys the costume idea for $220, and the original concept art as well.
black suite is my favorite suite which lead to my favorite Marvel Anti Hero. Second favorite suite was always the classic Ben Riley Scarlet spider suite (the redesign is ok). I love the hoodie.
As a kid at the time. Black suit spiderman was my favourite spiderman. Always thought the color black was cool and loved the design of the spider logo in the suit. I was super jealous when a kid in my class had the black suit spiderman action figure. I still think that the suit is cool.
Loved it instantly
That was by far my favorite Spider-Man costume.
It's funny how things work out sometimes. While I didn't grow up in the 1980s, (I started reading comics as a kid in the 2000s) I can understand to a degree how an unexpected change can make the fanbase feel uncomfortable, especially when there's no context for what's going on. However, as long as the fan community can take a step back, acknowledge the difference of opinion, and EXPLAIN why they did or did not like it in a mature way, then I think that shows a good sense of respect.
I just came to finish watching this video after starting it previously and it was disliked... I hate youtube.
I fixed the problem but do not trust it to stay that way.
Anyway great video! Informative and great presentation as always.
i never forgot about the symbiote costume
*wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey*
I like both Spider-Man’s classic Red & Blue and the Symbiote Suit equally.
I remember when the black costume came out. I don't think fans hated it that much. But I was a kid, about 10 or 11. I still have my copy of "Web Of Spider-Man "#1 laying around.
Also - The costume did not change his personality at first. That was a retcon, to be in line with the '90s cartoon.
I have secret wars #8 and father's night out on my wall right now haha. Easily my favorite spiderman costume. I believe they gave him the costume to save on ink cost but I'm not sure how true that is.
They treated Randy Schueller like Bill Finger.
I really liked the Scarlet Spider costume.
I don't know. I remember everyone going Crazy about how cool it was.
The first time I saw the black costume, I thought it was the coolest thing ever.